The History Forum - Capitalist perspective

[Capitalist Imperial]

I really think that for an area of discussion as subject to interpretation as history itself, capitalists and rightists should be allowed access.

However, in typical communist fashion, only state controlled (moderator controlled) historical information with a leftist-propoganda spin will be submitted and discussed.

On with the brainwashing, comrades!!!

[Vladimir]

Well again it is a leftest board, but i have no problem with the cappies being allowed to post, as long as its not capitalist anti left bullshit

IrishGuevara

[peaccenicked]

''History is bunk'' Henry Ford


(Edited by peaccenicked at 2:57 am on July 25, 2002)

[kidicarus20]

I dont think capitalists should be allowed to post there or even here. but the guy that owns this site has made it clear that he will allow capitalist's bullshit in this section (socialism vs capitalism) but will not allow it any where else.

I've been banned from all capitalist websites, anti-state, ifeminism, etc.... Simpley for posting the TURTH about capitalism's terrorism. Capitalists are pretty stupid one even threatened to report me to the FBI and i have the transcript of the conversation. Capitalists block peoples opinion by controlling the market then destroying leftist, they are terrorist and i wouldn't piss on a capitalist if he was on fire.

Anyway these capitalist morons really dont contribute much to the discussion, they divert attention from problems and then everybody falls for it and replies. Capitalists do NOT have a right to have their opinion taken serious, as they are goofy nerds that make no sense. read a book called 8 ways to critical thinking, it states that stupids dont have a right to have their opinion taken seriously. Capitalists dont think about history they copy and paste from websites, they are fools. They can debate history here if they want, all history shows is that capitalism has killed 300 million people, 250 million more than capitalism.

[Brian]

Head up your ass?

[Hattori Hanzo]

"I really think that for an area of discussion as subject to interpretation as history itself, capitalists and rightists should be allowed access."

oh, yes i agree

"However, in typical communist fashion, only state controlled (moderator controlled) historical information with a leftist-propoganda spin will be submitted and discussed."

not any more, you certainly don't want to discuss twisted lestist takes on the world

"On with the brainwashing, comrades!!!"

On with the war mongering, the rise of the elite, the facsism, the opression, the sweat shops, the exploiting...

[PunkRawker677]

You want to go in the history section.. for what? So you can turn everything into a debate?

This is a leftist site.. If you don't like how we "interpert" history, then fuck off and post somewhere else.. theres other people you can bother..

[abstractmentality]

Quote: from PunkRawker677 on 7:14 pm on July 24, 2002
You want to go in the history section.. for what? So you can turn everything into a debate?



PunkRawker677 has something here. i think that it should be open to the "right," but the only thing with that is it will almost all turn into a debate between capitalism and socialism.

[RedCeltic]

Bull shit,

You wanna talk your right wing crap start your own damn message board.

[Stormin Norman]

I agree with CI, but this should be done on a case by case basis. If somebody is being disruptive they should be banned. As I have said before, I am quite capable of having discussion without debate. Why don't you give it a try with the the two most loyal 'right wingers' on this site. Please allow myself and CI into the history section. Why not politics as well? We promise to act accordingly, and only debate the merits of communism in this forum.

[Stormin Norman]

Brian,

Your avatar is bad ass. Where did you get it?

[James]

History is a difficult problem at the best of times (i should know, its my speciality! :)).

As it is no one will agree completely, i don't mind the likes of CI and SN coming in, and adding to the posts. But what i don't want is simple blind Sco v Cap type debates in there. So i think SN had a point that it should be done, case by case, maybe a trial period or something. If you do go in there though, please show respect for others opinions - and don't simply tell someone that they are "wrong".

James

[Stormin Norman]

I concur. I have read some of the post in there and would have to show some restaint when making a response, but I think that I can manage, if given the chance.

[James]

You think? Thats not good enough, you need to KNOW that you won't be a b*tch etc.

[Stormin Norman]

I know that I won't be a *****. I will not attack other people. I will only offer my unique persective to the question (without being political). Much like I was doing in politics, I will probably reply once and go away. I wish Malte would let me back into politics, as well. Have you read the Irradiated Beef post? What do you think was I being cappie scum? I don't think so. I think people biased their opinions of me based upon my posts in this forum and didn't what to hear me out. I promise to let bigones be bigones when making posts in history and politics, assumming Malte finds it in his nature to give me a chance. Big if. I bet many have complained, and asked him for a complete ban on me.

[RedCeltic]

The porous of the history forum is to provide a forum where people can talk about history in a leftist perspective....

The porous of the Politics section is to talk about left wing politics.

The entire porous of this fuckin' board is to provide a community where people will feel comfortable talking about left wing political beliefs.

Letting you two post there kind of defeats the porous.

[Stormin Norman]

What is porous?

[PunkRawker677]

I agree with RedCeltic. As i said before - This is a board for leftists. If you want to discuss this in YOUR perspective go somewhere else, or better yet, use Red's idea and create your own message board.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I will concede to SN's idea, just allow us in on a trial basis, malte, we will not turn it into a soc vs capforum.

Ijust want to discuss the leftist version of history so I can expand my worldview.

I will not use it as a debate platform. I will use it merely for the free exchange of ideas without confrontation.

[Lardlad95]

Ci I wish I could believe you however when it gets down to it you are gonna piss someone off or they are gonna piss you off and once again we'll be in the commie club talking about this shit and why you guys were ever allowed in.


And of everyone I think you would be able to restrain your self the most however what happens when some newbie cappie goes in there and didn't read this disscussion and acts like an ass?

[Stormin Norman]

We have been here for months. How about let cappies prove their worth in debate style format first (cap vs. soc.), then allow them into Politics and History if they promise to behave. One transgression, and they are out, according to Malte's infinite wisdom and total disgression. Malte will field any complaints take a look at the post and decide whether it is warranted, or if people are simply whining. After all, I have seen some of you guys disagree without completely shutting down the forum with insults. Surely, CI and SN are capable of the kind of maturity. Sounds fair to me. Are you guys game?

[Lardlad95]

yes you and CI can however when new Cappies go in there they will probably be less mature than you two

[Stormin Norman]

I am not suggesting that you open it up to all the capitalists. Simply, let us in after we have been here awhile and ban us when we become misbehavors. Do it on a case by case basis. Don't simply ban anyone who you think is a cappie. I am a centrist. How many times must I repeat that point?

[Lardlad95]

yeah I suppose that could work

[American Kid]

The way I see it, me, and SN and CI (my closest compatriots), and Ernie Everhard, and Shyne too (sort of) and that Batista guy, and others too, we're all the shameful guests here (the cappies). The pieces of shit. The retarded Hellen Keller-cousins that are allowed to eat at the table, though everyone's disgusted by us and wishes we weren't there. This is the leftist mansion (Che-lives.com community), where all the leftys play, and where we're allowed to play too, but only in the doghouse (socialism vs. Capitalism). Sometimes the leftys decide they want to slum it a little, and they get down on their hands and knees and play with us in the shit and the mud (socialism vs. capitalism). They roll around and fight and wrestle and play games with us. They get all dirty too.

But when we're done horsing around, they get up and are allowed to go back in the mansion and go upstairs and take a shower (History, Literature, ect....) and then go back to the ballroom and schmooze with their comrades (commie club), whom are all dancing in unison........................ to the same.........exact.........beat......all night .....with clockwork...........precision.........indestinguis hable..........from each other.........everyone ........uniform........everyone ..........identical............................... ............................. ............ ......... .. .. .. . . ........ ......
.........Until the whistle blows, and then everyone has to go back to thier assigned, non-descript bunk. And then it's revely at 6:30. Everyone jumps up, throws on their black pajamas, and hits the fields (everyone, regardless) for another thirteen hour day. Everyone does their part. Everyone is equal. There is no competition, and thank God, no "boursgoisie" to bum everyone out and bring them down.......

Meanwhile, we (the despised cappies) are confined to the shit and the mud. However, we get to party too, because we have our own little shitty magnavox boom- box. And the stations it picks up, aren't regulated by the state. And we get to pick and CHOOSE whatever we want to listen to. And we can dance anyway we wanna dance. And we get to dance all night.

If we choose..........



(Edited by American Kid at 9:09 pm on July 25, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Yes! Just like AK said, word is bond, brother!!!

We are the oppressed, cut our chains of silence,and allow us passage into the realm of mutually beneficial discussion!

Pehaps we can institute a 2-star minimum rule for all cappies who wish to go into the history forum.

[James]

CI; How about no.

This is a leftist board. Emphises on the L-E-F-T. Come on, i don't mind you being here at all, in fact i personally welcome you guys, but the right wing sites that i'm a member of (not calling you right winged CI), they have closed forums. In fact, they only let me post in one forum - all other areas i'm deleted from. I don't moan, because its a right winged board. I'm not right winged, so the board wasn't made for me and the what not, but for them. I havn't paid any money to join or anything, if anything they have been kind in letting me stay!

[Lardlad95]

that state regulated shit isn't funny.

Stop stereotyping me as a communist and I'll gladly recomend you guys to go to other sections provided you guys don't instegate arguements

[American Kid]

Lardlad I wasn't going after you specifically, brah.

I've got no beef with you. I'm a Simpson's fan also. Seriously.........be cool :)

But to go back to my post though, I wasn't really campaigning for entrance into any of the forums I'm not allowed to-and don't want to go to anyway. I was just giving my view on the whole thing.

-Kid

[peaccenicked]

Quote: from American Kid on 9:03 pm on July 25, 2002
Meanwhile, we (the despised cappies) are confined to the shit and the mud.
(Edited by American Kid at 9:09 pm on July 25, 2002)

You make the bed you lie in.

[American Kid]

I'd much rather lie in mud and shit, than have my individuality stripped of me.

-AK

[vox]

Christ on the Cross!

You filthy right-wing scum don't know how good you have it.

In case you didn't get the message, let me spell it out for you:

YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE. WE DON'T LIKE YOU.

Is that clear enough, dolts?

vox

[Capitalist Fighter]

Quote: from peaccenicked on 1:00 am on July 26, 2002

Quote: from American Kid on 9:03 pm on July 25, 2002
Meanwhile, we (the despised cappies) are confined to the shit and the mud.
(Edited by American Kid at 9:09 pm on July 25, 2002)

You make the bed you lie in.


LOL LOL LOL
CLASSIC, PEACE, ABSOLUTLEY CLASSIC :)

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Letting capitalists into the Commie Club would defeat the purpose of having it. Note the 100% right-winger free.

We might as well eliminate it rather than let you in other wise its kinda symbol of hypocrisy. ;)

I have mixed feeling about letting capitalists into the history forum. I letting them in would give them the opportunity to express the the capitalist views on history and to me that would be quite interesting but some of you are just looking to argue.

(Edited by Mac OS Revolutionary at 1:51 pm on July 27, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

We should have a 2 star minimum rule in the history forum for cappies, and no arguing, just submission of perspectives, without direct rebutals or judgements of other's viewpoints

Ton be judged, of course, by malte

[vox]

"...without direct rebutals..."

Of course the right-winger doesn't want rebuttal. He wants right-wing bullshit to stand, unchallenged. What bollocks!

Typical, however, of right-wing idiocy.

vox

[Stormin Norman]

"Of course the right-winger doesn't want rebuttal. He wants right-wing bullshit to stand, unchallenged. What bollocks!"

-That's why we come to Che-lives, to hear all of the right wing bullshit that is so prevalent on this site.

-That kind of cowardess be true of you, since you hide in the politics section, free of opposition.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 6:09 am on July 28, 2002
"Of course the right-winger doesn't want rebuttal. He wants right-wing bullshit to stand, unchallenged. What bollocks!"

-That's why we come to Che-lives, to hear all of the right wing bullshit that is so prevalent on this site.

-That kind of cowardess be true of you, since you hide in the politics section, free of opposition.



see this exactley why we need the Cappies in the history forum, so we can close this damn thread. Stop all the bickereing and let the people in. Damn

I mean this thread is pointless. Malte, please resolve this soon. Now Stormin and someone else are gonna get all pissed at each other and shit.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from vox on 5:42 pm on July 27, 2002
"...without direct rebutals..."

Of course the right-winger doesn't want rebuttal. He wants right-wing bullshit to stand, unchallenged. What bollocks!

Typical, however, of right-wing idiocy.

vox


Thats the pot calling the kettle black, dude.

[Lardlad95]

does that reffer to everyone

[Capitalist Imperial]

no, just vox

vox loves cocks

[Lardlad95]

thats hilarious plus it rhymed...it aint true is it

[timbaly]

i agree, i think capatilists should be allowed in history
or maybe make a new forum that tolerates them disscussing history and all it's propaganda.
but i think there should be no arguing or cappies in the current history forum
Making another one that permitts cappies and arguing should be created

[Stormin Norman]

It would be an excellent way for us to get this going in Cap. vs. Soc. If someone says something that we take issue with, we can slap them in the face with a glove and challenge them to a duel. That is if they care to come back into soc. vs. cap. Instead of attacking them in those forums we can simply say, "would you care to discuss this in cap. vs. soc.?" This would elliminate the threat of us ruining your precious forums, and allow for more interesting debates in here. Your ratings would go through the roof. Everyone from all over the world would visit che-lives to witness the excellent debates that you would become famous for.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 2:44 am on July 29, 2002
It would be an excellent way for us to get this going in Cap. vs. Soc. If someone says something that we take issue with, we can slap them in the face with a glove and challenge them to a duel. That is if they care to come back into soc. vs. cap. Instead of attacking them in those forums we can simply say, "would you care to discuss this in cap. vs. soc.?" This would elliminate the threat of us ruining your precious forums, and allow for more interesting debates in here. Your ratings would go through the roof. Everyone from all over the world would visit che-lives to witness the excellent debates that you would become famous for.

wouldn't that eat up thread space

[Brian]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 9:08 am on July 25, 2002
Brian,

Your avatar is bad ass. Where did you get it?
Google Image search!

[vox]

"Thats the pot calling the kettle black, dude."

CI,

There are so many threads that I've posted to you in where you simply ran away and started others it's not even funny, just pathetic.

Need examples?

vox

[Capitalist Imperial]

Yes

[vox]

Okay.

Here's one where my greater knowledge of history shut your mouth right quick:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=643&start=20 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=643&start=20)

And here's one where you ask for clarification, I give it, and you run away again:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=542&start=30 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=542&start=30)

And here's another one, where you simply concede that I'm right:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=665&start=20 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=665&start=20)

And here's one where I beat you like a dog in the street:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=22&topic=655 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=655)

Okay, now that's done.

You're free to answer now, of course.

However, since you said that this was the pot calling the kettle black, may I have some examples from you? After all, you're the one who made the claim.

Thanks.

vox

(Edited by vox at 1:14 am on Aug. 1, 2002)



(Edited by vox at 1:18 am on Aug. 1, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

OK, vox, fair enough.

I usually argue on a number of fronts on ths board simultaneously, and sometimes I admittedly lose track of where I am. Let me refresh myself on these links and I will provide responses to them.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from vox on 6:12 am on Aug. 1, 2002
Okay.

Here's one where my greater knowledge of history shut your mouth right quick:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=643&start=20 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=643&start=20)

And here's one where you ask for clarification, I give it, and you run away again:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=542&start=30 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=542&start=30)

And here's another one, where you simply concede that I'm right:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=665&start=20 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=665&start=20)

And here's one where I beat you like a dog in the street:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=22&topic=655 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=655)

Okay, now that's done.

You're free to answer now, of course.

However, since you said that this was the pot calling the kettle black, may I have some examples from you? After all, you're the one who made the claim.

Thanks.

vox

(Edited by vox at 1:14 am on Aug. 1, 2002)



(Edited by vox at 1:18 am on Aug. 1, 2002)


"Here's one where my greater knowledge of history shut your mouth right quick:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=643&start=20 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=643&start=20) "

Not really, you basically gave the arguement that laborers in the gold rush days were unable to surpass barriers to entry, and thus were unable to stake their own claims.

This is untrue

Again, let alone the fact that these laborers were there out of thier own free will, they were more often than not there in an attempt to get their foot in the door in the west so they could stake their own claim and possibly homestead. The whole premise of your arguement seems to suggest that these arrangements were not mutually beneficial and voluntary, When in fact the were, that is theguiding principle of free market labor. And I grew up in sacramento, CA, the hub of the northern california gold rush, so I do know some of its history through regional studies and travel.

"And here's one where you ask for clarification, I give it, and you run away again:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=542&start=30 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=542&start=30)"

Thats not how I see it, I thought we both conceded that we differentiate on how one would measure "best". The answer to this question would be highly subjective and subject to interpretation, so I don't think you can assisgn "victory" to either of us on this topic.


"And here's another one, where you simply concede that I'm right:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=665&start=20 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=665&start=20)"

I admitted that I made acomment in haste, regardless of the arguement against it. I retracted my comment, true, but as far as your response went, I actually agreed with you, so yes, you were right, but we actually are in agreement on the issue. Me being humble enough to admit I jumped the gun is an action rarely seen among the primadonna's in here who can't admit when they are incorrect. I thought it was a testament to my opem-mindedness and honesty.


"And here's one where I beat you like a dog in the street:

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=22&topic=655 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=655)"

In whose opinion? Yours? And i'm sure some other leftists? Vox, my respoonse in that debate stands. There was nothing more to discuss. Just because someone submits the last post on a subject doesn't mean they win. Sometitmes it just means that both positions are made clear. That is most often the case for most devbates on this forum. Your claim of "beating me like a dog in the street" is a delusion of grandeur.