Hiring Practices - Equality for most

[Stormin Norman]

When I start my own business that requires employees to help me produce my goods, I will need to consider my hiring practices. After the treatment I have recently received, I believe I will discriminate. No, not because of race, religion, or age, but rather based on ideology. It appears that the left has no problem with that kind of discrimination. Therefore, I assume that it is fair game.
When interviewing I will ask pointed questions that will help me determine a persons political leanings, and if I think they are a hardcore leftist I will simply hire somebody else. It is in my best interest not to hire somebody who will curse me for giving them a job, so I won't.
When talking to friends that also operate businesses, I will make mention of this fact. Hopefully, my powers of persuation will prevail and they too will refuse work to any potential left wingers. The movement will expand as any pro-business kind of guy will see the benefit in these hiring practices. Soon everyone with any sort of left wing ideology will be hard placed the find a job. They will see what it is like to be discriminated against based on ideas.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 8:35 am on July 21, 2002
Soon everyone with any sort of left wing ideology will be hard placed the find a job. They will see what it is like to be discriminated against based on ideas.I don't get it. How are right wingers currently discriminated against in such a way? Besides here at Che-Lives, I mean, which is a specifically left-wing site. (For your information, right wing sites discriminate against leftists in a way similar to Malte's.) Unless your business is something specifically right wing (printing "Choose Life" t-shirts, perhaps) this would be pretty stupid.

Lindsay

[marxistdisciple]

Well it really depends on their jobs doesnt it CI? Maybe you wont be able to employ anyone because no one will be right wing enough for you?
What a dumb idea. Maybe eventually by this logic you will let all the left wingers die on the street, and there will be none left. then you can live in the right wing world you crave so much?
I'm sure yousiad in an earlier post that discriminating about your workforce was harmful to business and that's why they DIDN'T do it? Are you retracting that argument, or just being a hipocrit?

[Stormin Norman]

No, I am simply stating that when businesses consider who they must hire it would be in their best interest not to hire someone that would be disloyal. Aren't you guys anti-business? Why then, should a business owner even consider someone who calls themself a communist? The attitudes that many of you have regarding business could be construed as counterproductive and dangerous. Someone that believes that their employer is the great white satan might lie, cheat, and steal. They could justify such behavior to themselves by reasoning that that is what is being done to them by the very people who give them the means to subsist.
Have you ever heard of a concept known as gratitude. Quite frankly, when someone decides to take a chance with me, by investing the time and resources to train me and put me into one of their limited positions, I am thankful for their trust. As long as the mutual respect between me and my employer exists, and as long as the job is still in my best interest, I will give them 100% of my effort and ability to perform the task that I was hired to do. If niether one the those things holds true anymore, then I will give my resignation without bitter feelings of resentment. Why should anyone expect a raging leftist to abide by this same code of ethics?
How many of you guys saw "Office Space" and loved it? Probably all of the communists in this forum would side with the workers who conspired to rip off the company. Not to mention the threat of litigation in this continously flammable market. What would stop a liberal from trying to sue the company if they were disillusioned enough to think they had a valid case? Nothing, because they have some notion that the business world owes them something.
When weighing all of that out, any sensible employer would take the conservative over the liberal. They are less likely to be sued by their employees, and they are less likely to have an employee commit sabotage or some other loathsome crime against the company.
You say that failing to hire communists would limit my pool of applicants. Yes it would. It would limited it to people who care about contracts, property, and ethics. In reality, it wouldn't limit it at all. In my world, communists are few and far between. The communists threat is extremely weak. It is some silly idea of a utopia society clung to by the least among us. You wouldn't necessarily have to weed them out because of their ideology, there lack of honor and ability would be abundantly clear. Any decent interviewer would see this guy coming a mile away.
Besides, I wasn't serious in making this statement. It was meant to be a demonstration of where the kinds discrimination, practiced by you so called proponents of justice of equality, could lead us. I am sure many of you would have no problem refusing to hire right wingers if the tables were reversed, and in every instance where communists have held the power they have done that and more. How many people did Stalin kill? What about Hitler, Moa, Castro, and Ho Chi Min? Don't lecture to me about tolerance, when it is you who supports a system that condones killing those you disagree with.

[I Will Deny You]

[hr]Quote: from Stormin Norman on 12:46 am on July 22, 2002
I am simply stating that when businesses consider who they must hire it would be in their best interest not to hire someone that would be disloyal. Aren't you guys anti-business? Why then, should a business owner even consider someone who calls themself a communist?[hr]If someone were as anti-business as you think communists are, they would not apply for a job in the first place. Did that ever cross your mind?[hr]Quote: from Stormin Norman on 12:46 am on July 22, 2002
The attitudes that many of you have regarding business could be construed as counterproductive and dangerous.[hr]I want to earn enough money to survive. I do not want to earn more money than I deserve. I take jobs that I enjoy and that give me an opportunity to make a difference. As a leftist, I enjoy working hard because it makes me happy to know that I am changing the community for the better. I have never been disloyal to an employer because I never took a job with an employer who wasn't worth my loyalty.[hr]Quote: from Stormin Norman on 12:46 am on July 22, 2002
Someone that believes that their employer is the great white satan might lie, cheat, and steal.[hr]Lately, the business-related lying, cheating and stealing has been done by CEOs. Kenneth Lay is not what I would call a communist. A leftist could make a case that a right-winger would be most likely to lie, cheat and steal because of the greed promoted in right-wing culture. It depends on the situation, and since I know nothing about your business I can only work with the hypothetical. And I am not convinced.[hr]Quote: from Stormin Norman on 12:46 am on July 22, 2002
They could justify such behavior to themselves by reasoning that that is what is being done to them by the very people who give them the means to subsist.[hr]This is illogical. If I believe that the phone company is stealing from me and I believe in revenge, I would steal from the fucking phone company--not you! A person who would do that is an idiot, whether they are a leftist or not. If you plan to discriminate against idiots, don't expect me to stand in your way.[hr]Quote: from Stormin Norman on 12:46 am on July 22, 2002
Have you ever heard of a concept known as gratitude.[hr]I work three low-paying jobs (deli, teacher, dance teacher) because I love food, I owe my existence to my teachers and there is nothing I love more than dance. What is gratitude if it is not devoting my life to the community that gave my life to me? This is leftist mentality. Work for the community that works for you.[hr]Quote: from Stormin Norman on 12:46 am on July 22, 2002
Quite frankly, when someone decides to take a chance with me, by investing the time and resources to train me and put me into one of their limited positions, I am thankful for their trust. As long as the mutual respect between me and my employer exists, and as long as the job is still in my best interest, I will give them 100% of my effort and ability to perform the task that I was hired to do. If niether one the those things holds true anymore, then I will give my resignation without bitter feelings of resentment. Why should anyone expect a raging leftist to abide by this same code of ethics?[hr]You made an important distinction there: raging leftist. What about a rational, even-minded, intelligent lefist? Besides, all raging leftists are a) under the age of 16, which is in most cases the minimum age for being hired, and B) too busy planning their guerilla war to become "slaves for the system". The people that you're talking about really do exist, but they would never apply for a job with you.[hr]Quote: from Stormin Norman on 12:46 am on July 22, 2002
How many of you guys saw "Office Space" and loved it? Probably all of the communists in this forum would side with the workers who conspired to rip off the company. Not to mention the threat of litigation in this continously flammable market. What would stop a liberal from trying to sue the company if they were disillusioned enough to think they had a valid case? Nothing, because they have some notion that the business world owes them something.[hr]Please, do not waste my time and write an entire paragraph that revolves around a comedy from the creator of Beavis and Butthead. I could think of movies (like Wall Street) that show how greed corrupts, blah, blah, blah. Beavis belongs in Chit Chat, not Socialism vs. Capitalism.[hr]Quote: from Stormin Norman on 12:46 am on July 22, 2002
When weighing all of that out, any sensible employer would take the conservative over the liberal. They are less likely to be sued by their employees, and they are less likely to have an employee commit sabotage or some other loathsome crime against the company.[hr]This is not true. A lawsuit is less likely, but I don't see how an employee would be less likely to rip the company off. The only difference is that the "liberal" would rip the company off in the name of the prolateriat and the conservative would rip the company off for his or her own benefit.[hr]Quote: from Stormin Norman on 12:46 am on July 22, 2002
You say that failing to hire communists would limit my pool of applicants. Yes it would. It would limited it to people who care about contracts, property, and ethics. In reality, it wouldn't limit it at all. In my world, communists are few and far between. The communists threat is extremely weak. It is some silly idea of a utopia society clung to by the least among us. You wouldn't necessarily have to weed them out because of their ideology, there lack of honor and ability would be abundantly clear. Any decent interviewer would see this guy coming a mile away.[hr]What a cheap shot. Communists have no honor . . . plenty of people have been ripped off in the business world lately, and none of them have been ripped off by communists. How many workers at WorldCom lost their jobs because of red bastards? Did George W. Bush engage in unethical business practices because of the left? Did Halliburton make a $100 million "oopsie" because of a communist lack of ethics, or a lack of ethics in general?[hr]Quote: from Stormin Norman on 12:46 am on July 22, 2002
Besides, I wasn't serious in making this statement. It was meant to be a demonstration of where the kinds discrimination, practiced by you so called proponents of justice of equality, could lead us. I am sure many of you would have no problem refusing to hire right wingers if the tables were reversed, and in every instance where communists have held the power they have done that and more. How many people did Stalin kill? What about Hitler, Moa, Castro, and Ho Chi Min? Don't lecture to me about tolerance, when it is you who supports a system that condones killing those you disagree with.[hr]I don't support Stalin, and I have probably devoted more time to arguing with Stalinists on this board than you have. My grandfather, a communist, ran from Stalin in fear for his life. But he never once doubted that communism could work if the electoral system was changed. And Hitler, who killed communists, hardly counts as a communist. Give me a break! Do you really think that I support Nazis? That's bullshit and you know it. You can list communists who committed atrocities, that's for sure, but what I've told a million capitalists on this board is that you cannot prove that they committed those atrocities because of communism. And besides, I can list plenty of capitalists who were murderers. Hitler was not a communist and you know it! What about Leopold II? And Pinochet, who replaced a communist when the CIA installed him as a dictator in a coup in which an elected leader was overthrown, killed thousands.

Lindsay

[Stormin Norman]

Of course, I would distinguish between a raging liberal and a democrat. Simply ask them if they like Nader. If the answer is yes, then they are out. No problems there. LOL (in an evil capitalistic tone).

No seriously, I am going to take the applicant who is qualified. Better still, if they are the type of person that I can see eye to eye with, you know, shoot the shit at the bars and knock back a couple of martinis. Maybe I can kill two birds with one stone and find an excellent golf partner and a devoted employee.

The only time that I would discriminate on the basis of sex would include the hiring of my secretary. Sorry, guys need not apply. I am not going to trust the man who applies for a secretary position.

[marxistdisciple]

Lefties would never work for you anyway. Even if they got through the rigourous selection process, they'd quit the job once they knew your true colours. Don't go making remarks you can't back up. Most lefties probably haven't read NAder. Let me tell you something that will scare you. LEfties are everywhere. Someo of them don't even know it yet, they just know they possess opinions of a liberal nature. Some of them are destined to become communists and they haven't yet found their calling. and some of them are already in your midst. Look carefully at your friends and family, do any of them put livlihood before money? If they do they are the evil lefties too, disown them and life a life of hapiness and greed, rolling in your money. Until of course, there is no one left to do those jobs that you think it's the righties eho do.

Who do you think the proletariat are exactly? They are the people that work for the capitalist bougeouis. Some of them aren't lefties, but huge numbers are. If every business leader was as desvcriminate as you (not to mention broke as many laws in their selcetion process) then you would wreck the economy entirely and leave vast numbers unemployed.

Us liberals don't care about business though, so you'd be on your own.

[Stormin Norman]

Allright Lardlad here is the post read it for yourself. Do you see what I am driving at here?

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 4:13 am on July 29, 2002
Allright Lardlad here is the post read it for yourself. Do you see what I am driving at here?

ohok...but why would they curse you are you a heartless corprate conglomarate?

I doubt you are. I have no problem with small buisness remember?

[The Guest]

I wouldn't care if a person carrying a leftist ideology refused to hire me, cause I'd refuse to work for them, as with most other people.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from The Guest on 4:19 am on July 29, 2002
I wouldn't care if a person carrying a leftist ideology refused to hire me, cause I'd refuse to work for them, as with most other people.

thats utter bullshit. I mean come on man. People will have their beliefs stop discriminating against them cuz they don't agree with you.

I'm not gonna refuse to talk to someone because they are a republican.