Militant Minded

[IzmSchism]

When is the US going to realize that the Cold War is over, that they can pull out of places like Okinawa and South Korea. The amount of money that is going into these such operations is useless, the destruction of foreign relations from having such bases is destructive, economically it has already proven that US intervention in SE Asia led to the 97 financial crisis.

The proud Imperialst morons who decide it is more important to spend the military budget (for re-election, Bush sr, texas contracts). The US violates treaties they have signed to stop selling weapons to countries like Taiwan, yet they keep on doing so. There is no way China will go to war over Taiwan, and there is no way the US could afford such a war for numerous reasons.

Why does this country feel like it has to interven in every othe countries daily affairs. You don't see Colombians ransacking American pharmecutical companies, or tobacco plantations. Why does every one impress that US democracy is the only way to run a country, and why is there only one Capitalist model that they assume works, Japan's economy flourished much faster than any other at the time of its boom, and now China as the world's fastest growing economy, yet it is an entirely different market.

I am frustrated with comments like CI's, and whoever else supports him, when it is so obvious that the blowback, or payback for all America's meddling is going to screw this world even more. Just wait and watch your fucking precious little country implode, IGNORANCE REIGNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Augusto]

I think Izm just had an orgasm.

[IzmSchism]

Basically what I am saying is that the US will last alot longer if they pull out of their allies respected countries, and do more of the way in building diplomatic relations and peace bridging, working on getting rid of land mines, et cetera, instead of building more and more weapons and maintaining some type of enemy. PULL OUT!!!

[Capitalist Imperial]

"Japan's economy flourished much faster than any other at the time of its boom"

That economy was implemented by the US based almost 100% on the US model.

"And now China has the world's fastest growing economy"

Based on its quasi-capitalist conversion

IzmScizm, America's allies want a US presence and investment in their territories.

It is you and other leftist gadflys who arbitrarily protest the current situation, not the source nations themselves.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 9:09 pm on Aug. 5, 2002
"Japan's economy flourished much faster than any other at the time of its boom"

That economy was implemented by the US based almost 100% on the US model.

"And now China has the world's fastest growing economy"

Based on its quasi-capitalist conversion

IzmScizm, America's allies want a US presence and investment in their territories.

It is you and other leftist gadflys who arbitrarily protest the current situation, not the source nations themselves.

what about the US base in Cuba? I'm sure Castro wants them there

[honest intellectual]

How can you call us "gadflys" [sic], while sycophantically defending US foreign policy?
China, Japan the US and other far-right countries may have good economies, but they only ever benefit the few. I always have to remind cappies that the economy in itself doesn't matter; the only thing that matters is people.

[vox]

Hmmm, I don't think the US military is particularly well-liked in Okinawa. Am I the only one who remembers the protests? Here's an example:

Thousands Form Human Chain Around American Air Base (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/072000-02.htm)

vox

[Stormin Norman]

from vox
Hmmm, I don't think the US military is particularly well-liked in Okinawa. Am I the only one who remembers the protests?

What about the countless other who stayed at home. I'm sure if you counted the people who generally liked the Americans and the culture they brought with them, you would find their numbers are greater than the few whining liberals who organized a protest. Why is it the loud ones are always the dumbest, and the silent majority goes unnoticed when they simply go about their daily lives?

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 9:31 pm on Aug. 5, 2002

from vox
Hmmm, I don't think the US military is particularly well-liked in Okinawa. Am I the only one who remembers the protests?


but sometimes the majority is silent because they are scared.

Before the civil rights movement don't you think all black people wanted to say something about how we were treated, but some were just to scared because they knew what would happen to them, theyed be lynched or something else
What about the countless other who stayed at home. I'm sure if you counted the people who generally liked the Americans and the culture they brought with them, you would find their numbers are greater than the few whining liberals who organized a protest. Why is it the loud ones are always the dumbest, and the silent majority goes unnoticed when they simply go about their daily lives?

[IzmSchism]

Japan's economy:
Japan's postwar economic theory didn't reinvent the capitalist wheel, as in the Western application of theory, but it was different in respect to the institutions of modern capitalism so that they would produce utterly different outcomes from the American model. Instead they organized a capitalist economy intended to serve the interests of producers over consumers. They forced Japan's citizens to save by providing little in the way of a safety net, they encouraged labour harmony regardless of what it did to individual rights, and they built industries based on the highest possible human input rather than simply on some naturally given comparative advantage, such as cheap labour or closeness to a larger market, i.e, China. At the time Japan was seen (thru the States) as an ally in cold war terms, anti communist, rather than a political economic competitor, oh boy did they fuck up. The amerikans opened up the doors and Japan created a export driven marketplace, at the suffering of the US. Guess who lost out in the end, the States growing trade debt and over-budgeted military establishment, or the not quite socialist and not quite american economic system, Japan, the states fucked up everything when Nixon, who possibly screwed the economic world since with the Bretton Woods agreement, which saw floating exchange rates and gave way to finacier capitalism.

But anyways in answer to your first reply, the economies were similar in that they were both modeled in the light of a market system, yet they were totally different.

For China, great they are figuring it out, I never said I was against a 'quasi capitalist system!!!"

They want a presence......oh man, is your mom Madeline Albright, How many possible examples are there, Indonesia, Korea, Okinawa. It costs more money to the Japanese in Okinawa to station the american troops there....and for what purpose? Japan has the third largest naval fleet in the world. The amerikans are trying to persuade Japan to latch onto its TMD (theatre missle defense) which is highly improbable in the first place due to its high sophistication. The soldiers that are staioned in these countries rape the women, spread their hedgmonic believes and drive drunk, they fly over 152 test misssions a day in Okinawa, every year they have to shut it down for one day so students can write their finals, dam, if I had to live in this type of environment, I for sure would want some arrogant fuck living next to me. Take this to the pentagon CI, re-emphasize the word defense in the Department of 'Defense',

And next time you want to refute me or challenge what I say, come at me with the real bomb diggidy shit, what you brought me was like a french fry without any vinegar or salt, or cheese and gravy, oh sweet poutine, hit me with the substance....I swear man, you are a JOKE.

[Stormin Norman]

The US violates treaties they have signed to stop selling weapons to countries like Taiwan, yet they keep on doing so

What treaty is this? Could you provide a link or give a specific name or number for the treaty? I am truly curious.

[IzmSchism]

well Stormin' .....

The US continues to sell arms to Taiwan in violation of agreements the Reagan administration signed with China during the 1980's (the communique of August 17, 1982, the US government promised gradually to reduce the quantity and not improve the quality of arms sold to Taiwan) These salesinclude 150 F-16 advanced fighter aircraft, which Bush agreed to sell in 92 presidential election campaign to garner votes in texas, where they were manufactured, Taiwan has an aviation far superior to the motherland and could easily attack and coastal Chinese city, which is an effective enough deterrent against any mainland attempt to invade the island, this is why china shoots missiles over Taiwan, and why the US want Taiwan to join on board for the TMD system.

[Stormin Norman]

Thanks Izm. You're alright.

I would be willing to bet that there have been breachs on the Chinese side, as well. Saber Ratteling, pure saber ratteling. However, I don't think we should assume that China would be completely deterred from an Taiwan invasion. We gave the Taiwanese our word to help them and should keep our word. That is why we should refrain from signing treatise to begin with. It puts us in a position where we have to compromise our credibility as a nation.

[IzmSchism]

What would the Chinese have done? I am curious, I do not like to assume. Maybe if you find out something you will let me know. Appreciate it, thanks. Come to think of it, firing test missiles over Taiwanese airspace must consitute some breach.......

[Stormin Norman]

I intended on looking into the matter further.

Gotta go to work now. Will have to get back later. I posted something from the Limbaugh Letter on the subject awhile back. Its under "Chinese threats", if you're interested. The article was pretty general, so I will look for more specifics. Bye for now.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 9:19 pm on Aug. 5, 2002

what about the US base in Cuba? I'm sure Castro wants them there


We were there b4 Castro.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from vox on 9:23 pm on Aug. 5, 2002
Hmmm, I don't think the US military is particularly well-liked in Okinawa. Am I the only one who remembers the protests? Here's an example:

Thousands Form Human Chain Around American Air Base (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/072000-02.htm)

vox


Granted, but does this group represent the entire contituency of Okinawa, the prefecture, or Japan?

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 10:58 pm on Aug. 5, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 9:19 pm on Aug. 5, 2002

what about the US base in Cuba? I'm sure Castro wants them there




We were there b4 Castro.

no shit, however we have no right to be their now


(Edited by Lardlad95 at 11:29 pm on Aug. 5, 2002)

[IzmSchism]

CI, thanks once again for your response, cmon, are you afraid?

and actually, Cuba once belonged to a branch of the Arawak Indians, then Colombus and the Spainiards, then in 1762, the British, and so on. then the pupetino Batista regime.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IzmSchism on 9:53 pm on Aug. 5, 2002
Japan's economy:
Japan's postwar economic theory didn't reinvent the capitalist wheel, as in the Western application of theory, but it was different in respect to the institutions of modern capitalism so that they would produce utterly different outcomes from the American model. Instead they organized a capitalist economy intended to serve the interests of producers over consumers. They forced Japan's citizens to save by providing little in the way of a safety net, they encouraged labour harmony regardless of what it did to individual rights, and they built industries based on the highest possible human input rather than simply on some naturally given comparative advantage, such as cheap labour or closeness to a larger market, i.e, China. At the time Japan was seen (thru the States) as an ally in cold war terms, anti communist, rather than a political economic competitor, oh boy did they fuck up. The amerikans opened up the doors and Japan created a export driven marketplace, at the suffering of the US. Guess who lost out in the end, the States growing trade debt and over-budgeted military establishment, or the not quite socialist and not quite american economic system, Japan, the states fucked up everything when Nixon, who possibly screwed the economic world since with the Bretton Woods agreement, which saw floating exchange rates and gave way to finacier capitalism.

But anyways in answer to your first reply, the economies were similar in that they were both modeled in the light of a market system, yet they were totally different.

For China, great they are figuring it out, I never said I was against a 'quasi capitalist system!!!"

They want a presence......oh man, is your mom Madeline Albright, How many possible examples are there, Indonesia, Korea, Okinawa. It costs more money to the Japanese in Okinawa to station the american troops there....and for what purpose? Japan has the third largest naval fleet in the world. The amerikans are trying to persuade Japan to latch onto its TMD (theatre missle defense) which is highly improbable in the first place due to its high sophistication. The soldiers that are staioned in these countries rape the women, spread their hedgmonic believes and drive drunk, they fly over 152 test misssions a day in Okinawa, every year they have to shut it down for one day so students can write their finals, dam, if I had to live in this type of environment, I for sure would want some arrogant fuck living next to me. Take this to the pentagon CI, re-emphasize the word defense in the Department of 'Defense',

And next time you want to refute me or challenge what I say, come at me with the real bomb diggidy shit, what you brought me was like a french fry without any vinegar or salt, or cheese and gravy, oh sweet poutine, hit me with the substance....I swear man, you are a JOKE.


"Japan's postwar economic theory didn't reinvent the capitalist wheel, as in the Western application of theory, but it was different in respect to the institutions of modern capitalism so that they would produce utterly different outcomes from the American model."

Small deviations from the original model, hardly "utterly different". It is the economy most similar to that of the US. Go read up on Edward Deming.

"Instead they organized a capitalist economy intended to serve the interests of producers over consumers."

OK, so the emphasise the supply side. A difference in emphasis does not constitute a difference in theory.

"They forced Japan's citizens to save by providing little in the way of a safety net"

Kind of like, oh, say, the US? (Social security is little in the way of a safety net).

"they encouraged labour harmony regardless of what it did to individual rights"

Do you mean like US labor unions?

"and they built industries based on the highest possible human input rather than simply on some naturally given comparative advantage, such as cheap labour or closeness to a larger market, i.e, China."

They are emphasising efficiencies of production, something any nation strives for, just like the US concept of JIT production. Japan utilizes foreign labor and competitive advantages, btw, they have to, their nation is lacking in natural resources. You need to research this more b4 you post this jibberish.

"At the time Japan was seen (thru the States) as an ally in cold war terms, anti communist, rather than a political economic competitor, oh boy did they fuck up."

No, not really actually, American economists understood that japan was booming, as it was in its super-early growth phase. Educated economists also knew it would eventually slow and stagnate, as capitalist economies tend to do after rapid growth, and that is exactly what happened.

"The amerikans opened up the doors and Japan created a export driven marketplace, at the suffering of the US."

??? Japans economy never surpassed ours, nor did it caude "suffering", could you be more specific?

"Guess who lost out in the end, the States growing trade debt and over-budgeted military establishment, or the not quite socialist and not quite american economic system, Japan"

What year are you in? Have you read a financial newspaper in the last decade? The US ecomnomy is larger, growing faster, and is more stable. Look at pacific rim economics again, and tell me who is "winning in the end". Just a fwe months ago the US congress was debating a bill providing for an economic bail-out of Japan, man you are ignorant.

"the states fucked up everything when Nixon, who possibly screwed the economic world since with the Bretton Woods agreement, which saw floating exchange rates and gave way to finacier capitalism."

The dollar is as strong and stable as heck! It is almost like you are posting the exact opposite of reality!

"But anyways in answer to your first reply, the economies were similar in that they were both modeled in the light of a market system, yet they were totally different."

see above, they were modeled not just after a mgeneric marcet system, but the american free-market system

'For China, great they are figuring it out, I never said I was against a 'quasi capitalist system!!!"

Neither did I, what is your point?

They want a presence......oh man, is your mom Madeline Albright, How many possible examples are there, Indonesia, Korea, Okinawa."

Examples of what? One sided opinions? How many examples are there of Japanese people loving all things american? It is embedded in its very culture.

"It costs more money to the Japanese in Okinawa to station the american troops there"

do you have a link showing what japan spends to accomodate the american base, compared to what japan receives in US dollars in their economy from US military personel and US government concessions? Let alone the security provided by the US presence in the pacific rim? Or did you just give a totally unsupported, dogmatic blanket statement?

....and for what purpose? Japan has the third largest naval fleet in the world."

By what measure? The # of ships? That says little about their overall naval power. They donot have 1 nuclear powered vessel, or a modern aircraft carrier. Besides, "third largest" in not saying much, when "2nd largest" isn't even 1/4 the size of the US Navy. Let use a little critical thinking here, genius.

"The amerikans are trying to persuade Japan to latch onto its TMD (theatre missle defense) which is highly improbable in the first place due to its high sophistication."

Nay-sayers like you said the same thing about nuclear power, landing on the moon, the airplane, and the skyscraper. I bet dollars to donuts that you are not an American. I can tell by your "can't-do" attitude.


"The soldiers that are staioned in these countries rape the women, spread their hedgmonic believes and drive drunk"

Come on, that is bad people being bad people, it has nothing to odo with the US base on Japan.

"They fly over 152 test misssions a day in Okinawa, every year they have to shut it down for one day so students can write their finals, dam, if I had to live in this type of environment, I for sure would want some arrogant fuck living next to me. Take this to the pentagon CI, re-emphasize the word defense in the Department of 'Defense'"

That is just logical, Japan is a good geographical choke-point to deflect attacks from the asian continent via the Pacific.

"And next time you want to refute me or challenge what I say, come at me with the real bomb diggidy shit, what you brought me was like a french fry without any vinegar or salt, or cheese and gravy, oh sweet poutine, hit me with the substance....I swear man, you are a JOKE."

Is this good enough? The joke is on you, Einstein.


(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 12:28 am on Aug. 6, 2002)

[Americana]

Personally, i'm glad that the US has taxpayer money invested in bases in other countries, sometimes, an american base is the only thing that keeps peace between a feuding nation. but even so, in cuba, we need a base there for intelligence. intelligence is the number one prevention mechanism for nuclear warfare.

To fight wars in Afghanistan, we have to have bases for our forces, you cant exactly fly a tank from the US to Afghanistan, kill a few hundred enemies and fly it home for fuel, ammunition, tactical regruoping, and crew shifts.

What would happen if china did a full frontal attack on the US? Our homeland bases might be wiped out... We would need forces in other locations to win the war.

[Brian]

How would you like it if the Arabs put a military base in your homeland and were shit to you.Thats how other people see it.Why should the U.S be the only one to put bases in other conutries? Why can't Russia put a base in Alaska? Why can't China put a base in Japan? What I'm getting is the U.S Military has no right to put military bases anywhere besides there own homeland.



(Edited by Brian at 4:26 am on Aug. 6, 2002)

[Brian]

Quote: from Americana on 1:36 am on Aug. 6, 2002
Personally, i'm glad that the US has taxpayer money invested in bases in other countries, sometimes, an american base is the only thing that keeps peace between a feuding nation. but even so, in cuba, we need a base there for intelligence. intelligence is the number one prevention mechanism for nuclear warfare.

To fight wars in Afghanistan, we have to have bases for our forces, you cant exactly fly a tank from the US to Afghanistan, kill a few hundred enemies and fly it home for fuel, ammunition, tactical regruoping, and crew shifts.

What would happen if china did a full frontal attack on the US? Our homeland bases might be wiped out... We would need forces in other locations to win the war.
Get that off of CNN.com?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Brian on 10:14 am on Aug. 6, 2002
How would you like it if the Arabs put a military base in your homeland and were shit to you.Thats how other people see it.Why should the U.S be the only one to put bases in other conutries? Why can't Russia put a base in Alaska? Why can't China put a base in Japan? What I'm getting is the U.S Military has no right to put military bases anywhere besides there own homeland.



(Edited by Brian at 4:26 am on Aug. 6, 2002)


"How would you like it if the Arabs put a military base in your homeland and were shit to you.Thats how other people see it."

No, that is how some people see it, including you leftists, not everyone.

"Why should the U.S be the only one to put bases in other conutries?"

Geographical and logistical necessity.

"Why can't Russia put a base in Alaska?"

Why would they need to?

"Why can't China put a base in Japan?"

They can ask Japan if they want, but the 2 nations aren't exactly allies.

"What I'm getting is the U.S Military has no right to put military bases anywhere besides there own homeland."

To the contrary, Brian, they have every right to if the host country voluntarily accomodates them. There is not 1 nation in which we have forced occupation of land for a military base (well, technically, Guantanamo Bay, but we were there before Castro and the commies, so they should make that concession).

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Brian on 10:28 am on Aug. 6, 2002

Quote: from Americana on 1:36 am on Aug. 6, 2002
Personally, i'm glad that the US has taxpayer money invested in bases in other countries, sometimes, an american base is the only thing that keeps peace between a feuding nation. but even so, in cuba, we need a base there for intelligence. intelligence is the number one prevention mechanism for nuclear warfare.

To fight wars in Afghanistan, we have to have bases for our forces, you cant exactly fly a tank from the US to Afghanistan, kill a few hundred enemies and fly it home for fuel, ammunition, tactical regruoping, and crew shifts.

What would happen if china did a full frontal attack on the US? Our homeland bases might be wiped out... We would need forces in other locations to win the war.
Get that off of CNN.com?


Well, China attempting a full frontal attack on the US would be suicide for china, they would never get past the US Navy

[PunkRawker677]

""How would you like it if the Arabs put a military base in your homeland and were shit to you.Thats how other people see it."

No, that is how some people see it, including you leftists, not everyone. "

Answer his question...

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from PunkRawker677 on 6:32 pm on Aug. 6, 2002
""How would you like it if the Arabs put a military base in your homeland and were shit to you.Thats how other people see it."

No, that is how some people see it, including you leftists, not everyone. "

Answer his question...



OK, I wouldn't like it, but how do you figure the US personel are treating the arabs badly? They get an economic boost and security from the US military presence.

[Brian]

U.S soldiers in South Korea have rapped women and also killed children.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Brian on 7:02 pm on Aug. 6, 2002
U.S soldiers in South Korea have rapped women and also killed children.


People rape women and kill children no matter where they are or what nation they are from, that is not a function of a US military presence.

[Anonymous]

Its true that most U.S. servicemen behave fairly well when stationed in other countries. However, there are instances where the to cultures clash violently. My father once told me a story from back when he was in the navy about this one officer (they were docked at a base in the persian gulf) who went out one night and didn't return. They searched all over the town for about three days until they finally found him laying in a back alley with his dick and balls cut off and shoved in his mouth. They later found out that he had ripped the vails of two muslem women and proceeded to grope them IN PUBLIC. It baffles my mind how anyone could be that stupid.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 12:25 am on Aug. 7, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 7:24 pm on Aug. 6, 2002
Its true that most U.S. servicemen behave fairly well when stationed in other countries. However, there are instances where the to cultures clash violently. My father once told me a story from back when he was in the navy about this one officer (they were docked at a base in the persian gulf) who went out one night and didn't return. They searched all over the town for about three days until they finally found him laying in a back alley with his dick and balls cut off and shoved in his mouth. They later found out that he had ripped the vails of two muslem women and proceeded to grope them IN PUBLIC. It baffles my mind how anyone could be that stupid.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 12:25 am on Aug. 7, 2002)


If that is the case, he got what he deserved. I fully advocate US military personel respecting the local cultures that accomodate them.

[Americana]

There will always be bad apples.. you cant assume that all the US military is like that.

[suffianr]

Oh sure, stuff like increased prostitution, exponential rises in VD and higher inflation are just isolated cases that only happened in Vietnam. Thank you, Sherlock. :)

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Americana on 1:07 am on Aug. 7, 2002
There will always be bad apples.. you cant assume that all the US military is like that.


I never said all the U.S. military was like that. I just think U.S. servicemen should be monitored a bit more when in other countries so incidents like the one above can be avoided.

[IzmSchism]

It is a FACT that Japan pays more money towards the US Military in Okinawa than the US does. How does that help their local economy, and who exactly are the Japanese being defended against.

Please if you have a chance read Blowback, by Chalmers Johnson.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IzmSchism on 10:32 pm on Aug. 6, 2002
It is a FACT that Japan pays more money towards the US Military in Okinawa than the US does. How does that help their local economy, and who exactly are the Japanese being defended against.

Please if you have a chance read Blowback, by Chalmers Johnson.

In the past, the soviet Union, in the present, potentially China or North Korea

"it is a FACT that Japan pays more money towards the US Military in Okinawa than the US does."

Do you have a cost/benefit analysis report to show me it is a "fact"? Are you counting the benefit to Okinowa's economy due to US military personel spending their $$$ there?

"and who exactly are the Japanese being defended against."

In the past, the soviet Union, in the present, potentially China or North Korea

[IzmSchism]

"According to the best estimates the incomes generated directly or indirectly by the bases (Okinawa) are only 5% of GDP (of Okinawa). This is far too small a contribution for an establishment sitting on 20 percent of Okinawas land. Given the choice locations of the bases, if they were used as part of the civillian market economy , they should yield 20 percent of (Okinawas) GDP.

"The aggregate income from the bases, including off-base consumption by American military personnel, the salaries of the aproximately eight thousand Okinawans working on the bases, and rents paid for the land on which the bases sit, totalled Y162 billion in a fiscal year in 97', or 4.9 percent of gross prefectural income."

Both of the above have been taken from an excerpt in a book entitled Blowback, the articles stem from the Nikkei Weekly a Japanese version of the Economist. The author of this book is president of the Japan Policy Research Institute and professor emeritus at the University of California. He served 4 years in the US NAvy station in SE Asia.

Yep your right China and North Korea are totally going to fuck with Japan, for what reasons to you suppose, what gain?

[IzmSchism]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 7:08 pm on Aug. 6, 2002

Quote: from Brian on 7:02 pm on Aug. 6, 2002
U.S soldiers in South Korea have rapped women and also killed children.



Ever heard of the Military training event in Thailand called Cobra Gold, check it out.
People rape women and kill children no matter where they are or what nation they are from, that is not a function of a US military presence.

[Americana]

WHA

[IzmSchism]

WHA???????????? was up? forgot the T or what Americana.

[suffianr]

Protect the locals? Come on, CI, please provide clear examples of visible "protection" from American Forces that the local authorities cannot offer to the citizens?

[Capitalist Imperial]

local japanese authorities would have a difficult time defending themselves from a chinese invasion

[suffianr]

lol, yeah sure...Japanese defense spending accounted for 4,995.3 billion Yen for the fiscal year of 2001. Dude, don't tell me they spent that on portable toilets and mess tins...You make it sound like a nation is almost clueless about defense strategy without a US nuclear aircraft carrier anchored off shore...Granted, US presence in the Pacific usually heightens regional military alertness, but that's not a reason for intimidating "social calls". Not everyone likes the Pacific Fleet breathing down their necks. For want of a better expression, fuck that shit. :)

[Americana]

what?
regardless of military spending in Japan, they still cant defend a chinese invasion....
A nuclear powered U.S. airfcraft carrier prevents that invasion from entering our territory and fucking us over again like the attacks of pearl harbor.

[IzmSchism]

And it also helps the mass killings such as those in Timor.

[Americana]

What helps the mass killings in timor?

[IzmSchism]

apologies, it=American presence

[suffianr]

There was a US presence in the Gulf long before before Iraqi tanks rolled across the border into Kuwait, in the "early hours" of the Gulf War.

The US-led alliance was already on a war footing; troops and equipment were at combat readiness and mobilized for action. (During WWII, the plans for the Allied assualt on Normandy, or D-Day, were said to have been drawn up as early as late 1942, at the behest of the Soviets, who were anxious to open a Second Front to divert Nazi resources).

Think about it, Americana old chap, your nation's military might is conditioned for immediate responses to threats anywhere, anytime, anyhow across the entire fucking planet. Where's the Second Front now, buddy?

Who needs excuses like "civil war", "low-intensity conflicts" or "regional instability" for the greenlight to simply waltz in, sorry, to invade another nation? Who's got their troops on standby to piss on somebody else's front lawn?

Lock and load, baby, we're good to go...

[Americana]

America doesnt need a second front. We have reserves, National Guard, stongest airforce in the world, stongest army in the world, (im not sure about naval force) and an arsenal of ballistic, intercontinental, and even nuclear missiles on standby should the world ever come to a war that requires the pussy bomb (Thermo-nuclear bomb).
Remember...

>>""Who needs excuses like "civil war", "low-intensity conflicts" or "regional instability" for the greenlight to simply waltz in, sorry, to invade another nation? Who's got their troops on standby to piss on somebody else's front lawn? ""

We dont do it for the other countries... They come second when it comes to our welfare. we do it for the safety of our people... hate to say it, its true, the american interest, but hey... i love the place.