Remember when there were substantial arguments on this board

[Michael De Panama]

Those were the good days. What happened?

[Stormin Norman]

Micheal,

I apologize for getting on your case about grammar. It was petty, and I was wrong in my thinking. I got cocky and threw an off the cuff remark out their to belittle you. What ended up happening was I degraded myself. How's that for justice. I haven't slept and my mind is getting hazy. Its a poor excuse, but remains true.

However, I do believe that many of us offer substantial arguments. Just because I am not immune to immature attacks, does not mean that I have nothing to offer. Last night I was jumped by a couple of dumb shits and it has rubbeed off on me a little. Check out the "Stormin Moron" thread for the actual conversation, or lack there of. I shouldn't have done what I did and I will refrain from attacking you in the near future.

I agree, we should try to keep this civil, and maintain a certain level of "professionalism" when debating. I will keep this in mind, and make an honest attempt to keep it above the belt.

[PunkRawker677]

I think he is referring to the days before you came here, when semi-intelligent debates took place.

[Stormin Norman]

Well if most of you weren't semi-retarded this would never have happened. Its hard to debate when you have to deal with idiots. I sunk to your level. When I first came to this site my posts were clean and free from personal attacks. Then I got to know most of you, and have since had my attitude jaded by the lack of thought some of you put into your posts. This does not remain true for everyone here, and in no way excuses my behavior. Like I said, let's try to clean it up.

[vox]

Gosh darnit. I thought I had a couple substantial posts here (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=756) and here (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=732&start=30).

Maybe they weren't. I dunno.

All I really remember from "the good days" were very long exchanges between me and Augusto that no one else seemed very interested in.

vox

[peaccenicked]

I dont remember. From who? Imperial power. Surely not.

[IzmSchism]

I will tell you why you might think that arguments stink in this forum, it is because people spend too much time in the chit chat section trying to make friends or they are running out of knowledge, they have stopped reading.....READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it will save your life, then when you have found something intelligible to say, just bring it up, instead of all this petty bullshit and stopid threads addressed to CI and stomin normin' FUCKING RIICULOUS!!!!!!

[PunkRawker677]

Stormin. I have never debated with you and never will. I don't like this forum, i don't think it should exist, and i therefore rarely come here. So, before you go calling me semi-retarded, at least acknoledge the fact that we have never debated before.

Vox, your long, intricate debatesn with Augusto is something i remember and liked. Sure, i never interefered (for the same reasons i stated above), and because your much better at debating than i am, and i just liked to read your post.

Peace.. lol, i sure as hell wasnt referring to Imperial Power. I have seen more intelligence in my dog's shit.

[Stormin Norman]

I don't think that I called you semi-retarded. Like you said, we have never had the priviledge of debating one another, so I know nothing about you or your philosophy. If you would like to keep it that way, be my guest.

[Supermodel]

Is this a substantial argument or a fight?

[Stormin Norman]

What's up, Supermodel. Long time no see.

Lately, things have been getting ugly in here. That is why I should be let out of the monkey box and allowed to peruse through other forums. Let's let bigones be bigones, I promise to keep it clean and free of soc. vs cap. debate.

[James]

Its soc v's cap supermodel...

Whats been getting ugly?

[Supermodel]

Not me!

Cuter every day!

[Stormin Norman]

You sexy thing.

[Capitalist Imperial]

The down-trodden leftists have been beat to a pulp and can no longer formulate substantial, legitimate responses to posts based on superior capitalist edict.

Again, history repeats itself as left-ism falls into decline.

[IzmSchism]

man I know language is free, but when you associate language and CI's brain you get a model closely related to a jail cell, all boxed in. Need I remind you CI that you have merely pointed out your own weakness as well in this post of yours. I know I have been away for a while, and might have missed a few of your points, but I am sure they are loosely based, weak in substance and slanted and full of your bias.

[Imperial Power]

Hello,

For some reason I visited this site today and what do I find but your love for me is still showing after months. PunkRawk I appreciate it, I will have to meet your dog. Do insults make it feel like you reasoned away my logic? Now that school is starting soon I'll have time to get into some debates.

Adios Amigos de Rojo

[Brian]

'Imperial moron' speaks!

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 10:52 pm on Aug. 5, 2002
The down-trodden leftists have been beat to a pulp and can no longer formulate substantial, legitimate responses to posts based on superior capitalist edict.

Again, history repeats itself as left-ism falls into decline.

I was referring, specifically, to the large amount of nonsense stemming from your posts. All these constant unintelligent flames at communism without really providing any basis for an argument. The whole, "All you commies are stupid and anti-democracy." bit played over and over again. I think we're all very annoyed by constantly having to explain some things to you. The hardcore authoritarians on this site have been, for the most part, destroyed. The authoritarian communists make up a very small part of the communist population. Same for the "Stalin Soldiers" type people who really are just in this to have an excuse to blow shit up. Yet you portray these people as the perfect examples of what communism is all about.

You're so-called "intellectual superiority" that is bringing us down is in reality our own tolerance for your closed-minded intellectual inferiority. Your stubborn will to remain ignorant, no matter how many times we try to teach you.

And when I say "teach you", I'm not meaning "convert you". I'm not asking you to give in to our argument, necessarily, just that you have enough of an open mind to see who you're arguing with. What we really do stand for. I don't care if you agree, just as long as you understand.

The fact that you constantly resort to petty insults at communism without providing a substantial argument is an obvious implication of your lack of strength in your argument. I suggest you take note of this, and bring us an argument that's something that can't just be summed up by saying "fuck communism".

Stormin, I made this thread before I read your grammar correction thing. But thanks for the apology.

[Stormin Norman]

I have provided countless posts where I have posed serious questions, offering substantial arguments, which have been ignored by most of the leftists on this board. Instead they have chosen to attack me personally. This is why there are countless threads where I bite back, sometimes in haste. If the attack was unwarranted, I try to learn from it and avoid the same pitfall later. I guess the solution is not to discuss certain topics with certain people (peacenicked mainly). I think we can move forward to honest debate that requires a certain level of self constraint for all parties.