Formal Introduction - Who am I?

[Stormin Norman]

I know some of you are genuinely curious about me. Who am I? Where did I come from? Since I never properly introduced myself in the lounge, let me address some of your questions. I tried to post this in the lounge, but apparently I have been banned from that as well. What are you afraid I might change some minds before they get through the door?

Introduction:

Hi,

Since I never introduced myself, I thought I would do it now. My name is Stormin Norman and I am a recovering communist. Yes, I had a real problem. My room was covered in Che, Mao, Stalin, and Rage against the Machine posters. I was tricked into thinking that a government could exist to meet all of my needs without infringing on my freedom. I had no religion and I withdrew from my family. Smoking pot and attending WTO riots was my favorite past time. I grew dreadlocks and began dousing myself with patchouli. Until, one day the cops threw me on the ground and began to beat the living shit out of me. I cried, "Is there no humanity?" Then a funny thing happened to me I began to forget all of the nonsense I had been brainwashed into believing and vowed to fight against communism until the day that I die. Since then I have attended West Point and become a 4 star General. That's right 4 stars! At the height of my game I was tasked with destroying the Iraqi Republican Guard, and did so with a minimal loss of American lives. I am a true American hero and should have been appointed To Colin Powell's position, which is head of the State department. If I held that position, I would say fuck diplomacy and start laying the law down to countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea and most definitely Cuba. Stormin Norman for president in 2006. I trust I can count on your vote.

[James]

So you got beaten up by some cops? Then you thought "i'll fight against communism"

Why the change may i ask?

[Stormin Norman]

Well, like most commies, I was cowardly in nature and feared ever having to answer for my belief system again. It was either that or they beat some sense into me. Either way that will never happen to me again as I have decided to become a loyalist.

[Anonymous]

What is West Point?

[Stormin Norman]

It is where the upper echelon of US military leaders get there education and training so they can continue the battle against the Evil Empire, the Axis of Evil, or generally anything evil, like communism.

[James]

I wouldn't say that i am "cowardly in nature". In fact i'd say the opposite is true. I think it takes alot of guts for someone to form an opinion, and then keep it. Espcially when it goes against the majority.

[Stormin Norman]

Touche.

[komsomol]

I have to give you credit Stormin Norman, you are very humorous.

[Stormin Norman]

Thank you,

I am not sure that James fully appreciated my humor. It seemed to be lost on him. I was starting to get worried.

[Anonymous]

Bit of a lost cause then this West Point isn't it?

[Stormin Norman]

What I said about West Point is true, exept for the sarcastic part. If you are to be a general for the US military I am pretty sure you must go through West Point. If that's what you were asking.

[Anonymous]

Im just saying it must be like teaching an old dog Nuclear Physics

(Edited by Funky Monk at 4:25 pm on July 25, 2002)

[Stormin Norman]

I kind of thought you meant something to that effect.

[Anonymous]

No offence

[Capitalist Imperial]

I don't understand funky-monks comments, funky monk, are you questioning the integrity or quality of West Point?

[Stormin Norman]

None taken.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 4:28 pm on July 25, 2002
I don't understand funky-monks comments, funky monk, are you questioning the integrity or quality of West Point?



Which would you prefer?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Perhaps you could submit a military academy that has a better track record or is more critically acclaimed?

[Stormin Norman]

CI,

Don't think that I was taking that position. I merely relented, because I was considering the source. It's true West Point has produced some of the greatest military minds for a couple of centuries. I did make imnce meat out of Iraq's armored divisions, didn't I.

[James]

You know CI, i thought the above post was mine. Its confusing having the same (slight difference)avatar, do you get a little confused sometimes as well?

[Anonymous]

Elaborate on track record

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 4:41 pm on July 25, 2002
CI,

Don't think that I was taking that position. I merely relented, because I was considering the source. It's true West Point has produced some of the greatest military minds for a couple of centuries. I did make imnce meat out of Iraq's armored divisions, didn't I.


Don't worry, SN, unlike many of the acclaimed scholars in here, I can tell when you are joking.

It was very funny.

SN took the Republican Guard with such power, but much of it was due to my sanitizing the area with frequent and intensive airstrikes, eradicating many iraqi assets, and paving the way for Norman's armored divisions to wreak havoc on what was supposed to be one of the "worlds greatest and largest standing armies"

Repubican Guard, LOL, what a joke.

[Anonymous]

Well, i know where i want to study now.

[Stormin Norman]

Yes Lt. Glauson was a genius. The intensive airstrike was his idea. Many questioned his approach, but he was very persistent in demanding it use. He single handedly revolutionized the entire function of the Airforce in battle. Redefined it to mean what it was intended for in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps you can teach someone how to indentify a target?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Funky Monk on 4:56 pm on July 25, 2002
Perhaps you can teach someone how to indentify a target?

Shut up!

[Stormin Norman]

I am sure you could get out there and teach them a thing or two about precision couldn't you. I would be willing to bet that many of those so called accidents were legitimate military targets. The Pentagon then produces a cover story of a general mishap to field criticism they get from liberals who ignore the fact that the enemy is hiding behind soft targets.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 4:37 pm on July 25, 2002
Perhaps you could submit a military academy that has a better track record or is more critically acclaimed?



Sandhurst

[Capitalist Imperial]

C'mon, funky Monk, the USA is the Hub of western and NATO military doctrine, Sandhurst can't compare.

BTW, the reason the US is scrutunized over friendly fire is that we are conduction most of the just action in the world. Every mistake we make is put under a microscope.

I would like to see the UK or china conduct a large scale military operation around settlements and urban centers, with allies in the field, and see just how precise they are, and how many frienly fire incidents they encounter.

I predict that their friendly fire stats would be much worse than the US

[Anonymous]

US conducts large scale millitary operations. Thats one of the big differences between the US and the Rest of the World, the rest of the world is much less inclined to try to use diplomacy doggedly. The question is, ' which way is right?'

[Capitalist Imperial]

The United States makes every concerted attempt to resolve all issues peacefully and diplomatically.

"Just action" is only executed as a last result and only remaining course of action.

[Red Revolution]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:19 pm on July 25, 2002
C'mon, funky Monk, the USA is the Hub of western and NATO military doctrine, Sandhurst can't compare.

BTW, the reason the US is scrutunized over friendly fire is that we are conduction most of the just action in the world. Every mistake we make is put under a microscope.

I would like to see the UK or china conduct a large scale military operation around settlements and urban centers, with allies in the field, and see just how precise they are, and how many frienly fire incidents they encounter.

I predict that their friendly fire stats would be much worse than the US



Oh Ci,
you are really showing your lack of knowledge now. Other countries in nato such as britain send in extremly highly trained troops in small numbers (the SBS and SAS are the most highly trained forces in the world) without high media scrutiny so nobody knows. The US even asked the Royal Marines and the French Armee Marinas to carry out the mountinous recon work as they wernt as good. lol

[Capitalist Imperial]

Yeah, right. SAS? They are OK, but navy SEAL's can do everything the SAS does, and more, in more extreme conditions, including undewater.

Are you actually suggesting that french forces are better than the US at mountain recon? That is laughable at best. The french military is good at absolutely nothing. The reason they and the royal marines are in the mountains is that they are searching for stragglers, while US forces conduct the more intensive operations.

It is you, sir, who demonstrate a profound lack of knowledge. The US military is the world's best, bar none. Even most anti- americans and leftists will have to concede to this.

[Red Revolution]

The only reason i mentioned the french forces id do that i don't come across as a british nationalist preaching british military propoganda, like you do with the US military.
The US may have the most weapons, tanks, planes and boats, but its nothing with out hard military dicipline of which other countries have a lot more of than the US

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Red Revolution on 9:55 pm on July 25, 2002
The only reason i mentioned the french forces id do that i don't come across as a british nationalist preaching british military propoganda, like you do with the US military.
The US may have the most weapons, tanks, planes and boats, but its nothing with out hard military dicipline of which other countries have a lot more of than the US


BS, Red Revolution, BS!!!

The US military has just as much discipline as any other military! How can you support such a dastardly claim?

[Red Revolution]

Hear you go CI

"The British Special Air Service is the best special force unit in the world as documented on this web site honoring the SAS. The SAS has set the standards for other special forces in many fields. History has proven that the SAS is swift, versatile and damned effective."

http://www.olive-drab.com/od_other_special_ops.php3

(at the bottom)

[James]

Why did they ask for the marines then? And the french?

answer; they specialised in those areas. The marians go through alot of hard training in mountainous areas etc. As do the french.

If america is so supreme, why did they beg for military assistance?

[Lardlad95]

This is all that needs to be said. Any Government that is in Favor of people being poor is evil

THey don't need to be violent, or manipulative (both things the US are)

But the US is in favor of people living like rats so it is evil

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from James on 10:21 pm on July 25, 2002
Why did they ask for the marines then? And the french?

answer; they specialised in those areas. The marians go through alot of hard training in mountainous areas etc. As do the french.

If america is so supreme, why did they beg for military assistance?

Hold on,james, we did not beg, we asked. And while the US appreciates the assistance, we would have gone it alone, and I am confident we still would have been successful.

Military assistance from other nations wasn't really even depoloyed until after the taliban was eradicted from power (except the UK providing some limited air-strike assistance)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Red Revolution on 10:17 pm on July 25, 2002
Hear you go CI

"The British Special Air Service is the best special force unit in the world as documented on this web site honoring the SAS. The SAS has set the standards for other special forces in many fields. History has proven that the SAS is swift, versatile and damned effective."

http://www.olive-drab.com/od_other_special_ops.php3

(at the bottom)


OK, I agree that they are swift, vesatile, and effective, but as you said yourself, that site is dedicated to honoring the SAS, so of course they will claim it is the best, but that is not an objective opinion.

I maintanin the seals can do everything the SAS can do, and more. They can operate in more hostile environments, in cold, wet environments, and conduct underwater operations.

[Red Revolution]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 10:26 pm on July 25, 2002


Hold on,james, we did not beg, we asked. And while the US appreciates the assistance, we would have gone it alone, and I am confident we still would have been successful.

Military assistance from other nations wasn't really even depoloyed until after the taliban was eradicted from power (except the UK providing some limited air-strike assistance)



CI, the British were the ones who secured Bagram Airstrip for other forces at the same time the US were beggining ground operations.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Yeah, but bagrham air strip was already sanitized by US air forces once the british arrived. They encountered no resistance. They were there to secure the area for humanitarian operations, and US forces actually guarded the perimiter anyway. It was not a hot zone.

[Red Revolution]

So you agree your previos post was wrong?

The British also encountered resistance.

[Capitalist Imperial]

No, how did that post contradict my previous post? By the time the royal marines were at bagrham, the taliban were ousted and on the run.

[Red Revolution]

CI
Sorry, I meant that you are contradicting the post when you quoted James and said that the US needed no military assistance and that it was not deployed until the Taliban were eradicated - you contradicted that by addmiting that Britain had been when they captured Bagram.
Also their were many Taliban and Al Quaeda divisions in the hills surrounding the airbase which the Marines dealt with without loosing one man.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 10:01 am on July 25, 2002
I grew dreadlocks and began dousing myself with patchouli.
I did a much better job of making fun of people with dredlocks in an old post in the Literature forum. I beat you to it.

Lindsay

[American Kid]

Lindsay........................................... ....................;)

[Stormin Norman]

Yeah, I did a better job of making fun of the fact that you asked for monetary advice on a communist forum. The reason these people are communist is because they lack money.

[guerrillaradio]

Apologies for going off-point, but why´s Norman a sub-commandante??

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Red Revolution on 1:44 am on July 26, 2002
CI
Sorry, I meant that you are contradicting the post when you quoted James and said that the US needed no military assistance and that it was not deployed until the Taliban were eradicated - you contradicted that by addmiting that Britain had been when they captured Bagram.
Also their were many Taliban and Al Quaeda divisions in the hills surrounding the airbase which the Marines dealt with without loosing one man.



OK, but what I said was that we asked for and appreciated the help, but we far from "begged" for it or "needed" it. And while I don't doubt the effectiveness and ability of the royal marines (I think the UK has the world's 2nd best military), I think "captured" when referring to the action at bagrham is a misnomer. The area was secured only after US air strikes eradicated enemy presence at the airstrip

[Red Revolution]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 3:19 pm on July 26, 2002
OK, but what I said was that we asked for and appreciated the help, but we far from "begged" for it or "needed" it. And while I don't doubt the effectiveness and ability of the royal marines (I think the UK has the world's 2nd best military), I think "captured" when referring to the action at bagrham is a misnomer. The area was secured only after US air strikes eradicated enemy presence at the airstrip

Ok, but bush had meetings with European powers to ask them to commit troops, he made at least 2 trips, I think that sounds quite close to begging don't you.

[Capitalist Imperial]

It just means he did a lot of footwork. The help we are receiving is a huge advantage as it offsets deployment and logistics costs, and it reinforces alliances, but we stated from the beginning, as we are currently stating about pending action in Iraq, that we will definately go it alone if we have too.

[Anonymous]

to secure peace is to be prepared for war! the american awy! when everything is well lets build a army challange every other world powers and rule the world!

[Stormin Norman]

Let me take this time to laugh at the thought of anarchy. Courtesy of AK. Hahahaha!

What kind of world do you think this place would be under your preferred method of government, anarchist? You would be dead inside of five minutes.

[Stormin Norman]

Since people are bringing out the golden oldies, like Commie Club: Knock Knock, I thought I would bring out one of my personal favorites. I posted Formal Introduction as a way to provide a comical introduction of myself without offering up anything of importance. As I reread it today, I couldn't help from laughing. If I can make myself laugh 6 months later, I must be a funny mo fo. Right?

[canikickit]

Your story is pretty shit really, isn't it? Except the crap about bdeing appointed in Colin Powell's position.

But yeah, you should have been.

You obviously had no conviction in your silly little fantasy world.

[Stormin Norman]

I don't know which is funnier; my original post, or my answer to James when he didn't seem to understand the humor I was expressing. Truly a marvelous thread. It was not to serious, although not that untrue. As I have found, the funniest things remain humorous because they are grounded in truth. I suppose that is why the Simpson's will be the longest running sit-com after it fulfills its latest two year extension contract.

[James]

hehe, you truely are very funny SM. I fell off my chair again in a fit of laughter. Please stop... seriously... PLEASE.

Also, may i ask. What is your purpose here?

[Stormin Norman]

What is your purpose here?

I have explained it time, and time again. You have been around long enough to know the answer to this question. Therefore, I will not repeat myself. Sorry, if you missed it the other 10 times I answered the question. If I had any respect for you I might consider telling you, but you had to sink to peacedicked's level when I beat you in debate. That is why I do not wish to further explain myself to the likes of you. Good day.

[James]

is that SM speck for "i have no purpose, thats why i spend several hours on here a week arguing with people who i 'know' to be below me"

Well, can anyone provide me with a link?

Or are you "fighting communists", wooo! you cyber warrior you!

[James]

also, does Albert Einstein apply to your theory...

"Socialist(s) 1: The moral equivalent of a bum on the street asking for a handout 2: A troglodyte 3: A Luddite 3: Of or having to do with the phylum Mollusca, a category of invertebrates 4: A macrofossil 5: Someone who wishes to ride the gravy train 6: A greaser, a dirtbag, or pile of feces 7: Plankton, smut, fungus, scum, or stain 8: A yellow-belly otherwise known as commie pinko 9: the waste effluent of society 10: A nonproducer 11: Someone with extremely low intelligence and or motivation 12: a looter, thief, or lynch mob 13: someone who deserves to be 86'd from civilization 14: My worst enemy -From Stormin Norman's Wonderful Worldview; 1st Edition "

[Stormin Norman]

There is a good reason why the U.S. government kept an extensive file on Einstien, and sought to remove him from the country. It was a good decision not to allow Einstien to work on the Manahattan Project, instead giving it to Oppenhiemer. The man was a subversive foreigner who represented the great danger American faced during that time period.

The man was an excellent scientist. However, that does not make him a qualified commentator in the political science arena. The sooner you morons understand this the better. He could talk quatum physics with the best of them. However, in regards to political thinking, he came across just as ignorant as most other leftists.

Did you know the Heisenberg studied at the Plank Institute, and is one of the fathers of quantum physics. Truly a brilliant man. However, he was a loyal Nazi and headed up their project to develop a nuclear bomb. By your logic, which says that Einstien was a briliiant scientist, therefore, he must be right when he extolls the virtues of communism, we must also conclude that Heisenberg was right when he preached about the evil of Jews and the greatness of the Aryan Nation.

Now do you see how silly you sound when you jump to the conclusion, which says that Einstein was the father of General and Special Relativity (which I need not remind you that you lack understanding of), therefore his assertions about socialism must be correct. You are dumber than I previously thought.

[James]

aaaaaah, i call this one or SM's egotistic moments....

You avoided the question. It needed a "yes" or a "no", seeing as you can group socialists in such a way.

NO, SM, it is YOU who is dumber than you thought. Sorry.

(Edited by James at 11:29 pm on Jan. 26, 2003)

[Stormin Norman]

I will give you the answer, but somehow I think you won't like it.

Like this thread, Formal Introduction, my signature was meant to be comic relief more than anything. However, in your case, I would definitely lump you into the category which I described. Sadly enough, there are so many of you here that fall under my description that it ceases to be funny anymore.

[Goldfinger]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 4:01 pm on July 25, 2002
My room was covered in Che, Mao, Stalin, and Rage against the Machine posters. I was tricked into thinking that a government could exist to meet all of my needs without infringing on my freedom.
Stormin Norman, you are an idiot.

You were even more ignorant as a "communist." You never knew what it was.

[Stormin Norman]

Ever heard of parody? You are also dumber than I thought.

[James]

SM, i know it was a joke. The thing is you see its not that funny. Thus why i took the piss with the "i'm falling off my chair". You keep doing what you accuse others of doing. Silly moron...

[Goldfinger]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 12:37 am on Jan. 27, 2003
Ever heard of parody? You are also dumber than I thought.


You are an idiot
that was a parody.

[Stormin Norman]

i call this one or SM's egotistic moments....

Why, because defeat you with the truth?

[canikickit]

The man was a subversive foreigner who represented the great danger American faced during that time period.

Kill the foreigners! You'd make a great Nazi, Norm.

I don't understand why you always feel the need to include "foreign" in these type of statements. It's not bad enough that he was a subversive, he was a fucking foreigner as well. Jesus! He was a Jew as well! To the batcave, Norm!

But then a pile of feces is your worst enemy. How does that feel? Why are you so obviously intimidated by something you consider so pathetic? I know your signature is supposed to be funny, but I really feel it reveals deep rooted secrets about your inner psyche.


How would you define "bum on the street" in that context Norm? Serious thing.

[Stormin Norman]

Kill the foreigners! You'd make a great Nazi, Norm.

I never said to kill the foreigners. I wouldn't expect someone so ignorant of history to understand the comparison I have been making regarding todays threat level and the First and Second Red Scare.

The threat of foreign enemies has been a recurring theme throughout the history of the United States. From the Alien and Sedition Acts, after the signing of the Constitution, to the Exclusion Act in the early part of the nineteen hundreds there has been a perceived threat brought about by foriegn enemies.

In a time when al Qaeda proclaims its goal to be the destruction of the modern Jewish state and the United States, this parallel is evident to even the most uneducated observer. Why you do not understand it, I will never know.

During the second World War the Nazis sent a group of sabotoures to the United States. These men were caught, thus setting the precedent of charging terrorists and sabotoures as enemy combatants, sited very recently by the Justice Department in defense of camp X-ray. In fact, it was a Japanese spy who posed as a tourist and provided intelligence to Japan prior to the launching of the Pearl Harbor attack. All of the 9-11 hijackers were from Arab Nations, mostly Saudi Arabia. Concurrent with the Bolshevik revolution, communist subversives were installing themselves in the United States in hopes of setting up a organization for the purpose of destroying the United States. During the Cold War the Soviet Union used the Canadian border to install KGB spies in the United States.

In regards to your specific criticism of my stance on Einstein's exclusion from the Manahattan Project I feel the Wen Ho Lee case is the appropiate analogy. Wen Ho Lee was a Chinese national that committed espionage for a foriegn government. The information that was lost from the missing hard drives at Los Alamos has been filtering through our enemies. Since Chinese nuclear secrets are being filtered down to both Pakistan and North Korea, it can be said that we are now dealing with the problem. Currently, we know that North Korea is willing to sell its secrets to the highest bidder. Therefore, foreign espionage will continue to present a problem for us in the future even if we stop all future leaks. By barring Einstein access to the sensitive infomation that could have been sold to the Soviet governement, we postponed the Cold War until a U.S. citizen could do the kind of damage we feared.

These are all clear examples of the threat that foreign nationals present to the United States. Do I suggest killing them? No, I don't. However, I do recommend that our national security policy err on the side of common sense and not allow sensitive infomation to fall into the hands of potential enemies of the United States. Not only does this include foreign nationals, it also includes U.S. citizens that may find themselves in a position where they can be blackmailed. Scott Ritter is an excellent example of this. For months people were questioning the motives behind his unAmerican speech, only to find out that he had been arrrested twice for sexual encounters with minors. Was he blackmailed? I don't know, but it does offer a likely explanation for his behavior.

Your comparing me to a Nazi for my concern over United States national security is absurd. Once again, you demonstrate your inability to understand the concepts that I discuss. Your lack of fear of a foreign threat is both niave and frightening. I only hope those in the Pentagon understand my concerns better than you do. Somehow I think I have less to worry about from the War Room, than I do from those who agree with your opinions. If I had to weigh the threat of subversives to the threat of the growing military industrial complex, I would place my bets on the subversives anyday.

[canikickit]

Once again, you demonstrate your inability to understand the concepts that I discuss.

You demonstrated your abilty to misinterprete humour. Well done.
I'm glad you took all that seriously. You often criticise people for taking your comments to seriously. Of course you are now open to criticise me for taking your response to my remarks to seriously. Such is life.


In regards to your specific criticism of my stance on Einstein's exclusion from the Manahattan Project

When was this?


Your lack of fear of a foreign threat is both niave and frightening.

I'm not from the US, and I do have fears which are coming from foreign waters.

I don't think any of what you said is here or there. I spoke to you elsewhere about how you said the threat was from "leftist" subversives, I said "what about threats from the right"?

I don't think it was neccessary to identify Einstein as being foreign, that's all.


"But then a pile of feces is your worst enemy. How does that feel? Why are you so obviously intimidated by something you consider so pathetic? I know your signature is supposed to be funny, but I really feel it reveals deep rooted secrets about your inner psyche.


How would you define "bum on the street" in that context Norm? Serious thing. "

[Stormin Norman]

Sorry, but it wasn't the first time you have called me a Nazi. I don't find that comparison humorous at all. In fact, it seems like an attempt to discredit me for views that may still remain unpopular. I know the media tells everyone that illegal aliens are all hard working people who want to take jobs Americans won't do, but I think the facts disagree with that assertion. Even if you were joking, I think it needed to be said, and I am glad I have addressed it here. Much like the domestic threat, the foreign threat is real.

[canikickit]

Sorry, but it wasn't the first time you have called me a Nazi.

No need to apologise. Are you sure? Would you care to cite the instances, I'm not sure if that is true. Maybe it is. If you do not care to cite the instances, so be it. Regardless, I don't think you are a Nazi. I don't think you would be so open and gung ho about your attitudes. I do feel you have certain racist/prejudiced tendencies, probably brought on by a conviction that you are right, and exposure to these attitude in your perverted society.


discredit me for views that may still remain unpopular.

"may" - good to see you still have hope. You bleeding heart idealist , you.

Indeed, you may not find it amusing, but I do. I'm sure a lot of people do not find your racist jokes about the French being inferior humourous, but they've got to live with it (for now, at least).

Allah u akbar.

[Stormin Norman]

I did say that most the French were a bunch of cowards. The French are not a race they are a culture. In addition to calling them cowards, I cited sound reasoning for doing so. The following is my end of the discussion:

"You are right de Gaulle and his band did fight galantly, but the majority of French people took a different postition. As you know, France was divided into two parts after the collapse of the third republic, spawned by German occupation. In the north, Nazis ruled directly. In the South the Vichy puppet regime offered up supplies and labor for the German war machine. The Vichy government is the only Western European country, which was not directly occupied, that handed Jews over to the Nazis. Many Jews were fleeing Germany and Poland to France in hopes of asylum. Meanwhile, Vichy set up programs of imprisonment until Jews could be sent to Nazi concentration camps.

Sorry, but I fail to see the moral equivalence of U.S. reluctance to enter the war and France's grotesque relationship with the Nazis.

The Resistance movement deserves respect for their opposition to an immoral government. However, trying to characterize that small portion of the French as the majority position is dishonest. In fact, this was a very small segment that broke from the Vichy government. The bravery of the de Gaulle's movement remains the reason why France was awarded a position on the Security Counsel, and is the reason why I said most of the French are cowards, not all."

As you can see the reason for my calling them cowards was due to their compliance with the Nazi persecution of the Jews. If telling the truth constitutes racism, then God help us all. I would argue that it is the French who are a bunch of rascists. I can site more examples if you would like.

[canikickit]

I did say that most the French were a bunch of cowards. The French are not a race they are a culture.

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:

a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by community of interests, habits, or characteristics <the English race>

Bullshitting about semantics is not particularly interesting to me, Norm. Suffice to say, you will stoop to any level for arguments sake.

I guess we just disagree that slandering 58,000,000 people could be easily interpreted as racism.

As too your excuse...well it's an excuse.

You are racist. It is not true that the majority of French people can be called cowards. I think that is completely ridiculous. Your complete lack of compassion and understanding is ridiculous. To judge a whole swipe of humanity on the records of history is quite insane. How does it feel to be stark, raving mad?

Would you care to cite the instances, I'm not sure if that is true. Maybe it is. If you do not care to cite the instances, so be it.

Nothing, eh? Too bad.

In regards to your specific criticism of my stance on Einstein's exclusion from the Manahattan Project
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When was this?


Seriously, when was this?


Allah u akbar.

Come on...you didn't even crack a smile? Be honest, Norm.

[antieverything]

Einstien wasn't excluded because he was a foreigner...he was excluded because he was an outspoken Socialist. The FBI wanted him dead.

[truthaddict11]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 10:01 am on July 25, 2002
I know some of you are genuinely curious about me. Who am I? Where did I come from? Since I never properly introduced myself in the lounge, let me address some of your questions. I tried to post this in the lounge, but apparently I have been banned from that as well. What are you afraid I might change some minds before they get through the door?

Introduction:

Hi,

Since I never introduced myself, I thought I would do it now. My name is Stormin Norman and I am a recovering communist. Yes, I had a real problem. My room was covered in Che, Mao, Stalin, and Rage against the Machine posters. I was tricked into thinking that a government could exist to meet all of my needs without infringing on my freedom. I had no religion and I withdrew from my family. Smoking pot and attending WTO riots was my favorite past time. I grew dreadlocks and began dousing myself with patchouli. Until, one day the cops threw me on the ground and began to beat the living shit out of me. I cried, "Is there no humanity?" Then a funny thing happened to me I began to forget all of the nonsense I had been brainwashed into believing and vowed to fight against communism until the day that I die. Since then I have attended West Point and become a 4 star General. That's right 4 stars! At the height of my game I was tasked with destroying the Iraqi Republican Guard, and did so with a minimal loss of American lives. I am a true American hero and should have been appointed To Colin Powell's position, which is head of the State department. If I held that position, I would say fuck diplomacy and start laying the law down to countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea and most definitely Cuba. Stormin Norman for president in 2006. I trust I can count on your vote.

LOL nice joke Stormin you trying to discredit us leftists as closet right wingers who wikll one day "find the truth" yea right. if i was beaten by cops at a protest i sure as hell wouldnt turn the around the other way

[mentalbunny]

Stormin Norman,

Ok, I'm joining this thread a bit late but never mind. I'd like to get back to your first post. So you were a communist, you say. Do you think that all the leftists on this site are like what you were? If you do, you are miskaten. Many of us have mroe deep-seated beliefs (for lack of a better word). We understand that capitalism must play its part for now but that does not mean it will last for ever. My goal is to make life better for as many people as possible and to faciliate socialism in the future. Obviously you were amoung the over-zealous leftist who believe that communism will come in our lifetime. Anyone yo thinks it through will realise that socialism needs a strong base that will take several generations to construct, and only then will we be ready and able to live in a socialist society.

However I did find your story vaguely amusing, but not really worth the time as far as humour is concerned.

[Goldfinger]

...and speaking of cake, I have cake.

[sabre]

norman - so basically your saying you sold out your beliefs and values in fear of getting beaten up again?

[Eastside Revolt]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 3:16 pm on July 25, 2002
Well, like most commies, I was cowardly in nature and feared ever having to answer for my belief system again. It was either that or they beat some sense into me. Either way that will never happen to me again as I have decided to become a loyalist.


So, if you go to jail and get raped by a cellmate, your answer will be to start sucking his dick aswell, instead of murdering him.

[mentalbunny]

redcananda, great analogy!!

[Smoking Frog II]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 8:17 am on Jan. 29, 2003
redcananda, great analogy!!

yeah! nice one.

[Stormin Norman]

Let me clear things up for you morons who are having a hard time diciphering fact from fiction. My real name is not Stormin Norman. I never was , and never will be a communist. I would never compromise my ethics "for fear of getting beat up". Most importantly, I never had dreadlocks.

This was merely a story designed to make fun of the cowardly left wingers who parade around during WTO organizations and vandalize McDonalds. None of it was true except for the fact that I like the general over Powell. I am more of a hawk than a dove.

Unbelievable! It's simply unbelievable how stupid some of you left wingers really are! Oh my god! Fucking yarmos do exist!

[sabre]

i fail to see the point that you have proven through this bullshit.... our gullibility because we believed you OVER THE INTERNET without knowing you whatsoever and placed our trust in you to not be making something up for no particular reason? i dont see how that makes us look bad? could you please explain the point that you tried, and failed, to make during this whole charade?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from sabre on 4:39 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
i fail to see the point that you have proven through this bullshit.... our gullibility because we believed you OVER THE INTERNET without knowing you whatsoever and placed our trust in you to not be making something up for no particular reason? i dont see how that makes us look bad? could you please explain the point that you tried, and failed, to make during this whole charade?

Maybe the notion that he was a dreadlocked hippy protesting the WTO and displaying "Rage Against the Machine" posters that later became a "four star general" would have been a clue.

Not only is the content obviously faceteous, but the chronology is a bit off, don't you think? I mean, Rage Against the Machine had posters out, maybe 7-10 years ago tops?

And this guy went from a pot smoking hippie to a four star general in that time?

It takes a militery officer at least 40 years to become a four star general, and they are extremely rare in the 1st place. There may be 2 or 3 in the whole US military.

Honestly, anyone who took SN seriously in this thread is honestly an idiot, and I make no apologies for saying this, as it is evidenced by you actually entertaining the notion that what he said made sense.

Good one, SN, way to expose these leftist pundits for their true cognitive capacity

[sabre]

okaaaayyyy..... what point was this trying to make again? that we dont know when RATM posters were availible? im SO DAMN EMBARRASED that i dont jeez i should go kill myself out of embarrasement

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from sabre on 6:16 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
okaaaayyyy..... what point was this trying to make again? that we dont know when RATM posters were availible? im SO DAMN EMBARRASED that i dont jeez i should go kill myself out of embarrasement

you shouldn't really be embarassed, but just think about what I said, it makes sense!

[mentalbunny]

CI, it makes sense to someone who is in love with a fundamentally flawed and immoral system.

Obviously most of us did not examine SN's post to the minutest detail and just caught the general gist of it. Many teenage "communists" convert when they've finished rebelling, and it is sad that they never really see what they are doing or the beauty of true communism, so I assumed SN was one of those. I could well imagine this foolish capitalist was once a foolish communist, after all converts are always the most zealous.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 6:59 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
CI, it makes sense to someone who is in love with a fundamentally flawed and immoral system.

Obviously most of us did not examine SN's post to the minutest detail and just caught the general gist of it. Many teenage "communists" convert when they've finished rebelling, and it is sad that they never really see what they are doing or the beauty of true communism, so I assumed SN was one of those. I could well imagine this foolish capitalist was once a foolish communist, after all converts are always the most zealous.

You make a good point. It just seems that the faceteousness and chronological infeasability of his post jumped out at me.

[mentalbunny]

Am I reading this right? CI, you're actually not critisising for once? You are actually saying I made a good point? Where's the old CI that only used to insult leftists and thought we were all brainless?!!! You must be an imposter!

Either that, or CI has discovered sarcasm.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 8:15 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
Am I reading this right? CI, you're actually not critisising for once? You are actually saying I made a good point? Where's the old CI that only used to insult leftists and thought we were all brainless?!!! You must be an imposter!

Either that, or CI has discovered sarcasm.

Mentalbunny, 1st impressions are everything, so your 1st impression of me must have been of me as mostly inflammatory. This is an innacurate assessment.

I usually only flame when flamed 1st. My agression is mostly reactionary (like America's). If you will look back in this forum, you will see most of my posts are civil, relevant, and of substance.

It is often-times leftists who hurl inaccurate and insuling comments that are purely ad-hominem and speculative conjecture, let alone way off base.

Usually they are that I am "Ignorant", "brainwashed", or a "victimof propoganda", none of which are remotely true. I merely disagree with their point of view.

I treat others exactly as they treat me. Granted, sometimes I'm healthily provacative when it come to issue and ideas, but seldom do I launch unwarranted personal attacks.

[sabre]

i dont see why this is a big deal . SN came on and said something stupid - we reacted without giving deep thought to the issue of the chronology of his life, the date and time that RATM posters were availible, and the amount of time it takes to graduate military school thingy or whatever and somehow it reflects badly upon us???????? im done talking about this. Stormin Norman yo have officially wasted around 5 minutes of my life i hope youre happy

[mentalbunny]

CI as far as I am concernced you started it (I know it sounds childish), but back in August I was in France and I was informed that you had mean making derogatory remarks about me and I have no idea how any of my posts could have prompted this. If you found the thread then I would understand.

Also, when we call you a "vitcim of propaganda" etc, then you can't really disagree when in one post you were talking about the French and that given finve minutes you would beat them into a pulp.

I may not be entirely correct but that is how I understand the situation. You have to admit that you do tend to spout the bullshit that you are spoon-fed by the US press, even if occasionally you try to dress it up with politeness (but this is rare). And have you ever heard of not stooping to the enemy's level, if a leftist flames you then they are not worth your time, unless they are not throwing brainless insults and it has some basis in fact, which from where I'ms tanding it looks like they often do.

You may try to change your image but you aren't going to sweet-talk me. A capi is a capi, and a pro-US one is even worse (this does not mean that I think all capitalists and right-wingers are evil, I have plently of friends who are right wing, I just know that their position alters there perspective).

[Stormin Norman]

[quote]i dont see why this is a big deal . SN came on and said something stupid - we reacted without giving deep thought to the issue of the chronology of his life, the date and time that RATM posters were availible, and the amount of time it takes to graduate military school thingy or whatever and somehow it reflects badly upon us???????? im done talking about this. Stormin Norman yo have officially wasted around 5 minutes of my life i hope youre happy[/url]

Translation - You are to stupid to distinguish reality from a complete and utter joke. Judging by your intelligence, you have wasted more than five minutes of your life. I would be willing to wager that you have wasted somewhere in the ballpark of 100% of it.