Egypt Sentences 5 Men for Homosexuality

[Sky]

It is unacceptable to imprison people on the basis of consensual homosexual acts. The Egyptian puppet regime should immediately pardon those convicted of these "crimes".



http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iXdu4OkwI9knpbq8Y8a62pyPeS1wD8VUIJI00
An Egyptian court convicted five men Wednesday on charges of homosexual behavior and sentenced them to three years in prison, officials said.

Defense lawyer, Adel Ramadan, said the judge found the men guilty of the "habitual practice of debauchery" — a term used in the Egyptian legal system to denote consensual homosexual acts.

The convictions were confirmed by a judicial official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to journalists.

Homosexuality is not explicitly referred to in Egypt's legal code, but a wide range of laws covering obscenity, prostitution and debauchery are applied to homosexuals in this conservative country.

The five men were arrested in what human rights groups describe as a crackdown on people with the AIDS virus, using the debauchery charges as a means to prosecute them.

Four of the five men tested HIV-positive after all were forced to undergo blood tests in custody, Human Rights Watch says. The New York-based rights group issued a statement Tuesday signed by more than 100 other organizations around the world condemning the prosecutions.

Ramadan, a lawyer with the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, said the five men were abused and tortured over the past several months to "extract confessions" from them.

In addition to their prison time, the men were sentenced to an additional three years of police supervision, meaning they will have to spend every night at a police station, from 6 p.m. to 6 a.m., the lawyer said.
Ramadan said the four HIV-positive defendants were shocked by their convictions.

"Two of them cried, screamed and shrieked," he said. "The other two, they remained silent, but I saw anger in their eyes for the injustice they have been exposed to."

Ramadan said he appealed the verdict to Egypt's Court of Cassation, the country's highest appellate court.

Dozens of human rights groups have criticized this trial and other similar ones as being driven by ignorance and fear of AIDS. They have warned that the convictions could undermine AIDS prevention in Egypt.

The five convicted Wednesday were among 12 people arrested in a sweep that began in October, when police arrested a man during an altercation with another man on a Cairo street, Human Rights Watch said.

After one of the men said he was HIV-positive, authorities opened investigations into other men whose names or contact information were uncovered in interrogations of the first group of men, Human Rights Watch said.

Egyptian police have denied making any arrests because of a person's HIV condition.

In mid-January, four other HIV-positive men from the group of 12 were sentenced to one-year prison terms on similar charges of debauchery. Three others from the 12 were not prosecuted, Human Rights Watch said.

[Lector Malibu]

Hey Sky

Give it a rest would you please? We all know your homophobic and you post these post these threads whenever your homophobia gets pointed out to you to try and make it look like that's not the case.

[Faux Real]

Hey Sky

Give it a rest would you please? We all know your homophobic and you post these post these threads whenever your homophobia gets pointed out to you to try and make it look like that's not the case.
In your own words:

And your in no position to dictate who can post what. Doesn't matter if you like it or not . He's not spamming the forum or anything .

Have a nice day!

[Lector Malibu]

In your own words:

Entirely different scenario all together.

[Sky]

We all know your homophobic I support full equal rights and legislative protection for homosexuals. I favor the policy towards homosexuals practiced in Cuba. I resent your accusation that I am homophobic.

[Lector Malibu]

I support full equal rights and legislative protection for homosexuals. I favor the policy towards homosexuals practiced in Cuba. I resent your accusation that I am homophobic.

I'm not buying it really. How can you make such insulting statments like the one's below?


I believe that all homosexuals should get a sex change operation financed by the State.

which you then changed to



I fully support sex change operations and believe that the State should finance them for those that want to get one. It would be preferrable if all homosexuals got sex change operations.

Which is still just as bad.

Why should all homosexuals get sex changes?

Do you even know any homosexuals in real life? Do you understand homosexuality?

[Sky]

I'm not buying it really. How can you make such insulting statments like the one's below?
I posted a thread expressing support for such a policy weeks ago.



Why should all homosexuals get sex changes?

While it is not my decision to make whether homosexuals get sex changes, I find that a sex change operation to be the logical path for those that are homosexual. The topic of the relevant thread inquires what one thinks of sex change operations, and I replied that I fully support them.

[Bluetongue]

While it is not my decision to make whether homosexuals get sex changes, I find that a sex change operation to be the logical path for those that are homosexual. The topic of the relevant thread inquires what one thinks of sex change operations, and I replied that I fully support them.

Alan Turing, who basically invented computer science and personally cracked the Nazi codes in WWII, was forced to undergo hormone therapy until he actually grew breasts. Thereafter, he committed suicide.

Homosexuals have NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER to change sex. That desire is part of being transgendered, which is entirely a different thing. Just FYI.

[Lector Malibu]

I posted a thread expressing support for such a policy weeks ago.

and I'm still not buying it



While it is not my decision to make whether homosexuals get sex changes, I find that a sex change operation to be the logical path for those that are homosexual. The topic of the relevant thread inquires what one thinks of sex change operations, and I replied that I fully support them.

I would like you explain to me in detail why you think based on your vast knowledge of homosexuality and the issues that pertain to GLBT people, why I should have to under go sex change surgery because you think it's logical.

Really I'd like to hear it.

[Robert]

If he's homophobic, why is he protesting the sentences?

This place is peopled with more humorless madmen than homophobes.

[Lector Malibu]

If he's homophobic, why is he protesting the sentences?

This place is peopled with more humorless madmen than homophobes.

Have you read his post on the subject?

He's trying to get off restriction.

[Bud Struggle]

This place is peopled with more humorless madmen...

Humor has never been the strong suit of Communists.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40508000/jpg/_40508887_brezhnev_ap_238.jpg

[Lector Malibu]

Humor has never been the strong suit of Communists.

Tom, I beg to differ. You inspire great amounts of uncontrollable laughter from me !

[Bluetongue]

Comrade A: How do we know that Communism is not real science?
Comrade B: I don't know.
Comrade A: If it were real science they would have tested it on dogs first.

[Bud Struggle]

Tom, I beg to differ. You inspire great amounts of uncontrollable laughter from me !

As long as you as laughing at me, not with me. :lol:

[Robert]

He's trying to get off restriction.

In other words, he wants freedom to express himself in your exclusive clubhouse? Don't let him get away with it, comrade!

[Lector Malibu]

In other words, he wants freedom to express himself in your exclusive clubhouse? Don't let him get away with it, comrade!

It has nothing to do with me and I'm not in a clubhouse. There are plenty of other forums he can freely be homophobic and what have you on.

Not here.

[RGacky3]

He's not homophobic, just ignorant. Theres a difference.

[Lector Malibu]

He's not homophobic, just ignorant. Theres a difference.

So that makes it okay? Is that what your saying?

[Robert]

No, it makes it different.

[Lector Malibu]

No, it makes it different.

Has he not been talked to about why he is coming across as homophobic?

If your saying we should turn a blind eye to him because he does not know any better , forget it

Not on my watch

[Killfacer]

Yes! good on you. It is trully your morale imperative to correct those more ignorant than yourself! Not on your watch! never!

[Lector Malibu]

Yes! good on you. It is trully your morale imperative to correct those more ignorant than yourself! Not on your watch! never!


Killerface you are right. I'm such an ignorant closed minded person. As a matter of fact The C.C. has the agreement of every C.C member and non C.C. member that as soon as possible ignorant biased Lector Malibu is to be drawn and quartered in the most barbaric way possible as they are at their utter wits end on how to resolve my ignorance

Don't let the rumors that I am a minority and not heterosexual fool you one bit It's all scuttlebutt . It's actually an elaborate ruse to cover my ignorant agenda at Revleft.

Really though the gig is up now . Everybody knows the real deal with Lector Malibu.

I was actually just speaking up against homophobia and sexism and all those oppressive issues just to try and take the focus off of me.

It's too late though. You realizing what an ignorant person I really am is the final blow.

Won't be much longer now...

[Bud Struggle]

It's too late though. You realizing what an ignorant person I really am is the final blow.

Won't be much longer now...

Now all you just need to do "Pray away the Gay" and you'll be fine. :lol:

[Lector Malibu]

Now all you just need to do "Pray away the Gay" and you'll be fine. :lol:

Tom there is no God. Religion is a political tool to exert control over the people.

[Dean]

I posted a thread expressing support for such a policy weeks ago.


While it is not my decision to make whether homosexuals get sex changes, I find that a sex change operation to be the logical path for those that are homosexual. The topic of the relevant thread inquires what one thinks of sex change operations, and I replied that I fully support them.

Have you ever considered that homosexuals might just like using their parts to engage in homosexual acts?

Plus, if a homosexual couple both undergo sex change, don't you think they'd be missing out on the whole point of being gay/lesbian?

[Bud Struggle]

Tom there is no God. Religion is a political tool to exert control over the people.

I hope you took my comment for that joke that it was. On the other hand I agree that religion is a political tool--just as economics is and politics is. Everything in this world is out there to make you conform to some sort of way of thinking. You can't eacape it. The trick is to take what you are given and then make it into something personal and better--something to enrich the world with. People have certainly taken religion and made the world worse for it, but occasionally someone uses it for good. Same with economics. We've seen millions die from abuses of religion and Communism and Fascism and Capitalism. The systems weren't to blame--people's individual choices were.

In the end though, every person has to decide what they are going to be when they grow up--good or evil. The religion, the Communism, the Capitalism give us avenues to follow, but good or bad is always our own personal choice.

And you're wrong about the God thing--but that's a discussion for another part of the forum. :D

[Lector Malibu]

I hope you took my comment for that joke that it was. On the other hand I agree that religion is a political tool--just as economics is and politics is. Everything in this world is out there to make you conform to some sort of way of thinking. You can't eacape it. The trick is to take what you are given and then make it into something personal and better--something to enrich the world with. People have certainly taken religion and made the world worse for it, but occasionally someone uses it for good. Same with economics. We've seen millions die from abuses of religion and Communism and Fascism and Capitalism. The systems weren't to blame--people's individual choices were.

In the end though, every person has to decide what they are going to be when they grow up--good or evil. The religion, the Communism, the Capitalism give us avenues to follow, but good or bad is always our own personal choice.

And you're wrong about the God thing--but that's a discussion for another part of the forum. :D


Yes I caught the humor in your post Tom. :)

on a side note

I would be willing to bet if you look at the history of religion and did the math, religion has been more responsible for more bloodshed and maiming of human life than any "government" .

Yes people have choices I agree.

[RGacky3]

Has he not been talked to about why he is coming across as homophobic?

If your saying we should turn a blind eye to him because he does not know any better , forget it

Not on my watch

They way to do it, is to explain it to him, explain how he is mistaken, what the real nature of homosexuality is, and then hopefully he'd get it, not to say "HEY HOMOPHOBIC HOMOPHOBIC, BAN HIM, BAN HIM." There is nothing wrong with being ignorant about something, as long as once you learn about it you accept it. Maybe Sky has never met a gay person, and all he knows is what he's been told, thats not homophobia, its just ignorance. No need to get up tight and indignant about it.

[Lector Malibu]

They way to do it, is to explain it to him, explain how he is mistaken, what the real nature of homosexuality is, and then hopefully he'd get it, not to say "HEY HOMOPHOBIC HOMOPHOBIC, BAN HIM, BAN HIM." There is nothing wrong with being ignorant about something, as long as once you learn about it you accept it. Maybe Sky has never met a gay person, and all he knows is what he's been told, thats not homophobia, its just ignorance. No need to get up tight and indignant about it.

RGacky I and others on several threads have tried to engage with Sky in a civil manor. I have asked him reasonable questions on his views on homosexuality. (There are threads right here in the OI that you can read where I have done this.) I've even asked him if he actually knows any homosexuals or understands homosexuality. He never responded to me or anyone else.

I also was not responsible for his restriction either or have I called for his banning as you claim. Yes after making several efforts to talk to him about his views I have come to the conclusion that he is acting in a homophobic manor.

Whether it is out of ignorance on his part or not it's still homophobia. Also I'm not being uptight. I'm just not giving him quarter because I feel he has had an opportunity for awhile now to learn and ask about homosexuality from other members on the board.