Mexican Migrant Workers - your views?

[Supermodel]

Every day/week, hundreds of thousands of Mexicans risk their lives to cross the US border illegally (by swimmong across the Rio Grande) just so they can work for a few dollars as agricultural hands, pool cleaners, yard workers, animal care takers.

These hard working people mostly go back to Mexico the same way to give the money they make to their families.

Now a few that come over stay, perhaps have kids, and enter their kids into the school system. I say the kids have every right to the schooling.

If one of the workers gets ill, I say they have every right to the best care available, because that's what a civilized society does.

Some farmers have put water drinking fountains in the desert so the workers will not die on the journey and the Mexican government even hands out survival kits of food, water, medicine, and well, condoms.

Most of the workers do not pay taxes or social security, but then again they do not benefit from these either.

I am totally in favor of providing those with a clean criminal record a guest pass and giving them safe, quick passage to their worksites.

Are we a civilized nation or not? There are some who would rip them from their hospital beds and put them on the next bus to Tijuana.

I think the small drain on the US economy from those who end up needing social service is miniscule compared to what these workers do for the economies of the US and Mexico.

Thoughts?

[Guest]

"I think the small drain on the US economy from those who end up needing social service is miniscule compared to what these workers do for the economies of the US and Mexico. "

minuscule? It costs the US more than 1.2 billion dollars annually.

And not a few stay, MOST of them stay and periodically send money to their families back in Mexico. Only a few go back.

Of course if they have kids in the US, these are automatically US citizens and therefore have all the rights to schooling and everything else. You sound as if you thought they don't, they do.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Are you asking if it is OK to allow illegal immigrants to reap the benefits of programs that I work at least 8 hours/day to pay for, when they are spending most of their dollars in mexico? The cheap labor is only 1/2 of the economic equation. If they are spending $$ in mexico, that hurts the US economy.

While legitimate US citizens suffer from hunger and homelessness?


"Most of the workers do not pay taxes or social security, but then again they do not
benefit from these either."

To the contrary, if the US renders any kind of assistance to these individuals, then they are in fact directly benefitting from tax $$$.

Lets divert those resources to legitimate US citizens in true need, not people knowingly violating US law and then pumping much of the dirty $$ they earn into mexico.

Qualifier: I live in San Diego, home of the largest US/Mexico border crossing, just to let you know I am not standing in conneticut on a soapbox.

[Guest]

any true capitalist and humanitarian would see the benefits of migrant labor in farms or industries such as construction

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Guest on 9:09 pm on July 22, 2002
any true capitalist and humanitarian would see the benefits of migrant labor in farms or industries such as construction

Any capitalist would, I agree, but said migrant labor needs to be legal and taxed accordingly.

Any capitalist understands that $$$ earned in the US, 1st of all untaxed, and then spent in mexico, hurts the US economy.

Any person should understand that we are diverting resources to acommodate illegal immigrants, while legal, tax-paying citizens are suffering.

That is not OK.

[Guest]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:21 pm on July 22, 2002

Quote: from Guest on 9:09 pm on July 22, 2002
any true capitalist and humanitarian would see the benefits of migrant labor in farms or industries such as construction

Any capitalist would, I agree, but said migrant labor needs to be legal and taxed accordingly.

Any capitalist understands that $$$ earned in the US, 1st of all untaxed, and then spent in mexico, hurts the US economy.

Any person should understand that we are diverting resources to acommodate illegal immigrants, while legal, tax-paying citizens are suffering.

That is not OK.

untaxed money, earned in the US, and spent in mexico benefits the US economy. First the labor rendered by mexican laborers would otherwise not be performed, therefore the velocity of the money that become's the wages of migrant laborers would be diminished. From your previous posts I know you are familiar with how the velocity of money and the diminished marginal propensity to save of migrant laborers (in relation to the marginal propensity to save of their contractors) benefits the US economy by increasing spending here in the US.

Secondly, the money that is sent to mexico may often be spent on US manufactures and services.

thirdly, the free movement of labor is ideologically in keeping with free market liberal principles embodied in treaties like nafta.

[Guest]

Forgot your password again?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Guest on 1:22 am on July 23, 2002

untaxed money, earned in the US, and spent in mexico benefits the US economy. First the labor rendered by mexican laborers would otherwise not be performed, therefore the velocity of the money that become's the wages of migrant laborers would be diminished. From your previous posts I know you are familiar with how the velocity of money and the diminished marginal propensity to save of migrant laborers (in relation to the marginal propensity to save of their contractors) benefits the US economy by increasing spending here in the US.

Secondly, the money that is sent to mexico may often be spent on US manufactures and services.

thirdly, the free movement of labor is ideologically in keeping with free market liberal principles embodied in treaties like nafta.



Labor would still be performed, albeit legally. I don't take exception against mexican laborers, I take exception against illegal labor and the resources we commit to minimizing it, and sometimes even making concessions to it. Taking $$ from the US and spending it in another nation does not contribute to economic velocity. $$$ needs to stay within the system to maximize economic viability. Propoensity to save or spend is irrelevant if the $$$ is in mexico.

$$ in mexico is seldom spent on US goods/services. If that was the case, most migrants would spend the $$$ here, where said goods/services would be less expensive than they would be as imports.

free movement of labor is a good thing, but it needs to be legal and taxed.

Deferring resources that could go to US citizens in real need to deal with willing, intentional violators is not OK!!

[AgustoSandinoSegundo]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:04 pm on July 23, 2002

Quote: from Guest on 1:22 am on July 23, 2002

untaxed money, earned in the US, and spent in mexico benefits the US economy. First the labor rendered by mexican laborers would otherwise not be performed, therefore the velocity of the money that become's the wages of migrant laborers would be diminished. From your previous posts I know you are familiar with how the velocity of money and the diminished marginal propensity to save of migrant laborers (in relation to the marginal propensity to save of their contractors) benefits the US economy by increasing spending here in the US.

Secondly, the money that is sent to mexico may often be spent on US manufactures and services.

thirdly, the free movement of labor is ideologically in keeping with free market liberal principles embodied in treaties like nafta.



Labor would still be performed, albeit legally. I don't take exception against mexican laborers, I take exception against illegal labor and the resources we commit to minimizing it, and sometimes even making concessions to it. Taking $$ from the US and spending it in another nation does not contribute to economic velocity. $$$ needs to stay within the system to maximize economic viability. Propoensity to save or spend is irrelevant if the $$$ is in mexico.

$$ in mexico is seldom spent on US goods/services. If that was the case, most migrants would spend the $$$ here, where said goods/services would be less expensive than they would be as imports.

free movement of labor is a good thing, but it needs to be legal and taxed.

Deferring resources that could go to US citizens in real need to deal with willing, intentional violators is not OK!!

[RGacky3]

Many people call Immegrant mexican workers lazy people who want easy money. Whoever says that should die slowly. I think that Mexican workers are an extreamly important factor in the U$ economy, and they should get social security even if they don't pay taxes. CI you know what WILL hurt the U$ economy, all the Mexicans going back to Mexico, that would destroy it.

[Shyne]

nevermind.

(Edited by Shyne at 4:04 pm on July 23, 2002)

[Guest]

from my experiences, mexican migrant workers dont work hard enough. they should be paid less until they deserve their $2.50 paycheck

[Shyne]

jeez, youre an asshole.

[Capitalist Imperial]

lol

[Shyne]

btw, i was the guest that posted a little while ago..

[Mazdak]

Mexican farm workers are the perfect example of the exploited person. not all of them, by the way, are illegal immigrants..

[Capitalist Imperial]

Exploited? Exploited? They come here! No one forces them!! How are they exploited? This oughta be good.

My whole point on this thread was discussing the adverse effects of illegal immigrants on the US and its economy and resources, I have absolutely no problem with legitimate, legal migrant workers.

[samaniego]

If my MEXICAN people didn't come over here, who do you think would pick your food? Mexican people have a right to be here, as does anyone who seeks to better their life. So fuck you for saying we don't work hard enough, I'll out work you and anyone else who say's we don't work hard. My people do what they can to live not for your fucking approval.

[RGacky3]

Quote: from Guest on 12:06 am on July 24, 2002
from my experiences, mexican migrant workers dont work hard enough. they should be paid less until they deserve their $2.50 paycheck


oh ya and I guess the farm owners that pay the mexicans work SOOO hard, so that they should get payed most of the profits. FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING STUPID PIECE OF SHIT WHY DON"T YOU FUCKING DIE, I AM GOING TO KILL YOU SLOWLY YOU FUCKING PIECE OF CAPPIE SHIT.