Ho Chi Minh trail was were he killed innocents.

[R_P_A_S]

There's this guy at my job who is really into politics. He is all about the U.S. elections and all. he's like a liberal democrat. but very anti communist. He always tries to debate with me.. he has a way to do it... no matter how misinformed and wrong he is, is loud, and direct as if he were correct. As he talks he's convincing him self of shit he is just making up. anyways the other day we were at work and something about John McCain being a POW in Vietnam came up. and I said something about the U.S. not being able to take down "my uncle Ho Chi Minh" Well he went nuts!!

"Ho Chi Minh? are you fucking kidding? how can you say that man. thats fucking sick, you think Ho Chi Minh was good? he was a fucking murderer!"

I was like, Uhmmm OK, well I don't know if he was good, depending on what you think is good. But Lets not start pinning murders on people who were in a war were the U.S. also committed many hateful crimes.

"Ho Chi Minh was right up there with Stalin! he used all those people for his fucking capricious project and anyone in opposition was murder on his orders, thats what the Ho Chi Minh trail is.. it went from Vietnam to Cambodia, he was a sick guy I can't believe you would support such people"

I sorta just sat quiet... because honestly he confused me. then i told him: look i think you are confusing Ho Chi Minh with Pol Pot. Im sure Ho Chi Minh did his share of killing and mismanagement of things. but I seriously think you are confusing him with Pol Pot.

Well i never heard of that guy but all i know is that my international affairs teacher who is a retired marine told me about the horrors they uncovered in cambodia and in the Ho Chi Minh trail..

We then had to get back to work and left it at that..

Is he by any chance right about the Ho Chi Minh trail??????

[BIG BROTHER]

as far as I know the ho chi minh trail is the trail that the vietcongs used as a supply line. They even had underground tunnels. By the way the U.S. keept bombing it with napal and other stuff even though there were inocent villigers in the trail.

[The Douche]

Actually it ran from North to South Vietnam, passing through Laos and Cambodia are certain points. But I think it was mostly in Laos. It had nothing to do with murder, it was a supply train.

And if this dude's teacher was in cambodia then he wasn't just a marine, he must've been from a group called MAC-VSOG because cambodia and laos were officialy off limits.

[R_P_A_S]

yeah he did in fact mentioned that marines weren't supposed to be there. I wonder why he thinks the Ho Chi Minh trail was murder.. hmm i seriously think he has him confused with Pol Pot

[thejambo1]

the guy is an ill informed jerk, tell him to do some reading about vietnam, there is plenty of stuff out there. tell him hes an ass and get him onto revleft and people here will educate him!!

[Dean]

There's this guy at my job who is really into politics. He is all about the U.S. elections and all. he's like a liberal democrat. but very anti communist. He always tries to debate with me.. he has a way to do it... no matter how misinformed and wrong he is, is loud, and direct as if he were correct. As he talks he's convincing him self of shit he is just making up. anyways the other day we were at work and something about John McCain being a POW in Vietnam came up. and I said something about the U.S. not being able to take down "my uncle Ho Chi Minh" Well he went nuts!!

"Ho Chi Minh? are you fucking kidding? how can you say that man. thats fucking sick, you think Ho Chi Minh was good? he was a fucking murderer!"

I was like, Uhmmm OK, well I don't know if he was good, depending on what you think is good. But Lets not start pinning murders on people who were in a war were the U.S. also committed many hateful crimes.

"Ho Chi Minh was right up there with Stalin! he used all those people for his fucking capricious project and anyone in opposition was murder on his orders, thats what the Ho Chi Minh trail is.. it went from Vietnam to Cambodia, he was a sick guy I can't believe you would support such people"

I sorta just sat quiet... because honestly he confused me. then i told him: look i think you are confusing Ho Chi Minh with Pol Pot. Im sure Ho Chi Minh did his share of killing and mismanagement of things. but I seriously think you are confusing him with Pol Pot.

Well i never heard of that guy but all i know is that my international affairs teacher who is a retired marine told me about the horrors they uncovered in cambodia and in the Ho Chi Minh trail..

We then had to get back to work and left it at that..

Is he by any chance right about the Ho Chi Minh trail??????

Like others said, it was a supply trail. I am not aware of any significant or systematic purges commited by Minh.

[Awful Reality]

He's a dipshit. Ignore him. Let him think he won.

[Keyser]

Is he by any chance right about the Ho Chi Minh trail??????


No.

His last quote gives it away:



Well i never heard of that guy but all i know is that my international affairs teacher who is a retired marine told me about the horrors they uncovered in cambodia and in the Ho Chi Minh trail.


He is mixing Vietnam and Cambodia up.

The mass murders, killings fields, abolition of cities and modern society and the Year Zero were the work of Pol Pot, not Ho Chi Minh.

Pol Pot's regime was not even socialist, communists or Maoist, as is claimed by the bourgeois press and 'historians'. Ieng Sary, the Khmer Rogue's chief ideologist said that and stated that the regime of Pol Pot was simply 'revolutionary'.

The Ho Chi Minh trail was a huge corridor that stretched for hundereds of miles from what was then North Vietnam through Laos and Cambodia into the South of Vietnam.

The Ho Chi Minh trail was a network of thousands of well dug out and contructed tunnels so that Vietcong fighters and supplies from North Vietnam could get down to the south of Vietnam and supply the Vietcong in their battle with the soldiers of US imperialism and the puppet regime of South Vietnam.

The only people who died because of the Ho Chi Minh trail were US soldiers and the soldiers of the South Vietnamese puppet regime.

Hardly innocent people.

As for his 'source', the 'opinion' of one marine means absolutely nothing.

I am also surprised this alleged marine makes this claim, as even US soldiers and ex-servicemen who fought in Vietnam, never made that claim and knew that the Ho Chi Minh trail was nothing but a well constructed logistical supply route.

Either this 'marine' is a right-wing nutcase who simply told your workmate this to try and paint the bloody rape of Vietnam by US imperialism in a better light, or your workmate simply lied about having a source (the marine) simply to back up his equally stupid and ignorant 'opinion'.

[BIG BROTHER]

even middle class liberal bastards know how fucked up the vietnam war, this guy that you work with is more stubborn than a mule.

[Red Equation]

How could he not know Pol Pot? Don't listen to the crap that comes out of his mouth.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Ho Chi Minh would have won the Vietnamese elections had the American and French not broken their promise. Even Dwight Eisenhower admitted that Minh would have won around 80% of the population.

Ho Chi Minh and the North Korean army/militias were responsible for less deaths than the South and Americans. I guess that makes Johnson and Nixon - Hitler and Mussolini? :lol:

[Hiero]

There's this guy at my job who is really into politics. He is all about the U.S. elections and all. he's like a liberal democrat. but very anti communist. He always tries to debate with me.. he has a way to do it... no matter how misinformed and wrong he is, is loud, and direct as if he were correct. As he talks he's convincing him self of shit he is just making up. anyways the other day we were at work and something about John McCain being a POW in Vietnam came up. and I said something about the U.S. not being able to take down "my uncle Ho Chi Minh" Well he went nuts!!

"Ho Chi Minh? are you fucking kidding? how can you say that man. thats fucking sick, you think Ho Chi Minh was good? he was a fucking murderer!"

I was like, Uhmmm OK, well I don't know if he was good, depending on what you think is good. But Lets not start pinning murders on people who were in a war were the U.S. also committed many hateful crimes.

"Ho Chi Minh was right up there with Stalin! he used all those people for his fucking capricious project and anyone in opposition was murder on his orders, thats what the Ho Chi Minh trail is.. it went from Vietnam to Cambodia, he was a sick guy I can't believe you would support such people"

I sorta just sat quiet... because honestly he confused me. then i told him: look i think you are confusing Ho Chi Minh with Pol Pot. Im sure Ho Chi Minh did his share of killing and mismanagement of things. but I seriously think you are confusing him with Pol Pot.

Well i never heard of that guy but all i know is that my international affairs teacher who is a retired marine told me about the horrors they uncovered in cambodia and in the Ho Chi Minh trail..

We then had to get back to work and left it at that..

Is he by any chance right about the Ho Chi Minh trail??????
It is so hypocritic how liberals in the west deal with communist leaders. They automatically without any reservation jump to the conclusion that they were killers. That all their effort in the communist movement only served to fulfill their genocidal and murderous nature. Yet the liberals, for their own leaders crimes and their own past, such as the genocide of indigenous nations or support for genocide and politcal annihilation in the third world they will always have reservation. They will pussy foot around the issue and give allowances to the oppressor.

Take for instance Stalin and the famine in Ukraine compared to the genocide of indigenous people in Australia. Liberals in Australia will so quickly say "Stalin was evil and engineered a genocide". Then with the indigenous issue, they will give allowance "well they didn't know better, they thought they were doing right, people only did their job". Ironically there is no evidence of a planned genocide in Ukraine, compared to the evidence of attempting to destroy the indiginous population and assimilating them into white society.

I doubt he is confusing Ho Chi Minh with Pol Pot. This is just how liberals deal with history, character assassination of people in relation to events the know very little about. I wouldn't be surprised if he gives allowance to say the massacre at My Lai. He would probally look at the US soldiers as humans following orders. But when it comes to Ho Chi Minh, and the trial, he was just a mechanical monster who breathed death.

I guess to counter this you need to put the human face back on the liberators. Show that Ho Chi Minh worked very hard for his country, and most of the guerrilla fighters were ordinary men and women defending their country from imperialism.

[bezdomni]

Of course Ho Chi Minh had people killed, if you want to count imperialists and their lackeys as people.

[Red October]

Whatver your ideas are on who/how many people the North Vietnamese killed, the Ho Chi Minh trail isn't special in that regard. It was just a very well concealed, efficient supply route which helped the NVA and Viet Cong a lot. I don't see how it has any special relationship to any alleged atrocities.

[Lamanov]

Why the hell, of all things, was Ho Chi Mihn brought into discussion?

[Unicorn]

He is mixing Vietnam and Cambodia up.

The mass murders, killings fields, abolition of cities and modern society and the Year Zero were the work of Pol Pot, not Ho Chi Minh.

Pol Pot's regime was not even socialist, communists or Maoist, as is claimed by the bourgeois press and 'historians'. Ieng Sary, the Khmer Rogue's chief ideologist said that and stated that the regime of Pol Pot was simply 'revolutionary'.
You forgot to mention that Pol Pot was allied with China and fought against the socialist Vietnam in the Cambodian-Vietnamese War. China and the US supported Pol Pot as the legal ruler of Cambodia in the UN while Vietnam and the Soviet Union supported the communist Heng Samrin.

[Colonello Buendia]

as has been said, the HO CHI MIN trail was simply a supply line, sure people died along it but mostly due to a little something we call air strikes. this workmate must be half brain dead or so badly programmed by the state that even their lies are misrepresented. I mean any self respecting American knows that the trail was a supply line even the cookiest of vets. absolutely absurd

[Schrödinger's Cat]

If someone approached me in such a way - not knowing the difference between Ho Chi Minh and Pol Pot - I would have a hearty laugh after educating them on why Eisenhower feared Minh would win 80% of the votes in Vietnam.

[superiority]

Of course Ho Chi Minh had people killed, if you want to count imperialists and their lackeys as people.

That's a big 'if'.