extreme radical liberals needed

[Nateddi]

join thelyceum.org, improve your debating skills against moderate and authoritarian communists, hardline laissez-faire capitalists, neo-nazis, white nationalists, and centrists

we are short of liberals who have scored a -6 or lower libertarian score on the political compass. if you consider yourself a radical liberal, we would appreciate having you come to thelyceum.org (http://www.thelyceum.org).

[James]

I'm coming ! (although io can't remember if i got more than a 6, it was around there though).

[kidicarus20]

There's not that many people there so it's kind of pointless

[guerrillaradio]

I´ll be there once I get back from holiday. I got 9, so ner!!!

[abstractmentality]

i will join either today or tomorrow.

[Sasafrás]

Every time I go to TheLyceum, I get that unavailable message.

[pastradamus]

the lyceum keeps screwing me over when i redgester.

Wankers!

[Nateddi]

@ guerrillaradio - dzerzhinsky/lenin especially wanted you :)


@ kidicarus - most members here are infact radical liberals

[Edelweiss]

Not everyone who isn't a a homophobic, anti-semite Stalinist like lenin is a liberal.

[RedSovietCCCP]

Malte, get your ass in TheLyceum so I can see how long you liberals can last. I think Michael is to scared to come back. I haven't seen him in there in a long time. I can't wait to see all you social democrats TRY to debate with out your mommy malte with you, kicking off all the stalinist and authoritarian Communists.

[Edelweiss]

I'm not interested in a discussion with you, RedSoviet. It's the same boring discussion with you totalitarians right-wing commies again and again. You and lenin already lost all the discussions here, no need to say anything more to you.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from RedSovietCCCP on 9:52 pm on July 28, 2002
Malte, get your ass in TheLyceum so I can see how long you liberals can last. I think Michael is to scared to come back. I haven't seen him in there in a long time. I can't wait to see all you social democrats TRY to debate with out your mommy malte with you, kicking off all the stalinist and authoritarian Communists.

I don't come on the computer for two days or so and you say I'm too scared to come back?

And for the last time, jackass, I'm a Democratic Marxist, not a Social Democrat. Do you even know what a Social Democrat is??

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 7:11 pm on July 28, 2002
And for the last time, jackass, I'm a Democratic Marxist, not a Social Democrat. Do you even know what a Social Democrat is??I KNOW WHAT A SOCIAL DEMOCRAT IS!

That's what I am. But I'm not a liberal.

Lindsay

[Nateddi]

Quote: from Malte on 9:09 pm on July 28, 2002
Not everyone who isn't a a homophobic, anti-semite Stalinist like lenin is a liberal.


agreed, such as myself. I am not homophobic, not anti-semite, and no stalinist. but i am no radical liberal

this doesn't mean we don't have many, we have 75% of our leftists are strong radical liberals

[RedSovietCCCP]

Quote: from Malte on 9:56 pm on July 28, 2002
I'm not interested in a discussion with you, RedSoviet. It's the same boring discussion with you totalitarians right-wing commies again and again. You and lenin already lost all the discussions here, no need to say anything more to you.



Malte, I don't ever remember you arguing against me and Lenin. You let Michael do all the work. You are just a cheerleader for all the liberals. Do you even know anything about communism? I don't think you do. And we lost? Your more of a stupid ass than I thought. You fucking kicked off Lenin so don't give me that shit. Right wing commies? Your "god" Che was just as totalitarian as me. He was a fucking Maoist! He beleived in the Maoist regime which was very much totalitarian. I will give you a quote if you want. So please shut you fucking mouth little boy!

[peaccenicked]

"Liberty is, therefore, the right to do everything which does not harm others... It is a question of the liberty of man regarded as an isolated monad, withdrawn into himself." Elaborating: "The right of property, is, therefore, the right to enjoy one's fortunes and dispose of it as he will; without regard for other men and independently of society... It leads every man to see in other men, not the realization, but rather the limitation of his own liberty'' Marx on the jewish question.
This is how Marx view's liberty, not as an antagonist but to make it real.
As for Lenin's quote he is referring to bourgeois liberals,
Here is is view of transition.
"But the dictatorship of the proletariat - i.e., the organization of the vanguard of the oppressed as the ruling class for the purpose of crushing the oppressors - cannot produce merely an expansion of democracy. Together with an immense expansion of democracy which for the first time becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the rich folk, the dictatorship of the proletariat produces a series of restrictions of liberty in the case of the oppressors, the exploiters, the capitalists. We must crush them in order to free humanity from wage slavery; their resistance must be broken by force; it is clear that where there is suppression there is also violence, there is no liberty, no democracy.

Engels expressed this splendidly in his letter to Bebel when he said, as the reader will remember, that "as long as the proletariat still needs the state, it needs it, not in the interests of freedom, but for the purpose of crushing its antagonists; and as soon as it becomes possible to speak of freedom, then the state, as such, ceases to exist."

Democracy for the vast majority of the people, and suppression by force, i.e., exclusion from democracy, of the exploiters and oppressors of the people - this is the modification of democracy during the transition from capitalism to Communism.

Only in Communist society, when the resistance of the capitalists has been completely broken, when the capitalists have disappeared, when there are no classes (i.e., there is no difference between the members of society in their relation to the social means of production), only then "the state ceases to exist," and " it becomes possible to speak of freedom ." Only then a really full democracy, a democracy without any exceptions, will be possible and will be realized. And only then will democracy itself begin to wither away due to the simple fact that, freed from capitalist slavery, from the untold horrors, savagery, absurdities, and infamies of capitalist exploitation, people will gradually become accustomed to the observance of the elementary rules of social life that have been known for centuries and repeated for thousands of years in all school books; they will become accustomed to observing them
without force, without compulsion, without subordination, without the special apparatus for compulsion which is called the state.'' Lenin State and Revolution.
You stalinist's only seem to dwell on forceful means.
Che Guevara argued for a complete man integrated into his community.
This completeness is in the spirit of the realisation of true relations between people therefore communism is the realisation of true individual liberty. THis is the essential goal of communism.
What do you and the Stalinists do? Come on this site and spread anti human shit that is the enemy of communism. You define people who hate anti human shit as liberals.
It is pure nonsense. You and your cohorts are anti-working class through and through.
You know shit and you expouse shit.

[Edelweiss]

Redsoviet, I used to agrgue a lot with yuri about Stalinism but as I said, I'm tired of it it's just the same discussion again and again. This "I'm the true communist not you" discussions are boring and stupid and don't bring us forward at all. You are scaring people off with your totalitarian phantasies, and you know it. Therefore you Stalinists jerks are obviesly not interested in a real social change at all, losers like you RedSoviet just need to label themself with a repressive dictator just to compensate your own complexes.:) The people who where in the socialist (not bourgeois
!) opposition of the former socialist states who have been repressed by Stalinist regimes most of their live would spy on you. As I said in another post: You are the evil communist that the conservatives want to see in us, and very very counter-productive for the socialist cause. Your statements on this board could be easily used for any cheap anti-communist propaganda. You are just living in the past, worshipping a fallen empire. You have no real answers for the political questions of today for the people. You can't argue with the working class of today by quoting Mao and Stalin, you totally lost the connection to reality.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Nateddi on 9:01 pm on July 28, 2002
@ guerrillaradio - dzerzhinsky/lenin especially wanted you :)

I´m touched...can´t say I "especially want" lenin though. Hmm...sounds like the homphobe´s a closet homosexual. And you can tell him I said that. Who the fuck is Dzerzhinsky btw??

[Nateddi]

>>Who the fuck is Dzerzhinsky btw??

That is lenin's name on the lyceum (http://thelyceum.org).

[RedSovietCCCP]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 5:25 am on July 29, 2002
What do you and the Stalinists do? Come on this site and spread anti human shit that is the enemy of communism. You define people who hate anti human shit as liberals.
It is pure nonsense. You and your cohorts are anti-working class through and through.
You know shit and you expouse shit.




Lets look at yours and everybody elses liberal views that have no meaning to socialism/communism.

Pro-choice- (you have the nerve to call me anti-human when you and every other liberal on this site is in support of terminating a unborn baby.)

Anti-death penalty- (the reform system is a joke. Reform does not work. I took many CRJ classes and the reform system doesn't work and it is proven. We studied many forms of justice systems and those justice system that have the most extreme laws against murderers and other criminals have the least amount of crime.)

Anti-god - (I have is a quote from the head of the CPUSA " Our war isn't against god but a war against Capitalism." This person that wrote this was a big time liberal also.)

Free speech - (nothing but part of bourgeois democracy as V. Lenin puts it. I'm in favor of limited free speech not full.)

Freedom to be perverted and other sick shit (gay) - (these are sick people that need help. They are almost to the level of child molesters)

And many other things I can put down. I don't beleive in this bourgeois freedom and I get called anti-human. This is what I beleive.

Pro-jobs - (everybody has a chance to have a job)

Pro-education - (free education for all)

Pro-justice - (anybody who commits a crime gets punished to the extreme)

Economic Equality - (Everybody is equal on a economic standpoint)

Free health Care - (free health Care for all the working class.)

Pro-housing - (Housing for all the working class.)

Pro-government - (everybody should support the party's government)

Pro-military - (to protect the socialist counrty from many outside threats.)

There is many more I can put down. If you didn't notice on this site people put there personal freedom before the freedom of the working class. Like I said again and again communism is the working class party. Nothing else. Not your liberal (BOURGEOIS) freedoms!

[Xvall]

LOL!! LMAO!!
Okay, let me get this straight..
You're a Pro-Life, Pro-Death penalty communist!? LOL!

[Red Revolution]

I tried to register on the lyceum if only to tell those racists where to get off but they look at what you post before they put it on the forum so they never put anything I write on.
I'm registered as revolution1 if anyones interested?
I don't think I want to go back, Its pointless, you can't argue with them cos they won't let you have your say.

[RedSovietCCCP]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 9:43 pm on July 29, 2002
LOL!! LMAO!!
Okay, let me get this straight..
You're a Pro-Life, Pro-Death penalty communist!? LOL!


Your a fucking idiot! Go to any communist counrty and you will see that they have the same views as me. How old are you Drake? You act like your 11 years old. Communism as nothing to do with these issues. FUCKING FAGOT!

[RedSovietCCCP]

Quote: from Red Revolution on 9:58 pm on July 29, 2002
I tried to register on the lyceum if only to tell those racists where to get off but they look at what you post before they put it on the forum so they never put anything I write on.
I'm registered as revolution1 if anyones interested?
I don't think I want to go back, Its pointless, you can't argue with them cos they won't let you have your say.



They look at your post before they put it on? Your full of shit. You don't go on because your arguments get shot down quickly because you don't have all your liberal freinds backing you up! You don't have shit!

[Xvall]

Quote: from RedSovietCCCP on 10:41 pm on July 29, 2002

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 9:43 pm on July 29, 2002
LOL!! LMAO!!
Okay, let me get this straight..
You're a Pro-Life, Pro-Death penalty communist!? LOL!


Your a fucking idiot! Go to any communist counrty and you will see that they have the same views as me. How old are you Drake? You act like your 11 years old. Communism as nothing to do with these issues. FUCKING FAGOT!


REDSOVIETCCCP STATE YOUR SOURCE!!!1111

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from RedSovietCCCP on 10:41 pm on July 29, 2002

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 9:43 pm on July 29, 2002
LOL!! LMAO!!
Okay, let me get this straight..
You're a Pro-Life, Pro-Death penalty communist!? LOL!


Your a fucking idiot! Go to any communist counrty and you will see that they have the same views as me. How old are you Drake? You act like your 11 years old. Communism as nothing to do with these issues. FUCKING FAGOT!



first of all a faggot is a flamboyant Gay man, unless Drake is talking with a fake lisp and waving his limp wrist in your face while walking with his hip's swishing he aint a faggot.

second what the hell is up with your arguement?

The rights of the working class? Man do you think working class girls don't need the occasional abortion.

The rights of the working classs don't neccasarily conflict with that of liberal veiws.

[RedSovietCCCP]

Drake, I just proved that your nothing but a little kid. Thats all you got for your argument. I feel like I'm arguing with my little brother. Go on and imitate me all you want just like the little boy that you are. LOL.. you little boys make me laugh.

[RedSovietCCCP]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 11:08 pm on July 29, 2002

Quote: from RedSovietCCCP on 10:41 pm on July 29, 2002

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 9:43 pm on July 29, 2002
LOL!! LMAO!!
Okay, let me get this straight..
You're a Pro-Life, Pro-Death penalty communist!? LOL!


Your a fucking idiot! Go to any communist counrty and you will see that they have the same views as me. How old are you Drake? You act like your 11 years old. Communism as nothing to do with these issues. FUCKING FAGOT!



first of all a faggot is a flamboyant Gay man, unless Drake is talking with a fake lisp and waving his limp wrist in your face while walking with his hip's swishing he aint a faggot.

second what the hell is up with your arguement?

The rights of the working class? Man do you think working class girls don't need the occasional abortion.

The rights of the working classs don't neccasarily conflict with that of liberal veiws.


Lard, no I don't think they need a abortion. They need to be a lot more educated about birth control and other things to prevent unplanned pregnancy.

[Lardlad95]

people aren't always gonna use their best judgement.

I'm not pro abortion, I think its morally wrong but its like getting a tatto only more serious, its your body do with it what you will.

[peaccenicked]

Red? CCCP
You are living in the dark ages.
This article might bring you up to speed a little on the issue of homosexuality.
http://www.etext.org/Politics/AlternativeO.../v2n2_mth1.html (http://www.etext.org/Politics/AlternativeOrange/2/v2n2_mth1.html)

Here on the death penalty http://www.etext.org/Politics/AlternativeO.../v2n2_mth1.html (http://www.etext.org/Politics/AlternativeOrange/2/v2n2_mth1.html)

And here is something of the human side of pro choice that you neandrathals dont consider.

''Abortion: Pro Choice View


Hong Chen
Composition I

Abortion is a growing issue in America among women and their right to
reproduce children. Approximately one to three million abortions are done each
year. Women get abortions for many reasons such as for rape, teen pregnancy and
health reasons.
Rape is one of many reasons that cause women to choose abortion to end
their pregnancies. What to do about their pregnancy is mandatory, although many
or them felt they were ending a life. They are wise enough to know how they
would treat their illegitimate child. They hate their rapist, and worry that if
they kept their babies, they would hate their children for reminding them of
such a painful time.
Young women between 15 and 19 account for at least 5 million abortions
every year -- 1 million of them in the United States. In fact, one of every five
pregnancies happens to a teen-age girl. In situations like this, some people are
sure that they could take care of the child, while others know that they aren't
ready or mature enough to take so much responsibility. In many cases the child
would have no one to rely on but a single mother with no schooling, and maybe a
non-supportive family. He or she would have a twisted, miserable upbringing,
left vulnerable later in life.
Another reason that causes women choice abortion is health problem.
There is a range of problems, including the child being born with Down's
Syndrome, Cystic Fibrosis, or a disposition to obesity, which can later in life
cause clogged arteries and heart failure. In another case, people must often
make choice between saving the mother, already a functioning member of society,
or letting her die to try and save the baby.
In conclusion, for any pregnant woman, making a decision to abort her
child is painful and ruthless, but under certain situation such as rape, young
age and health reasons, a woman would choose to terminate her pregnant by
abortion. ''
internet post

[RedSovietCCCP]

First of all peaccnicked, I'm not against abortion for extreme cases that you have listed on your posting. But I am against some ignorant girl that has sex with no type of birth control and because she was stupid enough to get pregnent (without her wanting it) she gets a abortion. I have met many of females that have got more than 2 abortions because of there stupidity. Do you agree with this?

For the gay issue, like I said over and over again they should get help. It's a illness that can get treated. And you ask me if I'm living in the dark ages? You should know during the dark ages and the Greek and Roman times homosexuality was looked upon as a sign of power. Even more so if a man had sex with a boy (which is fucking crazy).

Both those web-sites you have posted are the same. Don't get me going on the death penalty. I'm a Criminal Justice major and studied all kinds of justice systems and the pros and cons of the death penalty. Don't make me break out all the text books.

[peaccenicked]

oops my mistake.
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~marto/adpp/cuba.htm
How can you believe homosexuality is an illness, it is nothing of the sort and it is only reactionaries who associate with child molesting. Anybody who as actually studied the issues will tell you this.
So what are you saying, about pro- choice, yes but no but how can you tell when. What gives you the right to decide?

[peaccenicked]

You will find your homosexuality myths answered authoritatively here. http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/orient.html

(Edited by peaccenicked at 1:34 am on July 30, 2002)

[Michael De Panama]

Hahahahaha!

Your "god" Che was just as totalitarian as me. He was a fucking Maoist! He beleived in the Maoist regime which was very much totalitarian.

First off, and I've explained this many times, Che was a guerrilla, and was a huge fan of Mao's style of warfare. In this sense, he is Maoist. But in the totalitarian political sense, he isn't, otherwise he'd be gathering up a peasant revolution rather than a proletarian revolution. But whatever, if it makes you happy to believe Che is on your side, then go ahead and believe that.

Lets look at yours and everybody elses liberal views that have no meaning to socialism/communism.

Pro-choice- (you have the nerve to call me anti-human when you and every other liberal on this site is in support of terminating a unborn baby.)

Mmm-hmm. Of course, you misogynists usually don't understand such things that women sometimes have to go through with an abortion. I'm not in favor of girls just being total sluts and getting away with it, though.

Anti-death penalty- (the reform system is a joke. Reform does not work. I took many CRJ classes and the reform system doesn't work and it is proven. We studied many forms of justice systems and those justice system that have the most extreme laws against murderers and other criminals have the least amount of crime.)

On the contrary, sonny. The USA is the only fully developed nation in the world that still uses the death penalty. And isn't it sad that it just happens to be the MOST developed nation?

Anti-god - (I have is a quote from the head of the CPUSA " Our war isn't against god but a war against Capitalism." This person that wrote this was a big time liberal also.)

Your little friend "Lenin" or "Dzerz" is much more anti-God than I am. I'm agnostic. I don't wish to believe in any one set of beliefs, because there is no proof to back up any such beliefs, including athiesm. So I'll accept God just as much as I'll accept athiesm. There's just as much a chance that either side is right.

Free speech - (nothing but part of bourgeois democracy as V. Lenin puts it. I'm in favor of limited free speech not full.)

Then why the fuck do you exercise your freedom of speech by reciting such bullshit?

Freedom to be perverted and other sick shit (gay) - (these are sick people that need help. They are almost to the level of child molesters)

How the fuck is it almost on the level of child molesters? Homosexual relations don't harm anybody. Child molestation is very damaging. Look, I'd never fuck another guy, but if someone else wants to, why should I care? People have different tastes. And if it isn't hurting anyone, you shouldn't stick your stupid little nose into it. Kay?

[Edelweiss]

How RedSoviet is convincing people of communism:
"After the revolution we'll take away all your personal freedom. We'll set up a repressive totalitarian regime like Stalin did. If you'll be against us we'll kill you. Come, join us!" :biggrin:

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from RedSovietCCCP on 12:47 am on July 30, 2002
First of all peaccnicked, I'm not against abortion for extreme cases that you have listed on your posting. But I am against some ignorant girl that has sex with no type of birth control and because she was stupid enough to get pregnent (without her wanting it) she gets a abortion. I have met many of females that have got more than 2 abortions because of there stupidity. Do you agree with this?

For the gay issue, like I said over and over again they should get help. It's a illness that can get treated. And you ask me if I'm living in the dark ages? You should know during the dark ages and the Greek and Roman times homosexuality was looked upon as a sign of power. Even more so if a man had sex with a boy (which is fucking crazy).

Both those web-sites you have posted are the same. Don't get me going on the death penalty. I'm a Criminal Justice major and studied all kinds of justice systems and the pros and cons of the death penalty. Don't make me break out all the text books.


there is a difference between pedophillia and homosexuality.

I mean its just some people's sexual prefference....some people like to be tied up and be whiped, some people like another dude...granted homosexuality makes me want to vomit it aint mine or your buisness.


Besides if you treated it there would be no more lesbian pron....I swear to God if you get rid of that I'll kill you

[Nateddi]

... and some people prefer pre-pubecent girls and boys.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Nateddi on 7:40 pm on July 30, 2002
... and some people prefer pre-pubecent girls and boys.

that would be classified as disgusting.

[Nateddi]

thats your opinion; but wouldn't whippings and homosexuality constitute that as well?

i have no problem with either of the two as long as it stays private. i am not ready for gay people to be making out and holding hands in public. call me a bigot.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Nateddi on 8:20 pm on July 30, 2002
thats your opinion; but wouldn't whippings and homosexuality constitute that as well?

i have no problem with either of the two as long as it stays private. i am not ready for gay people to be making out and holding hands in public. call me a bigot.

I hope you aren't starting to think I'm gay....I love the pussy just so it is clear.

The whippings.....(lardlad's eyes shift)

anyway it isn't like they are pounding each other's asses in public so what the deal. Yes it is nasty but I'm not gonna picket it.

[Nateddi]

lmao, i never thought you were gay

[Lardlad95]

can you tell me how to post pictures?

[STALINSOLDIERS]

to malte how do you think people like you would rule a country if thier is no war.....people like me,ts red soviet,lenin would be most likely to rule a country then you would so i hope red soviet fucks you over.....

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 11:04 pm on July 30, 2002
to malte how do you think people like you would rule a country if thier is no war.....people like me,ts red soviet,lenin would be most likely to rule a country then you would so i hope red soviet fucks you over.....

but when you do more people would be likely to take it back..

Heres an idea try to get the peoples favor instead so that the majority(almost everyone) wants you in office instead of just going in and killing people who disagree.

[Edelweiss]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 11:32 pm on July 30, 2002

Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 11:04 pm on July 30, 2002
to malte how do you think people like you would rule a country if thier is no war.....people like me,ts red soviet,lenin would be most likely to rule a country then you would so i hope red soviet fucks you over.....

but when you do more people would be likely to take it back..

Heres an idea try to get the peoples favor instead so that the majority(almost everyone) wants you in office instead of just going in and killing people who disagree.

Repression causes resistance. Always!

[Mazdak]

I agree with Stalinsoldiers, but Redsoviet? An illness? How could you call it that. it is not some kinda disease. However, i am extremely pro choice, i agree that a stupid teenage slut who gets like 5 by the age of 17 shouldnt be allowed, she should be sterilized. There are too many people on this planet. I like Indira Ghandis' son's idea (the one who died in plane crash)about population control. mass sterilization.

[STALINSOLDIERS]

sorry for not adding you in the list comrade Mazdak i shall not forget.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from Mazdak on 11:41 pm on July 30, 2002
I agree with Stalinsoldiers, but Redsoviet? An illness? How could you call it that. it is not some kinda disease. However, i am extremely pro choice, i agree that a stupid teenage slut who gets like 5 by the age of 17 shouldnt be allowed, she should be sterilized. There are too many people on this planet. I like Indira Ghandis' son's idea (the one who died in plane crash)about population control. mass sterilization.

I've said this before, Mazdak, but I definitely think you are by far the most decent Stalinist on this site. I have a lot more respect for you than for RedSovietCCCP and Dzerz, who are simply on the level of children.

I don't think there are many pro-choice people who are simply in favor of girls slutting around and getting away with it. Every pro-choice person always makes it a point to say, "I don't think that women should just have sex and toss the fetus out for no good reason, but I do think that in some cases it is necessary." Why bother mentioning this? Just understand that this is the norm.

[Michael De Panama]

Can I be on your list of comrades, SS? Pleeeeeeeease? I'll be your best friend! I'll invite you to my party!!

[andresG]

StalinSoldier I want to be on your list of comrades too!!
It would be hilarious to be in a meeting of these "comrades".
I can picture it now.

[libereco]

Goddamn some people just make me sick. Sick as in ready to puke.

Control hungry people who think they know whats best for everyone! That is all you are. You think you've been enlightened (proabalby by god, eh Redsoviet?) and now it's time to decide what is best for others?

If you don't like homosexuality - fuck women (or men if you're a woman).

If you want to obey to your god - do so.

If you don't like abortions - don't have one. Educate people on birth preventions, ect.

Do you see what I'm getting at?

You worship your Dictators of the past as gods, dictators that have abused the people of this world in the name of the proletariat (wich they abused worst of all) - while all they wanted was power.

And you think you have a right to tell me how to live my life? You? Mr Redsoviet?

Let me tell you something:
You walk around telling people that they are "children" in order to discredit their arguments instead of actually adressing them. You know what that is called? It's called doging.
All you can do is use ad hominem attacks - you never actually back up anything you say with logic. It's just right because "Your a child!!! LOLLOL!!! At the lyceum youd stand no chance man!!! LOL! You liberal!!!". Yesss...right.

Well go to your little lyceum playground and have a giant circlejerk with your fascist and stalinist mates - I don't fucking care. But you should know that if you ever tried to enter a serious mailing list or newsgroup you'd be torn apart in no time.

Seriously, at least some of the capitalists try to back up what they say. You resort to name calling.
I'll go ahead and do the same, because honestly you don't deserve better. I don't agree with many of Nateddi's ideas and ideals - but at least he's able to express himself above the level of a 9 year old!

With people like you calling themselves communist it's no wonder people are scared off of co-operation.

You're just an idiot. A closet fascist. A wannabe Opressor. Thats it.

----

I'm not in a good mood - so thats why I may come off as an asshole. But you know what? Fuck that - no need to be nice to wannabe Stalins.

I can't get into a big discussion right now anyways since I'll be gone for three weeks.



(Edited by libereco at 4:19 am on July 31, 2002)

[peaccenicked]

I am pro-choice even for ''sluts''. If someone thinks they cant take on the serious responsibility of motherhood.
Who am I to slap them in the face with a fucking holier than thou morality.
If they feel that their sexual behaviour is irresponsible,
it may affect their judgement. Abortion is not an easy solution it stays and grinds away at a persons personality, not only always just the woman.
I am pro life but every child deserves to be wanted and thought about as a very long term project.

[Lefty]

i agree with peaccenicked. This thread really pisses me off. There are two ends of a spectrum represented, and the right (RedCCCP) is clearly being beaten down, but maybe some of what hes saying is correct. I dont know. Maybe i should leave this debating shit to the smarter people on the site (Nateddi, Peacce, Malte, etc) but as far as i can tell the revolution wont get anywhere with all this *****fighting. Calm down and find a middleground.

[STALINSOLDIERS]

i think malte is gay....hes not a commie hes a fake

[libereco]

Quote: from RedSovietCCCP on 9:40 pm on July 29, 2002


Pro-choice- (you have the nerve to call me anti-human when you and every other liberal on this site is in support of terminating a unborn baby.)

Okay. Now go ahead and explain to me how aborting equals killing a human.

How does "killing" this http://www.babyzimmer.ch/23entwicklung/nach-4-Tagen-Kopie.gif equal killing a human being?

This is just a cluster of cells. It's not a human being. Yes it has the potential to become a human being - but so does the semen you spew when jerking off to stalin. Is using birth control murder too?

Anti-death penalty- (the reform system is a joke. Reform does not work. I took many CRJ classes and the reform system doesn't work and it is proven. We studied many forms of justice systems and those justice system that have the most extreme laws against murderers and other criminals have the least amount of crime.)

I love how you just claim that something is "proven" without backing it up AT ALL. I don't see why I should even search for statistics to prove you wrong.
I'll simply do it your way and claim it is "proven". Ridiculous.

Anti-god - (I have is a quote from the head of the CPUSA " Our war isn't against god but a war against Capitalism." This person that wrote this was a big time liberal also.)

See...noone gives a shit if you believe in god. But apparently you do feel the need to let us know that you do - and since we know about your authorian nature, would it be save to assume that you don't accept atheists?

Free speech - (nothing but part of bourgeois democracy as V. Lenin puts it. I'm in favor of limited free speech not full.)

I'm not suprised that you are afraid of free speech. You might actually be exposed for what you are.

"It [the telephone] will unmake our work. No greater instrument of counter-revolution and conspiracy can be imagined." - Stalin

You claim you work for the people, but you really want to gag them and control.

Freedom to be perverted and other sick shit (gay) - (these are sick people that need help. They are almost to the level of child molesters)

Your conservative upbringing doesn't make it wrong to like other things than missionary sex in a dark bedroom. I'm sorry if you feel offended by people doing "sick shit". Go live in a monastary! Noone forces you to do anything - why do you feel the need to force others to do as you wish??!

Comparing homosexual sex to child molesting is just ridiculous. There is a big difference between two consenting adults having sex and having sex with an underage kid that is not yet sexually mature. If you can't see a difference -try harder-.



Pro-justice - (anybody who commits a crime gets punished to the extreme)

do you mean a crime like speaking my mind or crime like fucking my neighbour in the ass?

Pro-government - (everybody should support the party's government)

once more we have an authorian putting the party above the people. go kill a few dissidents. Read 1984 or something...

Pro-military - (to protect the socialist counrty from many outside threats.)

so you want to enslave the working class under generals that just kill the youth off (of any nation partaking in a war)? I'm not suprised.
At least you don't try to hide that you're a nationalist and value the nation higher than the class!

(Edited by libereco at 5:43 am on July 31, 2002)