FATTY AMERICANS - I think you people are on to something her

[American Kid]

Good evening. How is everyone?

I'm the Kid.

So I was in line the other day in "Barnes and Noble". I noticed in line ahead of me was a fantastically over- wieght lady. I want to state, first off, that I am thin. In fact, I am unattractively thin. I do not like going to the beach. I'm like the fat kid who doesn't like to take his shirt off at the public swimming pool.

Only thin.

So this lady was speaking to the cashier about where she was going to eat next. Drum roll........McDonald's. Obviously, the last fucking thing she needs. It got me thinking, when I go to McDonald's (I shamefully admit, often) I notice and am somewhat disgusted by the over-wieght clientel. You see their trays as they walk to a table, and there's easily enough food on them to feed ten people. And fatties travel in packs, usually of four or five at a time. And so not only do they eat more than their share, but they take up everyone else's space too.

Why do I have to eat standing so fatty can sit down and take up not only their seat, but my own as well? Now I'm being a "goof ball" (right.....?). But this stuff can actually happen if you're on a commercial airline. Fatty takes up two seats all the time. The airlines want to charge him accordingly, but Fatty is fighting it in court.

My ex-roommate, whom I will identify only as Bruce Fathom, has a joke which has always made me laugh. He says he's disgusted by fat people because they "hog all of our scarce resources." Now that's a funny statement, but it's true. Isn't it?

Where are all the fatties in Sudan? I have friends from other countries who come to the US for the summer, and they're amazed by how fatty is everywhere here.

The anarchists (anarchy........ha........ha, ha...) were calling Stormin Norman, and Capitalist Imperial, and myself also (the Kid) I think, "you fat American!" And I was like, "Why's it always gotta be about fat?"

I mean, really. I thought they were just out of insults. But now I think I know where they were going with it.........

If obesity is a product of American, moderationless gluttony, than, as an American, it would truly, truly make me sick. Because I know we have all the money, and all the food, and all the guns, and these people are livng, walking, OBLIVIOUS products of this "inconsistency". I KNOW, fatty is everywhere. He's in Europe too. And asia and Australia, ect...But there's something particularly disgusting about fatty in America. And now they're trying to say it's a genetic thing.

Well if it's genetic, then where's all the fatties in Sudan?

-Kid


(Edited by American Kid at 5:44 am on July 24, 2002)

[Shyne]

fatty.. lmao...

im happy the way i am. im 6'3 224... i am just a huge motherfucka. i am also into weightlifting but lets not get started in that area. anyway, i like the often meal at mcdonalds. fatty people are disgusting at times, only when im pissed. but other then that, thats their problem.

[Guest]

I am from Colombia but I live here in America (and love it btw). One of the things I've noticed to this respect is that people here is the U.S. have gotten used to drinking too much soda. Even when you order a small soda, it is huge, and then they give you free refills. It's too bad there aren't more fruits here in this country as in Colombia, it would be so much healthier if people drank more juices instead..

I don't personally think hamburguers are that bad.. they have a little bit of every food group, beef, salad, cheese, bread....

Anyway I do think that most of the problem with overweight people in America is genetic. I eat a lot, really very much, and still I am quite skinny. I don't think no matter what I eat I could never get fat. I know some fat people on the other hand that eat way less than me and will never be skinny.

[peaccenicked]

From a poverty and obesity conference
''The Center for Gender Studies is hosting an interdisciplinary conference March 1-2, 2002 to address what is becoming a growing public health concernthe relationship between obesity and poverty. For the first time in global history, poor people in post-industrial nationsespecially in the United States are more likely to be seriously and unhealthily overweight than people from more affluent communities. The gap between rich and poor in the U.S. and globally is expanding, and at the same time so are waistlinesat an alarming rate. Americans are especially fatter than ever before, and public health officials have declared obesity an epidemic. Of greatest concern is the impact of socioeconomic discrepancy on differential health outcomes. Increasingly, the diseases of obesity, such as diabetes and hypertension, are concentrated in economically distressed populations and in particular, in their youth. As a result, the prospects of long-term good health for members of this growing community are grim. For these reasons, it is imperative that we begin to rethink the fundamental problems of obesity as they relate to health, public policy, and bodily practices. While the study of eating disorders has traditionally emerged from research related to gender and feminism, the complex dynamics of this phenomenon require a comprehensive and multi-disciplinary problem-solving approach. The Obesity and Poverty Conference will bring together scholars and specialists from a variety of disciplines to address the medical, policy, and theoretical consequences of this health crisis in the United States and how it relates to similar trends around the world. Representing biology, political theory, world history, law, feminist/queer studies, public policy, neurology, psychiatry, and psychoanalysis, these investigators will work to clarify the problem of diagnosing, treating, and stemming the obesity so prevalent in poor communities. ''

[American Kid]

Peacenicked, listen, I appreciate your addition to this little thread I've started.

Seriously, and I'm going to sincerely make an honest attempt to refrain from my usual, big-mouthed, "American Kid" antics, as I do genuinely wish to participate in a "healthy debate". But, again:

would you please, please use your OWN WORDS. Granted, this article was interesting, but still, dude.........

-AK

[American Kid]

Point taken, Guest Number Two Billion.

Maybe it is genetic, but again, then where are all the fatties in Sudan?

-The genome Kid

[bleed3r]

Not that I don't agree with a lot of what you said, but for starters, VERY few genes are global, a particular gene may be prevalent in a particular area for obvious reasons. A gene starts somewhere and replicates with the carriers of that gene. It doesnt just detach itself, trek to a coastal city and cross the atlantic to pop up in sudan. Just like a child born in sudan to native parents won't suddenly adopt the genetic characteristics of an asian (or american) child.

Second of all, genetics can only determine so much. Being born fat means nothing if you're growing up in a state unhealthy enough to offer malnutrition and MAKE you skinny...

Genetics aren't the only factor either. Metabolisms differ from human to human, some skinny people can eat the same amount or more than people who would get gigantic from it. Exercise and overall healthiness also factor in... Even a diet *lacking* fatty foods can cause the body to backlash and produce fats.

Prevalent or not, obesity isnt inherently evil. Sure it's a reminder of starving people and a constant symbol of greed, but unavoidable circumstances aren't unheard of, and whether "fatty" eats the burger or not, health food won't be shipped to starving countries... Fat people aren't to blame, it all gets back down to money and society. Humans, skinny or fat. We're the enemy.

*edited for typo*

(Edited by bleed3r at 8:22 am on July 24, 2002)

[James]

Fun Fact ; over 80% of americans are "over weight"

[Anonymous]

Maybe Americans are used to having all the food and are deciding no to let it all go to waste. Still, if WW3 broke out and America started drafting, might be a bit of a laugh. Your air-borne core would have difficulty takng off

[komsomol]

America gasmost money so it has most money to by food.

[suffianr]

AK, you're on to something, mate!
I read an article in the Economist a while back, and it jokingly proposed a McDonald's Index to replace conventional Consumer Price Indexes (CPI) as a measure of financial wealth. So, instead of measuring your country's income per capita based on money, base it on your price affordability of, say, a Big Mac! To find out how much you earn, just measure how many Big Macs you can buy with your disposable income. Or something like that.

The Chinese believe that fat people are a sign of social prosperity and economic well-being. Punjabis from Northern India are generally taller endomorphs compared to their brethren in the South. So, I guess fat people aren't really such a big deal after all (pardon the pun).

[Sasafrás]

No offense to anyone, but I am very disturbed by the standards set in place to determine whether or not a person is "overweight." It's as if society wants you to be anorexic and/or revoltingly thin. I know many girls who are 5'7" (Too lazy to convert to centimeters) in height and weigh between 150 and 200 pounds (Can't put that in kg, sorry), which seems perfectly fine to me, but every "ideal weight" chart I see makes it seem as if it is not. I'm not trying to say that it's okay to be grossly overweight, on the contrary, I do think that fat America needs to improve its diet; however, I just think that society needs to perhaps get a grip and realize that not everyone is able to be 5'7" & 110 pounds. I honestly admire cultures that look upon extra poundage & chubbiness as blessings because, in America, they're seen as curses (in spite of the fact that so many people are foully huge).

These are very interesting and relate slightly to the topic at hand:
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_350172.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/despatches/86740.stm




(Edited by La Rainbeaux at 10:51 am on July 24, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Well, I think AK is on to something here. While I do think the image of the American as often overweight is a stereotype, I also understand that statsistics may run contrary to my opinion.

I am 6'6", and currently weigh 300 pounds. On my last health binge I was down to about 270. I do exercise, and try to stay acticve and practice modration ( a constant struggle). I do have a gut, but a lot of it is muscle (my body, not the gut), and no one who sees me believes I am 300 lbs. I carry it well, partly because I am so tall, and do have very big bones (classic excuse, but true) but admittedly I could lose a few. Now I don't think I would qualify as a "fatty" per AK's characterization (though I love to eat and I love mcdonalds), I'm just a big guy.

On the other hand, my doctor tells me that someone of my height should be about 210 pounds. Believe me, If I weiged 210 pounds, I would be grotesquely skinny, a skinny of mythical proportions, possibly resembling AK's physique (no offense AK, just referencing your own description).

Given a choice, I would rather have a little extra meat on my bones than look like a latex glove stretched over a coat hanger.

But then again maybe I'm just rationalizing that 2nd helping of ribs.

ahhhhh, ribs....

[Sasafrás]

Seriously, thanks for sharing that CI. I'm a bit under 5'7" and I weigh, um, about 165 pounds, but nobody would ever assume it because, like you, I carry it well. It's placed appropriately. I think it's genetic in my case (not to be obese or anything, but to naturally be built wider & a bit heavier). In my family, the ladies tend to have "big bones" and all of us have wide hips and some have those healthy bubble-like (:biggrin:) posteriers praised by Sir Mix-a-Lot. And, to be perfectly honest with you, I don't deliberately do much exercise at all (I'm sure if I did, I'd get down), especially not during the summer. I have a job, I walk around the prison compound (that's where I work, tee hee :) ) a lot and I walk up to the park a few days out of the week. That's about it. I don't eat much, but when I do, it's likely to be greasy soul food. I live in Tennessee, what can I say? When you're surrounded by such great food (greens 'laced' with loads of pork & turkey , sweet potatoes, ribs, fried chicken, corn bread, etc.) like we are down here, what else can you do but eat it? And, since I mentioned Tennessee, I think it would be safe to say that a majority of the obese people in America probably live in the South.

I'm hungry. Bye.

~ La Rainbeaux

EDIT: I forgot to mention this, but another thing about the South. I was reading an article in a local Memphis health newspaper and there was a very interesting story written by a 5'6" (approximately), 115-lb. black girl who lives here and she was saying that she feels out of place & uncomfortable being so skinny here in Memphis. She said she was always taunted and guys never really wanted to date her because she didn't have those curves that they always want. People always say to her "You need to eat. Come to my house - I'll feed you." Her story really made me think twice about wanting to be her size. I always thought skinny girls had it made. I guess it just depends on where you live.

(Edited by La Rainbeaux at 10:55 am on July 24, 2002)

[Anonymous]

Yeh, but there's slightly overweight which is fine and then there's obese.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I think there are many slightly overweight people in the US, but truly obese? That is not just an american charcteristic.

[Brian]

I said nothing.

(Edited by Brian at 8:49 pm on Oct. 5, 2002)

[American Kid]

There is a fine line between over-wieght and obese. A lot of people are over-wieght. That's not a big deal. Maybe I was unclear in my post. Because my intended target was obesity (aka Fatty).

I work in a mall, and Fatty is everywhere. Now, I want it made clear, I am not a discriminatory person. Well, that's not true. We all are (this is what the fanatical, fundamental, anit-Americanists can never except; it's a human disease, not a red-white-and blue one). Of course I have my prejudices. Now am I going out breaking windows with bricks? No. But I have my fucked up, false, little pre-concieved notions of how some people are, and I try daily to override these "cognitive distortions." I can't help it, it's how I was raised. I am absolutetly, totally un-proud of this, but my family is from a very racist part of Boston. When I was little, my grandmother told me black people couldn't play hockey because they were all born with "weak knees and ankles." I believed this (why shouldn't've I have? Granmas don't lie) until right about high school. Now I'm a grown adult and (trust me) the cycle of racism has been surely broken. But still, I'm only human, and when I'm at a party, it's usually not the fat chicks I'm flirting with. The point is, everybody prejudges. Everyone.

But that's life.

But anyway, what I was trying to say is I see DOZENS of people everyday waddling back and forth through the mall and it amazes me. I know there's starving people in North Korea, and these fucking people eat that country's entire gross product as the second helping of DESERT. It's just kind of sickening. I'm not criticizing them as people. I'm criticizing their inability to act (EAT) with moderation. Their obesity being just one of it's many unpleasant by-products.

And I am well aware that criticizing other people's lack of moderation makes me a hypocrite considering how often I log on here drunk. But the Kid parties hard. And that's all there is to it.

-The Kid

[Supermodel]

I just have to say that when I came to America I was amazed at the degree of obesity. I mark it up to the fact that no matter how poor people are, food is always so cheap and plentiful that you can use it as a comfort.

Poorer groups such as blacks and native americans also use food as a means of celebrating their heritage and tend to eat naturally fatty food like pork and a lot of meat.

Americans also snack all the time. Seriously, in my office there is always food lying around, someone has a birthday, brings in cookies, opens a box of candy.

I'm one of the tall and skinny ones but it does take effort to stay this way. Those of you trying to lose weight, good luck. It is far healthier to be skinny and you'll be a better revolutionary too.

Final note: forget diets. All diets do is make you obsess about food. Just use a very small plate and eat half of what is on it, don't snack, do miss the occasional meal, and drink only water or black tea/coffee.

[Capitalist Imperial]

SM, you started the mexican migrant post, and never responded to the submissions. U R not born american? where R U from?

[EL CAPITAN]

i some reasons why americans r so fat:

they are generally wealthy

everything has become jumbo, in europe the large soda is the size of the american small! and imagine the supersize!

everything is big in america, from the roads, cars to buildings, mcdonalds servings and now even movie seats and toilets are being built larger

and with all these moms working too everyone (families) is eatin microwaved food or junkfood

finally all those laws give the right for fat people to stand up and demand these new things like larger airplane seats

if you go to america then go to europe you'll be shocked on how little everything iz in europe, or how big everyting is in america, specially the people!

[Moskitto]

And now they're trying to say it's a genetic thing.

Well if it's genetic, then where's all the fatties in Sudan?

That is a fucking powerful anti-nazi arguement.

[Brian]

Quote: from Funky Monk on 1:46 pm on July 24, 2002
Maybe Americans are used to having all the food and are deciding no to let it all go to waste. Still, if WW3 broke out and America started drafting, might be a bit of a laugh. Your air-borne core would have difficulty takng off
Sorry to dispoint you but most U.S Soldiers have to be a certain weight and must be very healthy and ones that aren't are whipped into shape and all U.S soldiers have fitness tests.There are no fat U.S soldiers.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 9:53 pm on July 24, 2002

And now they're trying to say it's a genetic thing.

Well if it's genetic, then where's all the fatties in Sudan?

That is a fucking powerful anti-nazi arguement.


are nazis a big problem in europe? Most of the european posters here reference them often

[marxistdisciple]

I swear I see neo-nazi idiots in the pubs all the bloody time. If they aren't nazi's they at least hold a lot of their views. Maybe we have a lot of stupid people in the UK or something.

It's not really weird how there are so many people that are obese in America. As it's been put, when you go out for a meal, you get twice as much food as us europeans (i'm not saying that's a bad thing :)
You get cheaper food from supermarkets, but there is so much convenience food about and soooo much sugar. That's what I put it down to, people drink kool aid and soda all the time. There are about two cups of of sugar in two quarts of coke, that's a lot of sugar. You have candy, and Mcdonalds. You eat donuts for breakfast, (while the brits eat toast and the french eat croisants lol.)
Hey, I'm not blaming you, American food is gooood. I love going over there just for the food, hell yes. It's yummy. And I love eating donuts for breakfasts (even slightly more than I love bagels.) There is too much good food, so really, it is actually your own fault :) It tastes too good. Make it taste nasty and everyone would lose weiight. lol

[Capitalist Imperial]

Yeah, Ive heard that europoean food servings are smaller than american servings.

That sucks for europeans

I actually think that some american resturaunts rob me on my portions

Then again, I am an American pig (but not obese)

[marxistdisciple]

All I wish for are steaks as big as you guys serve :)
I would eat half a cow if I could afford it :)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Yeah, when it comes to good steak, you can't beat the USA

I want to try european poms-fritz, though. Are they very different from american "french fries"? (an oxymoron, I know)

[peaccenicked]

http://www.oneworld.net/guides/poverty/front.shtml
P O V E R T Y

'Poverty is not to be suffered in silence by the poor. Nor can it be tolerated by those with power to change it. The challenge is now to mobilize action - state by state, organization by organization, individual by individual.' James Gustave Speth, UNDP


Access to rights - Poverty is not about money. It is about access. Access to the basic rights of food, clothes and shelter, education, proper health care, clean water - rights which most of us take for granted. In the past 50 years there has been greater poverty reduction than in the previous 500, with more and more people across the world gaining access to these rights. Yet over one billion people still live in severe poverty today - and the clock is turning backwards, with poverty on the increase once again.

Money talk - It may seem pedantic to draw this distinction between human poverty (lack of access) and income poverty (lack of money). In many situations the connection between the two is obvious: money buys access, and to have money means that you are not poor. However, in many other cases income levels do not reflect levels of poverty: in Cuba, for example, where incomes have remained comparatively low, state provision of education and health care over the past 40 years has raised the country to second in the UN's Human Poverty Index of developing countries - ahead of Chile, Singapore and many other 'richer' states.

Poverty among riches - Defining poverty as lack of access also reveals the scale of deprivation in the world's industrialised countries. Although an annual income of US$10,000 would be more than adequate in many countries of the developing world, a US family on such an income will experience severe want. According to the US Census Bureau, more than 35 million people in the USA live in poverty - 13 per cent of the population. In the UK, which has experienced extensive social disintegration over the past 20 years, government figures show one in three children now grows up in poverty (in 1979 the proportion was one in ten).

The rich get richer - The new rise in poverty levels over the past two decades is no coincidence, but comes as a direct result of the global economic blueprint adopted by some state governments and forced on others in the form of structural adjustment programmes by international donors such as the IMF and World Bank. This model of privatisation and deregulation claimed that the benefits of economic growth would of their own accord `trickle down' to the rest of society. Yet the policies of liberalisation themselves ensured that this could not happen, leading to the massive gaps in income between rich and poor experienced across the world today. The combined wealth of the world's seven richest men could eradicate the poverty of the one billion poorest, according to the UN.

New directions - At last the negative effects of neo-liberalisation are beginning to undermine the confidence with which it was previously defended. The 1995 World Summit for Social Development held in Copenhagen recognised this explicitly, and the UN has now called for `pro-poor' policies to redress the balance. The ambitious target of halving world poverty by the year 2015 demands that states incorporate poverty eradication into their economic strategies. However, real success will depend on the larger choice the world makes between the two basic models of development: economic growth at all cost, or sustainable growth with equity.

[Capitalist Imperial]

peacenicked, U R a food-buzzkill

LOL

[Brian]

Mouth Watering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)


http://www.creativecookskitchen.com/images/chicken.jpg

[Capitalist Imperial]

talk dirty to me

[American Kid]

Moskitto, I, like Grandpa fifty years ago paratrooping in the Ardennes, in the course of my day-to-day life, try to take out as many nazis as possible.

-The nazi-hating Kid

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 12:45 am on July 25, 2002
Yeah, when it comes to good steak, you can't beat the USA

I want to try european poms-fritz, though. Are they very different from american "french fries"? (an oxymoron, I know)



Come to England and try 'chips'. The British dont do Pomme Frittes. Although the best place for chips is Holland, the mayonnaise is absolutely gorgeous.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Yeah, you put mayonaise on your fries in europe, but I don't think it is exactly like american mayonaise. Anyway, we use ketchup stateside, but I would try poms fritz and mayo. I'll try almost anything once.

Footnote: Mayonaise is the one thing on earth I appreciate about the french.

They can't fight wars, we've bailed them out of 2 big ones in the same century, their people are idiots, their country appreciates nothing, and they have wussy accents.

Got to hand it to them on mayonaise, though.

[James]

Again you are sounding so abnoxious...

"They can't fight wars,"

What happened in the late 18th and early 19th centuary?


"we've bailed them out of 2 big ones in the same century"

Typical american argoant view. What about all those others that were fighting those couple of years, before you A. Saw it good for trade B. Got bombed, or had a ship sank by accident, and decided to "bail" the french out... What about the USSR? Or do you think if it hadn't been for them hitler would have still lost?

"their people are idiots"

See most of the above ;)

Some great people have come out of france, also have you ever been to Paris? Its beutiful!

"their country appreciates nothing"

Its called arrogance...they arn't the only ones btw!

"they have wussy accents"

French girls sound so damn sexy!!! I think its a beutiful language, i wish i could speak it :(

[Goldfinger]

IT'S CALLED POMMES FRITES, everyone!!!!

[Capitalist Imperial]

OK, OK james, I was just kidding

Mostly, kinda sorta, almost.

BTW, on the WWII note, I acknowledge it was truely a group effor, and the allies were fighting for a whaile b4 the US entered...

However, on the flip side, we were the only nation to fully committ to 2 theaters, europe and the pacific. In the pacific, we were pretty much by ourselves against japan (we had minimal help from china and australia).

We were the only nation fully committed to both theatres. We defeated japan, and led the d-day invasion to liberate western europe, we led the battle of the budge, and b-17's of the mighty 8th, with mustang escorts, did more damage to thew nazi war machine than any other bomber force

[Red Revolution]

CI
The British fought in the same 2 theatres and (also a 3rd Africa if you can call it one) they did so for 1 for 2 years longer after bieng deserted by the French. They fought in India, Burma and the former Siam where the US did not. They also faced up and carried on through bombings. Thanks to the commonweath more than to the US.

[Capitalist Imperial]

US was in africa, too, I was counting that in the european theater.

Thanks tothe commonwealth more than the US? Get serious.

[mentalbunny]

Calling all americans! You are now officially torturers with no respect for human rights! :o Your president has voted against an anti-torture protocol, basically admitting that americans torture, but won't let it be officially known. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. better than that one of you should assasinate your bloody monkey of a leader. It makes me sick. :angry:

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 10:41 pm on July 25, 2002
Calling all americans! You are now officially torturers with no respect for human rights! :o Your president has voted against an anti-torture protocol, basically admitting that americans torture, but won't let it be officially known. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. better than that one of you should assasinate your bloody monkey of a leader. It makes me sick. :angry:

We prefer the term "attempt at political readjustment".

[vodun]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 10:41 pm on July 25, 2002
Calling all americans! You are now officially torturers with no respect for human rights! :o Your president has voted against an anti-torture protocol, basically admitting that americans torture, but won't let it be officially known. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. better than that one of you should assasinate your bloody monkey of a leader. It makes me sick. :angry:

58% Slut.
42% Confused.

[Capitalist Imperial]

What are you, mentalbunny? French? French Canadian?

Either way, I am sorry.

[American Kid]

I am immune to ridicule, that which falls from the mouths of sluts. Wholly or partly, no matter the percantile.......

[boadicea88]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 2:41 pm on July 25, 2002
Calling all americans! You are now officially torturers with no respect for human rights! :o Your president has voted against an anti-torture protocol, basically admitting that americans torture, but won't let it be officially known. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. better than that one of you should assasinate your bloody monkey of a leader. It makes me sick. :angry:


I am very ashamed. :angry:

[Brian]

Hmmmmm, Molson Canadian.

http://www.zianet.com/spencer/molson801.jpg


(Edited by Brian at 9:57 pm on Aug. 3, 2002)

[Brian]

I'm about 135lb and 5'6".


I guess I go into CI's short wussy directory?

[Mazdak]

Quote: from vodun on 1:26 am on July 26, 2002
[quote]
58% Slut.
42% Confused.



ROFLMAO. I hate you, but that was so low and unexpected i couldnt help but laugh histerically.

I am 6'2 and 175 pounds. I dont know if that makes me fat.

[Anonymous]

I'm 5'11 200lbs.

[Brian]

I hate women who are taller then me.


The good news is most women these days are 5'2" or 5'4".

[Mazdak]

I am keeping this thread alive because i want to see MBs response to Vodun. His comment was so unexpected/low i couldnt help laugh histerically.

(Edited by Mazdak at 6:45 pm on Oct. 6, 2002)

[Goldfinger]

Oh, the nostalgia. Back when this thread was new I didn't have internet, and I remember sitting on a french cyber cafe replying to this thread....

[Stormin Norman]

Damn frogs. Gotta hate them.

[Goldfinger]

Stormin Norman

You are a moron. The way you critisise french people for being called frogs (because that's what you're doing), simply shows how idiotic and ignorant you cappies are. France is a beautiful country, with a great people, who like to rebel. When I was there this summer, I met some nice people waving black flags outside an Accor hotel, protesting against the sweatshop conditions the maids working in the group. It's also a nice place to start a jazz musician carreer.

Where did you go this vacation? You just grumpy because I got to go to France.