Petition to clean up the MIA

[Sand Castle]

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/petition/514092091


Target:
Marxists.org (Marxist Internet Archive)

Sponsored by:
The Masses (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/feedback/514092091)


We the undersigned demand the following,

The Removal of the following people from the Archive:
Mussolini
Nietzsche
Adam Smith
John Locke
JFK
Heisenberg
Konrad Lorenz
Carl Jung
Max Weber
Milton Friedman
F. Fukuyama
Vilfredo Pareto

Review and possible removal of the following:
George Berkeley, Babeuf, Bakunin, William Blake, Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk, Pierre Bourdieu, Franz Brentano, Samuel Butler, Deng Xiaoping, J. Derrida, René Descartes, De Tocqueville, Dewey, Dilthey, Durkheim, S. Faure, L. Feuerbach (pre Marx), Fichte, FS Fitzgerald, M. Foucault, Freud, Galilei, Kurt Gödel, E. Goldstein, H. Helmholtz, Hume, Husserl, Ibsen, W. James, R. Jakobson, WS Jevons, T. Kuhn, Lamettrie (materialist but no dialectician), Leibniz, Lyotard, Pareto, Saussure, Schopenhauer, BF Skinner, Th. Veblen, W. Wundt, Chomsky, Clausewitz, Kierkegaard, Heidegger, Jaspers, Carnap, Auguste Comte, Croce, Darwin, Keynes.

Anyone who *clearly* was pro-socialist, but not Marxist, should just be labeled, in a very obvious manner, as a non-Marxist socialist. None of this applies to Stalinists.

If the MIA doesn't comply, we will cease to use it, write complaints about it, and the like. We don't do this out of hate for the MIA, but out of love for Marxism. You don't have to put your real address (the website wont give it to anyone anyway). You can use a fake name if you'd like. You can use your real name or be anonymous. You need to use a real email address (required by website, but wont be given out). I'm signature #1 and I used my real name and stuff (b/c I'm tough). Thanks in advance.

Sign Today!

[Die Neue Zeit]

^^^ The problem is that MIA is a Trot-biased website already. :(

[Niccolò Rossi]

No, why would anyone sign that. They are in the reference archive, just for the sake of interest. Sure you can argue it based on clutter, but the MIA have more pressing concerns in terms of organisationof their archives, fixing the many spelling errors in their texts and uploading the many, many missing works of Marxists beside Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky.

Jacob is also right about the Trotskyist bias.

[Martin Blank]

Zeitgeist already made the relevant points, but it should also be pointed out that the people who administer the archive are all volunteers and also have real jobs, so if you want corrections made or more documents added, the quickest way to have that happen is to contact them and help out.

[Die Neue Zeit]

No, why would anyone sign that. They are in the reference archive, just for the sake of interest. Sure you can argue it based on clutter, but the MIA have more pressing concerns in terms of organisationof their archives, fixing the many spelling errors in their texts and uploading the many, many missing works of Marxists beside Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky.

Jacob is also right about the Trotskyist bias.

Comrade, I e-mailed them regarding the absence of Bordiga's Dialogue with Stalin. One of them, a definite "Trotsky's Witness," condescendingly replied that I should upload the file myself. :rolleyes:

Oh, since Bebel (http://www.marxists.org/glossary/people/b/e.htm) found "socialism and communism" "totally unfamiliar concepts, double-duth words," I want to know the source of that.

[Random Precision]

Comrade, I e-mailed them regarding the absence of Bordiga's Dialogue with Stalin. One of them, a definite "Trotsky's Witness," condescendingly replied that I should upload the file myself. :rolleyes:

Have you ever considered that just maybe they don't have every obscure Marxist text on hand to upload whenever some random email asks them to?

[Martin Blank]

Have you ever considered that just maybe they don't have every obscure Marxist text on hand to upload whenever some random email asks them to?

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

Give that comrade a cigar!

[Sand Castle]

No, why would anyone sign that. They are in the reference archive, just for the sake of interest. Sure you can argue it based on clutter, but the MIA have more pressing concerns...
:rolleyes:


but it should also be pointed out that the people who administer the archive are all volunteers and also have real jobs, so if you want corrections made or more documents added, the quickest way to have that happen is to contact them and help out.
:rolleyes:

Oh, but they had the time to upload all that fascist crap, but no time to fix it. I wasn't born yesterday.

You must contribute to join. I have nothing to contribute. It's all either copyrighted or on there already. If anything, the petition will help convince them to let more volunteers in to fulfill the demands of the petition.

[Vanguard1917]

No. The MIA should be as broad a library of relevant authors as possible.

[Sublevarse]

Oh, but they had the time to upload all that fascist crap, but no time to fix it.

The authors being petitioned for removal only have one or two of their works uploaded. Some of them, like Friedman and Mussolini, only have small sections of one of their works uploaded. It is not as if they have a huge amount of fascist material.

[Martin Blank]

Oh, but they had the time to upload all that fascist crap, but no time to fix it. I wasn't born yesterday.

You must contribute to join. I have nothing to contribute. It's all either copyrighted or on there already. If anything, the petition will help convince them to let more volunteers in to fulfill the demands of the petition.

You don't have to be born yesterday to be just as stupid.

If you want to contribute something, find one of those articles with typos and ... CORRECT IT! Or, if there's something you want to see on there, find it and send it to them. A lot of times, there are no copyrights on the actual texts, only on the composition of the book.

But if your only intention is to "join" the MIA to gut the reference archive and "purify" the site, don't bother. You won't get through the door. Trust me on this one. I know the people who run the site, and used to be a director for one of the major archives myself.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Jesus Christ. Some people are fucking stupid. That website is a wonderful resource, not just because of the Marxists texts, but also because of the non-Marxist ones. Like it or not, many of those on those list are of historical importance, and might have influenced marxists. Including texts by people who disagree with "Marxism" encourages critical thought, allows people to see different ideas and to compare them easily and rather quickly (and for free!), as well as giving a complete historical perspective on everything, including dissent, which is definately more honest than propaganda. Why assume that only stereotypical "marxist" texts are of more interest to marxists than texts written by Darwin? Why does this assume that certain ideas of such writers can't be compatible with Marxism? Also, the site itself clearly states (here:h ttp://www.marxists.org/admin/legal/charter.htm#c7 (http://www.marxists.org/admin/legal/charter.htm#c7)) that


If any one of the following criteria apply, the MIA Collective may decide to place the writer into the Reference Archive: (i) they pre-date Marx and Engels, (ii) they specifically reject Marxism, (iii) their work is practically and theoretically unconnected or hostile toward the workers movement, (iv) their work is idealistic or lacking in dialectic.

By the way, I find this to be particularly silly:


The right wing will even use this situation against the MIA

Sure, because having texts by Friedman and Adam Smith is an example of why the Red Threat must be stopped! Ban the evil commies for spreading those evil lies around!

[Sand Castle]

Sure, because having texts by Friedman and Adam Smith is an example of why the Red Threat must be stopped! Ban the evil commies for spreading those evil lies around!
No, because they have the works of Nazis and Mussolini in there. They could at least put more obvious labels so ignorant (non-insult) people don't get mixed up. Archives should be better organized.


You don't have to be born yesterday to be just as stupid. Yes, and you're a fine example of this.

[Martin Blank]

Yes, and you're a fine example of this.

[email protected]!! I wuz pwn3d!!11 lolz

[YSR]

Sultan, please don't flame in this forum. CL, you too.

[black magick hustla]

This is a fucking retarded petition. I hate anti-intellectual shit-sticks like you. What is wrong with Liebniz or Adam Smith? Did you know marxist economics is rooted on "capitalist" economists like Smith or Ricardo.

Jesus, you are such a fucking tool.

[More Fire for the People]

I would sign this petition... if I were shit for brains.