Obedient to authority

[redstar2000]

One of the popes traveling boot lickers whined to the associated press, that obedience to authority was a tough message to get across these days. It was alot easier, of course, back in the Popes Hitler youth days.

[Le Libérer]

Sixty years ago it was. No you are right. Now Catholicism as well as Evangelicals faiths are watered down to the point, of no threat at all. Thats where the term Cafeteria Catholics came from. In fact, I will agree with RS2k and say media is the opiate of the people these days, not religion. Theres the cult of celebrity, video games, television. Even my 4 year old who screamed for donkey kong endlessly, was tranfixed into a trance when we turned on the Dummy Vision and put on a Disney movie. He quickly became silenced, and sat down as if he was a zombie.

If the Pope is in the US to somehow turn the masses back under the churches spell, he will be in for a sad surprise. I would suggest a wii game of knights of the crusades, he would have a better chance.

[Raúl Duke]

Actually I read that for the mainstream religions the people are usually non-practicing. The pope of course came to the U.S. since it has higher levels of religiosity than Europe, but the trend in mainstream has been to either be a non-practicing adherent or to leave the religion/sect/church.

Now, the part about leaving gets tough. Some turn non-theistic...but others, maybe the bulk, turn into more fundamentalist religious sects especially if they were practicing a mainstream protestant sect. Recently, the more religious fundamentalist churches attendence/etc grew into larger numbers while the mainstream churches attendence/etc began to shrink in the U.S. In Europe ,I suppose, the tendency is much more to our favor, those that leave become non-religious/theistic.

About the media...well in a way the situationists mention stuff, although quite obscure/jargon laced, about the effects of the media (or the spectacle), etc. Although, I think the media influence succumbs to material reality in the end as long as the people have some grasp of reality. In religion however....

[Le Libérer]

Although, I think the media influence succumbs to material reality in the end as long as the people have some grasp of reality. In religion however....Agreed. I was being funny, kind of. Per chance technology and science has had an influence on the downfall of religion.

My personal experienced being raised in a fundamental evangelical household is they are instructed to procreate many offspring, much like the Mormon sect in the news recently. ANd that could be where some of the new fundalmentalists are coming from.

[al8]

Well if a the popes spokesperson is complaining of a bad breeding ground, that sounds like progress to me.

[Sentinel]

One of the popes traveling boot lickers whined to the associated press, that obedience to authority was a tough message to get across these days. It was alot easier, of course, back in the Popes Hitler youth days.

redstar2000, I love you. Great to see you haven't lost the edge, I laughed my ass off. :D

Did you btw know, that despite all his faults (the first one being, being a maoist ), Chairman Bob of the RCP-USA is a very brutal and hardcore anti-theist, and a staunc defender of atheism and materialism?

You should read him on religion, very funny and smart stuff!

See these:

The Christian Fascists and the U.S. Military (http://www.rwor.org/a/031/avakian-christian-fascists-military.html)
Communism and Religion--Part 2: Christianity (continued) (http://www.rwor.org/a/v19/910-19/914/bar2c3.htm)
Communism and Religion--Part 3: Islam (Continued) (http://www.rwor.org/a/v19/910-19/917/bar3i2.htm)

All from here (http://www.rwor.org/avakian/avakian-works.html#religion)

[Dean]

One of the popes traveling boot lickers whined to the associated press, that obedience to authority was a tough message to get across these days. It was alot easier, of course, back in the Popes Hitler youth days.

It's good to see you back, friend. While I think that a lot of what the Pope has said in trying to promote peace is good, the comments by his companion are truly very offensive. It is dangerous whenever a religious leader promotes these submissive impulses.

EDIT: Are you posting this yourself or still with Debora's help? I hope we can expect more frequency from redstar2000.

[Raúl Duke]

Did you btw know, that despite all his faults (the first one being, being a maoist ), Chairman Bob of the RCP-USA is a very brutal and hardcore anti-theist, and a staunc defender of atheism and materialism?

You should read him on religion, very funny and smart stuff!

Actually...I think he does know about Bob Avakain and his opposition to Christian Fascism.

Although...I wonder...does the RCP still resist the theocratic christian right?