The joys of capitalism!

[James]

http://www.subvertise.org/img_med/414.jpg

[James]

In fact that would be a good one to put up and around (very emotive). Can anyone tell me how i can download these pictures and print them off?

Thanks

[Stormin Norman]

I thought you were going to start putting these under one thread. None of these pictures is striking enough to warrant its own thread. You are merely clutter the place with your diversionary tactics.

[James]

Whats wrong with this? Could have started a good debate, but no, not now you have used your own "diversionary tactics" and changed the subject!

I thought you were going to start putting these under one thread.

Think again :D

[Stormin Norman]

Alright then, why don't you explain the mechanics behind global warming to me? Exactly how do COx gases contribute to this problem. Don't link me to other sights. Give me your understanding of the subject. Paraphrase if you must.

[James]

You want me to simply tell you what global warming is? And how it happens?

(don't you know? I would have thought a great fountain of knowladge like your good self would have known, and allready spurted it all out)

[James]

Well we all know how global warming "happens", so lets not really waste our time here. No doubt you want to talk about HFC's. And how they affect global warming etc

"The key greenhouse gases driving global warming are shown in Figure 2. Carbon dioxide, whose increase is largely produced by the burning of fossil fuels, is the primary global warming gas. CFC's, even though they exist in very small quantities, are significant contributors to global warming. And, while not shown in Figure 2, perfluorocarbons (PFC's), sulfur hexafluoride (SF6) and hydrofluorocarbons (HFC's) are growing contributors."

Source - http://www.trane.com/commercial/issues/env...ise/change2.asp (http://www.trane.com/commercial/issues/environmental/earthwise/change2.asp)

So its agreed that they do contribute to the problem, and the affects are also mention a bit further down;

"What Will The Impact Of Global Warming Be?
Even with thousands of the world's best scientists trying to answer this question, there is not yet an answer with a high degree of certainty. The IPCC's best estimates are contained in a November 1997 report which, in summary, suggests:

Mean annual global surface temperature will increase by 1-3.5 degrees C, 2-6.5 degrees F, by 2100.

Global mean sea level will rise by 15-95 cm; 6-36 inches.

Changes in the spatial and temporal patterns of precipitation would occur.

Global changes in soil moisture."



I'm sure i've probably missed your point though.

[Stormin Norman]

I was simply checking to see if you knew anything about the matter, or if you were another Vox. I will give credit where credit is due. It appears that you have at least taken the time to look into the matter, and are not guilty of blindly following party lines. Although I don't not agree with your position on this, your argument is accepted as a valid one at this point in time.

I will have to get back with my rebuttal, since I need the 3 S's, and a hot meal.

[peaccenicked]

I am sure that is only you who is blindly following party lines? Is that the Republican party or Voice of America?

[Stormin Norman]

Don't assume that all people who hate communism are Republicans.

[James]

http://www.subvertise.org/img_med/551.jpg



Stormin, i want to know your opinon on these. Do you agree? Whats your opinion on the affects of capitalism? Do you think capitalism is fair to all? Don't you think capitalism is evil in some casses?


(Edited by James at 12:54 pm on Aug. 5, 2002)

[James]

http://www.subvertise.org/img_med/87.jpg

[James]

http://www.subvertise.org/img_med/595.jpg

[James]

http://www.subvertise.org/img_med/659.gif

[James]

http://www.subvertise.org/img_med/704.jpg

[Americana]

HEY FAG, most of these pictures have nothing to do with the differences of capitalism and socialism........ go post these on a greenpeace website forum

[Anonymous]

You sound like you have some unresolved problems. Let it out and know that this community will support you.

[Americana]

and you know maybe james, YOU should stop breathing. cause all the hot air that comes out of your mouth is bad for the globe

[Brian]

Another little flag-waving American who is blind and can't tell his hand from his ass.

[Dynatos]

lol Americana cant come up with a better reply than just personaly attacking James.

(Edited by Dynatos at 6:42 pm on Aug. 5, 2002)

[James]

LMAO @ ameri****a


HEY FAG,

Isn't that what ameri****s say when they want to say homosexual?

most of these pictures have nothing to do with the differences of capitalism and socialism

Ooh, intresting statement to make there my friend. But do you explain yourself? No. Do you give examples? No. Leaving the impression on all of our minds that you, you sir are a retard.

and you know maybe james, YOU should stop breathing

What my young friend? Wheres this come from?

Oh yes, global warming. Well because you obviously wern't in school the day you learnt about global warming, i'll simply state that there is a SLIGHT difference between me breathing out CO2, and the likes of HFC's being released...


Please back up what you say in future, retard. And then maybe you can ask me questions if you want! oooh, won't that be fun!

[vox]

Americana has only been a member since yesterday and already the name-calling has begun? Damn.

I can't be the only one thinking, "Weak. Very weak."

vox

[James]

Well yeah, he/she/it didn't give any reasons or anything, just went on in there, yelling abuse, making *odd* statements, then dissapeared...

[Augusto]

Quote: from James on 12:48 pm on Aug. 5, 2002
http://www.subvertise.org/img_med/551.jpg

how could you ask for an "opinion" on this or your other pictures, do you want a response like 'its a pretty picture', or "I think she's thirsty," Geez man, I understand that you derive your ideology from picture books, but don't assume everyone else does.

Finally in respect to global warming, it is certainly a problem, but kyoto was a flawed agreement that punished the US unfairly. We certainly produce 25 percent of ozone emissions with 6 percent of the worlds population, but this disregards that we produce 25 percent of the worlds wealth. Nations like china and india really should bear more of the burden of treaties like Kyoto. While both have seemingly small ratios of ozone emissions to population, their ratios of ozone emissions to production are ridiculously high.

Stormin, i want to know your opinon on these. Do you agree? Whats your opinion on the affects of capitalism? Do you think capitalism is fair to all? Don't you think capitalism is evil in some casses?


(Edited by James at 12:54 pm on Aug. 5, 2002)

[James]

how could you ask for an "opinion" on this or your other pictures, do you want a response like 'its a pretty picture', or "I think she's thirsty," Geez man, I understand that you derive your ideology from picture books, but don't assume everyone else does.


Okay, you obviously struggle with your mind and imagination.

For example, this picture could represent how the big american dream, mainly liberty and democracy, have been put on a side line, or even a platform for corporations. And in the end, the american dream, liberty, just simply becomes a brand.

Of course there are lots more of possibilities...

Finally in respect to global warming, it is certainly a problem, but kyoto was a flawed agreement that punished the US unfairly. We certainly produce 25 percent of ozone emissions with 6 percent of the worlds population, but this disregards that we produce 25 percent of the worlds wealth. Nations like china and india really should bear more of the burden of treaties like Kyoto. While both have seemingly small ratios of ozone emissions to population, their ratios of ozone emissions to production are ridiculously high.


hmmm, i'm not going to disagree or agree. Because this hasn't been any point raised. The point raised was that cokacola give off harmful stuff. Which is having an affect on our planet. But you obviously missed that.

[Anonymous]

I hope someday they'll build a 50 mile wide neon coca cola sign in low earth orbit so everyone on the whole fucking planet can look up at the sky at night and instead of seeing the stars and the moon they will see the POWER and GLORY of the COCA COLA COMPANY!!!!!


(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 4:44 am on Aug. 6, 2002)

[Anonymous]

http://www.oism.org/oism/s32p31.htm

Over 17,000 scientist had signed a petition saying, in part, "there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate."

I'd also like to question how much CO2, methane, flourine, etc. is released into the atmosphere naturally through the oceans and forests.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 5:15 am on Aug. 6, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

I like this exposure, my coca-cola stock is skyrocketing! I love blue-chips!

[vox]

It's always good to check links the right-wing leaves, so I did.

The OISM Petition Project has serious credibility problems, unless you believe that Ginger Spice really signed the petition and has a PhD in microbiology, because someone signed her name and made that claim.

Also, the paper that the petition is supposed to be based on wasn't published, which means that there was no peer review.

OISM is a far right advocacy group.

Want to know more? Happily, someone gathered relevant facts for us on a nice little website:

The Global Warming Petition Project (http://www.scottchurchimages.com/gwcc6.html)

vox

[Americana]

james, that was an attack towards you. a human cant even breathe enough CO2 to affect a globe... plus it turns into O2 and C3H12O8 (or something like that) and other traces after photosynthesis.. HFCs, CFCs, O3, yes i know about them, yes i know these are bad for enviro. you are right about global warming, it is a HUGE problem, but wahts to say its JUST cocacola, waht about all the american cars, thats MUCH worse. everyone needs to carpool.

[James]

Ah hello ameri**** again. Whats this with all the breathing out CO2?

a human cant even breathe enough CO2 to affect a globe...

As i stated, read up before you post, and evoid embarresment!

you are right about global warming, it is a HUGE problem, but wahts to say its JUST cocacola, waht about all the american cars, thats MUCH worse. everyone needs to carpool.

State me saying any of that shit. I can't remember claiming that global warming was all down to cocacola. Your just not reading my posts.

http://www.oism.org/oism/s32p31.htm

Over 17,000 scientist had signed a petition saying, in part, "there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate."

I'd also like to question how much CO2, methane, flourine, etc. is released into the atmosphere naturally through the oceans and forests.


Well as vox has pointed out, your link is worth kack shit. I suggest you take alook at
http://orwell.ru/library/essays/nationalis...ism/e/e_nat.htm (http://orwell.ru/library/essays/nationalism/e/e_nat.htm)

Although no doubt you won't understand the point i'm trying to make

*sigh*

Right, tackle your post now;

I'd also like to question how much CO2, methane, flourine, etc. is released into the atmosphere naturally through the oceans and forests.


Well lets think about it for just one minute here. There should have been a rough balance once, because of the carbon cycle. Its when humans come into the equasion, upseting the balance (in many different ways, i'm sure i don't have to give examples).

I don't feel like i know enough on flourine to make a post, and be confident in it - so i won't. But i expect big factories, and deforestation have increased the amounts. blah blah blah

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 12:13 am on Aug. 6, 2002
http://www.oism.org/oism/s32p31.htm

Over 17,000 scientist had signed a petition saying, in part, "there is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate."

I'd also like to question how much CO2, methane, flourine, etc. is released into the atmosphere naturally through the oceans and forests.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 5:15 am on Aug. 6, 2002)



And how far away is the foreseeable future? should we continue our wastefull ways in the knowledge that we ourselves will suffer no effectes but uncertain as to what those who follow us will have to put up with?

[James]

Profit over people...

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Augusto on 8:45 pm on Aug. 5, 2002
Finally in respect to global warming, it is certainly a problem, but kyoto was a flawed agreement that punished the US unfairly. We certainly produce 25 percent of ozone emissions with 6 percent of the worlds population, but this disregards that we produce 25 percent of the worlds wealth. Nations like china and india really should bear more of the burden of treaties like Kyoto. While both have seemingly small ratios of ozone emissions to population, their ratios of ozone emissions to production are ridiculously high.

Did America try to negotiate the treaty?? Are they making any effort to start negotiations on a new one?? The main reason Bush debunked the Kyoto Treaty was cos of the oil lobbyists that funded his campaign and got him into power demanded it as a return favour. The very notion that Bush rejected it on moral and integral reasons would be laughable to me if were not such a serious matter.

[marxistdisciple]

Didn't pepsi and mcdonalds try to bid to project their logo on the moon? it's only a matter of time.....until they decide who owns the moon

As for global warming, most credible scientists say it is factual. The only people who seem to disregard scientific evidence are the ones who have something to gain by doing so.

[Americana]

no fuckin way.
Pepsi and McDonalds biding to put logo on moon?
Thats bullshit.. Thats No ones business to do that.
Who's consent is it to sell it to someone?
Claiming land is one thing, but claiming a stellar object... thats bullshit.

[Ymir]

For so few bulls on this planet there sure is a lot of bullshit, wouldn't you agree?

[Americana]

hahahahaha

[marxistdisciple]

It was afew years ago that the rumours came up, the companies talking to the US goverment about a temporary projection. lol Sounds slightly bizarre but somewhat true apparently.