bay of pigs

[new democracy]

allot of people here say that the bay of pigs was sort of an election because the people didnt overthrow castro. well, you have to understand that allot of cuban were political prisonres. from what i saw on a movie in the history channel 300,000 dissidents were arrested in the day of the invasion!!! the rebels had no one to allied with!!! i am not a fan of castro or the americans, but now you can understand why castro survived the invasion.

[new democracy]

ANYONE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY?

[Capitalist Imperial]

The US trained rebel insurgents to start a revolution, and promised air and naval support.

When the invasion occured, the rebels went in, and attacked, but the US balked on the back up. What ensued was a slaughter of the rebels by cuban forces, and a lucky day for castro.

With US support, castro would have gone down.

[Supermodel]

The invasion lacked surprise, sufficient military superiority, or public support. The whole idea was dumb from a US standpoint and a huge success for Castro. As for 300,000 dissidents, how exactly could the Cuban military/police constrain that many people while waging war at Playa Giron? I doubt the USA has the capacity to hold 300,000 people all at once.(present prison company aside)

[new democracy]

they did not arrested the disidents at the same time of the inavision!!! a little bit before the inasion the disidents were arrested!!! not at the same time!!!

[Supermodel]

I believe the dissidents were restrained, I just seriously doubt the number you quoted.

[new democracy]

well, its from the biography of castro in the history chanel.

[queen of diamonds]

Let's all believe the history channel!!
Wherever it comes from, it's bound to be coloured by someone's perspective. Sorry.

[new democracy]

the movie look like a propoganda movie, they make it very drametic, it was more drametic then pol-pot biography. that show us that it was a propoganda movie and there were allot half truth, and distortions but you cant deny the fact that 300,000 got arrested.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from new democracy on 12:25 pm on Aug. 10, 2002
you cant deny the fact that 300,000 got arrested.

We just did. The Bay of Pigs was hugely embarassing for the US. I'm no Castroist, in fact I dislike the guy, but I was glad he kicked the CIA off his soil.

[President Dick Nixon]

The Bay of Pigs was a disgrace. Kennedy's soft on communism approach had him backing out of the invasion leaving the poor rebels stranded. He needed to have given full air support to the rebels and a real plan of action to overthrow the Castro dictatorship. Kennedy's soft approach prolonged the Cold War, caused the Cuban missile crisis, and is the reason why 11 million slaves are still stranded within miles of freedom.

[Xvall]

Funny 11 million slaves, seing as about 9 million rallied recently to support their 'slave owner'.

[President Dick Nixon]

Fidel Castro has full authoritarian power over his people. Fidel Castro sends people that openly do not share his political leanings to prison or worse. It is very obvious that Cubans were intimidated to at the least give a bleak cheer at his rally, and don't pretend you do not know that. Cuba is the only dictatorship in the hemisphere, it is the only one-party state that suppresses all opposition. The slave Cubans are controlled and intimidated to do as the slave owner wishes; the free Cubans are patriotic to freedom and vote Republican for morality, justice, and freedom. You and I both know if Castro was as popular as you assume he is, he would not be afraid of fair elections. Stop buying into all the Castro propaganda, you liberal freedom-hating scum.

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Castro is ideologically against elections.

" The slave Cubans are controlled and intimidated to do as the slave owner wishes; the free Cubans are patriotic to freedom and vote Republican for morality, justice, and freedom"

What a load of BS. You sound like something out of a "Vote Republican" brochure.

[Moskitto]

you liberal freedom-hating scum.

I think you'll find that conservatives are the freedom hating scum. It is the Conservative party which was blocking measures such as lowering the age of consent for homosexual relationships, removal of section 28, and fiercly opposing canabis decriminalisation. However the Liberal party was supporting precisely what the Conservative party was opposing so fiercly. It's the Conservatives who hate freedom so much, not the Liberals. Stop buying into all the Bush propaganda, you Conservative freedom-hating scum.

[President Dick Nixon]

"Castro is ideologically against elections."

Thats all well and nice, Mac OS (which is another great example of capitalist superiority), but that does not excuse anything. This is an overly obvious statement. Leaders that do not allow free elections are indeed ideologically against them, captain obvious.

Furthermore, Mac OS, my "load of BS" was all true, and you know that.


Moskitto, you are an immoral liberal airhead. You have ignored the bulk of my post and have instead focused on my hot phrase at the end. What else can I expect from someone that sympathises with drug users and homosexuals. Someday you will grow up and you shall no longer be supportive of such rebellious legislation. The Conservative party is the party of morality in Britain, I will always support their anti-drug and pro-family sentiments.

[Moskitto]

Moskitto, you are an immoral liberal airhead. You have ignored the bulk of my post and have instead focused on my hot phrase at the end. What else can I expect from someone that sympathises with drug users and homosexuals. Someday you will grow up and you shall no longer be supportive of such rebellious legislation. The Conservative party is the party of morality in Britain, I will always support their anti-drug and pro-family sentiments.

So you support freedom and support people following your morals only, right, that's actually called oppression, not freedom. Stop buying into all the Bush propaganda, you Conservative freedom-hating scum.

[President Dick Nixon]

Freedom is being able to have an environment of peace happiness and stability. I do not wish to have stoners in my neighbourhood or gay people offending everybody else in public. Your pseudo "freedom", liberal values only take away freedom from the majority in the name of a small and immoral minority. Why don't we legalize harder drugs, or even murder?

[Moskitto]

Why don't we legalize harder drugs, or even murder?

Well Canabis ---> Harder Drugs makes sense i suppose but where the fuck did you get the idea of legalising murder?

And who told you that homosexuality was immoral?

And also, were you aware that most homophobes have never met any homosexuals in real life.


(Edited by Moskitto at 11:21 pm on Aug. 10, 2002)

[new democracy]

“..well it’s also the Jews are an irreligious, atheistic, immoral bunch of bastards.”
- Nixon ". so you admiring a racist president, ha?

[Moskitto]

I was just about to quote your signatre NewDemocracy.

[President Dick Nixon]

Moskitto, it is obvious that legal drugs will lead to children on drugs, to communities greater infested with drug users, to children trying and getting addicted which otherwise would not have tried, to higher crime rates as a result of a higher number of people intoxicated, and so forth.

You in favor of legalizing such immoral and harmful behaviours. You support endangering everyone by liberating the scum of society.

I have never met a homosexual personally, correct. I had gay people go to my schools, I met gay people online. You know that the majority of people will get shivers coming down their spine from seeing two gays lip lock. The vision of gay people hugging and kissing is extremely repulsive. Even liberals like yourself would not watch gay people perform acts such as hand holding without feeling something wrong.

I do not wish to have a society on which a house shall belong to Mr. and Mr. somebody, I do not wish to have my children seeing gay people lip lock on common occasion, I do not wish to have homosexuality, which is undisputably unnatural to be promoted as a natural behaviour. This is exactly what you are suggesting.

This is exactly why I went all the way to the legalizing of murder. You support "liberating" an immoral minority, a move that shall overall degrade the general normal population. Why not "liberate" murderers? They too deserve to be free. Simply because they have committed a terrible thing once does not mean they are a threat to the population!

[President Dick Nixon]

"I was just about to quote your signatre NewDemocracy."

There is a staunch difference between the democratic right to all ethnic minorities, than to embrace certain immoral minorities, of such an action will undoubtably degrade, threaten, and endanger everyone else and the society itself.

[new democracy]

nixon was a criminal!!!! how would you explain watergait? your homphobua is sick!!!! by the way, i heard someone say that all homphobs are gays in the closet.............

[new democracy]

another thing: did you saw that futerama episode with richard nixon? i was realy funy!!!

[President Dick Nixon]

new democracy cannot rebunk my arguments and must therefore derail the thread into a different topic. Typical left behavior. I shall let you rant to succor yourself. Hopefully you shall come to your senses at some point.

[Moskitto]

This is exactly why I went all the way to the legalizing of murder. You support "liberating" an immoral minority, a move that shall overall degrade the general normal population. Why not "liberate" murderers? They too deserve to be free. Simply because they have committed a terrible thing once does not mean they are a threat to the population!

except, the whole point of liberalism is that it you can do what you want as long as it doesn't cause harm to anyone else, which murder does, homosexuality does not.

[President Dick Nixon]

Moskitto if it was as simple as that, everybody would be a liberal a very long time ago. I've stated to you how liberal policies on homosexuality and narcotics do in fact harm others. Perhaps they don't harm you, likely they don't harm you yet, you are only a teenager.

(Edited by President Dick Nixon at 11:56 pm on Aug. 10, 2002)

[new democracy]

"new democracy cannot rebunk my arguments and must therefore derail the thread into a different topic. Typical left behavior." no, i was just realy piss of because i am jewish!!!!
second, you didnt answer me. are you gay? i have nothing against this, i am just wondering.

[President Dick Nixon]

Am I gay?

LOL

no I am not.

[new democracy]

you dont think that you should apologise you FUCKING FASCIST BASTERD?

[President Dick Nixon]

Everybody who is not on the extreme left is a fascist. This is the most thrown around word in politics, especially by lefties.

[new democracy]

"Everybody who is not on the extreme left is a fascist. This is the most thrown around word in politics, especially by lefties." no i didnt say that, i said that someone that call some minority immoral is fascist. you know what i meant, you just dont want to aplogise.

[President Dick Nixon]

I consider the homosexual and drug user minorities as immoral, yes. This obvious suggests that I support fascism.

[new democracy]

their is nothing wrong in bieng gay, and in your signatre you called jews "immoral bunch of bastards" you FUCKING RACIST!!!!

[President Dick Nixon]

My signature is a quote from the real President Nixon.

again going away from the original discussion to discuss off topic matters.

Tell me why there is nothing wrong with being gay. You (as well as many other lefties) come to "I am right you are wrong" conclusions real quick without a great deal of reason.

[new democracy]

"My signature is a quote from the real President Nixon". true, but when your signature is something like that, that show your politcal view. your nickname is "president dick nixon"!!! your admiring an anti =-semite!!!!

[new democracy]

and what is so wrong about homosexuality?

[President Dick Nixon]

"true, but when your signature is something like that, that show your politcal view. your nickname is "president dick nixon"!!! your admiring an anti =-semite!!!!"

It shows my admiration of nixon as a president that spoke his mind and was not afraid to say what he believed. If it can please you, I am not an anti-semite. Speaking of people that admire anti-semites, the majority of the board members admire the racist Karl Marx.

"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. "
[...] (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/)


"and what is so wrong about homosexuality?"

More ignorance from the airhead left. If you actually bothered to read what I wrote previously in this thread, you would know.

(Edited by President Dick Nixon at 1:37 am on Aug. 11, 2002)

[new democracy]

and why dont you apologise?

[President Dick Nixon]

It is not my duty to apologise to you for your misinterpretation.

Perhaps you should apologise to me for not reading my posts, and later asking questions such as "why I believe homosexuality is immoral".

[new democracy]

la pen also claimed to be not anti-semite. "Speaking of people that admire anti-semites, the majority of the board members admire the racist Karl Marx." i am not an admire of marx but he was himself jewish!!!!

[new democracy]

i read all of your posts and it is complete bulshit!!!! apolgise for you i would rather die than apolgise to you!!!

[President Dick Nixon]

Marx hated Jews. He was a steadfast atheist and anti-semite as soon as he gained consciousness. Marx vehemently hated Jews, his hate was so strong considering Marx was an ethnic Jew himself.

Le Pen I could care less about. He had his own views on Jews I could care less what they were. Simply because le pen claimed to not be an anti semite (and lied according to most people), does not mean I am lying. I do not consider myself as an anti semite, you have the right consider me whatever you wish.

[new democracy]

you cant deny that nixon was a criminal and more paranoid than pol pot and stalin together.

[President Dick Nixon]

"you cant deny that nixon was a criminal and more paranoid than pol pot and stalin together."

ND,

You have contributed absolutely nothing to this thread. You have derailed the thread into different topics on three occasions after you knew that you were all out of arguments. You lose, and now you throw even more off-topic bullshit at me.



" read all of your posts and it is complete bulshit!!!! apolgise for you i would rather die than apolgise to you!!!"

Why don't you try to debunk them with logic and reason instead of dismissing them as "complete bullshit"

frankly, there is a hell of a lot more conservatives in the world that share my views, than "new democrats" ignorant nihilist airheads.

(Edited by President Dick Nixon at 1:58 am on Aug. 11, 2002)

[new democracy]

i change the thread? other people change the thread!!! it was started when drake dracoly talked about the pro castro demonstrations. if you go to the first page you will see that i oppose castro, and am the one that started the thread!!!

[new democracy]

and when you atacked me instead of defending your hero you practicly admit that i was right.

[President Dick Nixon]

Myself and mosquitto were having a civil debate (which I won) on general conservative values such as pro-family and anti-drug policies.

You jumped in out of no where, I am assuming not reading any previous posts, and you posted:
"nixon was a criminal!!!! how would you explain watergait? your homphobua is sick!!!! by the way, i heard someone say that all homphobs are gays in the closet............."


this dragged the thread off topic. you later made another off-topic comment:
"no, i was just realy piss of because i am jewish!!!!
second, you didnt answer me. are you gay? i have nothing against this, i am just wondering."

we got into a mini discussion about nixon's antisemitism and you alleging me of being one. After I succesfully debunked that claim, you made another off topic question in your next post:
"and what is so wrong about homosexuality?"

[President Dick Nixon]

I attacked you and defended Richard Nixon. I recommend you re-read.

[new democracy]

maybe i did change some topics. not on purpes, but maybe i did. but you claim that i change topics to defend castro and i oppose castro. tell you what, we will stop argue about nixon here and i will start a new thread called richard nixon and there we will disscuse about him there o.k?

[President Dick Nixon]

I never claimed that you defended castro. My anti-castro statements were directed at Drake Dracoli and some other earlier posters.

[new democracy]

alright. i allreaady start the richard nixon thread.