POLL

[Americana]

In 25 words or less, I want everyone to claim their allegance (spelling?) to their ideology.

Here's mine gathered from the peanut sized information i know:

Socialist Democracy where Inheritance IS allowed with medicare staying private instead of government owned.

[boadicea88]

Too complicated. ;)

[Nateddi]

Marxist-Leninist

[The Che]

Marxist - socialist



(Edited by The Che at 8:19 am on Aug. 9, 2002)

[Maaja]

I will always follow Marx but I will also add new thoughts to his theory, so the mixture I get is the best.

[The Che]

Quote: from Maaja on 8:18 am on Aug. 9, 2002
I will always follow Marx but I will also add new thoughts to his theory, so the mixture I get is the best.

what kind of new thoughts? examples?

[Social Democratic]

Social democrat-socialist

will usually add ideas to include modern implications etc, but are a firm beleiver in Marxism and have always stood by nationalisation and syndicalism of industry. Try to convert many to the ideas, that capitalism is having a negitave effect on society.

[Maaja]

what kind of new thoughts? examples?


I like to take some good points from everything. For example several things from different political philosophs, authors, movemenets, regimes, my own experiences, even my friends.

[Xvall]

Anarcho-Communist
But I get along with most other Leftists as well.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Republican Capitalist, in support of the principles of a democratic republic, and in support of maintaining the sovereignty of the United States of America and its sphere of influence.

(ok, 29 words)

[Supermodel]

Diva-humanist-Christian-feminist-Guevarist-high-heeled-lipstick-wearing-blonde-sassy-kick-ass-feedomist-tribalist-internationalist-democratic-moderate-educationalist-open-minded-mommy.

[Dynatos]

socialist-communist-christian

[concerned]

Conservative, Capitalist, Republican. I support a strong aggressive defense against terrorism and in particular against the guerrillas in Colombia, which have been destroying my country for decades for the sake of their own greed and power. It is important for Colombia to keep a strong alliance with our closest friend, the USA, who have provided a lot of support for law abiding citizens in Colombia and helped us so much in the effort of fighting terrorism and drug trade.


(Edited by concerned at 7:18 pm on Aug. 9, 2002)

[new democracy]

new democracy-when ordinary people run the show, there is true democracy and true equality.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Viva Los estados Unidos

Viva Colombia!

[Vladimir]

Eh.......put center middle centrist with left ideas as well as some liberal ones.........OK, thats still a Stalinist CCCP soviet dictator to the cappies.......lol

IrishGuevara

[Michael De Panama]

Democratic Marxist.

[Mazdak]

Stalinist/ into the ideas of Mazdak

Concerned- ha, thats right, support the US and improve your druglord run economy.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from concerned on 7:17 pm on Aug. 9, 2002
Conservative, Capitalist, Republican. I support a strong aggressive defense against terrorism and in particular against the guerrillas in Colombia, which have been destroying my country for decades for the sake of their own greed and power. It is important for Colombia to keep a strong alliance with our closest friend, the USA, who have provided a lot of support for law abiding citizens in Colombia and helped us so much in the effort of fighting terrorism and drug trade.


(Edited by concerned at 7:18 pm on Aug. 9, 2002)



Jesus you wanna kiss the US's ass some more.

Its really sad when you have more pride in the US than in your own country. If your in favor of your current goverment thats one thing

but we already have Capitalist Imperial praising the hell out of the U$

I'm a Democratic Socialist

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 10:55 pm on Aug. 9, 2002


Jesus you wanna kiss the US's ass some more.

Its really sad when you have more pride in the US than in your own country. If your in favor of your current goverment thats one thing

but we already have Capitalist Imperial praising the hell out of the U$

I'm a Democratic Socialist

Shut up,lardlad, he is not "kissing US butt". He is one of the few people here intelligent enough to recognize US support of colombia, and he is acknowledging our alliance. He has plenty of pride in his own country.

Don't be mad because he is not another blind anti-american like most of you ignorant dolts.

[guerrillaradio]

I dislike labels. Just call me a hippy... ;)

[vox]

"I support a strong aggressive defense against terrorism and in particular against the guerrillas in Colombia, which have been destroying my country for decades for the sake of their own greed and power."

Damn straight. It's much better to be torn apart by transnational corporations, who operate only for their own greed and power.

vox

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:12 pm on Aug. 9, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 10:55 pm on Aug. 9, 2002


Jesus you wanna kiss the US's ass some more.

Its really sad when you have more pride in the US than in your own country. If your in favor of your current goverment thats one thing

but we already have Capitalist Imperial praising the hell out of the U$

I'm a Democratic Socialist

Shut up,lardlad, he is not "kissing US butt". He is one of the few people here intelligent enough to recognize US support of colombia, and he is acknowledging our alliance. He has plenty of pride in his own country.

Don't be mad because he is not another blind anti-american like most of you ignorant dolts.

why is it wrong for me to prejudge him but not wrong for you to prejudge me.

You fucking Republican's need get off your Goddamn high horse.

Why are we all blind? WHat I can't honestly disagree with the US?

I'm sorry I don't bow down to your God, the United States of America.

I'm sorry that I don't like seeing kids grow up poor and some kids growing up with every goddamn thing they could ask for and not having it hard in any way.

I'm sorry that I believe that other countries should be independent and stop having to rely on the US for everything.

The US doesn't give a fuck about any of the other countries it helps. The only reason is because they dont like anyone different from them or then want something in return.

Fuck you and the US. Your not perfect so don't fucking act like it.

God you represent exactley what is wrong with this Goddamn country.

Everyone that is different from you is wrong right? Everyone that isn't a fucking Right wing asshole capitalist is wrong right?

We should all want to become rich and get a fucking tax break while a little boy in a ghetto goes to school with dirty clothes while his mother works two jobs.


Its good to have people living dirt poor right? Its good to kill people because they don't like the way their country is run.

The fucking US was founded on a revolution and its wrong for people to do the same thing.

Man fuck you, you right wing republican asshole.

All you guys do is treat poor people like its their fault that you screwed them over.

Get this through your goddamn head I'm socialist because I believe its right I wasnt handed this shit. My parents didn't pump this into my brain.

No I'm socialist because I think people are worth helping.

You told me not to get mad because he's not like me? Then why the fuck are you calling me a blind dolt?

Your a hypocrite man.

Ignorant why the fuck am I ignorant are only people who fucking bow down to this damn country smart?

I may have insulted him but I find that you are the ignorant one for treating those who disagree with you like they are fools for what they believe in.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from vox on 11:19 pm on Aug. 9, 2002

"Damn straight. It's much better to be torn apart by transnational corporations, who operate only for their own greed and power."

Of course, they provide jobs, pay a 41% tax rate that help fund a number of social programs and infrastructure, and boost local economies, while often providing needed goods and services at reansonable costs, and they don't conduct terrorist operations that violently kill innocent people.

Besides that, FARC and corporate business are almost identical!



vox

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 11:31 pm on Aug. 9, 2002


why is it wrong for me to prejudge him but not wrong for you to prejudge me.

You fucking Republican's need get off your Goddamn high horse.

Why are we all blind? WHat I can't honestly disagree with the US?

I'm sorry I don't bow down to your God, the United States of America.

I'm sorry that I don't like seeing kids grow up poor and some kids growing up with every goddamn thing they could ask for and not having it hard in any way.

I'm sorry that I believe that other countries should be independent and stop having to rely on the US for everything.

The US doesn't give a fuck about any of the other countries it helps. The only reason is because they dont like anyone different from them or then want something in return.

Fuck you and the US. Your not perfect so don't fucking act like it.

God you represent exactley what is wrong with this Goddamn country.

Everyone that is different from you is wrong right? Everyone that isn't a fucking Right wing asshole capitalist is wrong right?

We should all want to become rich and get a fucking tax break while a little boy in a ghetto goes to school with dirty clothes while his mother works two jobs.


Its good to have people living dirt poor right? Its good to kill people because they don't like the way their country is run.

The fucking US was founded on a revolution and its wrong for people to do the same thing.

Man fuck you, you right wing republican asshole.

All you guys do is treat poor people like its their fault that you screwed them over.

Get this through your goddamn head I'm socialist because I believe its right I wasnt handed this shit. My parents didn't pump this into my brain.

No I'm socialist because I think people are worth helping.

You told me not to get mad because he's not like me? Then why the fuck are you calling me a blind dolt?

Your a hypocrite man.

Ignorant why the fuck am I ignorant are only people who fucking bow down to this damn country smart?

I may have insulted him but I find that you are the ignorant one for treating those who disagree with you like they are fools for what they believe in.




Bad day, lardlad?

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:45 pm on Aug. 9, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 11:31 pm on Aug. 9, 2002


why is it wrong for me to prejudge him but not wrong for you to prejudge me.

You fucking Republican's need get off your Goddamn high horse.

Why are we all blind? WHat I can't honestly disagree with the US?

I'm sorry I don't bow down to your God, the United States of America.

I'm sorry that I don't like seeing kids grow up poor and some kids growing up with every goddamn thing they could ask for and not having it hard in any way.

I'm sorry that I believe that other countries should be independent and stop having to rely on the US for everything.

The US doesn't give a fuck about any of the other countries it helps. The only reason is because they dont like anyone different from them or then want something in return.

Fuck you and the US. Your not perfect so don't fucking act like it.

God you represent exactley what is wrong with this Goddamn country.

Everyone that is different from you is wrong right? Everyone that isn't a fucking Right wing asshole capitalist is wrong right?

We should all want to become rich and get a fucking tax break while a little boy in a ghetto goes to school with dirty clothes while his mother works two jobs.


Its good to have people living dirt poor right? Its good to kill people because they don't like the way their country is run.

The fucking US was founded on a revolution and its wrong for people to do the same thing.

Man fuck you, you right wing republican asshole.

All you guys do is treat poor people like its their fault that you screwed them over.

Get this through your goddamn head I'm socialist because I believe its right I wasnt handed this shit. My parents didn't pump this into my brain.

No I'm socialist because I think people are worth helping.

You told me not to get mad because he's not like me? Then why the fuck are you calling me a blind dolt?

Your a hypocrite man.

Ignorant why the fuck am I ignorant are only people who fucking bow down to this damn country smart?

I may have insulted him but I find that you are the ignorant one for treating those who disagree with you like they are fools for what they believe in.




Bad day, lardlad?


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahhhhhhhhhhhhahahahaahahhhhhahahahahahah


Actualy it was a bad day...how the ehll did you know?

I apologize for flying off the handle but I've been exceedingly depressed and angry.

Not to mention I had been getting angry at how people distinguish revolutions from terrorism.

I mean to the british weren't the american rebels terrorist?

Its all relative. not to mention how after 9/11 anyone who didn't support the US 100% was a terrorist.

That sorta made me fly off the handle. I'm not in favor of killing.

However people have broadend that term to mean anyone who doesn't like President Bush even if the person isn't a leftist.

People aren't being fair to other people's beliefs...and I admit I did that also towards non socialists.

The thing we have all forgotten is to respect other peoples beliefs.

(Edited by Lardlad95 at 12:01 am on Aug. 10, 2002)

[vox]

"Of course, they provide jobs, pay a 41% tax rate that help fund a number of social programs and infrastructure, and boost local economies, while often providing needed goods and services at reansonable costs, and they don't conduct terrorist operations that violently kill innocent people."

First, where'd you get the 41% figure from?

For examples of the West's impact on Latin America, one need only look to Argentina, Brazil, Nicaragua, El Salvador, etc. In case after case, we find the same thing: a small number of rich and a large number of poor.

As for supporting terrorism, maybe you're right in the official sense. However, they seem very familiar with plain, old fashioned terror (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0808-01.htm). Just ask the people in Sudan (http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0609-03.htm) or Ken Saro-Wiwa (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/091900-01.htm).

vox

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from vox on 12:01 am on Aug. 10, 2002
"Of course, they provide jobs, pay a 41% tax rate that help fund a number of social programs and infrastructure, and boost local economies, while often providing needed goods and services at reansonable costs, and they don't conduct terrorist operations that violently kill innocent people."

First, where'd you get the 41% figure from?

For examples of the West's impact on Latin America, one need only look to Argentina, Brazil, Nicaragua, El Salvador, etc. In case after case, we find the same thing: a small number of rich and a large number of poor.

As for supporting terrorism, maybe you're right in the official sense. However, they seem very familiar with plain, old fashioned terror (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0808-01.htm). Just ask the people in Sudan (http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0609-03.htm) or Ken Saro-Wiwa (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/091900-01.htm).

vox

"First, where'd you get the 41% figure from?"

41% is the IRS corporate income tax rate.

"For examples of the West's impact on Latin America, one need only look to Argentina, Brazil, Nicaragua, El Salvador, etc."

Latin America is a hotbed for leftist pundits, and for good reason. However, all nations of central and latin america, regardless of ideology, are developing economies and emerging markets, and they are all third world, whether operating under free market theory or dictatorship and central planning.

"As for supporting terrorism, maybe you're right in the official sense. However, they seem very familiar with plain, old fashioned terror (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0808-01.htm)."

I can appreciate this article, however, I question whethter in this situation it is exxon mobile who id directly responsibe. The piece states that exxon is being persued inn the litigation for providing "material and logistical support". Was said support given for purposes of committing the travesty? Or was that an unfortunate incidental that is the rewsponsiblility of TNI?

"Just ask the people in Sudan (http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0609-03.htm)"

Again, should we compromise leegitimate business as a means to stop warlords? or should we stop the warloards themselves?

"or Ken Saro-Wiwa (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/091900-01.htm)."

again, a relevant article. howerver, it cites on ly the plaintiff's allegations, and does not seem to balance the story with the dutch/british wing's of shell's claims. I will try and hunt down more information, nad follow the trial proceedings to get the full story

[vox]

"However, all nations of central and latin america, regardless of ideology, are developing economies and emerging markets..."

Less than a hundred years ago, Argentina was a wealthy nation. Now it's not. Again, I ask where are the "emerging markets" that have actually emerged? Brazil has enormous resources, but the West has taken them. It should be a rich country, but poverty is profound there. Where have neoliberal policies ever worked?

As for ExxonMobil, isn't providing support exactly what the US accused Afghanistan of doing after Sept. 11? Material and logistic support. It seems clear enough to me.

"Again, should we compromise leegitimate business as a means to stop warlords? or should we stop the warloards themselves?"

Should we support "legitimate" business that supports warlords ("Report after report from human-rights organizations has established the complicity of Canadian, European and Asian oil companies.") or not? The fact remains that corporate investment is not a means to a good society.

"I will try and hunt down more information, nad follow the trial proceedings to get the full story"

This is good, but CI won't find much about it outside of Left publications, because the "liberal" media does not cover such things, especially indepth. Also, expect to wait 20 years, for, as the Union Carbide (which Dow bought) example shows us, justice is long in coming, and fleeting at best.

vox

[queen of diamonds]

I'm liberal, anti-ignorance, and pro-truth (whatever it may be...)

[komsomol]

International-Liberal-Communist

[pastradamus]

Quote: from Supermodel on 7:02 pm on Aug. 9, 2002
Diva-humanist-Christian-feminist-Guevarist-high-heeled-lipstick-wearing-blonde-sassy-kick-ass-feedomist-tribalist-internationalist-democratic-moderate-educationalist-open-minded-mommy.


HAhahaha,lmao! brilliant!

[pastradamus]

Irish republican-Democratic-Socialist,leaning liberal.

[LeonardoDaVinci]

Democratic Socialist

[Moskitto]

Digger (In 2 contexts)

[Americana]

LardLad, Vox, Concerned, CI

25 WORDS OR LESS DAMMIT>