Another russian fighter failure

[Capitalist Imperial]

How are NATO nations and american military planners supposed to take the new gerneration of russian fighters and the RuAF seriously?

How many crashes is that this year? And how many hve been a fucking airshows!

Damn, if we had only knew that russia was this incompentent during the cold war, we could have saved billions on defense spending

[peaccenicked]

wtf . When will your tiny little brain realise that Communism and Stalinism are enemies?

(Edited by peaccenicked at 1:41 am on July 29, 2002)

[Capitalist Fighter]

Peace, i think you must realise that though in theory communism and stalinism are undeniably opposed, in reality, attempts to pursue the former ultimately resulted in the later. Hence Russia, China, Cuba to an extent, North Korea, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, et cetera.

[James]

CI, do you get offended when people talk about sep 11th and all those that died, so freely?

[suffianr]

The plane is had to have experienced either a technical or pilot error. I think it was actually sabotaged by the CIA so that a fatal crash would discredit the Russian aviation industry (Most existing planes are from Soviet-era designs) and trigger a crash in the stock market, and force the CIS to be a little more tolerant of America's flamboyant little international crusade on "terrorism" (Jesus, why not just eradicate poverty while your at it?), and reinforce it's political clout at the UN, whilst trying to misdirect (Wag the Dog, go watch it) the global media's attention from its own aviation disasters... Well, I could be wrong. :P

[Lardlad95]

like the US isn't incompetant

embassies blown up....by "mistake"

ships destroying fishing boats

spy planes crashing.

Man the US can't even use the technology it raves about

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from suffianr on 6:30 pm on July 29, 2002
The plane is had to have experienced either a technical or pilot error. I think it was actually sabotaged by the CIA so that a fatal crash would discredit the Russian aviation industry (Most existing planes are from Soviet-era designs) and trigger a crash in the stock market, and force the CIS to be a little more tolerant of America's flamboyant little international crusade on "terrorism" (Jesus, why not just eradicate poverty while your at it?), and reinforce it's political clout at the UN, whilst trying to misdirect (Wag the Dog, go watch it) the global media's attention from its own aviation disasters... Well, I could be wrong. :P


Yeah, thats it, it was a US conspiracy and not the well proven and historically reliable russian/soviet aviation doctrine.

LOL, get serious.

[suffianr]

An dwhat exactly is the Soviet/Russian aviation doctrine, Mr. SmartyPants?

[Vladimir]

Dammit, you know CI sometimes you can be grand but what are you talking about this time.

BTW, it was piltol error, nothing to do with the planes, they are far better than Western planes.(lol watch CI praise his super military and his even better military doctrine now......

IrishGuevara

[Red Revolution]

As soon as I saw the news I immediately knew CI or another one of the trio would take the trouble of starting a new thread about it.

CI + others
The crash was due to the plane bieng part of the Ukrainian air force. Meaning it was not probobly looked after. Also the pilot was trying to execute a dare-devil manouver. Anyway this says little about the plane. Anyway I would have thought any american plane would crash if its wing was torn of after bieng scraped along the floor, wouldn't it?

[Xvall]

Gee CI, you shouldn't be complaning considering the vast amount of times your missiles and guns have malfunctioned, blowing up Mosques, Houses, Hospitals, and weddings!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IrishGuevara32 on 7:47 pm on July 29, 2002
Dammit, you know CI sometimes you can be grand but what are you talking about this time.

BTW, it was piltol error, nothing to do with the planes, they are far better than Western planes.(lol watch CI praise his super military and his even better military doctrine now......

IrishGuevara


Comeon, IG, you know that russian planes are not better than american planes. You are full of it, dog.

#1) American planes are more sophisticated, technically proficient, and advanced. They are also better maintained and there are much more of them that can be deployed an successfully maintained.

2) even if russian planes were better (which they are not), it usually comes down to the pilot, and American pilots are much,much better than Russian pilots. They have better flight training and they have much more real-world experience, and spend more air time training.

3)Real-world history of actual air-combat action shows that western planes have always dominated soviet designsoverall, bottom line.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:07 pm on July 29, 2002

Quote: from IrishGuevara32 on 7:47 pm on July 29, 2002
Dammit, you know CI sometimes you can be grand but what are you talking about this time.

BTW, it was piltol error, nothing to do with the planes, they are far better than Western planes.(lol watch CI praise his super military and his even better military doctrine now......

IrishGuevara


Comeon, IG, you know that russian planes are not better than american planes. You are full of it, dog.

#1) American planes are more sophisticated, technically proficient, and advanced. They are also better maintained and there are much more of them that can be deployed an successfully maintained.

2) even if russian planes were better (which they are not), it usually comes down to the pilot, and American pilots are much,much better than Russian pilots. They have better flight training and they have much more real-world experience, and spend more air time training.

3)Real-world history of actual air-combat action shows that western planes have always dominated soviet designsoverall, bottom line.

the pilots may be better trained but natural talent always plays into something. I mean if the Russian pilots got the same training whos to say who is the best.

You can't literaly measure whos the best because no one knows every event in a man's life that can effect why he is the way he is

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 6:35 pm on July 29, 2002
like the US isn't incompetant

embassies blown up....by "mistake"

ships destroying fishing boats

spy planes crashing.

Man the US can't even use the technology it raves about


"embassies blown up....by "mistake""

I see by your quotation marks that we said "mistake" with a wink and a smile, our little message to china regarding their acquitring of nuclear missle technology through questionable means. I guesss, then, our weaponry worked pretty well, as that is what we meant to hit.

"ships destroying fishing boats"

It was a sub, and admittedly a bad decision at that, but it was a great demonstration of american engineering toughness.

"spy planes crashing."

what incident are you referring to? the 1 time the russians got lucky and shot down a U-2 after the thousands of missions and intel gathering we already had on them? If you ask me, that is a pretty good record

[Lardlad95]

its amazing how you can make such things sound funny.

but seriously they still were wrong...especially the embassy. SO they got some nukes big deal what are they gonna do start WWIII (Chinese nuke falls to Nashville obliterating the city...Lardlad dies but not before considering the irony)

[Brian]

CI is way off!

That Su27UB that crashed was old and not in well flyable shape and second it was an export model which had poor radar and poor safety for the pilots and very very poor engine etc Russian fighters are much better.UB is a trainner not a fighter.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Brian on 12:02 am on July 30, 2002
CI is way off!

That Su27UB that crashed was old and not in well flyable shape and second it was an export model which had poor radar and poor safety for the pilots and very very poor engine etc Russian fighters are much better.UB is a trainner not a fighter.

I knew Brian would respond to this sooner or later.

I wouldn't say any Sukhoi plane is very air-worthy.

[Brian]

Sorry but most Sukhio aircraft are very air- worthy.



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Leave no man behind! (http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/blackhawkdown/main.swf)

(Edited by Brian at 9:07 am on July 31, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Yeah, I know, I was just being fasicious. They are pretty good, for russian planes anyway.

[Hattori Hanzo]

Quote: from James on 6:12 pm on July 29, 2002
CI, do you get offended when people talk about sep 11th and all those that died, so freely?




dude! sweet avatar!

[Brian]

Believe it or not but I think the F-15 still is very capable of taking down a Su-30MKI.F-15 Eagle is much better then Su-30MKI.Well later verisons of the F-15 are better then the Su-30MKI.

[Hattori Hanzo]

why r u critisizing the russain ari force/ everyone knows it sux

[Linksradikaler]

Yeah. American military mishaps never happen.

Like when we lost an H-BOMB off the coast of Spain and never found it.

Like the weekend warrior who used his superior airplane to blow up Canadian troops in Afghanistan.

Like the friendly fire incidents in "Operation Desert Stormdrain."

Like the Bay of Pigs.

Like the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.

Like the M247 "Sergeant York"...so bad they had to fake the videos.

Like the so-called "Missile Defense" system. "De Fence" has got a hole in it.

Like the Patriot Missile fraud.

Like the V-22 Osprey, which has killed about 40 Marines so far.

The US dropping bombs on children at a wedding.

Gee. Seems there are too many to list. Odd Guess Blamerica.

[Brian]

Like when we lost an H-BOMB off the coast of Spain and never found it. U.S lost an H-bomb over Greenland not spain you idiot.


Like the friendly fire incidents in "Operation Desert Stormdrain."

Most friendly fire incidents happen to not being able to identify eacher.Tank friendly fire incidents was because at 1km a traget is clear and can be identifed at 2km its a blury and is hard to see and 3km a target is very very blury and impossible to see. At 2km and 3km you can't tell if a tank is a British challenger or an Iraqi T-72.All tank friendly fire incidents happened at 2km or 3km.

Like the Bay of Pigs.

U.S troops lost at Pay of Pigs was cause we had no tanks and a supply ship with ammo for our troops was destroyed.

Like the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
???? M1 or M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle is a troop mover and is has light armour and has a 25mm cannon with a very high rate of fire and Tow Missiles.Its 25mm cannon can fire AP rounds or HEAT rounds at the flick of a switch.


Like the so-called "Missile Defense" system. "De Fence" has got a hole in it.
Please restate that!



The US dropping bombs on children at a wedding.
The bombs fell off traget , its a terrible thing but things like that happen in war.


(Edited by Brian at 8:03 pm on July 29, 2002)

[Red Revolution]

Brian - Suddenly switched sides have you?

[Linksradikaler]

"U.S lost an H-bomb over Greenland not spain[sic] you idiot."

We lost one over Greenland, too? Jesus! But for your information, we DID lose one off the coast of Spain. It is referred to as the "Palomares Incident." Follow this link:
http://www.sandia.gov/LabNews/LN01-19-96/palo.html

And in the future I'll appreciate your keeping a civil tongue.

"Most friendly fire incidents happen to not being able to identify eacher[sic].Tank friendly fire incidents was[sic] because at 1km a traget[sic] is clear and can be identifed at 2km its a blury[sic] and is hard to see and 3km a target is very very blury[sic] and impossible to see. At 2km and 3km you can't tell if a tank is a British challenger or an Iraqi T-72.All tank friendly fire incidents happened at 2km or 3km."

So our illustrious military was firing willy-nilly at targets they couldn't identify? Oops. Still doesn't say much for the "Warrior Elite," does it?

"U.S troops lost at Pay[sic] of Pigs was cause we had no tanks and a supply ship with ammo for our troops was destroyed."

Bay of Pigs was a disaster because the CUBAN NATIONALS (not U.S. troops) landed at the wrong beach and air cover couldn't find them. Also, Castro knew they were coming.

"???? M1 or M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle is a troop mover and is has light armour and has a 25mm cannon with a very high rate of fire and Tow Missiles.Its 25mm cannon can fire AP rounds or HEAT rounds at the flick of a switch."

Gee, fascinating. But I'm referring to the repeated design screw-ups that the Pentagon had to cover up. A certain Colonel Burton had to testify before Congress because the project was such a piece of crap. And the Bradley is considered one of the most overpriced and over-esteemed pieces of military hardware in history.

"The bombs fell off traget [sic] , its[sic] a terrible thing but things like that happen in war."

Yeah. Things like that happen. And they hapen quite a bit at our hands.

By the way, your English stinks. Where are you from?

[James]

Hattori Hanzo Posted on 1:04 am on July 30, 2002

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Quote: from James on 6:12 pm on July 29, 2002
CI, do you get offended when people talk about sep 11th and all those that died, so freely?



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dude! sweet avatar!


cheers.

Again i ask CI, do you get offended when people talk about sep 11th and all those that died, so freely?

Hardly any one is showing any respect to those who died. Imagine if they were your parents, or children who had died.

Just fuck off if you want to play argumentative *****.

[Anonymous]

You cant use a plane crash to highlight the defficiencies of communism. Capitalist countries have plane crashes, are they all at the same stage of technical expertise?

Aviation skill has little relationship to the structure of society

[Brian]

So our illustrious military was firing willy-nilly at targets they couldn't identify? Oops. Still doesn't say much for the "Warrior Elite," does it?Yes! pretty much! But look at Iraqi tank loses , there in in the 1000's.They only shot at some targets at 2km or 3km.U.S lost 0 tanks to Iraqi fire but one was disabled and repaired and put back into action.Over all most M1A1's that were destroyed were to Coppers firing at long distances at night.


Bay of Pigs was a disaster because the CUBAN NATIONALS (not U.S. troops) landed at the wrong beach and air cover couldn't find them. Also, Castro knew they were coming.Yes!


Gee, fascinating. But I'm referring to the repeated design screw-ups that the Pentagon had to cover up. A certain Colonel Burton had to testify before Congress because the project was such a piece of crap. And the Bradley is considered one of the most overpriced and over-esteemed pieces of military hardware in history. Hmmm!




Also your facts are a little twisted.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Linksradikaler on 1:19 am on July 30, 2002
Yeah. American military mishaps never happen.

Like when we lost an H-BOMB off the coast of Spain and never found it.

Like the weekend warrior who used his superior airplane to blow up Canadian troops in Afghanistan.

Like the friendly fire incidents in "Operation Desert Stormdrain."

Like the Bay of Pigs.

Like the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.

Like the M247 "Sergeant York"...so bad they had to fake the videos.

Like the so-called "Missile Defense" system. "De Fence" has got a hole in it.

Like the Patriot Missile fraud.

Like the V-22 Osprey, which has killed about 40 Marines so far.

The US dropping bombs on children at a wedding.

Gee. Seems there are too many to list. Odd Guess Blamerica.


"Like when we lost an H-BOMB off the coast of Spain and never found it."

You're going bacjk almost 40 years, when mid-air refueling was still a new science? Besides, the commies probably stole #4, because the knew our weapons tech was far superior to there's,just like the stole our 3 B-29's and reversed engineered them to make their 1st strategic bomber.

"Like the weekend warrior who used his superior airplane to blow up Canadian troops in Afghanistan."

Another friendly fire stab. I would like to see any other nation engage in the same level of military action as us, and see what their friendly fire rate is. I am confident it would be worse than the US rate. Besides, that was in a hot zone, not a freakin' air show.

"Like the friendly fire incidents in "Operation Desert Stormdrain.""

Do you mean Operation Desert Storm, what many military and historical analysts consider one of the most successful and 1 sided wars in world history? When the US defeated one of the largest, well armed, and most experienced standing armies in the world in about 100 days?? See the above response to your last claim., it applies here too.

"Like the Bay of Pigs."

US forces never saw action in the bay of pigs. It wasn't that the air cover "couldn't find" the war zone. The air cover was never sent. We sent the rebels and then balked on the back-up. And no US ships were destroyed.

"Like the Bradley Fighting Vehicle."

The bradley fighting vehicle is the best light armored unit in the world, both statistically and in real-world use. Can you suggest a comparable platform that you think is better? I'd love to discuss it.

"Like the so-called "Missile Defense" system. "De Fence" has got a hole in it."

Can you be more specific? The US ABM program is still in the development stage. How can you judge it before it is deemed complete? Please explain

"Like the Patriot Missile fraud."

Hardly fraud, the kill ratio for the patriot is still debated today. I can tell you, though, that the patriot did shoot down hundreds of SCUD's, and if you ask a kuwaiti citizen, they will sing its praises.

"Like the V-22 Osprey, which has killed about 40 Marines so far."

That aircraft is also still in the testing phase. Incidents are expected to occur when you are designing and testing a totally new concept in aviation. again, it wasn't a supposedly proven fighter in an airshow.


"Like the M247 "Sergeant York"...so bad they had to fake the videos."

I'll have to research this

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from James on 3:57 pm on July 30, 2002
cheers.

Again i ask CI, do you get offended when people talk about sep 11th and all those that died, so freely?

Hardly any one is showing any respect to those who died. Imagine if they were your parents, or children who had died.

Just fuck off if you want to play argumentative *****.


Of course i get offended. What is the point? Do you think I am disrespecting those who died at the airshow? I am not. What is your logic?

[Nateddi]

didn't you hear the news CI? it was the pilots fault, not the aircraft.

(must be because of that commie training they received)

you are one of the first truly open chauvinists on this board, which is still something i don't understand



(Edited by Nateddi at 12:21 am on July 31, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Nateddi on 12:20 am on July 31, 2002


you are one of the first truly open chauvinists on this board, which is still something i don't understand



(Edited by Nateddi at 12:21 am on July 31, 2002)


I don't understand, how am I a chauvinist?

[Nateddi]

you hail your country's glorious military superiority (or others' military inferiority) in socialism vs capitalism posts. its very annoying and frustrating, that is why i generally stay out of these discussions.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Nateddi on 12:25 am on July 31, 2002
you hail your country's glorious military superiority (or others' military inferiority) in socialism vs capitalism posts. its very annoying and frustrating, that is why i generally stay out of these discussions.

Thats fine, you don't have to participate. However, a nation's military power and operations are a direct reflection of it's sovereignty and poilitical ideology. I believe these discussions are highly relevant in this forum.

[Linksradikaler]

"Like when we lost an H-BOMB off the coast of Spain and never found it."

>>You're going bacjk almost 40 years, when mid-air refueling was still a new science? Besides, the commies probably stole #4, because the knew our weapons tech was far superior to there's,just like the stole our 3 B-29's and reversed engineered them to make their 1st strategic bomber.


"Like the weekend warrior who used his superior airplane to blow up Canadian troops in Afghanistan."

Another friendly fire stab. I would like to see any other nation engage in the same level of military action as us, and see what their friendly fire rate is. I am confident it would be worse than the US rate. Besides, that was in a hot zone, not a freakin' air show.

"Like the friendly fire incidents in "Operation Desert Stormdrain.""

Do you mean Operation Desert Storm, what many military and historical analysts consider one of the most successful and 1 sided wars in world history? When the US defeated one of the largest, well armed, and most experienced standing armies in the world in about 100 days?? See the above response to your last claim., it applies here too.

"Like the Bay of Pigs."

US forces never saw action in the bay of pigs. It wasn't that the air cover "couldn't find" the war zone. The air cover was never sent. We sent the rebels and then balked on the back-up. And no US ships were destroyed.

"Like the Bradley Fighting Vehicle."

The bradley fighting vehicle is the best light armored unit in the world, both statistically and in real-world use. Can you suggest a comparable platform that you think is better? I'd love to discuss it.

"Like the so-called "Missile Defense" system. "De Fence" has got a hole in it."

Can you be more specific? The US ABM program is still in the development stage. How can you judge it before it is deemed complete? Please explain

"Like the Patriot Missile fraud."

Hardly fraud, the kill ratio for the patriot is still debated today. I can tell you, though, that the patriot did shoot down hundreds of SCUD's, and if you ask a kuwaiti citizen, they will sing its praises.

"Like the V-22 Osprey, which has killed about 40 Marines so far."

That aircraft is also still in the testing phase. Incidents are expected to occur when you are designing and testing a totally new concept in aviation. again, it wasn't a supposedly proven fighter in an airshow.


"Like the M247 "Sergeant York"...so bad they had to fake the videos."

I'll have to research this

RESPONSE: You seem to miss the point, CapImp. The point is that the US military has had its share of mishaps, foul-ups, cover-ups, lies, crashes, explosions, killed allies and junky hardware. Big institutions like the military (ANY military) will have such problems. The US is not perfect, and is probably not even the best in the world, when it comes to numbers of mishaps. I guess that if you take the SIZE of the US military into account, it does pretty well, but the military is still known for its idiocy. Ask any veteran.

Also, it turns out the pilot was to blame in that air-show crash, not any technical problem. And anyway, we've had our share of air show accidents, too. I remember hearing about one last summer in California.

And don't forget the Mannheim Airshow incident of 1982. Big embarrassment for the US Army. Were you even born yet?

[Brian]

Okay Linksradikaler , prove to me that the M-3 and M-3 are junky hardware.


(Edited by Brian at 8:52 am on July 31, 2002)

[Linksradikaler]

Brian:

Peut-etre tu parles Francais, n'est pas? Je ne l'ai pas dit étais ordure. J'ai dit là étais des problèmes avec le développement. Les gens ont menti au congrès, etc. Lisez une histoire du Bradley. Ok?

[Lardlad95]

>>>>Another friendly fire stab. I would like to see any other nation engage in the same level of military action as us, and see what their friendly fire rate is. I am confident it would be worse than the US rate. Besides, that was in a hot zone, not a freakin' air show.<<<<<<<


The US shouldn't engage in that much military action. We need to learn to stay the fuck out of people's buisness. The US doesn't own the world, it needs to learn that the world isn't its to policy.

[Brian]

We need to learn to stay the fuck out of people's buisness.
More like the U.S helps! So U.S should just sit back and watch fucked up things happen and not help conutries?

[Brian]

Quote: from Linksradikaler on 2:42 pm on July 31, 2002


Peut-etre tu parles Francais, n'est pas? Je ne l'ai pas dit étais ordure. J'ai dit là étais des problèmes avec le développement. Les gens ont menti au congrès, etc. Lisez une histoire du Bradley. Ok?
Typing that in English would help!

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Brian on 2:56 pm on July 31, 2002




We need to learn to stay the fuck out of people's buisness.
More like the U.S helps! So U.S should just sit back and watch fucked up things happen and not help conutries?





but why is the US "helping"?

Vietnam, because they didn't want communism to spread.

Afghanastan during the coldwar, becuase they didn't want the Soviets there.

Do you seriously think the US would get involved if it didn't benefiet the US?

like the US has a good heart or something? Come on Brian you can't be that nieve

[Brian]

Look at Somalia , U.S went into get two warlords .U.S and UN were there in Somalia to stop warlords from taking over the conutry and stop them from starving the people out.

U.S and UN had a good reason to be in Somalia



(Edited by Brian at 9:16 am on July 31, 2002)

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Brian on 3:13 pm on July 31, 2002
Look at Somalia , U.S went into get two Warlords .U.S and UN were there in Somalia to stop warlords from taking over the conutry and starving the people out.

then what happned? THe US fuckin dropped them. It wasn't like the work was really done when it the US left.

however I don't have that much information on SOmalia, so I'm gonna let you have that one, I remember reading about it but I can't remember where the info came from.

however you never answered my question, does the US help for its motives or out of the goodness of its own heart?

[Brian]

We dropped out of Somalia because we went into Mogadishu to get two warlords , we were greeted by 1,200 Skinnies with RPG's and AK's.Skinnies shot down two coppers and killed 19 U.S soldiers.We had a nuff and withdrew from Somalia.

[Linksradikaler]

Brian:

I get the distinct feeling that you don't speak English as your first language, which is why I typed my last post in French. It said you were from Canada, and I thought maybe you were Quebecois. Your English is so bad that I just assumed it was your second language.

Anyway, I never said the "M-3" or "Bradle" was "junky hardware." I really don't care if it can kill the enemy, change a baby or julienne potatoes. The point is that it cost America tons of money, took years to produce and is generally regarded as not living up to its cost.

Read "The Pentagon Wars." It tells, in detail, the tragic and wasteful story of the Bradley.

[Brian]

German is my first language!

[Linksradikaler]

Woher kommst du denn? Meine Mutter ist aus Dortmund!

Ich kann ziemlich gut deutsch, meine ich.

Ich weiss nicht wirklich, wenn "The Bradley" schlimm oder gut ist. Bin nicht Soldat. Mir ists nicht wichtig. The Bradley ist aber zu teuer, und hatte viele Konstruktionproblemen.

[Linksradikaler]

Ups. Nicht "wenn." "OB," meine ich.

[Brian]

Woher kommst du denn?

Ammerndorf!




(Edited by Brian at 12:59 pm on July 31, 2002)

[Guest]

Quote: from Linksradikaler on 2:42 pm on July 31, 2002
Brian:

Peut-etre tu parles Francais, n'est pas? Je ne l'ai pas dit étais ordure. J'ai dit là étais des problèmes avec le développement. Les gens ont menti au congrès, etc. Lisez une histoire du Bradley. Ok?


Oh, that explains a lot about this guy. *Is he french? *Or french canadian? *Even if he thinks speaking french is cool, he has problems.

[Brian]

Die!

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Brian on 3:22 pm on July 31, 2002
We dropped out of Somalia because we went into Mogadishu to get two warlords , we were greeted by 1,200 Skinnies with RPG's and AK's.Skinnies shot down two coppers and killed 19 U.S soldiers.We had a nuff and withdrew from Somalia.


dont start something you arent willing to finish

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 2:48 pm on July 31, 2002
>>>>Another friendly fire stab. I would like to see any other nation engage in the same level of military action as us, and see what their friendly fire rate is. I am confident it would be worse than the US rate. Besides, that was in a hot zone, not a freakin' air show.<<<<<<<


The US shouldn't engage in that much military action. We need to learn to stay the fuck out of people's buisness. The US doesn't own the world, it needs to learn that the world isn't its to policy.


Most of the time the US intervenes in foreign affairs is when we are asked to by the source nation.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Brian on 3:22 pm on July 31, 2002
We dropped out of Somalia because we went into Mogadishu to get two warlords , we were greeted by 1,200 Skinnies with RPG's and AK's.Skinnies shot down two coppers and killed 19 U.S soldiers.We had a nuff and withdrew from Somalia.


That was a BS operation, Clinton had no heart, we should have finished the job, and sanitzed the whole area.

[suffianr]

Ferfucksake, what the fuck is "sanitize" supposed to mean? You want to bleach everything white again, don't you? ;)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from suffianr on 4:45 pm on Aug. 1, 2002
Ferfucksake, what the fuck is "sanitize" supposed to mean? You want to bleach everything white again, don't you? ;)



It means to eradicate certain elements that are counter-intuitive to american operational interests.