How Karl Marx Would Die Were He to Disgrace this Earth Again

[Zephyr Seija]

Alright, here's how it's going down. First, I would create some sort of time resistant force field that would keep Karl alive forever. Next, I would use the Chinese water torture with mineral water on him for all eternity, allowing small droplets of water to fall upon his head, gradually growing into the worst pain imaginable. It would be as though he was being hit in the face with a hammer but never being killed after unfathomable impacts. Then, after millions of years of this truly enjoyable torture (as a spectator sport, of course), the water will slowly form a long stalactite that will gradually grow long enough to slowly push a hole directly through Marx's miserable and useless brain. Then, I will let capitalists everwhere bathe in the blood of evil, for a price, so that they may be enlightened to the glories of Capitalism.

[peaccenicked]

gere is a the site for you, why dont you go there and stay there.
http://www.watchingyou.com/index.html

[Nateddi]

so this is the glorious, humorous way of arguing against the left and promoting your capitalistic beliefs, eh?

[Stormin Norman]

Pretty witty. I just might like you. Nice post. Excellent ideas. Did you used to go by the name of Apache?

[marxistdisciple]

This has just further convinced me that my opinion, "Capitalists are Evil" is correct. Talk about torturing Marx? Sounds like bitterness to me. I Thought capitalism was supposed to be about free speech and democracy? Nope, you're just evil. Knew it.

[vox]

"Then, I will let capitalists everwhere bathe in the blood of evil, for a price, so that they may be enlightened to the glories of Capitalism."

Yep. Now we see what really turns right-wingers on: bathing in the blood of evil. And SN thinks it's witty! Hee!

But then, did anyone here ever doubt that right-wingers want to bathe in evil? I didn't.

Thanks for showing eveyrone the true face of right-wing insanity.

vox

[Zephyr Seija]

I certainly agree that I am evil, just like I would say that every human on this Earth is evil, no matter who he is or what his beliefs are. Evil lives in the minds of all, and none of you should forget that. I say such things about Marx mostly just for the shock effect, as well as to piss you commes off because well it is so very easy. However, your insults to me are at best trivial, and of a very minor concern. Evil is all and encompases all. Despite how pompous and self-assured you all may be, you are all evil, as I am evil, and none of us deserve whatever lies ahead for us but eternal pain. As well, I didn't think it would be very honorable to attack Karl Marx so without adding a little humor about the worse end of capitalism, "Then, I will let capitalists everwhere bathe in the blood of evil, for a price, so that they may be enlightened to the glories of Capitalism." Note to Vox: Michael told me all about your legendary ability to break down people's arguements into sentence-by-sentence analysis' and destroy them with their own words. I'm waiting. And hey, you gotta give me some credit for my creativity, eh?


(Edited by Zephyr Seija at 12:06 pm on July 22, 2002)

[Michael De Panama]

Geez, Drew.

Do you want to settle this and take the debate to this message board, man? You know, have a legitimate argument?

(Edited by Michael De Panama at 6:12 pm on July 22, 2002)

[Zephyr Seija]

No, legitimacy is way over-rated. Besides, communists are just as stubborn as me and will never admit that they are wrong. Like when one raises the issue that communism has never worked, they just say that communism has never been attempted, only Stalinism and dictatorships, which are more or less the same thing. Even thought they have no tangible reference in this world for communism except for a theory, they stick by it to the bitter end. As will I by my pointless banter and hilarious torture methods. And even though we have working capitalism in the United States, where those who run the businesses are the rich and the ones who get ahead, I won't bother starting an agruement that I can't win entirely because neither the communists nor the capitalists will ever admit they are wrong. Oh, and I am not Apache.


(Edited by Zephyr Seija at 12:25 pm on July 22, 2002)

[Michael De Panama]

God hates a coward, sonny. :)

[marxistdisciple]

Hey, don't judge other people by your won standards. You may be evil, but I'm not. Leftwinders are interested in humanity and human rights. Sure, everyone is at least somewhat selfish, that doesn't make everyone EVIL. If anyone is evil though, it is clearly you. You like to bathe in people's blood. As far as I know, that's still evil even under capitalist American society. Maybe you are just slightly too evil, and we are all in the shallow end, paddling in the (dr. evil coined phrase) quasi-evil?

And as for the argument, you will never win it on this, we are far more stubborn than you could ever be :)

[Zephyr Seija]

I don't know if you are more stubborn than I. I've yet to meet someone who is more, however my guess would be that we are equal. And I'm not judging by my standards, I'm judging by what I've seen in the world, in the schools, on the news, and just about everywhere else. Humans have no honor and will do anything for money, which is sad, because that is not how capitalism should be. Capitalism without philosophy is a huge waste of resources, just as communism in practice is a massive failure. Evil is through and through, and every person is evil. How evil is just up to them. I, however much Michael would deny, am not very evil at all. You don't know me and therefor cannot accurately judge me. I just like to irritate stubborn communists such as yourself. Toodaloo.


(Edited by Zephyr Seija at 2:57 pm on July 22, 2002)

[Mazdak]

there is a bit of evil in everyone,everyone has racist or homophobic ideas, but these are simply disregarded and left in the back of our minds.

And Stormin Norman- you say i never have logical arguments yet you support this guy who probably cant spell his own name. You confuse me

[Zephyr Seija]

Actually, Zephyr is not my name, but rather a shortening of the name Zephyrus or Zephyros, the Greek God of the West Wind. As for Seija, that is mearly a name I made up that I thought would sound cool along with Zephyr as a full name. And I have yet to notice if I have misspelled any part of my posts, so you should try basing your statements on facts and not assumptions. Assumptions can be very dangerous to one's health if they use them in the wrong places. ;)


(Edited by Zephyr Seija at 3:00 pm on July 22, 2002)

[Guest]

"And even though we have working capitalism in the United States"???????

hmmmm bit of a strange comment, considering all the shit the markets are going through all over the world, but especially in U.$.A.
You've got thousands of people losing jobs all the time, families losing their homes and all their savings because of it.
In Britain you have Industrial action being taken almost everyday day, by one group of workers or another, because of low pay and poor working conditions. You have the government fighting with almost every major trade union.

If this is capitalism working. I'd hate to see it going wrong!!!

[Zephyr Seija]

Ok, used to be working. And all I meant was that it was happening the way it was supposed to. Those who were inginuitive and had new ideas and knew how to sell them made money. That is how capitalism works, or at least should. It gives everyone a chance if they know how to make it work.

[Mazdak]

ok, so you can spell your name, but your first post simply showed immaturity to the max. your post had no political or logical arguments in it yet stormin norman guzzles it up like he does all his US propaganda.

My arguments make no sense yet your first post had him cheering.

[Zephyr Seija]

How was that US related propaganda? That was mearly anti-communist propaganda. There are plenty of capitalist nations such as Singapore, Japan, and mny European countries. Also, I don't deny that it was immature, but you can't even use proper capitalization and punctuation, so you should worry about your own foibles before you pick on someone else. And, you commies don't seem to realize that the whole purpose of that post was to ruffle your feathers, which it seems to be doing quite well. You should be more wary of such things. It's humor. The reason that Stormin Norman likes it is because he thinks its funny, I imagine...

(Edited by Zephyr Seija at 4:52 pm on July 22, 2002)

[Michael De Panama]

The thing is, Drew, as I've told you many times, communism has never actually been in practice. Regardless of the title "communism" and regardless of all the times you've been taught that communism is different in theory than it is in practice, the actually theory itself has never EVER been practiced. Never. Leninist theory has been practiced, and failed. Maoist theory has been practiced, and failed. But none of these ever even ATTEMPTED to go to where Marx led them.

No, instead, each and every so-called "communist" nation has done the complete opposite of Marx's goals and created a heirarchial structure within pre-industrial conditions of class antagonism, similar to the antagonism of the bourgeoisie to the proletariat. This is not the fault of communism, this is the fault of a few moronic leaders who thought that the peasantry, or the petty bourgeoisie, should be the vanguard of the communist revolutions, which led to the bourgeois mutation of communism.

People are not evil by nature, the bourgeoisie is. Until a communist society run democratically by the proletariat fails the way the USSR did, I see no reason why anyone should convice themselves that it is not possible.

[Mazdak]

Zephyr, or drew, why do you care so much aobut my puncuation? I type quickl.y I dont feel like making changes just so you feel better.

[Zephyr Seija]

I don't care, but if you're going to try and insult my spelling, I will insult your terrible presentation of your arguements. Now as for you Michael, like you said communism in theory has never been practiced, so what makes you think that it's ever going to work. Why, it's such a perfect ideology that surely someone would have kept on trying to make it work. It sure does seem that way, but in fact all people are evil, not just the bourgeoisie because they were more entrepreneurial than the proletariat and found a way to get ahead. What is in the mind of every person who is below someone else's "stature" is to get ahead of them for selfish desires and personal gains. And stature sure is an ugly word. I don't believe in social standing any more than you do, but right now that is the only option if you want to live a weathly and happy live with the necessities for living. I don't care what you say about anyone, the only person who was ever truly good was Jesus Christ, whether or not he was real. If he was real, then it's unbelieveable that he could be so good to people for no personal gain of his own. If not, it sure is one hell of a story. Anyway, the point is that because communism has never really been attempted, you have no idea that it will work, and by the fact that no one has kept on trying until they got it right just makes it seem like it isn't really worth the time. And Michael, these are my personal views so try ont to take them too personal this time, kay! ;)

(Edited by Zephyr Seija at 8:33 pm on July 22, 2002)

[Mazdak]

i didnt insult your spelling idiot, i insulted your literacy.

[Zephyr Seija]

Wrong.
"you say i never have logical arguments yet you support this guy who probably cant spell his own name" - Mazdak

[marxistdisciple]

People aren't inherantly evil, or greedy, they are taught to act this way to get ahead in a capitalist society. You aren't suggesting humans somehow are greedy as soo n as they are born are you? Secondly, capitalism creates a natural divide in society between the Bougeoise and the Proletarian. If you had been doing your reading first, you would know this. On the other hand, communism judges wealth by a different means, therefore the divide is removed. I don't want to get ahead of anyone particularly, and most people I know don't either. In fact most people I know just want to get a job that pays them well enough to live on, and hopefully something that they can enjoy. They get this way after they realise that you can't become rich as easily as it seems, (at least without losing the morals that bind you down here.) I find most people I know just work in order to do things they enjoy doing.

However in the capitalist society we live in, companies force more and more pressure on employees. You don't have a job anymore, you have a mission to make the company better. My bosses work unpaid hours for the council because they just can't let the job go at the weekend or in evenings. We have created a workaholic society. In their spare time they are too lazy to learn anything new, or protest about the way the world is going, because frankly, they are just too tired.

Instead they watch soap operas and see how other people's lives are much more complicated than theirs, and this fills them with blissful ignorance to the world around them, and they suddenly feel lucky and privileged again. This is the only way I can explain the majority of people just wanting to be ignorant and content. It is also the only reason that I can explain why most people in this country read the Sun over other newspapers. Has anyone actually read it? It's writing of diabolical trash, rubbish and opinionated garbage.

I know, because my housemate reads it. She was reading my newspaper the other day, I think it was the guardian or something, and she got bored very easily. Maybe it is because she is more interested in celebrity marriages than actual news? We have created a culture of ignorance....maybe people would actually complain if they knew anything about the issues?

Like I keep saying, stop judging other people by your own standards, I know lots of people that do things to help other people! What explains giving to charities? How does that help personal gain? People aren't naturally evil, they are perhaps naturally selfish. This is an instinct. Almost no one has put other people above all else, but there are more names than you care to mention. Did you forget Mother Terresa and Ghandi? Surely they didn't do it for personal gain. I'm pretty sure che's motives were for the good of the people, not just him. Every soldier that fights in battle believes they are doing something for a greater good.

Your arguments are ridiculous and clearly flawed. It's the usual capitalist argument - once you can't win anyway you start making non-provable, unsubstantiated comments about how all people are "evil." Or how people naturally want to rape the system ecconomically for personal gain. It's not natural, it's just types like you! Suffice to say, you are not the majoirty of the country. You are the scum that distorts us and wrecks our future.

[komsomol]

This is the little shit I was talking to on AIM, he has little grasp of logic at all. He of course never put any of my ponts down, he either said no or jumped to a different point. Then of course he blocked me or ignored me.

P.S Nobody and everybody is evil as its open to personal perception.

[Capitalist Imperial]

The "true communism has never been practiced" argument is total BS. Societies always try to establish the utopia, and then it evolves into a dictatorial regime. It has happened every time.

So, basically, what we have seen of communism in real history is the true evolution of communism, and the "utopia" that lefties claim is still acheivable is an imaginary state that cannot be acheived, indeed it never has after several attempts.

[marxistdisciple]

Yeah, he's a moron. Why's he gracing this board?

[Xvall]

Communism has been practiced, a LONG time ago. Capitalism killed it.. I will explain in a post later..