Wake up!!!!!!! - wake up!!!!!!!!!

[Brian]

Wake up! There is never going to be a racist free world, racism will exist til the end of time.There is never going to be a Socialist/Communist society and everyone holds hands and sings and there are no racists.If you think that then your a dumbass.Wake up to reality!

[Nateddi]

>>Wake up! There is never going to be a racist free world, racism will exist til the end of time.There is never going to be a Socialist/Communist society and everyone holds hands and sings and there are no racists.If you think that then your a dumbass.Wake up to reality!

I completely agree with you, and I consider myself a communist. There is quite a lot we can do without getting into utopian impossibility, Brian.

[El Che]

We dont want prefection, we want a continual process of pregression towards a more perfect society. Now did I really have to state the obvious? hmmmm.. Not too bright is he?

[peaccenicked]

MY RAINBOW RACE

Chorus:
One blue sky above us
One ocean lapping all our shore
One earth so green and round
Who could ask for more
And because I love you
I'll give it one more try
To show my rainbow race
It's too soon to die.

1. Some folks want to be like an ostrich,
Bury their heads in the sand.
Some hope that plastic dreams
Can unclench all those greedy hands.
Some hope to take the easy way:
Poisons, bombs. They think we need 'em.
Don't you know you can't kill all the unbelievers?
There's no shortcut to freedom.
(Repeat chorus)

2. Go tell, go tell all the little children.
Tell all the mothers and fathers too.
Now's our last chance to learn to share
What's been given to me and you.
(Repeat chorus one and a half times)

Words and Music by Pete Seeger (1967)
© 1970 by Sanga Music Inc.

[Brian]

There will be Capitalist Nations and Communist and Socialist too.All forms of Goverment will exist and be used.I do think Socialism and Communism should be used a little more in other Goverments.

(Edited by Brian at 11:29 pm on July 27, 2002)

[Brian]

Quote: from El Che on 5:25 am on July 28, 2002
We dont want prefection, we want a continual process of pregression towards a more perfect society. Now did I really have to state the obvious? hmmmm.. Not too bright is he?

That more perfected society is never going to be, there is never going to be a Non-Capitalist World or more prefected society.

(Edited by Brian at 11:32 pm on July 27, 2002)

[Stormin Norman]

Has anyone else notice how much of other people's work Peacenicked posts on this board? I no longer take the time to read anything of his or her's, because this should be a forum of original thought. The only reason for such behavior must lie in his or her inability to make their own points.

[Nateddi]

>>There will be Capitalist Nations and Communist and Socialist too.All forms of Goverment will exist and be used.I do think Socialism and Communism should be used a little more in other Goverments.

Other Governments? I can understand you may not prefer a non-capitalist government in your nation, still, what nations would you consider the ones for which you would support a communist government for?


>>That more perfect society is never going to be, there is never going to be a Non-Capitalist World or more prefected society.

If there is no "more-perfect" society, that blatantly implies that this is as perfect as the world will evolve. Right.


>>Has anyone else notice how much of other people's work Peacenicked posts on this board? I no longer take the time to read anything of his or her's, because this should be a forum of original thought. The only reason for such behavior must lie in his or her inability to make their own points.

It is you who had just wasted a post on nothing except ad hominem. I assume because you couldn't counter it yourself.

(Edited by Nateddi at 5:37 am on July 28, 2002)

[Brian]

Quote: from Nateddi on 5:35 am on July 28, 2002
>>There will be Capitalist Nations and Communist and Socialist too.All forms of Goverment will exist and be used.I do think Socialism and Communism should be used a little more in other Goverments.

Other Governments? I can understand you may not prefer a non-capitalist government in your nation, still, what nations would you consider the ones for which you would support a communist government for?


>>That more perfect society is never going to be, there is never going to be a Non-Capitalist World or more prefected society.

If there is no "more-perfect" society, that blatantly implies that this is as perfect as the world will evolve. Right.


I ment other conutries by the term "goverments".Communism is never going to work, it failed in the USSR and failed many other places.

(Edited by Brian at 11:42 pm on July 27, 2002)

[American Kid]

Norman, I've brought this up myself repeatedly, comrade.

He is the Puff Daddy of this board. Always sampling, never coming up with anything himself.

Well, that's not fair. When requested, he'll show signs of............"autonomy"......:)

-AK

[Nateddi]

>>I ment other conutries by the term "goverments".
Name one which you would not mind if falls to communism.


>>Communism is never going to work, it failed in the USSR and failed many other places.

This is an extremely ignorant opinion. I shall not go again about rebuffing such a common question in detail (which will take the thread off topic), lets just say the USSR was around #20-25 on the UN's most desirable places to live based on various statistics in the 80's . Recently the UN came out with the latest numbers for 2002, Russia is now at #60, and Ukraine (another republic, my home country) is at #80. If you honestly believe that people are better off now, I pity you and ask you to educate yourself, even 'neutrol' sources are inagreement with me on this issue.

[PunkRawker677]

Your all just jealous that Peace has a large arsenal of arguments already made by other people, or articles to be used for argument. Hes just more resourceful..

[Stormin Norman]

LMFAO! Jealous, heavens no! I simply think that it becomes tiresome to hear opinions that have been proposed by others and already exist independent of the regurgitating party. I can look those up on my own. If you are trying to argue your point it is not a bad thing to quote the work of others. It is when someone uses an entire article created by someone else to make their argument for them, that it becomes dull.

[abstractmentality]

about peaccenicked using other peoples stuff for argument, i dont see much wrong with it. if you really think about it, many of the things all of us post have been influeced, or even are just summarizations, of things we have read. and i dont think thats much of a difference. in fact, peaccenicked is even stating where its from and the author, so he is not stealing ideas.

[Stormin Norman]

Yeah, he does do an excellent job siting his sources. Maybe its a bogus non-issue, but I thought I would throw it out there.

[American Kid]

To add to Norman's post, Peacenicked CONSTANTLY uses other people's stuff.

I will give him credit, Abstractmentality, he does state his sources. It's definetely not theft. It's just annoying. You're right, a lot of people's opinons made here are summarizations of other people's work. Granted, they say it in their own voice. Which is the reason I come here. To hear people's VOICES.

If I want fucking Pete Seeger lyrics I'll type his name up on google.

-AK

[abstractmentality]

i agree with you AK that a persons summarization in his own voice is good. peaccenicked does, however, say things in his own voice, he just tends to add in a lot of other peoples words as well. the way i look at it, he has 2266 post, and with that many post, you are bound to have a lot of quotes in it, as well as your own stuff as well.

[American Kid]

Point taken.

*high five*

Goodnight, all.

-AK

[abstractmentality]

night AK.

[peaccenicked]

It is all because I am the most modest person on the planet, and all the capis here are so arrogant. If there is wisdom outside of myself I like using it. Capis don't listen, and they have already got their minds made up for them.

A little bit of Bush all night long,
a little bit of the History channel by their side,
All lot of CNN or Murdoch's Sun,
things that try to fool everyone.

You know you can't even howl these fools down.
Wall to wall blind ignorance of everything it it takes to be human.

[Stormin Norman]

Do you think me arrogant, peacenicked?

[peaccenicked]

Unquestionably. I know many capis I play chess with some bankers but none of them would dream of going to a Che Guevara site and raise (metaphorically) the US flag or the Union Jack in front of any section no matter how small of the international revolutionary left.
If I proposed it to them they would go. 'What? Do you think I am nuts!. Your arrogance is like they say in Glasgow, 'you have more neck than a giraffe' that is brass neck.

[Stormin Norman]

I also have brass balls.

[peaccenicked]

brassball(s)
confession or bad joke?

[Stormin Norman]

Truth! I have nerves made of steel and balls made of brass. I am a machine programmed to take down pathetic communist movements around the globe. Where ever communism exists, I be be there to crush it with my hydraulic hands.

[American Kid]

Peacennicked, you're such a dick.

First of all,

"You know you can't even howl these FOOLS down
wall to wall blind ignorance of what it is to be human?"

Now, WHO'S arrogant?

It's very insulting when I read shit like when you say we're arrogant for coming here and debating. This is why I fucking cannot stand "peacenicks". You think you have all the answers. And who are we to call you on them?

You're worse than a dick. You're a hypocrite.

-AK

[peaccenicked]

LMAO
You resort to abuse rather than defend your arrogant decision to pester lefties with pro capi bullshit.

[Mazdak]

Stormin Norman, what a surprise it was you whining about Peacenickd. Is it your mission to destroy the credibility of each of us one at a time. AK, Peaccenicked isnt the dick, SN is.

And Brian, that is like the exact words used in US propoganda and textbooks about communists. Society will never be perfect but if nationalism is destroyed, and interracial marraige continues(even with TS's protests), all of us will be of mixed blood. If you are half black, you cant exaclty be a KKK guy.

And creating the uniform "perfect society" with everyone blond and blue eyed, somehow everyone keeps forgetting is not leftist, that is facist/nazi. why does everyone get communism and nazism confused?!

[Brian]

Sorry my friend but not everyone in the future are going to be half black and half white.Full white people and black will still exist, so your all people mixed dream is never going to happen.

[Stormin Norman]

Mazdak,

Are you telling me that the Nazi party wasn't born from left wing ideology? Notice it was the national socialist party, who made grand promises to feed and clothe the entire nation. Everyone would have an apartment and a Volkswagon. Do these things not sound familiar to you? Fact is communism and the Nazi variety of socialism are extremely similar. The have a way of killing people they don't like, but there were differences in how they decided who needed to be removed from their society.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 7:45 am on July 30, 2002)

[Mazdak]

SN- naimg your parrty the national socialist party is an easy way to get both right wing warmongers and not to sharp socialists and left wingers in to vote for you.

If they had called themselves "national Satanist party", i dont think they would have gotten that much support, regardless of their ideology.

[Moskitto]

"They call themselves the National Socialist German Workers Party, sure they're nationalist, but they're not socialist, and they are not a workers party, just remember, you don't live in a dictatorship, you don't live in a country with a concentration camp outside every city, not yet at least." - Future holocaust victim to a crowd of Mosley supporters in the late 1930s