Your Response?

[Orwell Lives]

We are in serious danger of the fascists claiming seats in parliament!

For the last 3 years, the BNP has been growing in support.
Should, by some satanic miracle, they take power, waht will your reponse be? Revolution? Riot? War?

Give me your feedback on how you'd stop the fash.:trotski:

[The Douche]

I have no doubt in my mind that there are a few antifa who are willing to spend the rest of thier lives in prison for sending mailbombs to fascist MPs.

[Holden Caulfield]

well i am active in antifa and due to lack of support and those we can trust we have only been able to poster and graffitti as anti BNP action,

but we are n the process of widening our grouping in the area so maybe the fash will be gettin more abuse from us, if they get into power i would say that i would be fucked as a known communist and antiBNP activist

[Orwell Lives]

Some very positive responses there.:crying:

[Colonello Buendia]

if the BNP gained a majority in the commons we would be persecuted and sent away with all the immigrants, however they would only get me onto a boat in a body bag. if they do win I will certainly riot and fight in the streets however futile it is

[welshboy]

I dunno, I wouldn't mind being 'repatriated' to somewhere with better weather :)

[thejambo1]

antifa seems to be only organised in certain areas with a lot of the country not really represented at all. and i think people would have to take to the streets if the fash ever came into power. no point in talking about it action would have to happen.

[Gitfiddle Jim]

There is no antifa type organisation round here even though the BNP are fast gaining support. It's basically down to individuals like me to protest, and being one of only a handful of leftists in my college, we are very few in number. The general consensus from most people is that I am a "Muzzie-lover" or something of a similar nature.

[Holden Caulfield]

antifa is based far to much in the south of england, in my area there are about 3 'official members' that i work with and numerous more unofficial ones but not in hight enuf numbers to take direct action

[thejambo1]

you should be in scotland, at the moment there is not an official branch in the whole country!! antifa in scotland is reduced to an yahoo group!! which has virtually no activity on it. witness the bnp in glasgow at the moment trying to sell their papers on the street, they must have felt it was prime time to peddle their crap.

[Colonello Buendia]

Antifa are organized in like three places in all of the UK, however in Glasgow we have a large number of regular anti fascists who regularly shout down and kick the BNP out of town.

[welshboy]

There are organized antifa types in Scotland they just don't shout about it. Which you really shouldn't if you're going to be doing anything that is illegal.

[InTheMatterOfBoots]

physical confrontation and community organization. It is the only way forward.

[redSHARP]

If the BNP take power, dont let them put numbers on your arm iwth out a fight! build strenght, work with other groups, and then strike when the BNP are off guard. Destroy their news paper buildings and start your own. Play your selves off as liberals to win over people and not alienate other groups (we can finish them off later), and just try to put up resistance at all costs.

[The Feral Underclass]

I think the likelihood of the BNP taking parliamentary seats in the next election is remote but it is evident that the BNP are garnering more and more support and if the May 1st council elections see significant gains then they are evidently on a clear trajectory to achieve seats in the Commons within the next ten years. Maybe even less.

In order to tackle this anti fascists need to physically confront them on the streets to destroy their confidence and organise in the community to destroy their ideas.

[joe_the_red]

Capitalism, fascism, and imperialism are the same. Therefore, the British Empire already has a fascist regime, and needs to be changed. As always, I will support my comrades internationally, including those that happen to be in the British Empire. -Joe

[Holden Caulfield]

, I will support my comrades internationally, including those that happen to be in the British Empire. -Joe

how big of an somebody who is currently in america to make such a noble statement?!?

[The Feral Underclass]

What would people in this thread be prepared to do in their communities right now?

[Comrade Krell]

What the big deal? Fascists are just like regular bourgeois ideologues except at the far end of the scale, granted their methods of repression in the past against organized labor were far more brutal than other bourgeois political regimes. But on the whole they will have no say in any political matters.

Fascists are nothing but a sideshow these days for the real bourgeois authority, an authority which on the whole mostly resides with so called 'centrist', 'liberal' and 'social-democratic' parties - that is the real enemy.

Those people who are hanging out for another Hitler to rev up your leftist brigades are waiting for nothing, I think it would take a serious decay of capitalism; on part with another Depression, for people to turn to something akin to fascism.

I do however think a strong numbers approach to fascists is appropriate, in most cases fascists are the lumpenproletariat 'street vanguard' of the ruling class.

[The Feral Underclass]

What the big deal? Fascists are just like regular bourgeois ideologues except at the far end of the scale, granted their methods of repression in the past against organized labor were far more brutal than other bourgeois political regimes. But on the whole they will have no say in any political matters.

Fascists are nothing but a sideshow these days for the real bourgeois authority, an authority which on the whole mostly resides with so called 'centrist', 'liberal' and 'social-democratic' parties - that is the real enemy.

Those people who are hanging out for another Hitler to rev up your leftist brigades are waiting for nothing, I think it would take a serious decay of capitalism; on part with another Depression, for people to turn to something akin to fascism.

I do however think a strong numbers approach to fascists is appropriate, in most cases fascists are the lumpenproletariat 'street vanguard' of the ruling class.

The BNP - a fascist party - are making significant gains the British political system.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[ManyAntsDefeatSpiders]

I have never even seen a Nazi or a fascist. And I am active in my community.

General xenophobia is a far greater threat where I live.

Of course, things are quite different in the UK and peace to those comrades who are not afraid to take them head on. :)

[Holden Caulfield]

there is usually an underbelly of fascism in most places if you know who to talk to and who to ask

[redSHARP]

if there are in NYC, they can be anywhere. but in the US, many urban nazis are toning down there signs and look. but look online, usually they have contact info for major groups. if you are really ballzy, try infiltration, but be warned it can get you killed!

[joe_the_red]

I would much appreciate less sarcasm in my statements. You don't realise how hard I've been working to get out of the United States. It is my biggest regret, that I had to be born in this country. There are those fighting to fix the United States problems, good comrades who are working hard, but this nation and its current culture, or anti-culture of money worship, is not mine. And I'm doing everything I can to leave. My wife is in Canada, she's a Canadian citizen, I haven't seen her since December, because we don't have money, this government is not accomodating to allow her to stay with me. We simply don't have the money to both be in the same place at the same time right now... not for long anyhow. But I will be going there in June, and hopefully with the work we've been doing, we'll be able to afford me permanent residence so that I can stay with her, and eventually finally complete my degree, that I might be of further use in this revolution. After being in Canada for a number of years, I'm headed to Ireland to help free the North from the British Empire. I will also be working with Scottish and Welsh freedom movements, and anti-capitalist, anti-fascist English groups. I ask you not to put down my statements because of my unfortunate current situation, as I'm working as hard as I can to change it. When I can immigrate to Ireland, and get my Irish citizenship, I plan on denouncing this U.S. citizenship that completely does not speak of who I am. There is no benefit that can be had of this citizenship that would ever convince me to keep something that doesn't represent me. So I hope that you understand, my current label as a U.S. citizen is not me. And my claims to aid my comrades wherever they are still stands. -Joe

[redSHARP]

i see your point. but i am going to go down with the ship!
"gentleman, it has been a great honor to play with you" cue music

[luxemburg89]

Ha ha ha! War?? Go play Grand Revolutionary elsewhere. We've got to be sensible about this. There is nothing that can be done but fight them on the streets, by which I mean through talking to people, not violence - that will only get us in trouble. They will not stay in power if they do get in - a few MPs can make little national difference anyway. Anyone who gets themselves arrested for harming/killing these morons is stupid, it isn't worth it. The BNP will be limited by public apathy. By all means wage war if you want, but I think it would be a ridiculous move.

[Peacekeeper]

I have never even seen a Nazi or a fascist. And I am active in my community.

General xenophobia is a far greater threat where I live.

Of course, things are quite different in the UK and peace to those comrades who are not afraid to take them head on. :)

There are a lot where I live (Seattle). But they're pretty nice to me. Probably because they don't know I'm a fag. :laugh:

[Lector Malibu]

There are a lot where I live (Seattle). But they're pretty nice to me. Probably because they don't know I'm a fag. :laugh:

Blending in must be nice some of us can't and chose not too.

[Holden Caulfield]

Ha ha ha! War?? Go play Grand Revolutionary elsewhere. We've got to be sensible about this. There is nothing that can be done but fight them on the streets, by which I mean through talking to people, not violence - that will only get us in trouble. They will not stay in power if they do get in - a few MPs can make little national difference anyway. Anyone who gets themselves arrested for harming/killing these morons is stupid, it isn't worth it. The BNP will be limited by public apathy. By all means wage war if you want, but I think it would be a ridiculous move.

dont talk such shit you pacifist, physical comfrontation has proved a key part of the leftist response to fascsim through out history,

for example of how it can work look at the Weimar Germany period of Germany, or Lewisham and Cablestreet

[Hit The North]

dont talk such shit you pacifist, physical comfrontation has proved a key part of the leftist response to fascsim through out history,

for example of how it can work look at the Weimar Germany period of Germany, or Lewisham and Cablestreet

You're right, but these tactics stop short of 'war'. Obviously the key is to mobilize opposition within the working class and get people out on the streets. I'm not going to shed any tears if some anti-fascist sends a BNP councilor a nail-bomb, but it's no substitute for agitating, educating and organizing inside our class.

[Holden Caulfield]

true, but no members of antifa that i have ever encountered have been antifa only activists and so this is one weapon in our arsenal,

the violence is to scare them off the streets, match their physical presance and show that the community will not tolerate fascists, (an injury to one is an injury to all in regards to threats/immitidation to immigrants etc)

no platform for fascists, then parallel to this should be other pro-left work giving an alternative and educating the people, antifascism isnt a substitute and nobody ever suggested it was

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Blending in must be nice some of us can't and chose not too.
You can't hold him at fault for it, if there are a large number around he may be forced to "blend in" in order to ensure his safety. And surely it can't be that "nice" having to hide who you are for fear of being attacked.

[gla22]

When the government troops attacks protesters even if they are incited it helps the cause. Look how menacing those pigs look with their shields and batons beating down on youth. Batista lost U.S weapons support for police brutality, with continued U.S support castro would've been gone.

[Lector Malibu]

You can't hold him at fault for it, if there are a large number around he may be forced to "blend in" in order to ensure his safety. And surely it can't be that "nice" having to hide who you are for fear of being attacked.

I don't hold him at fault, the way he said it made it sound like he was gloating about being a fence walker though.

If I'm wrong in that than so be it but that was my initial impression from his statement.

Also I've said on this board before sometimes it's best not to tip your hand till you know who you are playing with

but I will also say that I found there is no greater strength having the courage just to be who you are.