Hypocrisy of the Right wing - Highlights how hypocritical an

[Bandalong]

I found this quote on this forum. I thought that it so wonderfully displays the hypocrisy and irrationality of the right wing that it was worth a new thread.

"I agree wholeheartly with this article. Refute this and explain how American liberalism can be perceived as anything, but a threat to national security. Do you not condone the violent overthrow of the government? Haven't you done everything in your power to undermine the War on Terror? Are you not in favor of cutting military expenditures and allowing any imigrant to come to America?"-Stormin Norman

Hey remember the following facts:

1) Freedom of Speech. Evil Right-wingers and good liberals are all entitled to their own opinions and the right to express them.

2) Just because you do not support the misguided opinions of the Right wing does not mean you wish to violently overthrow the government. America has peaceful elections to do that. Just wait we''ll get you evil right wing republicans out of the Sencate, Congress and White House PEACEFULLY and LEGALLY

3) You are using the War on Terror to justify your wish to suppress the civil liberties that make America great.

4) America's military is second to none. Its education and health-care system are second to all of Europe. Which do you think is more desperately in need of money.

5) America is a nation built on immigrants. Unless Stormin Norman is a Native America I suspect he may be an immigrant too.

I put it to you who is the real traitor? Peaceful liberals or this right winger whose only wish is to suppress the civil liberties and freedoms that make America great.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Bandalong on 6:52 pm on July 26, 2002
I found this quote on this forum. I thought that it so wonderfully displays the hypocrisy and irrationality of the right wing that it was worth a new thread.

"I agree wholeheartly with this article. Refute this and explain how American liberalism can be perceived as anything, but a threat to national security. Do you not condone the violent overthrow of the government? Haven't you done everything in your power to undermine the War on Terror? Are you not in favor of cutting military expenditures and allowing any imigrant to come to America?"-Stormin Norman

Hey remember the following facts:

1) Freedom of Speech. Evil Right-wingers and good liberals are all entitled to their own opinions and the right to express them.

2) Just because you do not support the misguided opinions of the Right wing does not mean you wish to violently overthrow the government. America has peaceful elections to do that. Just wait we''ll get you evil right wing republicans out of the Sencate, Congress and White House PEACEFULLY and LEGALLY

3) You are using the War on Terror to justify your wish to suppress the civil liberties that make America great.

4) America's military is second to none. Its education and health-care system are second to all of Europe. Which do you think is more desperately in need of money.

5) America is a nation built on immigrants. Unless Stormin Norman is a Native America I suspect he may be an immigrant too.

I put it to you who is the real traitor? Peaceful liberals or this right winger whose only wish is to suppress the civil liberties and freedoms that make America great.

"1) Freedom of Speech. Evil Right-wingers and good liberals are all entitled to their own opinions and the right to express them."

OK, we agree on that.

"2) Just because you do not support the misguided opinions of the Right wing does not mean you wish to violently overthrow the government. America has peaceful elections to do that. Just wait we''ll get you evil right wing republicans out of the Sencate, Congress and White House PEACEFULLY and LEGALLY"

If that is the will of the American people, I will recognize the change, but I am pretty confident that the conservative presence in the house will remain if not grow. I think SN was referring to liberal radicals who wish to do more than "peacefully protest". Have you read some of the violent threats from some of the hard-core pinkos in here?

"3) You are using the War on Terror to justify your wish to suppress the civil liberties that make America great."

LOL, dude, get serious. Last time I checked, we did not just make up the war on terror, it was brought to us on 9/11, and our action in afghanistan is retalitory in nature. No one wants to compromise civil liberties, nor do I think they have really been compromised that much. However, civil doctrine during wartime changes for the duration of the war.

"4) America's military is second to none. Its education and health-care system are second to all of Europe. Which do you think is more desperately in need of money."

We need to maintain a powerful military as a deterrent to future enemy interdiction and to maintain american sovereignty and a sphere of influence. Our public education system could use work, but the US has the worlds largest % of college grads, 24%, and our colleges are 2nd to none and highly accessible through scholarships, grants, and loans. Our medical technology is 2nd to none, and contrary to commie propoganda, most people are covered by some kind of insurance or medicare. There are also free clinics, and no one in a serious emergency is turned away by a hospital.

"5) America is a nation built on immigrants. Unless Stormin Norman is a Native America I suspect he may be an immigrant too."

I agree, legitimate, legal, documented immigrants that came to make a home and a name for themselves in this greatest of nations. Not terrorist insurgents that seek to infiltrate the United States fraudulently with malicious intent to destroy it.

That, my friend, is not protected under the constitution.






(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 7:29 pm on July 26, 2002)

[James]

LOL, dude, get serious. Last time I checked, we did not just make up the war on terror, it was brought to us on 9/11, and our action in afghanistan is retalitory in nature. No one wants to compromise civil liberties, nor do I think they have really been compromised that much. However, civil doctrine during wartime changes for the duration of the war.


Do you know about the reichstag fire? I'd love to hear your opinion on the event CI.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I've never heard of it, James, but it sounds intriguing, enlighten me.

[Moskitto]

The Reichstag burned down and Hitler used it as an excuse to remove dissent (Commies.)

[James]

http://worldatwar.net/event/reichstagsbrand/

http://www.weyrich.com/political_issues/re...hstag_fire.html (http://www.weyrich.com/political_issues/reichstag_fire.html)

Both very good short articles. I'll do some extra personal work if you want CI...i could only glance read through both things. Hope it enlightens you.

[Red Revolution]

Quote: from Moskitto on 9:34 pm on July 26, 2002
The Reichstag burned down and Hitler used it as an excuse to remove dissent (Commies.)


Year, but not forgetting that Hitler got his own SA to burn it down for him

[Moskitto]

No one's sure who burned it down. There's some evidence that the Dutch Communist actually did burn it down, But there's reports that he was demented and was befriended by a few SA officers a couple of weeks before so even if he did he was probably inticed into doing it by the SA.

There's also a theory that it was Goering as his office where the fire started had a secret tunnel to the outside so he would have been able to get out.

[James]

Basics of the fire.

Happened on the night of febuary, 27th.

Inside the bruning building, Van Der Lubbe, a dutch communist, was found.

Hitler used this as evidence to "prove" that the communists were plotting against his government.

That night the prussian police arrested and imprissoned 4000 communist leaders.

Next day hitler persuaded hidenburg to sign an emergency decree, basically making germany a totalitarian state.

This gave the nazis complete power, and formed the rather fragile legal base for much of the Nazi's 12 year terror against their opponents in germany.

[James]

No one agrees on who was to blame for the fire though.

There is evidence to support the following three theories;

1) That Van Der Lubbe was acting alone, and started the fire. Not as part of a communist plot. This is what Van Der Lubbe claimed throughout his trial. Van der lubbe was found guilty and executed.

2) That van der Lubbe was acting as part of a communist plot. The nazis claimed this, after finding "evidence" in the homes of many communists relating to the fire etc.

3) That the Nazis started the fire themselves. As part of their terror tactics, and some how van der lubbe was used to blame for the fire, in the name of the communists. There was a direct secret passage way from goerings headquaters to the reichstag building, and his own SA chief claimed to have started the fire.

[James]

If you can do this, try and find Karl Ernst's testimony. He was the head SA guy, and claims that the number 3 is correct. He was killed on thre night of the long knives.

Also, intresting quote, according to General Halder, cheif of the german general staff, that Goering yelled (whilst drunk) "the only one who really knows about the reichstag fire is I, because i set it on fire" this was at a luncheon on the birthday of hitler, 1942.

I personally believe in number 3, but wouldn't be surprised if no. 1 was the truth.