George W. Bush

[Xvall]

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our Number one Priority and we will not rest until we find him!"
- George Bush on September 13, 2001

Great idea Goerge!

"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- George Bush on March 13, 2002 (6 months and 600 Billion Dollars later)

Aww! George! What happened!?

LOL

[Nateddi]

did he really say the second quote?

[Stormin Norman]

Yes he did. He was backtracking to avoid political fallout. People are demanding his head on a platter and it could be an issue during the modterm elections. That is why he was trying to nuetralize the enemies ammunition.

[Nateddi]

interesting, very

how about the 600 billion?

[ComradeJunichi]

...whatever the explanation is...thats funny.

[Stormin Norman]

Also true, but Congress is more to blame than the administration on that.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 11:46 pm on Aug. 4, 2002)

[Kilian]

No it must be Clinton's fault it's that Clinton sex effect ;)

[Capitalist Fighter]

600 billion dollars. That sounds excessive for a war conducted in Afghanistan against guerrilla fighters.

[Stormin Norman]

No, the 600 million is more than simply a war in Afghanistan. It is airline bailouts, appropriation bills, increased security, military build up and contracts, money for the families of the victims, money to stave off further economic decline by initiating spending, pork (Spending measures that have absolutely nothing to do with the original bill, yet make the constituents back at home happy; the Patriot Act was full of them), and social programs. These are just a few, and they are quite costly.

I suggest you guys take a look at your congressmen’s' voting records before casting your vote this year. I personally don't want to pay more in taxes, and am sure I won't vote for the democrats. The only justifiable increase in spending should be the military and security measures. They could offset those increases by trimming some of the social programs. Now is not the time for prescription drug benefits for senior citizens. Sad thing is not enough people in our demographic vote. They are using these outrageous social programs to buy the votes. They also tacked on an amnesty clause, in the Patriot Act, for illegal immigrants. Considering the current threat level, doesn't that seem a little irresponsible.

[Brian]

Basicly Bush is trying to say' We can't find the fuck'.

[Stormin Norman]

I am sorry. I think I was wrong to agree with that 600 billion dollar figure. What I think he was refering to was an increase in spending. Surely, liberals are going to taint the facts and blow figures out of proportion to fit their agenda. Apparently, I had heard that number as well and figured it must be true. In reality, it is half true. I believe the number that everyone is throwing around pertains to an overall increase in spending, not money already spent. I did a little research and found that there has been an estimated increase of 550 billion dollars from 2002-2011. About 300 billion of that is defense spending.

Furthermore, liberals are going to use the evaporation of the projected budget surplus as a tool for political advancement, and also a reason why the tax cut should be reversed. According to the congressional budget office the number one reason attributted to the decline in the surplus is increased spending. Not the result of the tax cut. Should we allow politicians to back track on a guaranteed tax break, or should we hold their feet to the fire and make them cut social programs and porkbarrel spending? I say the latter.

Source:http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=3277&sequence=2

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 9:42 am on Aug. 4, 2002
The only justifiable increase in spending should be the military and security measures.

That's disgusting. I can see how triggerhappy rednecks get in power in America now. How about some social programmes for the actual American people instead of running round deserts chasing phantom tea towels??

[marxistdisciple]

Did they really believe they would ever catch him?

There hasn't really been many cases where a dictator or militant leader has ever been captured from bombing a country has there? It's like bombing the east midlands to find me. How dumb.
Of course, everybody knows, it's just about revenge and oil, there is no higher moral power that the US possess, they are not THE god. They are if anything, a God of greed.

It doesn't matter after awhile how much money you spend, or what the aims of the war were. You are at war, therefore you must be patriotic - one side v the other right? War is simple and polorised right?

The over simplification of very important issues helps the goverment dominate the citizans. They feed them an external enemy to distract them from the internal conflicts in goverment, and it seems to work. Nobody noticed they were losing their civil rights.

[Brian]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 9:42 am on Aug. 4, 2002
The only justifiable increase in spending should be the military and security measures.

Why can't that money be used for eduction insted of being wasted on weapons ,eduction is a hell lot more important then the military.But I guess thats how things work when trigger happy rednecks are in office.A child's eduction is ten times for important then building another fleet of F/A-18 Super Hornets.


(Edited by Brian at 6:16 pm on Aug. 4, 2002)

[marxistdisciple]

I completely agree. If you educate our children they will be too inteligent to want to do something as stupid and pointless as war.

[Brian]

I agree,but there will still be violence .Violence is apart of human nature.

[marxistdisciple]

Sure, but not on the scale of war. Also, the more educated a country, or a person, the less violent they are. You must see that in every day life.

[Brian]

Yes, the more educated a person is less violent they are.

(Edited by Brian at 6:57 pm on Aug. 4, 2002)

[Kilian]

U$ government wants to keep people stupid so they can feed whatever bullshit to them


(Edited by Kilian at 8:44 pm on Aug. 5, 2002)

[Brian]

Yes, the U.S Eduction system is in bad shape.They still use the imperial system while the rest of the world uses metric system.Metric system makes more sense then the imperial system.

[Kilian]

I remember it was guerrillaradio who's teachear told him to shut up.

[Americana]

WAIT before you go off on the educational system here, you must first realize that osama is interested in terrorizing the US because he is a dipshit.. would you rather spend money on the children and have their school get fucked over by terrorist pussy bullshit or would you rather protect the children first, and then teach them as soon as it is safe.
sort of like trying to teach children about peace in bosnia.. end the fighting first, then teach about it

[Brian]

So,your trying to say that building another fleet of F/A-18 Super Hornets which probably will rust and never be used is more important then a child's eduction?

(Edited by Brian at 12:39 pm on Aug. 5, 2002)

[Anonymous]

Basicly bush is saying " we dont want to find him, if he gets caught people will ask too many questions like "were did you geted all that money to train terrorists?" and the answers will be "Bush and the oil familys gave me that money!"

[Americana]

Brian,
If people were standing outside your home throwing grenades, would you rather have a shitload of guns ready for them, or would you rather learn how dolphins have sex on the discovery channel?

[PunkRawker677]

"If people were standing outside your home throwing grenades, would you rather have a shitload of guns ready for them, or would you rather learn how dolphins have sex on the discovery channel?"

If people were throwing grenades at my home I think i would think before i shot. I would try and understand what i did to piss them off and how i can correct myself in order to make both of us happy.

So, yes, education comes before protection because without education protection is just a a blind offensive.

[Americana]

good point rawk

[Beyond Good and Evil]

Quote: from Americana on 1:40 am on Aug. 6, 2002
Brian,
If people were standing outside your home throwing grenades, would you rather have a shitload of guns ready for them, or would you rather learn how dolphins have sex on the discovery channel?



As it is, people ARNT throwing stones outside my home. This was ONE attack and there hasnt been anymore in almost a year. Im not saying that there couldnt/wouldnt be more, but Al Qeida is smart enought to have thrown everything at once, before our guard could go up. As it is, we dont have armies of muslim fundementalists landing on our shores with tanks and bombers, I think it would be safe to spend some of the billions the Bush Whitehouse is shelling out to build these hornet jets (which are hardly necissary, concidering our millitary budget excedes that of EVERY OTHER NATION ON EARTH COMBINED) on education and welfare, so we dont have over a million people illiterate, shitty jobs you need to take two or three of to get by, non-existant welfare, education, and housing for anyone who wasnt born to a well-off family, or the lowest voter turnout in all the major industrialized nations.

Education is important, otherwise people just listen to what they happen to hear and accept it instead of thinking things through. Education is important to the War On Non-CIA Terror. Education helps battle fundementalism, wether it be Osama corruption of the Koran or Falwell and Robertson's corruption of the Bible.

Brains, not bombs, will change the world.

[Anonymous]

Beyond good and evil: are you Nietzche fan?

[Americana]

Quote: from Beyond Good and Evil on 3:21 pm on Aug. 6, 2002

Quote: from Americana on 1:40 am on Aug. 6, 2002
   Brian,
If people were standing outside your home throwing grenades, would you rather have a shitload of guns ready for them, or would you rather learn how dolphins have sex on the discovery channel?



As it is, people ARNT throwing stones outside my home. This was ONE attack and there hasnt been anymore in almost a year. Im not saying that there couldnt/wouldnt be more, but Al Qeida is smart enought to have thrown everything at once, before our guard could go up. As it is, we dont have armies of muslim fundementalists landing on our shores with tanks and bombers, I think it would be safe to spend some of the billions the Bush Whitehouse is shelling out to build these hornet jets (which are hardly necissary, concidering our millitary budget excedes that of EVERY OTHER NATION ON EARTH COMBINED) on education and welfare, so we dont have over a million people illiterate, shitty jobs you need to take two or three of to get by, non-existant welfare, education, and housing for anyone who wasnt born to a well-off family, or the lowest voter turnout in all the major industrialized nations.

Education is important, otherwise people just listen to what they happen to hear and accept it instead of thinking things through. Education is important to the War On Non-CIA Terror. Education helps battle fundementalism, wether it be Osama corruption of the Koran or Falwell and Robertson's corruption of the Bible.

Brains, not bombs, will change the world.


True, but still we are talking about a CHILD'S education not the CIA and US military's education, * a childs education takes at least 18 years. *We should first protect the children before theyare killed by terror.

Heres a solution:
Being the United States, lets not waste money on bullshit like the "in god we trust" whore that cryed that it was unconstitutional, and put that money into a childs education...
Lets not let Baseball and Football stars whine for more money (not tax related, but still) and spend it on a childs education...
Lets not improve roads that no one uses and instead spend it on education...
There are a lot of other things besides military spending that are robbing money from education.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from PunkRawker677 on 2:52 am on Aug. 6, 2002
"If people were standing outside your home throwing grenades, would you rather have a shitload of guns ready for them, or would you rather learn how dolphins have sex on the discovery channel?"

If people were throwing grenades at my home I think i would think before i shot. I would try and understand what i did to piss them off and how i can correct myself in order to make both of us happy.


What an Idiot.

If they were known fundamentalist fanatics throwing grenades, would you actually try and reason with them? You would be dead as soon as you opened the door.

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 12:42 am on Aug. 7, 2002)

[Brian]

I don't support U.S military action.War on Terrorism is pointless,you can't wipe out terrorist them selfs.Bush using War on Terror bull to go and fix the picture of the world.Afghanistan is a puppet goverment, Washington pulls the ropes.

(Edited by Brian at 8:50 pm on Aug. 6, 2002)

[Americana]

Sure Brian... you really live in canada? cause maybe you dont know how it feels to travel the world and everyone hates you for being born on a peice of land that just so happens to have a name that some people cant stand. if you think its wrong, change it yourself.

[PunkRawker677]

"What an Idiot."

Why the personal insult?

"If they were known fundamentalist fanatics throwing grenades, would you actually try and reason with them? You would be dead as soon as you opened the door. "

Well, I was portraying a scenario where nothing was known about these people. And even if they were fanatics, i believe negotiations and the sort should come before blood shed.

[marxistdisciple]

You have to really do something bad to get fundamentalists to start throwing grendades at your house. Maybe the US should look at their foreign policy like the european nations have been saying. Maybe there is some truth in the fact that they put power and oil before people's welfare. Or maybe the US is perpetually right.

Either way, War = Peace really never seems to help us. It helps the US Oil interests, but waging war doesn't cause peace, that's some kind of looney thing to say.

It's like saying attacking (the now relatively peaceful) Iraq which has now developed healthy trading relationships with it's neighbours, and is offering to talk about weapons inspectors if the US considers lifting sanctions. But guess what, we might as well attack them anyway. Is that for the sake of peace?

Or just some rhettoric that even the HEAD of UN weapons inspectors, Ritter says is bullshit (and lets assume since he's actually been to Iraq and spent years doing it that he knows better than the people on this board shall we?)