Intolerance - People who hate the opposition

[Stormin Norman]

Recently, I have been banned from the Politics section of this website. For awhile I was able to slip in under the radar and go undetected. What have they detected? What has caused them to ban me? The only place were I make serious attacks on the merits of socialism or communism is in the forum. Most of the time when I am on this site it is dead. No one to argue with so I go over to the politics section and leave my anticommunism at the door. I use to answer the intriguing questions posed by other members.
I guess it was the irradiated beef post that pissed everyone off. I disagreed with the premise this is wrong and cited ways that it supported energy conservation and helped the poor. I thought these were things that commies cared about. Apparrently, they are adverse to any sort of dissention among there ranks. They only want to hear from people who support the party lines. It makes for a boring bulletin board when you have so many people sitting there and agreeing on every issue. I thought the reason you only allowed capitialists in this forum is because certain idiots would spam the hell out of you with insults. When did I do this and who ever said that I was a right winger?
Are you going to ban me from chit chat like you did that idiot Thine Stalin? I guess there was some truth to what he was saying. A society of clones works well for communists. This way they can promote uniformity of opinion. Am I really so dangerous that I need this cage? You fear me because I speak the truth. This is funny since liberals are suppose to be tolerant of anything and everything, tolerant of everything except reason and sensibility.

P.S. I bet we have a taddle tail in the herd. In a whining tone, "Malte can you ban SN from Politics? He annoys me will every little bit of truth that he speaks. I don't like having to think about my positions it is too hard for someone like me to back up my assertions. He is weakening the cause. Now it is hanging on by a thread. If we let him continue he will be the final nail in the coffin that once was communism, but now only represents a minority of rich kids living under their parents roofs and eating their food."

[marxistdisciple]

Not at all. I welcome well thought out, articulate arguments and I think people like you and CI add to the dicussions in this forum. It would be very dull if there was no one to argue with. :)
And of course personally I don't hate capitalists, I live in a capitalist country, I would have to hate most everyone. I don't understand warmonger capitalists, I usually find they are the ones who are most ready to advocate capitalism (perhaps the two are linked.) But saying that, I don't like warmongers of any kind...cappie or commie. I think some people who think they are socialists aren't really very social. That's the idea in it right? Making sure every person is better off? That's why I always believed in it anyway. So I believe in socialism because I believe in valuing people over inanimate objects (i.e money) I also believe that people should be judged by true measures of their worth and value, social, not just economical. I believe every person should have the right to reach their full potential, without having obsticles like money and lack of education barring their way. I think we have ended up with a very one sided world in which creative thinkers with new ideas are not recognised the way they should be. There are a lot of things I believe. But then I try to base them all on my ideas of justice, equality and freedom. I think when people believe in these things differently, then that affects their political persuation.

There are a lot of things we all have in common, perhaps we should be dicussing the things we don't like in a context to political systems more, instead of what we all do (criticise the other side all the time.)

[Moskitto]

I have a total hate against nazis. I do not regard nazis as human beings. If I were In a nazi meeting with a katana I'd go on a slashing rampage. BTW, that guy who was sent to prison for murdering someone with a katana, why did he go for a lib dem MP not Nick Griffin?

I do not get a feeling of hate against capitalists. And I don't think anyone should be banned from Chit Chat, Chit Chat is supposed to be apolitical.

[Xvall]

Me too moskitto! Unless they're really young, and have a slight excuse for the ignorance, I consider racists at a sub-human level. After all, they probably consider ME at a sub-human level, since I am of no one ethnicity. I wouldn't mind killing Nick either. That Pierce guy who wrote the 'Turner Diaries' could use a bullet to the head as well!

[Ymir]

It makes for a boring bulletin board when you have so many people sitting there and agreeing on every issue.

Malte can you ban SN from Politics? He annoys me will every little bit of truth that he speaks.

If we let him continue he will be the final nail in the coffin that once was communism, but now only represents a minority of rich kids living under their parents roofs and eating their food.

And it makes an annoying bulletin board when there are constant distractions made by individuals that are generally giddy in the fact that they are on the current winning side.

The truth of today is tomorrow's ignorance.

So are you against parents giving care to their own children?

Most people live in a capitalist society without ever knowing what capitalism is. But the few that know what it is and support it still, are the people that disgust me.

[Esperanza]

Cant we all just get along?? If you claim you are socialist and turn around insulting the people who do not share your views, then how can you justify your actions? really, you should think about it. there is a difference between debating and attacking. you have crossed the line

[Nateddi]

this forum was originally created because every other forum would be infiltrated by the right; shifting every topic category into a capitalism vs communism debate.

[Stormin Norman]

When did I ever do that in Politics? I remarked on general news stories and left my politics at the door. I never tried to create an argument or shift the focus of the discussion. I would comment once on the question aked and never return to argue with differing opinions. When did I ever claim to be right wing. If you look at my position on the politic compass you will find that I am less of a right winger than most of you are left wingers. It just goes to show the true nature of the authoritative left and their obvious intolerance for other people's opinions. It is clear that most of you can't even tolerate a centrist like myself.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 9:41 pm on July 21, 2002)


(Edited by Stormin Norman at 2:37 am on July 22, 2002)

[Stormin Norman]

It appears that I can't access the Q/A section either. What the fuck! Someone asked a question about chaos theory. Every answer on the board was inaccurate an erroneous. I would have loved to have answered the question with precision, since someone honestly cared. Excellent way to treat your potential customers. I was seriously considering buying a Che T-shirt, as a joke, of course. Guess I will shop elsewhere. I will have to reconsider my entire christmas shopping. God dammit!

[James]

Che-Lives Community FAQ 1.1

Who can join the Che-lives Community?
This Community is open to all leftists. Right-wingers are not welcome, but tolerated within the "Socialism vs. Capitalism" forum. Right-wing messages will be ignored or deleted in all other forums and the author will be banned. If you are an right-winger or convinced capitalist and can accept this rule, good. If not, fuck off and never come back!

I have no problem with you being a member, etc. I my self have joined right wing boards, and do complain when i get banned. But the fact is, you don't really have any right here. Its not a freedom of speech page, its a left winged community. Malte has been very leanient so far, by not simply deleting all posts made by none leftwingers outside of soc + cap. You have no rights on this board, outside of the soc + cap. So please don't bother complaining. If you don't like it, why not go away?

[Stormin Norman]

Like I said, I am not a right winger. I took the political compass test and scored as a centrist. I know that I have no rights here. Ban me if you please, for I will find somewhere else to post. Your loss. Besides is this not a business? Isn't it funded by the proceeds generated from memorabilia? Piss poor way to treat your customers. Banning them for having opinions about beef hardly seems like a good way to promote your business.

[Sasafrás]

Well, why's he still got Guerrillero underneath his name? I'm just wondering... :biggrin:

~ La Rain

[Stormin Norman]

No! Don't strip me of my title and my stars.

[Sasafrás]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 8:30 am on July 21, 2002
No! Don't strip me of my title and my stars.No, sweetie, you'll always keep the stars. Malte could just change what it says underneath your name. But, from what I gather about you, you don't really need to be messed with about it. Don't seem too bad. I guess you could keep guerrillero.

[marxistdisciple]

There are plenty of places to argue the merits of capitalism. This is a left wing forum, it says so when you sign up. It is a place for left wingers to talk without getting the constant bombardment from "freedom of speech" advocates like yourself. There is an exception in socialism v capitalism, because people will only post in here if they are not afraid of criticism. You obviosuly don't realise how hard it is to hold views you believe are right but everyone around you criticises at every opportunity. You obviously don't understand that beliving in communism, when every ignorant person who knows about your beliefs has something to say about it. This forum is haven for me - for things I can't talk about with my friends, because they will disagree without bothering to find out about my beliefs. I like to educate myself, and I find this forum a valuble place to do it. I am not interested in the people that just come here to criticise without ADDING anything to the debate. There are forums on the internet for many things. It isn't to do with freedom of speech at all, you have the freedom to post on another forum that holds your beliefs....here we are mostly left wingers. I like arguing about things with capitalists, but many members don't. In fact a lot of members stick to other parts of the boards. That is why you are not allowed in them. Because they don't want to hear from you. They have that right on a website run by a left-winger. It's his site, you follow his rules. The internet doesn't follow the american "constitution" and many of the members of this board aren't american. Since many americans don't even keep to their own rules, I wonder why you are getting so wound up about something that is principally unwinnable.

Just give it a rest please, you don't own the site. Go and argue on a capitalist board if you ae really that bothered by it.

[Stormin Norman]

Because I have been judged for my opinions on this board. Not for anything I said in any of the other forums. I never tried to attack other people opinions on those boards. Being someone who is proficient in the sciences, I disagreed with the adversion to irradiated beef. That is what started this thing. I said quit your *****in and do something that will better the world. Is that not a left wing idea anymore? Furthermore, there is no way to accurately classify my politics. Everywhere I go I am met with the same differences of opinion like yourself. You could say that I am somewhat of a controversial character. Right wingers hate me and apparently so do left wingers. Is there no room for centrists in this world. We are the glue that keeps it together. People in the left lane drive too fast and proceed with haste. People in the right are old grannies that should have their licenses revoked. The people in the middle our the smart ones who avoid collisions.

Is it not obvious that I too see the benefit of this forum? Why else would I continue to come back? I genuinely like what you have done aside from your practice of banning people with differing viewpoints. Okay, Thine Stalin and Stalin soldiers I can understand. I have never made racist remarks or acted like a NAZI. My remarks have always been backed with logic and reason. Are you guys logiphobes?

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 2:57 am on July 22, 2002)

[marxistdisciple]

Perahps I was a little harsh in my arguments, I appologise if I was. I do agree with you, this forum is beneficial to both sides, and we both enjoy coming here to debate and argue. To reiterate my point - The idea of the forum is so like minded people can dicuss together. Of course there is room for centreists - possibly otherwise known as moderates, you are probably taking a decent stance, neither one way or the other, and I appreciate that you believe yourself to be that way inclined. I think people judge you on this forum because you are constantly sticking up for capitalist ideas, but then once in awhile you come out with something left wing, or considered left wing. I guess people are just confused on whether you are arguing or agreeing :) I know I was :)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Its OK, norman, stay strong!!!

Oh, thats why I lost my title.

Hey, Malte, could you please assign me the title "Brigadeer General"??? Or mabye "Vice Admiral"

[James]

or maybe "Big Headed"

[I Will Deny You]

Look, Norman, I'm posting in one of your threads just like I promised I would!

The original problem was that there were certain capitalists who would turn every single fucking thread into a socialism vs. capitalism debate, or a discussion of whether Che was good or bad. I think that "caging" should be done on an individual basis. If you can stick to the topic then you should probably be allowed to stay.

I disagreed with you, however, when you said that this board is a business and Malte was being a bad businessman for turning a customer away. Now I'm not sure if you're much of a club-hopper, but have you ever been waiting in line and seen someone who was especially ugly get turned away? According to you, this would be bad business. However, by keeping the ugly people out of the nightclub, the owner is building a reputation that only the best people can get in and no one will get in their way. The same principle is at work here, only it's not being applied in such a shallow way. What's next . . . will the owners of Harvard be called bad businessmen because they don't accept everyone who wants to attend their college, and are therefore missing out on thousands of dollars?

Lindsay

[Stormin Norman]

Good point, but even the club that abuses this practice will eventually piss enough people off to account for a decline in business. Most of the people who operate clubs are complete morons. How else do you explain the constant changing hands of such businesses. They are owned by people who had their wealth handed to them, and don't know the value of good business practicesm or the dollar.

[marxistdisciple]

Yup, almost like norman's hiring practices :)