Among the 3 Dumbest Leftist Quotes

[Capitalist Imperial]

1) [The USA] never landed on the moon, it was a political stunt to properganderize the populus, they couldnt let the soviets win again, the US were technalogically inferior, and needed to fight this truth.

2) Is the reason capitalists hate us because basically, we're sexier than them?

3)America is a very evil country. When is it going to stop exploiting the rest of the world? Stupid imperialists. They are going to end up destrying the planet.

The funny thing is, these are from one page in one forum.

See how easy it is?

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 8:36 pm on Aug. 9, 2002)


(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 8:40 pm on Aug. 9, 2002)


(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 8:43 pm on Aug. 9, 2002)

[Michael De Panama]

CI, I know this is supposed to insult us, but you could have picked ANYTHING said by StalinSoldiers and RedSovietCCCP, and it would have been much stupider. The only stupid quote you got there is the first one. I mean, we ARE a hell of a lot sexier than you. Deal with it.

Come on, add this one to your list, Capitalist pig:

"HEY SOME PAPER CAME TROUGH A MAIL 1 MONTH AGO SAYING TO JOIN THE ARMY I BURNED IT....THEN THIS WEEK ANOTHER PAPER CAME AND SAID IF I DO NOT JOIN OR SIGN UP WITHIN 10 DAYS THEY WOULD PUT ME INTO SOME SUSPECT THINGS WHICH I CAN STAY IN PRISON FOR 5 YEARS OR PAY $250,000 OR BOTH....SO SINCE IM ANTI-AMERICAN I BURNED THE PAPER IF ANYTHING I GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY....WHAT WOULD OF YOU HAVE DONE......THE SITE IS http://www.SSS.GOV I AINT JOINING FOR SHIT IM NOT DYING FOR THE RICH"

[Michael De Panama]

Actually, take your pick:

"i would kill many of the comrades here in the board, well some people yes like malte, and who ever voted to banned me from any post shall die...and i say every capitalist shall be slaughtered,hang shoot executed...in short words abolished from the world....and to the communist they shall be saved "

"some hispanic al-queda got jailed for saving islam from capitalist destruction.....i salute him hes from miami and got caputred for trying to build a dirty-bomb i want other to follow him trying to destory usa....i say they let him free, i say to fuck this country up killing all americans..99% of americans are racist they dont like islam or communism they should all die to stop pollution and make some space for other better people. "

"9/11 a dark day for usa, huh that aint shit to what its going to happen soon, the world had worse when usa spread there terrorist activities trought out the world. like the a-bomb, vietnam, those are some examples what the islamic jihad is trying to do is save the world from oppression and dictatorship. osama is trying to defeat the evil empire u$a and the communist should support him.. "

[new democracy]

lol!!!!!!!!!!!

[James]

Fucks sake CI, its been awhile sinse i ventured into here - and this is what i find!?!?!

I'm really dissapointed... Also have youdone your eply to the article that i posted last week?

[Michael De Panama]

Yes James. The Cappies are just beyond legitimate arguments.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 8:45 pm on Aug. 9, 2002
CI, I know this is supposed to insult us, but you could have picked ANYTHING said by StalinSoldiers and RedSovietCCCP, and it would have been much stupider. The only stupid quote you got there is the first one. I mean, we ARE a hell of a lot sexier than you. Deal with it.

Come on, add this one to your list, Capitalist pig:

"HEY SOME PAPER CAME TROUGH A MAIL 1 MONTH AGO SAYING TO JOIN THE ARMY I BURNED IT....THEN THIS WEEK ANOTHER PAPER CAME AND SAID IF I DO NOT JOIN OR SIGN UP WITHIN 10 DAYS THEY WOULD PUT ME INTO SOME SUSPECT THINGS WHICH I CAN STAY IN PRISON FOR 5 YEARS OR PAY $250,000 OR BOTH....SO SINCE IM ANTI-AMERICAN I BURNED THE PAPER IF ANYTHING I GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY....WHAT WOULD OF YOU HAVE DONE......THE SITE IS http://www.SSS.GOV I AINT JOINING FOR SHIT IM NOT DYING FOR THE RICH"


"CI, I know this is supposed to insult us, but you could have picked ANYTHING said by StalinSoldiers and RedSovietCCCP, and it would have been much stupider."

Yeah, good point. I actually thought about it, but decided instead that SS, Thine Stalin, and RSCCCP each warranted their own independent "top 3 stupidest" threads, so look for that in the near future.

"The only stupid quote you got there is the first one. I mean, we ARE a hell of a lot sexier than you. Deal with it."

Don't make me organize a beauty pagaent!

"Come on, add this one to your list, Capitalist pig:

[b]"HEY SOME PAPER CAME TROUGH A MAIL 1 MONTH AGO SAYING TO JOIN THE ARMY I BURNED IT....THEN THIS WEEK ANOTHER PAPER CAME AND SAID IF I DO NOT JOIN OR SIGN UP WITHIN 10 DAYS THEY WOULD PUT ME INTO SOME SUSPECT THINGS WHICH I CAN STAY IN PRISON FOR 5 YEARS OR PAY $250,000 OR BOTH....SO SINCE IM ANTI-AMERICAN I BURNED THE PAPER IF ANYTHING I GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY....WHAT WOULD OF YOU HAVE DONE......THE SITE IS http://www.SSS.GOV I AINT JOINING FOR SHIT IM NOT DYING FOR THE RICH""

Yeah, that is a good one. But you know if I posted SS quotes, it wouldn't be as fun because everyone, right an left, would just agree.

[Anonymous]

How about these from our good freinds in the environmentalist movement:

"Human suffering is much less important than the suffering of the planet" - David Brower former head of the Sierra Club and founder of Freinds of the Earth

"We humans have become a disease, the Humanpox" -Dave Foreman founder of Earth First

"Human happiness ...not as important as a wild and healthy planet. Somewhere along the line...we quit the contract and became a cancer. We have become a plague upon ourselves and upon the face of the Earth... until such time as Homo sapiens should decide to rejoin nature, some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along." - David M. Graber a biologist with the National Park Service.

"It seems an easy choice - sacrifice the tree for the human life - until one learns that three trees must be destroyed for each patient treated. Suddenly we must confront some tough questions. How important [i]are the medical needs of future generations?" - Al Gore in Earth in Balance

" McDonalds tells kids that hamburgers grow in hamburger patches. It's a lie" - PETA online
No Shit!

"Please let General Mills know that America's breakfast tables are no place for the glorification of a violent activity like fishing" - Peta online criticizing 'Wheaties" boxes showing a fisherman on them.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Those are freakin' gold, DC, gold!

[Xvall]

Let's have MORE fun. how about our capitalistic friend Dan Quayle!

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." - Speaking to the Phoenix Republican Forum, March 1990

"This president is going to lead us out of this recovery." - At a campaign stop in California and then at CA State University, Fresno (The Quayle Quarterly, Spring/Summer 1992) Hurray for the president! Wouldn't want our country to do GOOD now would we!?

"For NASA, space is still a high priority." - 5 September 1993

[Mazdak]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 10:00 pm on Aug. 9, 2002
How about these from our good freinds in the environmentalist movement:

"Human suffering is much less important than the suffering of the planet" - David Brower former head of the Sierra Club and founder of Freinds of the Earth

"We humans have become a disease, the Humanpox" -Dave Foreman founder of Earth First

"Human happiness ...not as important as a wild and healthy planet. Somewhere along the line...we quit the contract and became a cancer. We have become a plague upon ourselves and upon the face of the Earth... until such time as Homo sapiens should decide to rejoin nature, some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along." - David M. Graber a biologist with the National Park Service.

"It seems an easy choice - sacrifice the tree for the human life - until one learns that three trees must be destroyed for each patient treated. Suddenly we must confront some tough questions. How important [i]are the medical needs of future generations?" - Al Gore in Earth in Balance

" McDonalds tells kids that hamburgers grow in hamburger patches. It's a lie" - PETA online
No Shit!

"Please let General Mills know that America's breakfast tables are no place for the glorification of a violent activity like fishing" - Peta online criticizing 'Wheaties" boxes showing a fisherman on them.




I think most of those quotes are correct and true. Human lives arent nearly as important as the survival of the planet, when are we going to learn this?

[Nateddi]

Here are some really dumb leftist quotes.

"That sucked, they showed like a 4 minute segment at the end of the show lol. ... the head of the communist party....made some good points about what capitalists teach, very accurate. And it is true the people who are communists are ready to rise up and fight. Stupid capitalist media "
- Che-Lives member blaming the "stupid capitalist media" for not showing more than 4 minutes of free speech by communists.


"If we are commies and believe in equality then even in capitolists [sic] are doing wrong and hurting innocent people they are still equal. am i rite? don't get me wrong im a commie but everyone is equal even if they are capitolists."

- Che-Lives member letting off some steam hypocratic steam in the Socialism vs. Capitalism forum, no poignant discussion or rational thought, just immature rhetoric.


"the u.s have always been using probiganda 4 the past sixty years!!!!!!!in 1941 usa cut off japans oil supply in japans respond 2 this they bomb preal harbour killing 5 mayby 6 thosand people then u.s kill over 5million people in japan not 2 menchen speading radition there for forty years still kill people then comes OSAMA BIN LAIDEN knocks down the world trade center killing 4and a half thosand people then the u.s go away and kill 1million people 2hundred thosand civilians!!!!!! the u.s think they are beter then every1 "

- another idiot posting mindless rhetoric in the socialism vs. capitalism forum.


now i wonder if anyone can quote capitalists going berserk in this same manner.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Mazdak on 11:48 pm on Aug. 9, 2002


I think most of those quotes are correct and true. Human lives arent nearly as important as the survival of the planet, when are we going to learn this?


Well, ok, in a utilitarian sense, you are correct, 1 single human life is not as important, because our survival depends on maintaining a viable planet, food chain, and the flora an fauna to support them. However, your statement is quite broad. Is it better to sacrifice 5.5 billion lives so the planet can sustain the other .5 million? I am not suggesting it is or isn't, but where do we draw the balance? Our perception of the importance of maintaining the atmosphere is predicated by the notion that sustenence of the atmosphere is neccesary for our survival. So, we seem to be locked in a paradox. I think DC's point was that some of these enviro-terrorist groups take things to far both in action and in commentary.

[Ymir]

Capitalist Imperial if you deduct 5.5billion from the global human population you will have a remainder of 500million...not .5millon. Silly capitalists and their ignorance!

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Ymir on 8:18 am on Aug. 10, 2002
Capitalist Imperial if you deduct 5.5billion from the global human population you will have a remainder of 500million...not .5millon. Silly capitalists and their ignorance!


It was probably just a typo. He meant .5 billion. Any idiot with a brain can see that.

[President Dick Nixon]

The left will always cling to such pointless claims when they cannot debunk a true thinker.

[Stormin Norman]

Hey its Nixon!

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from President Dick Nixon on 3:41 am on Aug. 10, 2002
The left will always cling to such pointless claims when they cannot debunk a true thinker.


first of all you do realize that CI stole this idea from a thread already started by a leftist.

Second of all where did you pull that little statement from?

[President Dick Nixon]

In case you did not comprehend correctly, Lardlad, I was referring to the ruthless leftist tactics striving to capitalize on every small thing they possibly can. In particular, the fact that Ymir attempted to create a dimwit out of Capitalist Imperial simply for creating an obvious typo.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from President Dick Nixon on 5:43 am on Aug. 10, 2002
In case you did not comprehend correctly, Lardlad, I was referring to the ruthless leftist tactics striving to capitalize on every small thing they possibly can. In particular, the fact that Ymir attempted to create a dimwit out of Capitalist Imperial simply for creating an obvious typo.

Your taking one guy talking about a typo to reffer to an enttire group of people?

What the hell?

Like you guys don't take the slightest thing and blow it up. I mean think of all the capitalists here who say,

"Stalin opressed people, all socialists and communists are stalinists and believe in censorship"

I'm not saying thats exactley what they say but people have said I want to opress people like stalin and I despise stalin probably more than they do.

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Have any of you capitalists actually listened to anything George Bush Jr has said? What's worse, a couple of ignorant Stalinists posting their pseudo-communist views or the leader of the "free world" making little or no sense?

[Moskitto]

1) [The USA] never landed on the moon, it was a political stunt to properganderize the populus, they couldnt let the soviets win again, the US were technalogically inferior, and needed to fight this truth.

That isn't a leftist quote, the TV program which started that stupid myth was shown on, you guessed it, Fox. Which is run by, you guessed it, Rupert Murdoch, who is, you guessed it, a capitalist.

[suffianr]

Hey Mr Prez, first of all, this is a LEFTIST, I repeat, L-E-F-T-I-S-T Internationalist Forum, got it? :)

And you are currently browsing in the Socialism vs. Capitalism thread, so this essentially means that every word, every sentence and every misbegotten phrase you quote will be scrutinized deeper than any Fifth Grade assignment you ever wrote, every stupid mistake you make will be recorded, every argument you begin will be considered with hostile intentions, every rebuttal an attempt at justifying your precious beliefs...

This is not Chit Chat, where everybody pats each other on the back after a particularly hilarious joke, this is a forum where we fight our own little forgotten Cold War, where your beliefs are taken as seriously as you hold them to be...so, be advised watch what you say in here, or somebody else will... :)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Ymir on 3:18 am on Aug. 10, 2002
Capitalist Imperial if you deduct 5.5billion from the global human population you will have a remainder of 500million...not .5millon. Silly capitalists and their ignorance!

I know Ymir, that was a typo.

Is that your only response to my post? Sad.

Ive seen your posts, and I can tell that I am 10 times smarter and more relevant than you on this board.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 4:54 am on Aug. 10, 2002
]

first of all you do realize that CI stole this idea from a thread already started by a leftist.

Second of all where did you pull that little statement from?


Bullshit, Lardlad, I can say with total confidence that the above post was 100% my original thought and submission. Your claim is a pathetic ploy to discredit me. You and Ymir are obviously grasping at straws at this point, because you both lack a legitimate response.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Nixon Rules! He's back from the dead to kick some ass!

DC, thanks for the support. I appreciate that people here can see the difference between flawed thinking and a simple typo.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from suffianr on 4:15 pm on Aug. 10, 2002
Hey Mr Prez, first of all, this is a LEFTIST, I repeat, L-E-F-T-I-S-T Internationalist Forum, got it? :)

And you are currently browsing in the Socialism vs. Capitalism thread, so this essentially means that every word, every sentence and every misbegotten phrase you quote will be scrutinized deeper than any Fifth Grade assignment you ever wrote, every stupid mistake you make will be recorded, every argument you begin will be considered with hostile intentions, every rebuttal an attempt at justifying your precious beliefs...

This is not Chit Chat, where everybody pats each other on the back after a particularly hilarious joke, this is a forum where we fight our own little forgotten Cold War, where your beliefs are taken as seriously as you hold them to be...so, be advised watch what you say in here, or somebody else will... :)




actually, people here rarely attack on typo's, spelling or grammatical errors. that is not the point of the xchange of ideas here, and most mature people concede that

[guerrillaradio]

What the hell is up with Nixon's signature?? Did the leader of the "free world" through five of its most important years really say that??

[Ymir]

1. Ive seen your posts, and I can tell that I am 10 times smarter and more relevant then you on this board.

2. The left will always cling to pointless claims when they can not debunk a true thinker

3. I was referring to the ruthless leftist tactics...

1.) Capitalist Imperial...that is probably the most childish thing I have ever heard you say, dare I say one of your dumbest quotes? CI I doubt you have an IQ of 1,460. The topic being "Among 3 Dumbest Leftist Quotes" and you complain about relevancy. And what I said earlier was somewhat relevant, CI was talking about stupid quotes so I pointed out one of his.
2.)Again, the topic is about stupid quotes by Leftists. Is Capitalist Imperial attempting to prove something? Is he trying to show off his capitalistic ideals? No. He is grabbing quotes by Leftists and calling them stupid. That takes very little thinking.
3.)Nixon this is probably only second time I have spoken directly towards Capitalist Imperial. Capitalist Imperial brings up stupid leftists and their phrases, but when I bring up that something he says is stupid, suddenly I am a ruthless leftist that is striving to capitalize on every small thing I possibly can.

[Americana]

"CI I doubt you have an IQ of 1,460."
--Ymir
I think EVERYONE would doubt that.
knock a cero off that numero.
I know you were just being sarcastic...
just rattling your chain.

[j]

Ok, I'm a leftist but some OTHER leftists here are making asses of themselves.

First of all, Ymir....what do mean with "an IQ of 1460?" You are making a typo when you just blasted CI for a typo! Even if you knock off the zero 146 is an incredibly high IQ. I doubt CI or anyone here has that high of an IQ. I mean considering 68% of the population has an IQ b/w 85-115, 14% of the population b/w 115-130, 2.14% b/w 130 and 145, and just 0.13% above 145.
(if this was just dig on one of CI earlier claims, my apologies)

suffianr-"Cold War" Who the hell is fighting a cold war?? The cold war was an era of building more and more bombs and increasing the philosophy of mutually assured destruction. It was between the US and the USSR. It played itself out in wars like Korea, Vietnam, Afganistan, Central America, etc. This is simply debate, not cold war. That comment was stupid.

OK, cappies, you are not off the hook either.

CI-"a legitimate response" to what?? What are you asking? What kind of debate do want? You listed quotes and now we are to de-bunk these quotes?

DC-Youre gonna quote PETA and EarthFirst??? What kind of crap is that? Not many of us here are PETA or EarthFirst supporters. Come on, you could of tried a little harder than that obvious shit.

Come on people. Get it together.

j

[Michael De Panama]

I'm a PETA supporter. Although I do think some of their shit gets pretty silly.

[Stormin Norman]

"I'm a PETA supporter. Although I do think some of their shit gets pretty silly."

-That makes you an idiot. Why would you support such a group?

[boadicea88]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 11:03 pm on Aug. 10, 2002
"I'm a PETA supporter. Although I do think some of their shit gets pretty silly."

-That makes you an idiot. Why would you support such a group?

So caring about animals makes you an idiot? WTF?! Then you can add me to the ranks of proud idiots! Why we support groups like that is because we care about other beings besides ourselves. Is that too much to comprehend?

And Ymir was obviously making a joke. The point was that nobody can have an IQ of 1,460, which means that CI can't have an IQ 10 times greater than that of Ymir's. Am I the only one who sees this? Or does everyone think (stupidly) that that was a 'typo'?

[boadicea88]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 9:30 am on Aug. 10, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 4:54 am on Aug. 10, 2002
]

first of all you do realize that CI stole this idea from a thread already started by a leftist.

Second of all where did you pull that little statement from?


Bullshit, Lardlad, I can say with total confidence that the above post was 100% my original thought and submission. Your claim is a pathetic ploy to discredit me. You and Ymir are obviously grasping at straws at this point, because you both lack a legitimate response.


Actually, I also remember the thread... And it seems to me that this one came after it did...

[Stormin Norman]

What more do I need to say about such an organization? Their actions speak for themselves. If you do not believe PETA to be a hideous form of political activism, I suggest you take a look at some quotes from people tied to animal rights activism. Their words speak for themselves, as many times they feel that human rights are less important than animal rights. Furthermore, they have been linked to domestic terrorist organizations like that of the Earth Liberation Front. Do you communists support the destruction of private property, not to mention the potential danger that humans may be placed in as a result of such irresponsible behavior?

1.) "We are not especially 'interested in'
animals. Neither of us had ever been
inordinately fond of dogs, cats, or
horses in the way that many people are.
We didn't 'love' animals." --Peter
Singer, Animal Liberation: A New
Ethic for Our Treatment of Animals,
2nd ed. (New York Review of Books,
1990),Preface, p. ii.

2.) "Pet ownership is an absolutely
abysmal situation brought
about by human manipulation."
-- Ingrid Newkirk, national director,
People for the Ethical Treatment of
Animals (PeTA), Just Like Us?
Toward a Nation of Animal Rights"
(symposium), Harper's, August 1988,
p. 50.

3.) ""The cat, like the dog, must disappear
... We should cut the domestic cat free
from our dominance by neutering,
neutering, and more neutering, until our
pathetic version of the cat ceases to
exist." --John Bryant, Fettered
Kingdoms: An Examination of A
Changing Ethic
(Washington, DC: People for the
Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA),
1982), p. 15.

4.) "Arson, property destruction, burglary
and theft are 'acceptable crimes'
when used for the animal cause."
-Alex Pacheco, Director, PeTA

5.) "...the animal rights movement is not
concerned about species extinction.
An elephant is no more or less
important than a cow, just as a
dolphin is no more important than a
tuna...(In fact, many animal rights
advocates would argue that it is
better for the chimpanzee to become
extinct than to be exploited
continually in laboratories, zoos
and circuses." (Barbara Biel,
The Animals' Agenda, Vol 15 #3.

6.) "Torturing a human being is almost
always wrong, but it is not absolutely
wrong." --Peter Singer, as quoted in
Josephine Donovan, "Animal Rights
and Feminist Theory, " Signs: Journal
of Women in Culture and
Society, Winter 1990, p. 357.

-This last quote I actually agree with, for if human lives can be saved by torturing some of the captives at camp x-ray I would support it. However, I don't think this is what the author meant. The motion picture Dirty Harry also dealt with this issue, as Harry Callihan tortured a suspect in order to find out where a victim who was slowly being suffocated was located.

7.) "As long as humans have rights and
nonhumans do not, as is the case in
the welfarist (animal welfare) framework,
then nonhumans will virtually always
lose when their interests conflict with
human interests. Thus welfare reforms,
by their very nature, can only serve to
retard the pace at which animal rights
goals are achieved." (Francione &
Regan, "A Movement's Means Create
Its Ends," Animals' Agenda,
Jan.-Feb., 1992).

8.) "To those people who say, `My father
is alive because of animal
experimentation,' I say `Yeah, well,
good for you. This dog died so your
father could live.' Sorry, but I am just
not behind that kind of trade off."
- Bill Maher, PeTA celebrity spokesman

8.) "Even if animal tests produced a cure
[for AIDS], 'we'd be against it.'" --Ingrid
Newkirk, national director, People for
the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA),
as quoted in Fred Barnes, "Politics,"
Vogue, September 1989, p. 542.

9.) "Even granting that we [humans] face
greater harm than laboratory animals
presently endure if ... research on these
animals is stopped, the animal rights
view will not be satisfied with anything
less than total abolition." (Tom Regan,
The Case for Animal Rights, 1983).

10.) "I'm an insulin-dependent diabetic.
Twice a day I take synthetically
manufactured insulin that still contains
some animal products--and I have no
qualms about it." Sweetland adds,
"I don't see myself as a hypocrite.
I need my life to fight for the rights
of animals." -Mary Beth Sweetland,
PETA

11.) "Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs." - John Davis, Editor of The Earth First! Journal

12.) "Feeding kids meat is child abuse." - PETA online

13.) ''It would be a great thing if, you know, all of these fast-food outlets and these slaughterhouses and these laboratories and these banks that fund them exploded tomorrow.'' After the audience's applause died down, he added, according to a tape of his comments, ''I think it's perfectly appropriate for people to take bricks and toss them through the windows. . . . Hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it.''-Bruce Friedrich, vegan campaign coordinator for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA)

peta-supports-terrorism (http://www.animalrights.net/articles/2002/000113.html)

terrorism-by-ELF[url]

[url=http://www.gene.ch/gentech/2002/Feb/msg00109.html]more-evidence-of-peta-terrorist-involvment (http://www.consumerfreedom.com/headline_detail.cfm?HEADLINE_ID=1471)

If you, like me, despise this type of organization, and feel they should be barred from their tax exempt status, then sign this electronic petition for the IRS to review their tax exempt status. I don't think an organization that supports terrorism by means of providing funding should be allowed this priviledge.

petition-to-revoke-peta's-tax-exempt-status (http://www.petitiononline.com/rvkptaex/petition-sign.html)?

[Moskitto]

sure, animals should be treated ethically, but those people are just taking it too far.

Particullarly that one about AIDS. At the current rate of infection, AIDS will probably overtake the Black Death (I don't say Bubonic Plague because recent evidence suggests that it was an Ebola like virus.) as the costliest human tragedy. If a vacine or cure was developed, how many people would be saved? 20, 50, 100 Million? How many animals would die? Surely these people cannot seriously believe that a small number of animals is not a price worth paying to save tens of millions of human lives?

Or are these people those who would swerve on the M25 at 9 o'clock in the morning causing an accident claiming dozens of lives just to avoid running over a blackbird.

[Stormin Norman]

I thought this one was great.

"you know ive heard that his E=mc2. is wrong."-someone going by bluerev02

In fairness, they did go on to offer a better explanation of what they were talking about. I still laughed.

[Moskitto]

I heard about that E=MC^2 being wrong on the news.

I've seen a few science documentries which present problems do do with those equations. Like one of them was about huge energy releases happening at the far reaches of the universe that seem to break E=MC^2.

But I heard the problem with it was something to do with the speed of light might not be constant because of the "flatness problem" which is solved by one of Einstein's additions to one of his other equations which he removed. Although it is a fairly radical idea and not generally accepted by mainstream science.

[Stormin Norman]

The amount of energy needed to split an atom into its components is called the nuclear binding energy. When a nuclear reaction takes place matter is converted into heat energy, therefore it is an exothermic reaction. Einstein's mass-energy equivalence relationship allows for the resulting energy of such a reaction to be calculated theoretically. This equation is written as:

del(E) = del(m)*c^2

change in energy = energy of products - energy of reactants

change in mass = mass of product - mass of reactants

-a negative energy value means energy is given off to the surroundings
-if the mass is negative then energy is released to the surroundings

This calculation allows us to obtain a rating of the amount of energy stored in the nucleus of an atom. Since all atoms have a different atomic mass, they each have a unique value. It is common to use the units (J/nucleon) to represent this value.

These theoretical values have been tested by experimentation, and have never been proven to be wrong, quite the contrary. This formula has held up remarkabley well according to the purpose it is used for, which I mentioned above.

Science works in this respect. The theoretical scientist comes up with models that work well mathematically on paper. Then the experimentalist tests those theories in the lab. Sometimes the results are expected. Sometimes they are unexpected and old views must be revised in order to explain why or why not.

Even if the speed of light is changing slowly over time, for now Einstein's model works well for its purposes, and their exists no reason to scrap it at this juncture. Of course, the scientist who has discovered the new revelation that light speed can vary wants to claim that he has disproved one of Einstein's theories. Every scientist would like to make that claim. But I think Einstein and many others have already predicted the result that light varies. All this new revelation does is confirm previous conceptions held by many physicists about the nature of the universe.

[Ymir]

boadice8 got my point.

[marxistdisciple]

SN are you a physicist? Just you talk about equations like my housemate who has just finished a physics degree. He's very much a right winger too, takes great pride in explaining the sheer power of nuclear bombs etc.

He knows a lot about milatary hardware too. Is there a link between right wingers and the sciences specifically? A lot of the righties seem to be really into military stuff here. Can I make a further question and ask how many lefties are into the humanaties, i.e. English, Psychology, Sociology and the like?

As far as Einstein's theories go I agree in that there is no reason to doubt them until they are disproved. Just like every theory, they will serve their purpose until (maybe) someone finds a better explanation that explains it better. Of course, he did say all things were relative too, so if time isn't a constant by his reasoning should we assume that the spped of light is?
I suppose we can only make observations on our own planet though, so that leaves a lot of room for learning in the future. It interests me how this applies to space travel too.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Ymir on 11:50 pm on Aug. 11, 2002
boadice8 got my point.



I was obviously being fasicious, and I don't think IQ is the only measure of intelligence, anyway, although I did score 140 in an internet IQ test, never taken a regular IQ test

[vox]

"although I did score 140 in an internet IQ test, never taken a regular IQ test"

The highest I ever got on an Internet IQ test was, I believe, 156. I have also taken a real IQ test and no, it's not 156 (which would make me a genius.)

Internet IQ tests are notoriously unreliable, especially the ones that are free, give you a brief summary, and, for just X amount of dollars, you can have the full report. Of course, you're going to get a high score in order to induce to you to buy the report.

I did find one online IQ test, however, that was pretty good. I can't even remember what the style is called, though I remember reading elsewhere that this kind was becoming popular in Europe. There were no verbal questions at all, as I recall. Very interesting. It also gave me a number close to the one I got in real life. I wish I could find it again, though the site may not even exist anymore.

Oh, wait, I think one of those online tests, which I could tell was worthless as I took it, gave me a 180-something. Hee! I think believing that score would pretty much prove you don't have an IQ that high. The test itself wasn't even an IQ test but a general knowledge test. Nothing about pattern recognition or deductive thinking at all. Very, very bad. I wonder how many people took it and thought they were quite smart. Worse, I wonder how many took it and did poorly.

Of course, there's a controversy over how accurate the Stanford-Binet test is, too.

vox

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from vox on 1:44 am on Aug. 12, 2002
"although I did score 140 in an internet IQ test, never taken a regular IQ test"

The highest I ever got on an Internet IQ test was, I believe, 156. I have also taken a real IQ test and no, it's not 156 (which would make me a genius.)

Internet IQ tests are notoriously unreliable, especially the ones that are free, give you a brief summary, and, for just X amount of dollars, you can have the full report. Of course, you're going to get a high score in order to induce to you to buy the report.

I did find one online IQ test, however, that was pretty good. I can't even remember what the style is called, though I remember reading elsewhere that this kind was becoming popular in Europe. There were no verbal questions at all, as I recall. Very interesting. It also gave me a number close to the one I got in real life. I wish I could find it again, though the site may not even exist anymore.

Oh, wait, I think one of those online tests, which I could tell was worthless as I took it, gave me a 180-something. Hee! I think believing that score would pretty much prove you don't have an IQ that high. The test itself wasn't even an IQ test but a general knowledge test. Nothing about pattern recognition or deductive thinking at all. Very, very bad. I wonder how many people took it and thought they were quite smart. Worse, I wonder how many took it and did poorly.

Of course, there's a controversy over how accurate the Stanford-Binet test is, too.

vox

Yeah, what you're saying makes sense.

How does one go about taking a standardized, written IQ test just for one's own purposes? Are there companies who will administrate one for you?

[vox]

CI,

This may be one of the very few times we agree on something.

As for how someone gets one in real life, I don't know. I believe there are places that will do it for a fee, but I'm not sure of the validity (the profit motive, as we've seen, can change things). I know there are books about it, and tests you can purchase for self-testing. (There's also a much longer test that pschologists administer, but that's rare.)

If you take three different self-tests, and get around the same result (within five points or so) each time, I'd say you've got a fairly accurate assessment, as such things go. No one else will ever know, after all. And there's no reason for them to know. Online, we're judged by what is written. Not our color or gender or class. (Hence my online name.) All we have here are the words.

Oh, and by the way, here's an example of a European IQ test (http://www.hormiga.org/iqt.htm), though it's not the one I took, which was a few pages longer. Still, it gives an example of what I was talking about. After all, an IQ test is supposed to determine one's ability to think, not one's general knowledge.

vox

[j]

There is no one "IQ Test." There are varying types of tests that measure cognitive ability and give you a standard score like the numbers we generally refer to as IQ (120, 85, 134) etc. Some examples are the Woodcock Johnson Tests of Cognitive Ability, the Stanford-Binet, etc. But you really need to be American to take these tests, there are cultural bits in it.

If you want to take these tests you simply need to find a psychologist in your local phonebook and find out if they administer any of these tests. I've given the Woodcock Johnson before to a student but since then a regulation was put into effect that teachers are not allowed to give any cognitive tests--only academic achievement tests in Massachusetts. Generally, you find psychologists in private practice that could give you one of these tests--they usually have clients that are kids or young people.

An IQ test is only one test. For example, in Masschusetts we can not put a kid into a mentally retarded program because he scored below a 72 on a test only once. He would have to score low on multiple occasions. The same would be true of placing a child in a gifted program--although gifted programs do not exist in the world of Massachusetts special education.

There is also a movement against IQ tests and their validity. This guy (I forget who off the top of my head) has developed a theory of multipule intelligences. He classified them into 7 broad intelligences--kinesthetic (moving), spatial, musical, and some other ones that I can't think of right now. But anyway, there are also people who are investigating the idea of emotional intelligence. This idea deals with how people interact with other people and deal with life difficulties. It's all interesting stuff.

So don't put all your eggs in one basket with an IQ score. It could be a fluke or the real thing, who knows??

j

[j]

There is no one "IQ Test." There are varying types of tests that measure cognitive ability and give you a standard score like the numbers we generally refer to as IQ (120, 85, 134) etc. Some examples are the Woodcock Johnson Tests of Cognitive Ability, the Stanford-Binet, etc. But you really need to be American to take these tests, there are cultural bits in it.

If you want to take these tests you simply need to find a psychologist in your local phonebook and find out if they administer any of these tests. I've given the Woodcock Johnson before to a student but since then a regulation was put into effect that teachers are not allowed to give any cognitive tests--only academic achievement tests in Massachusetts. Generally, you find psychologists in private practice that could give you one of these tests--they usually have clients that are kids or young people.

An IQ test is only one test. For example, in Masschusetts we can not put a kid into a mentally retarded program because he scored below a 72 on a test only once. He would have to score low on multiple occasions. The same would be true of placing a child in a gifted program--although gifted programs do not exist in the world of Massachusetts special education.

There is also a movement against IQ tests and their validity. This guy (I forget who off the top of my head) has developed a theory of multipule intelligences. He classified them into 7 broad intelligences--kinesthetic (moving), spatial, musical, and some other ones that I can't think of right now. But anyway, there are also people who are investigating the idea of emotional intelligence. This idea deals with how people interact with other people and deal with life difficulties. It's all interesting stuff.

So don't put all your eggs in one basket with an IQ score. It could be a fluke or the real thing, who knows??

j

[Moskitto]

He classified them into 7 broad intelligences--kinesthetic (moving), spatial, musical, and some other ones that I can't think of right now.

emotional, mathmatical, linguistic maybe?

[j]

Sorry about the double post. I don't know how or why that happened.

Anyway, Howard Garnder developed a theory of seven intelligences and they are:

1) Linguistic--the ability to use language in written and oral expression to aid in remembering, solving problems, and seeking new answers to old problems (novelist, lecturer, lawyer, lyricist)

2)Logical-mathematical--the ability to use notation and calculation to aid with deductive and inductive reasoning (mathematician, physcist)

3)Spatial--The ability to use notation, spatial configurations; important in pattern recognition (architect, navigator, sculptor, mechanic)

4)Bodily-kinesthetic--the ability to use all or part of one's body to perform a task or fashion a product (dancer, athelete, surgeon)

5)Musical--The ability to discriminate pitch; sensitivity to rhythm, texture, and timbre; (musician)

6)Interpersonal--The ability to understand other individuals--their actions and motivations--and to act productively on that knowledge (teacher, therapist, politician, salesperson)

7)Intrapersonal-The ability to understand one's own feelings and motivations, cognitive strengths, and styles (just about anything)

Most people have different abilities in each of these categories. This theory is often talked about with gifted students such as those that excel in music, sports, writing, etc. but do not necessarily score high on the standard Stanford-Binet or other intelligence tests.

j

[Moskitto]

Stupid Quotes are soooo funny.

"I'll give him a year, no longer" - Batista on Fidel Castro

"He has been accused of communist sympathies, such allegations are unfounded" - US Newspaper on Fidel Castro

"The Soviet Forces are assisting the Hungarians in their struggle against imperialism" - British Communist party newspaper.

"The French people, are incapable of regicide" - Louis XVI

"Let us begin by commiting ourselves to the truth" - Richard Nixon

"...Of course not, God himself could not sink this ship" - Some guy on Titanic

"Guitar music is on the way out" - Deca Records on some people called Paul, George, Ringo and John.

[Anonymous]

"So reagan improved the economy so much that clinton had to spend so much time fixing what reagan had ruined." - Mazdak

wtf?

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 10:32 am on Aug. 14, 2002)

[Michael De Panama]

Someone doesn't understand irony.

[Hattori Hanzo]

"1) [The USA] never landed on the moon, it was a political stunt to properganderize the populus, they couldnt let the soviets win again, the US were technalogically inferior, and needed to fight this truth."

not a lefty quote

"2) Is the reason capitalists hate us because basically, we're sexier than them?"

Aren't we? :) no, but truly this guy was joking, ok?

"3)America is a very evil country. When is it going to stop exploiting the rest of the world? Stupid imperialists. They are going to end up destrying the planet. "

How in the Fuck is this stupid?

"The funny thing is, these are from one page in one forum. "

haha you obviously didn't look hard to find 3 of the worst.

"See how easy it is?"

I wonder how easy it would be to find 3 stupid capitalist quotes? :angry:

[boadicea88]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 3:38 pm on Aug. 14, 2002
Someone doesn't understand irony.


Got that right.