The Bloodless Seven - A Tale

[Stormin Norman]

Ever heard of the Bloodless Seven?

They were an army division stationed in the American west during the late 19th century. It was a time of settlement and prosperity. The only thing getting in the way of our Manifest Destiny were those pesky Indians. A picture was painted, by the pop culture of that time, of savages who killed settlers for no apparent reason. These treacherous murders were feared by all anglosaxon families intent on their dreams of expansion into the beloved country, romanticized by the popular culture, and the railroads. Promises of homesteads that stretched as far as the eye could see remained the driving force.

Any self respecting warrior had tales to tell, of fierce battles with the violent and formidable opponents, known as the Indians. Truly, the savages were a force to be reckoned with. However there existed this one division, the 7th Cavalry (I do believe), notorious for not killing any savages. They became the laughing stalk of the entire population on the western frontier. Even the Rocky Mountain News took part in jests the mired the reputations of these proud men.

Then one day, they got word of a Indian encampment somewhere in southern Colorado. This would be there day of fame. No longer would people laugh when they entered the local saloons. They would be acclaimed as heroes. Riding off with the heads high, imagining how they would go down in the history books, the bloodless seven dissappeared over the horizon. It was truly a heroes departure.

They arrived on the outskirts of a camp along Sandcreek.
It seemed too peaceful to be the type of hostile Indians that they had heard so much about. The American flag flew high over the Indians camp. Something was amiss.

Inside the camp children played, as mothers attended to their fateful duties. Only a few men stayed back to guard over the camp, for they assumed that the presence of the flag would alert everyone that they were indeed friendly. The rest of their warriors were out on a buffalo hunt, needed to provide food for the winter.

Nothing, I mean nothing was going to stop the 7th from earning what was rightfully theirs. They refused to come back empty handed one more time. Therefore, the decision was made to go ahead with the mission at hand.

They rode into the camp slaughtering women and children with no restraint. Cries of horror rang out in the shallow gullie, where the Indians had made winter camp. The men of the 7th truly enjoyed themselves, as they made games out killing innocent people. Bodies were mutilated and hung from the trees. One guy even cut open a woman, removed her uterus, and stretched it over the hat that he was wearing.

When news of this massacre spread, the men of the 7th became an embarrasment to themselves and the US military. Instead of being treated like hereos they were despised by all. The shame of what they did carried with them the rest of their lives.

This is a perfect example of the kind of devastation that popular opinion can bring. Most of the population didn't really condone the murderous killing of indians, but they failed to speak against it. Instead, they romanticized the battles, and it became fodder for all to consume. The men who were taunted by the townspeople commited these atrocities for some reason that can never be justified, but popular belief had some part to play in it.

This has happened throughout history countless times. When the Jews were gathered throughout Europe to be sent to their deaths, when the political opponents of communists were violently killed and mutilated, when terrorism was used to shape the future destiny of the native Americans, people died and the masses did nothing. Whatever you do in life, you should keep these things somewhere in the back of your mind, and consider what kind of ramifications are supported by whatever worldview you happen to hold.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 8:37 am on July 29, 2002
Ever heard of the Bloodless Seven?

They were an army division stationed in the American west during the late 19th century. It was a time of settlement and prosperity. The only thing getting in the way of our Manifest Destiny were those pesky Indians. A picture was painted, by the pop culture of that time, of savages who killed settlers for no apparent reason. These treacherous murders were feared by all anglosaxon families intent on their dreams of expansion into the beloved country, romanticized by the popular culture, and the railroads. Promises of homesteads that stretched as far as the eye could see remained the driving force.

Any self respecting warrior had tales to tell, of fierce battles with the violent and formidable opponents, known as the Indians. Truly, the savages were a force to be reckoned with. However there existed this one division, the 7th Cavalry (I do believe), notorious for not killing any savages. They became the laughing stalk of the entire population on the western frontier. Even the Rocky Mountain News took part in jests the mired the reputations of these proud men.

Then one day, they got word of a Indian encampment somewhere in southern Colorado. This would be there day of fame. No longer would people laugh when they entered the local saloons. They would be acclaimed as heroes. Riding off with the heads high, imagining how they would go down in the history books, the bloodless seven dissappeared over the horizon. It was truly a heroes departure.

They arrived on the outskirts of a camp along Sandcreek.
It seemed too peaceful to be the type of hostile Indians that they had heard so much about. The American flag flew high over the Indians camp. Something was amiss.

Inside the camp children played, as mothers attended to their fateful duties. Only a few men stayed back to guard over the camp, for they assumed that the presence of the flag would alert everyone that they were indeed friendly. The rest of their warriors were out on a buffalo hunt, needed to provide food for the winter.

Nothing, I mean nothing was going to stop the 7th from earning what was rightfully theirs. They refused to come back empty handed one more time. Therefore, the decision was made to go ahead with the mission at hand.

They rode into the camp slaughtering women and children with no restraint. Cries of horror rang out in the shallow gullie, where the Indians had made winter camp. The men of the 7th truly enjoyed themselves, as they made games out killing innocent people. Bodies were mutilated and hung from the trees. One guy even cut open a woman, removed her uterus, and stretched it over the hat that he was wearing.

When news of this massacre spread, the men of the 7th became an embarrasment to themselves and the US military. Instead of being treated like hereos they were despised by all. The shame of what they did carried with them the rest of their lives.

This is a perfect example of the kind of devastation that popular opinion can bring. Most of the population didn't really condone the murderous killing of indians, but they failed to speak against it. Instead, they romanticized the battles, and it became fodder for all to consume. The men who were taunted by the townspeople commited these atrocities for some reason that can never be justified, but popular belief had some part to play in it.

This has happened throughout history countless times. When the Jews were gathered throughout Europe to be sent to their deaths, when the political opponents of communists were violently killed and mutilated, when terrorism was used to shape the future destiny of the native Americans, people died and the masses did nothing. Whatever you do in life, you should keep these things somewhere in the back of your mind, and consider what kind of ramifications are supported by whatever worldview you happen to hold.

thats truly sad.

However I have a question. Why the hell when ever you people talk about how people who went against the communist party in Russia were killed and put in prison.

Yet you never seem to mention how communist and socialist in the US were treated.

See your talking about how we don't wanna hear the truth and shit but you guys never say anything about this.

Like communist in the US weren't tried for treason even if they were american citizens and most of all weren't traitors.

Land of equality my ass, what because they had different beliefs they weren't equal.

Did you make this thread to make us feel bad?

All those assholes who ostracized communists and socialist during the Cold war should feel bad.

[Lardlad95]

and by the way that truly is a sad story. and living proof that the US's manifest destiny was bullshit

[Stormin Norman]

We never killed any of our own citizens. Do you see the difference? Would you like me to post my thoughts about the Palmer Raids and the second Red Scare for you sometime? I do not evade history like the left does. I try to learn from it, instead of distorting it to fit my beliefs.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 8:55 am on July 29, 2002
We never killed any of our own citizens. Do you see the difference? Would you like me to post my thoughts about the Palmer Raids and the second Red Scare for you sometime? I do not evade history like the left does. I try to learn from it, instead of distorting it to fit my beliefs.

I know the damn difference. Russia went far beyond what the US but then again I didn't like either countries.

Look up democratic socialism we believe both communism and capitalism are wrong.

Yeah Russia was wrong however sir, does that justify how Socialist and communist were treated?

That don't justify shit. If you beat someone and put them in a three month coma and I kill someone the fact that I killed someone doesn't mean you still weren't wrong for what you did.

[peaccenicked]

There was the little matter of luther king and jfk, and then there was a million IWWers who were either killed or jailed.

[Stormin Norman]

Apparently you do want my opinions on Red Scares I and II. I will get around to that someday.

In response to:

"Look up democratic socialism we believe both communism and capitalism are wrong."

Keep telling yourself that, and you will find yourself in the wake of some horrific act, like that of the purges or Sand Creek Massacre.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 9:03 am on July 29, 2002
Apparently you do want my opinions on Red Scares I and II. I will get around to that someday.

In response to:

"Look up democratic socialism we believe both communism and capitalism are wrong."

Keep telling yourself that, and you will find yourself in the wake of some horrific act, like that of the purges or Sand Creek Massacre.



would it be fair if I just kept saying the US was the same as Nazi Germany?

No, because it isn't true. So they share some similarities. Does that mean the US has mass genocides...actualy the US did.

So lets see the similarities.

Nazi G: felt they were superior to all other races

US: feels they are superior to every other Nation

NaziG: Killed Millions of Jews

US: enslaved millions of perfectley happy africans, mistreated them, opressed them, then tried to play it off by saying its in the past.

Nazi G: wanted to own the world

US: wants to be the police/bully of the world.

Now I'm not gonna say its the same as Nazi Germany

However you need to quit comparing my beliefs with that of stalinists and communists

cuz its not the same Goddamn thing ok?

Hell you can find similarities between anything.

I can find similarities between Briteny Spears and Mos Def.

Does that make Briteny Spears black or a rapper? No

So you can find some similarities between Democratic Socialism and Communism

does that make me a communist? Hell no

[Stormin Norman]

-Remember the term guilty by ommision.

-Not all left winger are inherently evil (as much as I hate to admit it). They sometimes want to bring about social changes that will better a society as a whole. In doing so, they hold values and opinions that trample the right of the individual in favor of the collective.

-Utilitarianism holds that what is best for the greatest number of people is automatically good. If 51% of the population wanted to consume the other 49% (canabalism), would it be a good thing?

-Should not the individual be held responsible for his own life?

-Should man be required to help other men, even when they do not wish to do so?

-Do you find that Robin Hood was a good character?

-Do you think that you are inferior to the majority of the population? If not, why would you support such a system?

-Should man be forced to be equal, or should he have equal rights and protection under the law? The two premises contradict each other. You must choose one or the other. You can not ride the fence on this one. Which is it?

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 9:27 pm on July 29, 2002)

[kidicarus20]

Good story if it wasn't horribly written.

"Any self respecting warrior had tales to tell, of fierce battles with the violent and formidable opponents, known as the Indians. Truly, the savages were a force to be reckoned with. However there existed this one division, the 7th Cavalry (I do believe), notorious for not killing any savages. They became the laughing stalk of the entire population on the western frontier. Even the Rocky Mountain News took part in jests the mired the reputations of these proud men. "

The indians were "hostile" because they were being invaded and attacked.

"Then one day, they got word of a Indian encampment somewhere in southern Colorado. This would be there day of fame. No longer would people laugh when they entered the local saloons. They would be acclaimed as heroes. Riding off with the heads high, imagining how they would go down in the history books, the bloodless seven dissappeared over the horizon. It was truly a heroes departure."

This makes it seem as if they were holding their heads high for hearing about indian encapment rather than their aspirations.

"When news of this massacre spread, the men of the 7th became an embarrasment to themselves and the US military. Instead of being treated like hereos they were despised by all. The shame of what they did carried with them the rest of their lives.

This is a perfect example of the kind of devastation that popular opinion can bring. Most of the population didn't really condone the murderous killing of indians, but they failed to speak against it. Instead, they romanticized the battles, and it became fodder for all to consume. The men who were taunted by the townspeople commited these atrocities for some reason that can never be justified, but popular belief had some part to play in it. "

I dont understand, wouldn't it have been easier to say, "this is what's reported in the documents:" regarding that first paragraph?

Instead you typed and then argued against your own apparent nonsense. It seems like you've copied and pasted some of the story and then relied to it. If this was an article it would be considered a nonsensical rant.

As for this bloodless 7 or 7th calvary apparently it is horrific--if it's true.
This is just another example of exploitation of indians by the U$ government. Indians should be given back their land or at least given enough land so they can get their culture back. The US government continued to exploit indians well after they raided their lands.

"We never killed any of our own citizens. Do you see the difference? "

What are you talking about? The US government killed thousands of blacks and enslaved hundreds of thousands, many of them would have been considered "US citizens" if they weren't treated as property. Those big corporations should give money to some of the black people who's ancestors were enslaved so they could get rich.
U$ government has invaded and taken land from mexico and murdered hundreds of thousands of Filipinos in Hawaii.

Stalin could even begin to compare with the crimes of the US. He impriosned some anarcho-communists in other countries and a few thousand, well he didn't kill them like how U$ kills people he simpley let them die. The actual numbers are inflated by capitalists, he did a lot of good though too.



Demons descended upon the lands
The fire of _GREED_ burned within their minds.
They destroyed the paradise that filled their eyes.
From the east they swarmed--to pillage, to populate the righteous under siege.

The stream of invaders rose into a raging flood.
Now the arrow shaft lays broken where the grasses dripped with blood.
Unavenged apparitions of the dead walk down this trail of tears that never ends

Conquered by the sword, by treaties that were lies.
Millions perished in the wars for their genocide
Decimated by manifest destiny.
Tortured and enslaved in the name of christianity.

The stream rose into a raging flood.
Now the arrow shaft lays broken where the grasses dripped with blood.
Unavenged apparitions of the dead walk down this trail of tears that never ends.
Manifest destiny prevails.


Felled their rainforests, flood their lands.
Ancient cultures destroyed by so-called civilized man.
The tribal peoples of today; survival is at stake.
History means nothing if nothing's learned from past mistakes.

Stop the unseen holocaust.
---EC

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 9:26 am on July 29, 2002
-Remember the term guilty by ommision.

-Not all left winger are inherently evil (as much as I hate to admit it). They sometimes want to bring about social changes that will better a society as a whole. In doing so, they hold values and opinions that trample the right of the individual in favor of the collective.

-Utilitarianism holds that what is best for the greatest number of people is automatically good. If 51% of the population wanted to consume the other 49% (canabalism), would it be a good thing?

-Should not the individual be held responsible for his own life?

-Should man be required to help other men, even when they do not wish to do so?

-Do you find that Robin Hood was a good character?

-Do you think that you are inferior to the majority of the population? If not, why would you support such a system?

-Should man be forced to be equal, or should he have equal rights and protection under the law? The two premises contradict each other. You must choose one or the other. You can not ride the fence on this one. Which is it?

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 9:27 pm on July 29, 2002)


you don't know a Goddamn thing about Democratic socialism do you?

>>>-Should man be forced to be equal, or should he have equal rights and protection under the law? The two premises contradict each other. You must choose one or the other. You can not ride the fence on this one. Which is it?<<<

What the hell? Name a country where people have equall rights and those laws are enforced?

Hell no there are none, because in the US people can be arrested now just cuz they look suspicious. Also minorities get unfair treatment throughaffirmative action.

Affirmative action is unfair cuz it turns minorities into Tokens instead of getting jobs they are qualified for they get jobs because they are a minority.

What the government fails to realize is that equal treatment means just that. Not better or worse treatment, equal.

>>>-Not all left winger are inherently evil (as much as I hate to admit it). They sometimes want to bring about social changes that will better a society as a whole. In doing so, they hold values and opinions that trample the right of the individual in favor of the collective<<<

Its your right to create a large corparation, commit tax fraud, and embezzle?

Oh no its your right to own slums and actualy charge peolpe to live there?

>>>-Do you think that you are inferior to the majority of the population? If not, why would you support such a system?<<<

I am in favor of a system that promotes equality not the importance of the majority.

I don't believe people as individuals are insignifacant. The US and Soviet Russia do.

The US isn't willing to help people and the SOviets Gelt the individual was un important

>>>-Do you find that Robin Hood was a good character?<<<

robin hood was in reality a theif he didn't give to the poor. THe legend was made because the peasants felt he as on their side because he embaressed the Rich. The man was a coward.

But as far as the legend it depends. (And this is going from a capitalist point of veiw)

If the rich earned the money honestly then he was an ass

If he opressed the peasants to get the money then Robin was a hero.

>>>-Do you find that Robin Hood was a good character?<<<

I assume you mean people paying for others well beings

this could simply be done using taxes. I mean in this country I don't wanna support the military however when I'm grow I'm still gonna pay taxes.

>>>Utilitarianism holds that what is best for the greatest number of people is automatically good. If 51% of the population wanted to consume the other 49% (canabalism), would it be a good thing?<<<

First of all I expect better analogies from You, your smarter than this.

Also I'm not a person that believes that Majority Rule should be used in anyway to harm anyone.

If you think about it the American government is based on Majority rule now isn't it.

I have never believed that whats best for the majority is best for all in that sense.
The individual matters and Democratic Socialism doesn't go against this.

[Stormin Norman]

KidIcky,

I can assume that you do not know the difference between a tale and and article. You dip shit. Fact is, I remembered this story off the top of my head, and then tried to replicate it in the form of a tale. This was done to convey a thought or feeling. It was not cut and pasted, as that is a leftist trick. Sorry if you don't like my work. I never said that I aim to please you. Why don't you write a story. Let's see how good your work is, fuck rag.

"The indians were "hostile" because they were being invaded and attacked."

That was the popular view at that time.

"This makes it seem as if they were holding their heads high for hearing about indian encapment rather than their aspirations"

Well excuse me, if you don't get the drift which you apparently do.

"Instead you typed and then argued against your own apparent nonsense. It seems like you've copied and pasted some of the story and then relied to it. If this was an article it would be considered a nonsensical rant."

Where do I contradict myself here? Somehow I missed it. It appears that you are the one who is on a rant.

"As for this bloodless 7 or 7th calvary apparently it is horrific--if it's true.
This is just another example of exploitation of indians by the U$ government. Indians should be given back their land or at least given enough land so they can get their culture back. The US government continued to exploit indians well after they raided their lands"

Reparations are paid to the indians on a variety of levels. We can never undo history or give them the entire continent back, but we can offer them free education so they can better their position in the world. You are the one who is full of nonsense, and lacks a realistic outlook.

"What are you talking about? The US government killed thousands of blacks and enslaved hundreds of thousands, many of them would have been considered "US citizens" if they weren't treated as property. Those big corporations should give money to some of the black people who's ancestors were enslaved so they could get rich.
U$ government has invaded and taken land from mexico and murdered hundreds of thousands of Filipinos in Hawaii."

Hey, fuck face! If you had bothered to read the rest of the posts and taken my words in context, you would have realized that that we were discussing the Red Scares.

"Stalin could even begin to compare with the crimes of the US. He impriosned some anarcho-communists in other countries and a few thousand, well he didn't kill them like how U$ kills people he simpley let them die. The actual numbers are inflated by capitalists, he did a lot of good though too."

You really do have a convoluted view of history. There you go defending Stalin. You truly are a piece of shit, aren't you?

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 9:54 pm on July 29, 2002)

[kidicarus20]

Robin hood was a great character who definitely helped the poor, even by bringing down the rich you help the poor people.

The legend and movies are pretty rad if you ask me.


Affirmitive action, sounds pretty good to me. It helps reverse racist capitalist policies. The jobs they are qualified for? they aren't getting those jobs with or without affirmitive actions because of where they live and the way the system works.

As for equality, you can't have "equal rights" like "everybody has the right to liberty and happiness" under capitalism, because everybody doesn't have that right. It's only granted to thsoe people who have marketed products or found ways to help sell other peoples products better (the middle men). In socialism you can grow your own food or you are provided with it, better yourself is seen as something independent to each individual where in capitalism it is forced and you, and it tries to steer you in one way or the other.

That guy though, he brings up robin hood and crap, i bring up the fact that corporaitons set peoples wages and pay people unfairly, and compete for who will work for the lowest wage just so they can make more money. The people design the products the boss gets all the money then decides what he'll pay them.

[Lardlad95]

>>>You really do have a convoluted view of history. There you go defending Stalin.<<<

Can a man reall criticize one man's veiw of history when he himself is in support of a country that:

Nearly Eradicated an entire race of people

Enslaved millions of people

Fought in wars across the world for no logical reason.

Throws people in jail for smoking weed but not drinking dangerous amounts of alcohol.

And most of all can't figure out that for Goddamn sake Budweiser is Not i repeate not the king of beers


its all relative.

Hell I don't even like Stalin but you are one of the people wondering why you aren't allowed in the history forum.

Yet you can't except another person's veiw of History

not that I don't agree that Stalin was a dick and an insult to leftist movements.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from kidicarus20 on 9:55 am on July 29, 2002
Robin hood was a great character who definitely helped the poor, even by bringing down the rich you help the poor people.

The legend and movies are pretty rad if you ask me.


Affirmitive action, sounds pretty good to me. It helps reverse racist capitalist policies. The jobs they are qualified for? they aren't getting those jobs with or without affirmitive actions because of where they live and the way the system works.

As for equality, you can't have "equal rights" like "everybody has the right to liberty and happiness" under capitalism, because everybody doesn't have that right. It's only granted to thsoe people who have marketed products or found ways to help sell other peoples products better (the middle men). In socialism you can grow your own food or you are provided with it, better yourself is seen as something independent to each individual where in capitalism it is forced and you, and it tries to steer you in one way or the other.

That guy though, he brings up robin hood and crap, i bring up the fact that corporaitons set peoples wages and pay people unfairly, and compete for who will work for the lowest wage just so they can make more money. The people design the products the boss gets all the money then decides what he'll pay them.



Hey I'm with you except for the Affirmative action thing.

Affirmative action is a slap in the face

as a black and puerto rican male I wouldn't want to provide for my family with a job I got because someone had to fill a quota of black workers.

I can't feel like a man in my own house if I didn't earn my job.

BEsides that I don't wanna be a token, job isn't honorable if you didn't get it on your own.

Not that capitalism hasn't already sucked all the honor out of work already.

[Stormin Norman]

"That guy though, he brings up robin hood and crap, i bring up the fact that corporaitons set peoples wages and pay people unfairly, and compete for who will work for the lowest wage just so they can make more money. The people design the products the boss gets all the money then decides what he'll pay them."

Man, its clear that you have no idea about economic principles. The cost of labor is dictated by the law of supply and demand like everything else in a market economy. Fact is, you get paid what you are worth. If you, KidIcky, are making shit waid it is because you have no skills. Judging by your attittude, this is true. When you take a job and agree on the pay that you are getting in return for your time, this is of mutual benefit to both the employer and the employee. So when you sit around and *****, and then quit your job with no notice you then reneg on the original contract. I wouldn't expect a deformed specimen like yourself to uphold a contract anyway and that is one of the reasons I will discriminate against leftist when I hire.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 10:05 am on July 29, 2002
"That guy though, he brings up robin hood and crap, i bring up the fact that corporaitons set peoples wages and pay people unfairly, and compete for who will work for the lowest wage just so they can make more money. The people design the products the boss gets all the money then decides what he'll pay them."

Man, its clear that you have no idea about economic principles. The cost of labor is dictated by the law of supply and demand like everything else in a market economy. Fact is, you get paid what you are worth. If you, KidIcky, are making shit waid it is because you have no skills. Judging by your attittude, this is true. When you take a job and agree on the pay that you are getting in return for your time, this is of mutual benefit to both the employer and the employee. So when you sit around and *****, and then quit your job with no notice you then reneg on the original contract. I wouldn't expect a deformed specimen like yourself to uphold a contract anyway and that is one of the reasons I will discriminate against leftist when I hire.



how can you measure how much work is actualy done.

If you take it to mean force then a menial laborer does far more than a CEO

however it can mean how important the work is to a company.

Lets see:

CEO: makes deals so that supplies will be shipped to correct factories to be assembled

Factory Worker: assembles supplies into product

Now what happens when one of them doens't do their job.

CEO doesn't do Job: no supplies being shipped to be assembled. Product can't be made so the product can't be sold.

Worker doesn't do job: supplies can't be assembled the product isn't made there fore can't be sold.


Even janitors are important

if a janitor doesn't clean then how can people work in a dirty enviroment.

It may seem small at first but when roaches are crawling all into products and garbage piles up things are gonna be affected.

So how can you measure how much work someone does?

[kidicarus20]

"I can assume that you do not know the difference between a tale and and article. You dip shit. Fact is, I remembered this story off the top of my head, and then tried to replicate it in the form of a tale. This was done to convey a thought or feeling. It was not cut and pasted, as that is a leftist trick. Sorry if you don't like my work. I never said that I aim to please you. Why don't you write a story. Let's see how good your work is, fuck rag. "

Actually, I was simpley using constructive criticism to point out problems which if left out would have made a far more interesting post.

As for leftist cutting and pasting their ideas, the very idea of _that_ is very unleftist. Besides it's conservatives who do that all the time, that's why they all sound the same. There is a difference between pasting articles, learning from them and to let others learn from them, and directly taking ideas from the article just for your political purpose, what conservatives do, or pasting other peoples thoughts/opinions in their own post, which I have caught several conservatives doing and confronted them, one said to me "why reinvent the wheel?"

Finally it should be noted that even in a tale the rules of English apply. A tale is just an imaginative article. I understood it but there were somethings that were just confusing unless you pieced the whole story together which is what i did. It would be a nightmare if a whole novel was written in such a matter.
Minor detail that seemed to have enraged you, a capitalist. That is my job to anger capitalists.

""Instead you typed and then argued against your own apparent nonsense. It seems like you've copied and pasted some of the story and then relied to it. If this was an article it would be considered a nonsensical rant." "

Because you posed it as if that's whappened, then you say it's not what happened and thats just how people told it.

I could give a little example here but i'm lazy.

"Reparations are paid to the indians on a variety of levels. We can never undo history or give them the entire continent back, but we can offer them free education so they can better their position in the world. You are the one who is full of nonsense, and lacks a realistic outlook."

Actually I am being real. The indians were forced off to reservations and couldn't figure out what to do, they had never been confined to that type of property system before, they didn't even know what private property was, it's a divisionist system. We can still help indians in a lot of ways.

"Hey, fuck face! If you had bothered to read the rest of the posts and taken my words in context, you would have realized that that we were discussing the Red Scares. "

You said "we've never done that here", or something like that, referring to US. Lardlad said something you replied to with that comment.
Under LBJ explotation of blacks continued and they were ofted killed or their churches burned down and the perpetrators we're never found guilty by white juries. LBJ changed all that, LBJ is despised by communists for his strong stand against communist but he was vehement in his stance against racism.

"You really do have a convoluted view of history. There you go defending Stalin. You truly are a piece of shit, aren't you? "

Where am I wrong? Stalin was less of a terrorist than Ronald Reagan, who makes bin laden look like an evil disney character.
Reagan and Bu$h had direct terrorism against countries such as Nicaragua, and backed (trained them with US forces) terrorist regimes in countries like Guatemla. The Reagan pals in El Salvador and Guatemala murdered almost 50-100 times more innocent people than Osama bin Laden did.
Reagan used vegence to stop a political ideology. The difference between you and me is I'm trying to show Stalins real terrorism by deflating what is reported, and you and your capitalist friends deny Reagans terrorism, while i try and tell it the way it really is.

[Stormin Norman]

W = F x d (gives the work done in the direction of the components)

or

W = F (dot) distance (gives the dot product sum of all the components together, the magnitude of the work being done)

However, this is the physical definition of the word. Most of us use it in an entirely different context, and this is not how businesses measure work. They have charts and graphs measuring productivity. The CEO is measured by the overall productivity of the company, and by overall profits. The factory worker gets measured by the productivity of his line, which is an individual component of the company. The janitor gets judged purely by aesthetics.

[kidicarus20]

"Man, its clear that you have no idea about economic principles. The cost of labor is dictated by the law of supply and demand like everything else in a market economy."

The laws of economics are contradictory to the real world then. Because cars had a high supply and demand during the 90's, and the pay of the car companies work force actually went down, because they moved companies to mexico under Nafta/wto.
They did it to "stay competitive" was the excuse, they knew they would make millions either way, they would just make more by using cheaper labor.
" Fact is, you get paid what you are worth."
The mexicans make less money than their american counterparts.

I shouldn't be taking Economic lessons from a person who thinks capitalist reforms take 10 years to come into effect.

"If you, KidIcky, are making shit waid it is because you have no skills."
I'm currently learning the skills. Money isn't associated with intelligence or skills to begin with, especially in capitalism. Example, some of the smartest men in america with the highest IQ's aren't rich and some pianists are making less money than britney spears who can't even sing an doesn't make who own music, or compare that pianist to a stock broker, i'd say the pianist has a talent for an art form and the stock broker, what's his talent? wheeling and dealing? bullshit.
"Judging by your attittude, this is true. When you take a job and agree on the pay that you are getting in return for your time, this is of mutual benefit to both the employer and the employee. So when you sit around and *****, and then quit your job with no notice you then reneg on the original contract. I wouldn't expect a deformed specimen like yourself to uphold a contract anyway and that is one of the reasons I will discriminate against leftist when I hire"

Blah blah blah... There are only so many employers and thus the system is unfair if you arne't getting paid for whta your truly worth, nor is it fair for the reasons i have already stated.


(Edited by kidicarus20 at 10:34 am on July 29, 2002)

[Lardlad95]

sir, the main point of my post was to prove that each individual's job was important to the company's sucess and with out them it would eventually fall.

Becuase if it wasn't the company wouldn't need to hire them in the first place.

[Stormin Norman]

Sorry, I couldn't let that one go. When using physical definitions it is necessary to state them correctly. The vocabulary is extremely important if you wish to have a clear understanding of mathematics or physics.

Got to go, work is calling me.
I won't be back in awhile.
Finals.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 10:42 pm on July 29, 2002)

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 10:41 am on July 29, 2002
Sorry, I couldn't let that one go. When using physical definitions it is necessary to state them correctly. The vocabulary is extremely important if you wish to have a clear understanding of mathematics or physics.

Got to go, work is calling me.
I won't be back in awhile.
Finals.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 10:42 pm on July 29, 2002)


yeah I used to know the "mathmatic" formula for work but as soon as the year ended.....

Actualy I gotta do some shit also, gotta sign up for my damn new school

high school is gonna blow like a five dollar whore

[Storman Normin]

ha ha ha, my friend. You really are the bastards knees.