What's the 3 dumbest things you heard... - ...a right winger

[Linksradikaler]

Here's my list:

1) "This West Nile virus thing is bioterrorism being released by Fidel Castro. See, he releases infected birds from Cuba and they fly right to New Orleans."

Gee, genius. Then why isn't FLORIDA the leading state for WNV cases?

2) "The reason we haven't invaded Iraq yet is because it's too hot. We're waiting for it to cool off."

Yeah. Maybe we're waiting for lower air fare, too, huh? Gotta plan vacations carefully.

3) "The market is now FULLY VALUED. Under Clinton it was a BUBBLE, hyperinflated. Now it's right again."

Uh huh. And the people being laid off are fully valued, too, I guess. Right? LOL.

[Michael De Panama]

Jesus, what idiot told you this?

[Capitalist Imperial]

The last comment is legitimate. The market is fully valued. Accurate valuation of the market has nothing to do with unemployment. The statement is merely pointing out that the valuation of the market more closely follows its true "book value", no matter what the condition of the market itself is.

Who made these comments?

[Supermodel]

These are really funny!!!!!

I'll add a few from my lifetime:

Working mothers can have it all!!!

The USA is a democracy.

One man, one vote.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Supermodel on 7:10 pm on Aug. 8, 2002
These are really funny!!!!!

I'll add a few from my lifetime:

Working mothers can have it all!!!

The USA is a democracy.

One man, one vote.

"The USA is a democracy."

"One man, one vote."

OK, SM, the 1st comment about working mothers is much too arbitrary to start a debate over, but could you explain why you think these other 2 are incorrect or funny?

Please be specific.

[new democracy]

the u.s.a isnt democracy!!!! there is a smal ruling elite!!!! ordinary epople dont run the show!!!!!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Yes they do, sir. We are a democratic republic. We vote in our representatives at the state and local levels. We also vote direct on many propositions and ballot measures.

Jimmy Carter, our 38th president (or 36th or 37th, maybe), was a peanut farmer, that seems pretty "ordinary" to me.

[new democracy]

a wealthy farmer or poor farmer?

[Supermodel]

Come on, CI, you know it takes tens of millions to get an elected slot in America today, and these don't come in $10 a pop from Joe Sixpack.

Most politicians are bought and sold by large corporations. If you believe that the political will of large corporations (and not for profits, religious organizations (the Catholic church is in the top ten political contributors) and of course foreign countries), represents the will of the people, fine.

For this reason, the concept of one man one vote is invalid. One dollar one vote would be a more accurate statement.

Jimmy Carter? I rest my case........

[Ymir]

A peanut farmer with a nuclear physics degree who worked on submarines.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Supermodel on 7:10 pm on Aug. 8, 2002

One man, one vote


Its true, ive seen pictures of this one man that has the vote

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Supermodel on 7:37 pm on Aug. 8, 2002


Come on, CI, you know it takes tens of millions to get an elected slot in America today, and these don't come in $10 a pop from Joe Sixpack.

Most politicians are bought and sold by large corporations. If you believe that the political will of large corporations (and not for profits, religious organizations (the Catholic church is in the top ten political contributors) and of course foreign countries), represents the will of the people, fine.

For this reason, the concept of one man one vote is invalid. One dollar one vote would be a more accurate statement.

Jimmy Carter? I rest my case........



"Come on, CI, you know it takes tens of millions to get an elected slot in America today, and these don't come in $10 a pop from Joe Sixpack."

Not necessarily. When we receive our voter pamphlets, all representatives of all parties, as well as their respective political stances, are on them. This comes at no cost. Parties like peace/freedom, green, and even communist are on these local and national pamphlets, as well as the ballots in November. It is the citizens' responsiblility to read up on this information to make a good decision.


"Most politicians are bought and sold by large corporations. If you believe that the political will of large corporations (and not for profits, religious organizations (the Catholic church is in the top ten political contributors) and of course foreign countries), represents the will of the people, fine."

These arrangements cannot force the will of the people at the polls, that is exclusively a function of the citizen's ideologies. Also, to maintain office, politicians must support legislation in the interests and demands of their constituency, otherwise they face non re-election or even recall. We also vote directly on many propositions, bond measures, and referrendums. Of course, I agree the system could use some tweaking, but special-interest soft money reform is a major issue being addressed by or current government.


"For this reason, the concept of one man one vote is invalid. One dollar one vote would be a more accurate statement."

I disagree for the reasons I stated above.

"Jimmy Carter? I rest my case........"

LOL, I never said he was a good prez, I said he was "ordinary people" that acheived the office of the presidency.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Ymir on 7:37 pm on Aug. 8, 2002
A peanut farmer with a nuclear physics degree who worked on submarines.


So what? That is a good thing. I don't know about you, but that is the kind of intelligence theat I would look for if I was looking for the leader of the worlds most powerful nation.

Do you suggest we get a blue collar worker with little world experience just for the sake of saying we have a "commom man" in the oval office?

That would be counter-intuitive to fulfilling the demands of the american presidency.

[Supermodel]

CI, the people may elect who GOES to office, the corporations and organizations tell the politicians what to do when they get there.

LOL with you at Jimmy Carter. At least the man had a good moral character......

Funky monk, LMFAO!!!!

[Linksradikaler]

Let's go even further. What are the three dumbest things you've EVER heard from right wingers? Here's my list:

1) "The Civil War wasn't about slavery. It was about states' RIGHTS!"

Uh huh. States' rights to do what? Answer: ALLOW SLAVERY, dickbreath.

2) "Supply side economics worked in the 80s and it will work now."

Yeah. Cut taxes on the rich so they can buy Italian suits, French cheese and Mercedes Benzes in New York, or cut taxes on us working slobs so we can buy Fords, Kraft and Levis down at Fred's Five and Dime right here in town? What's better for the economy? Hmmmm....Let's ask the 10% of the population that stayed unemployed during the Reagan-Bush era.

3) "Some of my best friends are black (Mexican, Jewish), but..."

Gee. Why are your best friends never at your house...or even in your neighborhood?

[Tkinter1]

"Let's go even further. What are the three dumbest things you've EVER heard from right wingers? Here's my list:

1) "The Civil War wasn't about slavery. It was about states' RIGHTS!"

Uh huh. States' rights to do what? Answer: ALLOW SLAVERY, dickbreath."

What does that have to do with being on the right wing???



(Edited by Tkinter1 at 11:12 pm on Aug. 8, 2002)

[Americana]

CI, i cant believe you haven't listed the 3 dumbest things a left winger has said yet.
please do.


(Edited by Americana at 6:32 pm on Aug. 8, 2002)

[American Kid]

"Communism's the way"

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Americana on 11:16 pm on Aug. 8, 2002
CI, i cant believe you haven't listed the 3 dumbest things a left winger has said yet.
please do.


(Edited by Americana at 6:32 pm on Aug. 8, 2002)


You know, you're right, give me a few, i'll dojust that. It nmay take a while, though, I have somuch too choose from. It will be like trying to find the top 3 olive oils in italy.

[vox]

It's only one, not three, but I doubt anyone can top the Ann Coulter quote I posted about in Politics:

www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=11&topic=1926

[Capitalist Imperial]

yeah, that was pretty bad

I think ms. coulter is considered a little bit fanatical even among rightists on this bord

[new democracy]

1: u.s.a is a democracy
answer:its an elite rule every president has milions of dolars in his pocket. ordinary people dont run the show.
2: israel is a democracy
answer: its an elite rule just like the u.s. also there is a law that says that the goverment can make settelments only for jews nad jews and arabs cant married.
3: cuba is a democracy
answer: its an elite rule just like the u.s and israel!!!!

[Stormin Norman]

Well, this week I have had one leftist try to tell me that the first corporations weren't in business to make a profit, and few other leftists who tried to convince me how courageous the act of suicide remains. A few weeks ago some hippy leftist tried to claim that we'd be better off if we withdrew into the woods and ate berries like the smurfs. Of course, I could go on for hours, but I digress.

[Linksradikaler]

Stormin:

The leftist telling you about corporations was technically correct, though its debatable. Of course corporations wanted to make a profit, but that's not their first order of business. The first corporations (called "Joint Stock Companies") were invented PRIMARILY to deflect liability. If I own a business alone and break some law (or contract or agreement, etc.) while doing business, I alone am liable and am likely to lose 100% of my shirt should I be taken to court. BUT, if I get together with ten of my friends and become equal partners in the holdings of a JSC, we spread the liability thinner, so that losses are less destructive to our pocketbooks.

The original joint stock companies go back to about the 15th century in Europe, and back then they were under pretty tight government control. JSCs came to America with the British and were used by the crown to funnel raw materials and agricultural goods out of the colonies.

Even after the revolution, which was as much about freedom from British corporate hegemony as it was about freedom from Britain, Americans kept a very close eye on corporations. Read a biography of Andrew Jackson. He was teh last President before Clinton to wipe out the national debt and he HATED corporations. He thought anyone who would hide himself inside a corporation to do business was a coward and a fool.

*Sigh* Where have the men like him gone?

http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/28/usa.html

[marxistdisciple]

Ci, I believe you are talking abouit me, and I did correct myself. the first corporations only used shareholder profits as an aim to improve life for people. Corporations in early america were designed to allow big projects to be undertaken, then disolved after it had happened. when the project was disolved, the profits were split. the compnaies had to be chartered by citizans, and would be disolved if they broke the law, or tried to venture into areas they were not designed for. Citizans could revoke their rights at anytime if necessary. here's the link; (which vox already gave you)

http://free.freespeech.org/americanstatete...rateHidden.html (http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/plutocracy/CorporateHidden.html)

Thanks linksrad, your link backs it up too :)

[concerned]

Quote: from Linksradikaler on 2:41 pm on Aug. 9, 2002
Read a biography of Andrew Jackson. He was teh last President before Clinton to wipe out the national debt and he HATED corporations.



Clinton didn't wipe out the national debt

[Nateddi]

The civil war was about states rights, not slavery.

[Linksradikaler]

*Sigh*

States' rights to do WHAT? Tell us, Nateddi.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Linksradikaler on 5:57 pm on Aug. 9, 2002
*Sigh*

States' rights to do WHAT? Tell us, Nateddi.




*sigh*

go read up on pre-civil war politics. why should we have to prove our knowldge to you? you are the one who obviously does not understand the full scope of the civil war and all of its issues

[Stormin Norman]

Thanks Lindradlicker,

I am well aware of the history behind corporations. Do you still contend that profit was not the underlying motive. You said it yourself. the king was using them as a way to funnel resources back to England. For what purposes did he want those resources? To build a larger navy (for conquest) and to sell on the market (profit) remained the two most notable uses for such material. Tobacco built this country. Isn't it ironic that it is under attack by the left, which gets billions in revenue through taxation of this product?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Whether the original focus was on profit maiximization or liability limitation (which is basically lowering costs), the focus was still on bottom line returns on investment, the fundamental purpose of business.

[Supermodel]

Here's some more from the Corporate world:

"Margarine is far better for you than butter"

"Smoking is not habit-forming"

"Silicone implants are perfectly safe"

"Thalidomide is a great drug for nausea during pregnancy"

"Union Carbide is pleased to create so many jobs in poor parts of India"

"Bayer Aspirin.....from the company that used Jewish slave labor during WWII and killed off whoever slacked...."

"Siemens....a great German hardware company that, oh yes, made gas chambers during WWII, and nice big crematory ovens to go along with them"


Hey, I'm going back into the woods now to pick some more smurfberries. It's a lot more fun than working on a summer afternoon. Anyone what to join in?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Supermodel on 6:55 pm on Aug. 9, 2002
Here's some more from the Corporate world:

"Margarine is far better for you than butter"



"Smoking is not habit-forming"


"Silicone implants are perfectly safe"


"Thalidomide is a great drug for nausea during pregnancy"


"Union Carbide is pleased to create so many jobs in poor parts of India"

It was, that sentiment has nothing to do with the tradedy.


"Bayer Aspirin.....from the company that used Jewish slave labor during WWII and killed off whoever slacked...."



"Siemens....a great German hardware company that, oh yes, made gas chambers during WWII, and nice big crematory ovens to go along with them"

Hey, I'm going back into the woods now to pick some more smurfberries. It's a lot more fun than working on a summer afternoon. Anyone what to join in?




"Margarine is far better for you than butter"

Relatively speaking,it is.

"Smoking is not habit-forming"

When was that from, 1965?


"Silicone implants are perfectly safe"

From 1975?

"Thalidomide is a great drug for nausea during pregnancy"

Are there adverse effects of thalidomide on pregnant mothers or their babies? I honestly don't know.


"Union Carbide is pleased to create so many jobs in poor parts of India"

It was, that sentiment has nothing to do with the tradedy.


"Bayer Aspirin.....from the company that used Jewish slave labor during WWII and killed off whoever slacked...."

How far back in history are we going to go to attack contemporary corporate America?

"Siemens....a great German hardware company that, oh yes, made gas chambers during WWII, and nice big crematory ovens to go along with them"

see above

"Hey, I'm going back into the woods now to pick some more smurfberries. It's a lot more fun than working on a summer afternoon. Anyone what to join in?"

Just don't eat any more of their mushroom homes, they make you act funny

[guerrillaradio]

I think Capitalist's claim that all Communists were the same, that "socialism equals Guevara equals Lenin equals Mao equals Stalinism" must be up there somewhere.

[vox]

"Smoking is not habit-forming"

When was that from, 1965?


Short memory, CI? Don't you recall the House hearing about this very thing back in 1994?

Let me refresh your memory:

MR. WYDEN. Let me begin my questioning on whether or not nicotine is addictive. Let me ask you first, and I'd like to just go down the row, whether each of you believes that nicotine is not addictive. I heard virtually all of you touch on it. Yes or no, do you believe nicotine is not addictive?

MR. CAMPBELL (President of Philip Morris U.S.A.).
I believe nicotine is not addictive, yes.

MR. WYDEN. Mr Johnston?

MR. JAMES JOHNSTON (Chairman and CEO of RJ Reynolds Tobacco Company). Mr. Congressman, cigarettes and nicotine clearly do not meet the classic definition of addiction. There is no intoxication.

MR. WYDEN. We´ll take that as a "no." Again, time is short. I think that each of you believe that nicotine is not addictive. We would just like to have this for the record.

MR. TADDEO (President of U.S. Tobacco).
I don´t believe that nicotine or our products are addictive.

MR. TISCH (Chairman and CEO of Lorillard Tobacco Company).
I believe that nicotine is not addictive.

MR. HORRIGAN (Chairman and CEO of Liggett Group).
I believe that nicotine is not addictive.

MR. SANDEFUR (Chairman and CEO of Brown and Williamson Tobacco Company).
I believe that nicotine is not addictive.

MR. DONALD JOHNSTON (President and CEO of American Tobacco Company).
And I, too, believe that nicotine is not addictive

[vox]

"Are there adverse effects of thalidomide on pregnant mothers or their babies? I honestly don't know."

WTF????

England. Thousands of birth defects. Ring a bell?

Of course, the US government, according to right-wingers, "interfered with free enterprise" and didn't allow the drug to be released here. Too bad, huh?

vox

[Capitalist Imperial]

You have me here, Vox. I will make no representation to back corporate tobacco, I'm sure this is one of the few subjects that we agree upon.

Thanks for the info. Although I remember the Senate tobacco hearings of the mid-90's, I didn't realize that big tobacco brass was actually maintaining denial of the addictive effects of nicotine at that time.

[vox]

"Union Carbide is pleased to create so many jobs in poor parts of India"

It was, that sentiment has nothing to do with the tradedy.


Bullshit. CI doesn't mention the incredible neglect (http://webpages.marshall.edu/~ewen/UnCarb.htm) that Union Carbide showed in operating the plant, and its behavior after the fact is nothing short of sickening.

vox

[Capitalist Imperial]

The article itself states that union carbide is attemping reparations, albiet slow, and significant legistlation has been passed and employed to ensure prevention of a disaster like this again.

[vox]

Actually, the article says that "The legal response amounted to a process of 'delay, denial, [and] disregard' (Sarangi 6)."

What CI characterizes as reparations is actually legal stalling. According to the LA Times, "Victims complain that compensation payments, averaging about $580 each, cannot even cover loans many took out to pay medical bills, funeral costs and other expenses." (Source (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0830-01.htm))

I find little comfort in what companies do after a tragedy when they were not following safety procedures before the tragedy.

vox

[boadicea88]

I can't write out all the dumb quotes from my mom- there are too many. She can not accept that I'm a commie and insists on trying to change my mind. I hate that. I'm old enough to make my own choices.

At least my mom didn't say this one, my friend Robert's mom did (paraphrased a bit. OK, a lot):

ROBERT: Mom, I'm a communist

HIS MOM: The people who killed the Jews?!

[Nateddi]

LOL

how ironic, one of the reasons hitler killed the jews was because many were involved in the communist organisations. how ironic, the russian revolution was led by mainly jews, and the founder of communism is a jew.

LOL

im sorry to hear this boadicea, i believe i have heard similar at one point or another :(

[Moskitto]

are the one who obviously does not understand the full scope of the civil war and all of its issues

And to quote the Simpsons.

Examiner: And your last question, What was the cause of the civil war
Apu: There were many causes for the civil war, amoung them socio-economic factors between the prosperous...
Examiner: Just say slavery
Apu: Slavery
Examiner: Congratulations, you have passed your citizenship test.
Apu: Yes, I am now an American

[boadicea88]

Oh my god. I really can't believe I read this, and all from the same person:

"Both Communism and the CIA are instruments of the corporate elite."

"Second-wave feminism is part of a wacky plot by the super rich to enslave mankind in a feudal fascist world government administrated by the UN. This is the 'New World Order'."

"By making women compete with men for the male role, feminism is classic Communist 'divide and rule'. They use race and class as well."

"Feminists say they want to stop 'sexism'. This is classic Communist 'doublespeak'."

"Men-- steer clear of any sexual relationships when you are not in charge."

WHATS FUCKING WRONG WITH THIS??????? I'll tell you what- the writer...




























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Henry Makow, Ph.D. Hmmmmmmmmmm......................
See here: www.rense.com/general28/prise.htm



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[DestinDisaster]

Quote: from new democracy on 10:53 am on Aug. 9, 2002

3: cuba is a democracy
answer: its an elite rule just like the u.s and israel!!!!


who said cuba was a democracy?