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concerned
8th August 2002, 03:07
Bombs Rock Colombian Capital; At Least 12 Killed

BOGOTA, Colombia — Huge explosions rocked the area around Colombia's parliament and presidential palace Wednesday as hard-liner Alvaro Uribe was sworn in as president of this troubled country. At least 12 people were killed and 28 wounded, police said.


Three blasts went off several blocks from parliament as Uribe entered the building to take the oath of office from Senate leader Luis Alfredo Ramos. Uribe has vowed to wipe out rebels who have been fighting Colombian governments for 38 years.

At least one explosion also went off adjacent to the nearby presidential palace, wounding a policeman, who staggered bloodied from the scene. The blast chipped the stone wall of the palace and blew out windows.

Police said 12 people were killed and 28 wounded in a total of six explosions. But Alfonso Cuevas, chief of the pathologist's office, said 16 people died, including several children. It was impossible to immediately reconcile the numbers.

Uribe did not mention the explosions in his inaugural address.

"The world must understand that this conflict needs unconventional, transparent and imaginative solutions," the new president said.

Ramos said Uribe was "serene" when informed of the attacks.

Government warplanes were seen streaking above the capital after the blasts.

Witnesses reported seeing 10 dead bodies in the street and in a demolished shack in the poor Cartucho neighborhood, five blocks from parliament. The attorney general's office also said at least two other people died in the explosion closer to parliament.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the blasts. However, members of the country's main rebel group, the leftist Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, often use inaccurate homemade mortars in their attacks.

"The FARC did this, but Uribe is going to make them sorry. They will pay," said Maria Luz Valenzuela, whose home was rattled by the blasts.

Concerned about a rebel assassination attempt, Uribe had forgone the traditional outdoor ceremony in Bogota's colonial central plaza and moved the swearing in to the parliament building.

Army troops quickly sealed off the Cartucho neighborhood after the explosions. The government has been tearing down shanties in Cartucho in recent months as part of an urban renewal program, and resentment against authorities has been running high. Some residents threw rocks at the soldiers, while others wept.

"There's no escaping poverty or violence," said a man who identified himself only as Jose. A woman standing next to him sobbed, saying her husband had died in the blasts.

Troops had patrolled the streets and combat helicopters thundered overhead during the inauguration.

Hours earlier, small bombs exploded in several neighborhoods of the capital, slightly injuring six people and blowing out windows and chunks of sidewalk. No one immediately claimed responsibility.

In the countryside, suspected rebels fired homemade mortars at a military base, but instead hit 20 houses and a school, which were heavily damaged, the army said. There was no immediate word of casualties in the attack near Yopal, 130 miles northeast of Bogota.

Amid unconfirmed police reports that rebels had planned to crash a plane into parliament, Bogota's airspace was closed and an American P3 plane staffed with U.S. Customs Service and Colombian air force personnel patrolled overhead.

The White House had no immediate comment on the explosions, but spokesman Sean McCormack said members of the U.S. delegation at the inauguration were not harmed.

The presidents of Panama, Argentina, Venezuela, Ecuador and Honduras also attended and were not hurt, officials said.

Hopes were high that Uribe can end the war that has sapped the potential of Colombia, a gateway between Central and South America that is a three-hour flight from Miami.

At 50, Uribe has worked in government for half his life. A lawyer with degrees from Harvard and Oxford, he served two terms in the Senate, was mayor of his native Medellin, director of Colombia's civil aviation authority and governor of violence-ravaged Antioquia state.

Uribe inherits the decades-old war with rebels, violence that kills some 3,500 people every year. The war pits the leftist FARC against an outlawed right-wing paramilitary group and the government.

Uribe's father was shot to death during an apparent rebel kidnapping attempt in 1983. The new president has been the target of more than a half dozen assassination attempts, including a deadly attack on his motorcade during the election campaign.

But he insists that his stance against the rebels is not motivated by revenge, and pledges to be equally tough against right-wing militias and drug traffickers. He's also promised to take on government corruption and reform the tax code.

Uribe, a workaholic and teetotaler, warned in a radio interview Wednesday that he cannot perform miracles.

"To the Colombians I say: Expect action every day, but not miraculous results."

Uribe had planned immediately after being sworn in to propose a referendum to almost halve the number of lawmakers and merge the two houses of parliament .

The frontal attack on the entrenched political class could provoke a pitched battle with the same congress he needs to support his other reforms.

Uribe says the reforms will cut back on government waste and allow more money to be diverted to fighting the war. He's also hoping to secure more funding from the United States, which in the past two years gave Colombia $1.7 billion, mostly in military aid.

His term in Medellin coincided with the reign of drug king Pablo Escobar, and Uribe has been dogged by allegations he was tied to drug traffickers. He denies it, saying his family's ties to the Ochoa family, many of whom were important lieutenants in Escobar's Medellin Cartel, are based on a love of expensive horses, not drug running.

Uribe enjoys broad support from the White House, which sent a delegation that included Trade Representative Robert Zoellick and U.S. drug czar John Walters.

"He understands that security means eliminating the extremes on the left and the right and eliminating the drugs that fund those organizations," Walters said.

Uribe's predecessor, Andres Pastrana, tried for three years to negotiate a peace with the FARC. The talks broke down in February without achieving substantial results.

From:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,59845,00.html

PunkRawker677
8th August 2002, 03:40
This is posted in the news section..

concerned
8th August 2002, 03:48
I had not realized that, I am banned from the news section, so how would I know.
I just think it is important that people know what is going on in Colombia, so few news from Colombia actually make it to the international press...

PunkRawker677
8th August 2002, 03:50
Are you banned from viewing it?
And i wasn't saying it in a bad way, i was just letting you know. Its just kind of clutters everything and negates the point of the news forum if news is posted in various parts of the board.

concerned
8th August 2002, 03:57
You are right, my mistake. Sorry about that.

Capitalist Imperial
8th August 2002, 04:55
Uribe and the USA will soon eradicate FARC's stronghold on columbian terror activities.

concerned
8th August 2002, 16:49
Yes CI, that's what everybody in Colombia is hoping for. That is the reason Uribe won by such an overwhelming majority, because he was the only hardliner there. People are sick and tired of the guerrillas.

Capitalist Imperial
8th August 2002, 18:18
Concerned...

On behalf of the people of the United states, I would like to recognize and commend you and the other people of Colombia for your overwhelming majority vote for freedom and justice in President-Elect Uribe.

Working together, The USA and the Uribe-led Colombia will destroy FARC and other narco-terrorists, and their reign of killing and terror.

Good Job

IzmSchism
8th August 2002, 20:42
The economist is usually pretty good for information concerning Colombia, this week has a small section devoted to the happenings.

Just a question to pose to the rest? Put aside the issues involved with the FARC, how else do you suppose they should raise their money (i.e, instead of drug trafficking and kidnapping)? It seems pretty obvious that there is no incentive for local farmers to raise crops of legal nature, there is no money in it for them, so what are there alternatives. (besides ending this civil war.) Just wondering.

concerned
9th August 2002, 00:16
>>Put aside the issues involved with the FARC, how else do you suppose they should raise their money (i.e, instead of drug trafficking and kidnapping)? It seems pretty obvious that there is no incentive for local farmers to raise crops of legal nature, there is no money in it for them, so what are there alternatives. (besides ending this civil war.) Just wondering.

I am not sure I fully understand your question. Are you asking how else can Farc raise funds so they can continue with the war??? Or what can they do to earn a living if they sign a peace deal?

If it is the first question, I don't really care. Why would you want to keep the war going? Colombia has gotten NOTHING positive out of it. Why would you be worried in finding legal ways to keep the war rolling? The guerrillas certainly have never been too worried about the methods they use to raise funds.

And what you say about there being no incentive for farmers to raise crops of legal nature is not very accurate. The government has offered substantial money for farmers who voluntarily choose to make the change from illegal to legal crops. And I wouldn't say that there is no money in it for them, there is, it is just not nearly as much money as with the illegal ones of course.

I would say that the cases in which the farmers find that the only way to survive is to grow drugs is rather rare, most of the time the reason to do get in to this is merely ambition.

Have you heard about "el acuerdo de los Pozos"?
I don't know if you've heard about this already, but when our last president Pastrana was trying desperately to come to some kind of agreement with the guerrillas to end the kidnapping of civilians and drug trafficking, Farc came with a proposal. The proposal was that the government should pay the guerrillas for all their financial expenses, so the leaders of Farc could continue to enjoy their luxurious lifestyle. In the mean time the government should commit fully and exclusively to fight the paramilitaries, while the guerrillas sit on their asses while both of their sworn enemies fight each other. Then the guerrillas would evaluate the results of the fight against the paramilitaries and they would condition the signature of a future peace deal to the government winning the war against them. Ha!! Almost nothing.

The funny thing is that after much debate the naive government even agreed to comply with these ridiculous conditions, but by that time the guerrillas got even more greedy and added even more ridiculous conditions to the deal.

IzmSchism
9th August 2002, 02:39
Yeah, it was the first question, my brain farted that one out......I just read an article by Chomsky and the US military aid.

Where in Colombia do you live?

concerned
9th August 2002, 04:31
IzmSchism, it would be nice if the guerrillas were at least trying to ask themselves that same question. But they don't really seem to care, and civilians for them are just another opportunity for easy money. They don't have any respect for human life or human rights. None whatsoever. They are really really selfish and just think about what is more convenient to them.

I am from Bogota btw.


(Edited by concerned at 4:54 am on Aug. 9, 2002)

IzmSchism
9th August 2002, 21:33
How hard do you think it would be to meet Manuel Marulanda? I think he is still the leader of the FARC. What is the area like near the rebel zone, what is Bogota like right now with everything happening?? Does he ever do interviews?

concerned
10th August 2002, 05:13
Quote: from IzmSchism on 9:33 pm on Aug. 9, 2002
How hard do you think it would be to meet Manuel Marulanda? I think he is still the leader of the FARC. What is the area like near the rebel zone, what is Bogota like right now with everything happening?? Does he ever do interviews?

geez, you want to interview Manuel Marulanda? That seems quite risky. Take care of yourself man, I'll be praying so that nothing bad happens to you there.

Yes, he does interviews, guerrilla people usually love to be on the spot light and receive lots of attention from the media and reporters, makes them feel important. When the peace process was rolling they use to give interviews for the media almost daily. Although actually most of them were really short and usually seemed more like open statements by the guerrillas than a real interview with real questions. That is also because guerrilla often picks who can interview them and who can't.

Anyway, I would have guessed that at that time it would have been a bit easier since at least locating them wasn't such of a problem, everybody knew where to find them, even if it was hard and incredibly risky to get there.

Right now you would have the additional problem of locating them. And when you do, you would have to convince them about the purpose of your interview and pass all the check points. And if you want to speak to Marulanda you better speak Spanish, because I don't believe anyone in there speaks a word of English. If you speak Spanish, but still cannot make any sense of what they are saying, well don't worry you are not alone in that, that happens too to most of us even though Spanish IS our native language.

Bogota is a mess right now by the way with all the latest terrorist wave. But then again that is nothing too unusual in Bogota either. I would say however that despite the terrorists attacks, people are somehow still hopefull that the new president will be able to deal with Colombia's many problems.


(Edited by concerned at 5:17 am on Aug. 10, 2002)