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Anonymous
13th July 2002, 23:43
The last time Mike Ruppert issued an emergency economic bulletin was Sept. 9, 2001. Now, the crusading Cassandra writes the situation is much more serious, "At that time a derivatives investment bubble on the verge of implosion, a 900-point drop in the Dow Jones average and a pending liquidity crisis signaled a crash on the order of 1929. Only the attacks of Sept. 11 and massive intervention from the U.S. Treasury and Federal Reserve prevented the collapse. Investors blamed the ensuing market losses on the attacks.

The situation now is much, much worse as more factors combine to suggest that foreign investors and trust in the U.S. economy might soon be a thing of the past."

Reuters, London published a story June 27 based upon an interview with billionaire financier George Soros. The headline read, “Soros Blames Bush Factor for Dollar’s Fall.” George Soros is a man to be reckoned with. He is credited with successfully assaulting the currencies of several nations, including Britain’s pound. He recently participated in the World Economic Forum in New York where he was seated on the dais with the likes of Zbigniew Brzezinski, Hillary Clinton, Shimon Peres and academics from Ivy League colleges. It is more than just a case that when Soros speaks, people listen. The truth is that when Soros speaks, markets move.

His comments were brutal.

”The international financial system is coming apart at the seams. There is a lack of confidence. That’s what I call the ‘Bush factor’ in the economy. There is a liquidity crisis in financial markets, said Soros. “Everybody’s going home. The Swiss banks are going home. The strengthening of the yen clearly shows repatriation.”



Translated, that means that foreign capital is fleeing the United States in the wake of as yet not fully realized accounting scandals that will, according to Fox News on July 6, take an estimated $600 billion in value out of the U.S. stock market this year. One of the many smoke alarms triggered by this is the fact that the U.S. economy needs an estimated $1.5 trillion per year in new foreign investment just to remain solvent.

Reuters quoted Soros as saying that the global economic downturn had “exposed the weaknesses of corporate America and how the U.S. administration runs the international economic system.”

Soros is aware of what FTW and noted economic thinkers like Catherine Austin Fitts, former assistant secretary of housing, and British economist Chris Sanders of Sanders Research have been saying for years: as much as half of the value of the U.S. financial markets is derived from criminal endeavors, whether it is the laundering of drug money or the fraudulent “cooking” of financial statements to boost profits.

PUMP AND DUMP

It’s a simple scheme really. The mafia knows it quite well. By whatever means necessary, drive a stock’s price higher and higher. Make it look like a mover, even if it’s a dog. Cook the books and get suckers to buy in, helping to drive the price even higher. When you think the balloon will pop, call all your buddies and sell your shares. That effectively steals all the money that the suckers put in. When the stock crashes, the suckers who weren’t part of the scheme will take the loss, whether they be individual investors or the New York City police and fire pension fund.

The U.S. stock markets have been pumped to the breaking point, and they are trying very hard to dump right now. Most sober analysts have agreed for a long time that the prices are over-inflated by as much as 50 percent or more; that price/earnings ratios, now averaging more than 30-1, should properly be corrected to about 15-1. That means the Dow should be at 5,000 or lower. We’ll talk about how the meltdown is being temporarily prevented later. It is first necessary to examine the severity of the crisis.

If I mention the “bookkeeping problem” that’s threatening Wall Street right now and asked you how many companies were being investigated for or had announced “overstated earnings,” how many would you say? Six? Eight? Try 17.* Seven of them are energy companies, and this adds another degree of imperative for Congress to force the White House to compel full disclosure from Vice President Cheney’s 2001 energy task force. But he has a problem there too. One of the companies under investigation for fraudulent bookkeeping is Halliburton. Cheney was its CEO until taking office, and the fraudulent accounting occurred while he was the boss.

Did you think that WorldCom was a big one, having illegally claimed $3.8 billion in earnings to boost its share price? On July 5, according to Newsday, the energy giant Reliant Resources “restated” its 1999-2001 earnings by chopping off $7.8 billion in revenue. Just today it was disclosed on CNN that the pharmaceutical giant Merck has overstated its revenues by $14 billion.

At the core of all these accounting problems is a non-transparent form of corporate bookkeeping called “pro forma.” As opposed to the more transparent and rigid practice called GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Practices), pro forma bookkeeping allows for all kinds of manipulations like hiding debt as income, double booking revenues and sneaking drug money onto the bottom line. What has yet to be fully explored by any of the major media is which other major corporations use pro forma bookkeeping. The reason is that all of the major media companies use it too. Also on the pro forma system are GE (NBC), AOL/Time Warner (CNN), Microsoft (MS-NBC), Viacom (CBS), Disney (ABC), IBM, Intel, Cisco Systems, Sun Micro, Tribune (the Chicago Tribune and the L.A. Times), The Washington Post (Newsweek) and the New York Times.

The accounting scandals are starting to nip at the heels of these and other cornerstones of American capital markets. Trading of GM shares was halted June 27 after “unconfirmed market rumors of accounting irregularities.” And New York Times reporter Gretchen Morgenson offered the suggestion in an April 14 story that GE might be cooking its books. Thanks to PBS’s Lowell Bergman in a 2000 report, we already know that GE has been called on the carpet for accepting drug cash, lots of drug cash, as payment for the good things it brings to life. So has Philip-Morris.

How much foreign capital can Wall Street expect to attract, let alone retain if foreign investors expected to be wiped out for leaving their money here? American investors, especially pension funds are still putting money in or leaving it in place in the stock market. Are there other alarm bells that mom and pop investors should be hearing? What will happen to the value of the American brand name as a trustworthy place to invest money if GM is ultimately revealed to have cooked its books?

A look at the real health of the stock market is revealing. On April 26, The International Forecaster made two chilling observations:

³At the time of the AOL Warner merger the combined companies were worth $290 billion. They are presently worth $85 billion. Their quarterly loss is estimated to be $50 billion. This could be the business mistake of the new century:

”The downgrade of Bristol Myers Squibb to Aaa by Moody’s leaves only 8 AAA-rated companies left. They are GE, UPS, AIG, ExxonMobil, Johnson & Johnson Berkshire Hathaway, and Pfizer & Merck. In 1990 there were 27 AAA companies and in 1979 there were 58.”

THE DOLLAR

Soros was extremely upset about what was happening to the U.S. dollar, which has been falling against various currencies for about a month. The key to understanding this lies in the lesson I learned at an economic conference in Moscow in spring 2001. Almost all countries in the world use the U.S. dollar as their reserve currency. They have bought trillions and are holding them. If another currency becomes more valuable or is viewed as more stable, then the world will switch currencies, and trillions of dollars will come back into the country -- inflation would be inevitable and the dollar would lose its value.

In the week ending July 5, the dollar closed consistently at or near parity with the Euro. As of this posting it sits at (U.S.) 99 cents and has been hovering there for more than a week. Since various economic “reforms” from the 1950s to the 1970s removed the dollar from the gold standard it has been a fiat currency, unconnected to any measure of intrinsic value. The full faith and credit of the United States -- along with its military -- have given the dollar its value. The Euro is partially backed by gold and there have been lingering but credible rumors for years that the U.S.’s gold reserves have been moved to Europe.

Soros told Reuters, “But the declines in the markets have gone somewhat further than what would be the natural consequences of the previous exuberance.

”The decline in the dollar came as a surprise to me - I attribute it to lack of confidence in the management of affairs by the United States, its unilateralism, the pursuit of national self-interests and not living up to the responsibility of being the dominant financial power in the world, not taking care of the system.”


What is Soros setting us up for? The pumping of the stock market occurred while Bill Clinton was president. Yet he’s blaming Bush. Is another Herbert Hoover being created before the big crash? The signs are there. Britain’s paper the Independent ran a June 28 story headlined, “WorldCom scandal: Currencies: Latest Wall Street disaster sends investors all over the world running for cover.” The lead read, “The U.S, dollar yesterday moved to the brink of free fall, a nightmare scenario for the world economy, after reverberations from the WorldCom scandal triggered panic among investors.”

That was before the announcements about Reliant and Merck.

The story painted a glum picture. “This is threatening to become a disorderly market,” David Bloom, global economist at HSBC said. “There’s no better way to show loss of confidence in a country than through its currency.”

Quoting another financial expert, the Independent reported, “If the dollar’s decline turns explosive, this could compound the problems of the U.S. asset markets as currency losses raise fears of massive capital flight out of the U.S.”

GOLD

For years the price of gold -- the ultimate smoke alarm signaling a failing economy -- has been artificially suppressed by paper traders who are capable of flooding the commodities markets with gold future options when the price needs to be kept low. Why low? Because rising gold prices have always signaled inflation and/or a lack of faith in the financial markets. Years of efforts by the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee, or GATA, while not being successful at halting or fully exposing the artificial manipulation of gold prices by the Federal Reserve, major banks, the Bank of International Settlements and major commodities traders, have opened the eyes of many to overt manipulations in gold pricing.

As one investment banker told me recently, there is five times more paper gold than there is actual gold out of the ground. If gold prices ever pop they’ll be out of sight.

Over the past year, certainly since 9-11, gold prices have often moved in exactly the opposite direction (lower) from what conditions would dictate. The financial effort required to do this requires the support of powerful state banking institutions and cash to service the paper. Gold has risen in price from around $280 an ounce nine months ago to a high of around $327 in recent weeks. That’s a return on investment of 16 percent -- far better than the Dow has done this year.

In our last economic bulletin FTW noted that the Dow had lost close to 900 points. Since March of this year it had lost, before the profit-seeking 300-point rally of July 5, almost 1,600 points. Yet even as the economic news worsened last week, the price of gold peaked and then started to fall. As of this writing it sits at $312 an ounce. The gold price dropped as the worst economic news was hitting the streets. Why?

As one astute gold watcher, Jay Taylor, summed it up in an October 2000 newsletter, “Every single time there is concern about a stock market debacle, gold is bombed. Always.”

On June 5 GATA described one of the recent moves to “fiddle” with gold prices. ³MiningWeb.com has just reported an explanation for the plunge in the gold price today. The plunge, MiningWeb says, “came in the wake of a large after-market trade in New York last night, with an unnamed fund liquidating 5,000 futures contracts, a move which knocked the price first to $326/oz, then to $324/oz, and finally to $321/oz. The sale was executed using the access system on Comex, which allows for anonymous trading by large funds.”

There are unmistakable signs of market manipulation now with regards to both gold and stocks. Who is it that keeps the markets from correcting, only making the inevitable crash that much worse? It’s called the Plunge Protection Team, or PPT. And now it has to have the liquidity to flood both the gold and the stock markets with enough cash to keep the bubbles from bursting. This, at the same time that major banks like J.P. Morgan/Chase and Citigroup sit atop huge derivatives bubbles that have been estimated at between $150 trillion and $300 trillion. Most major U.S. banks have heavy exposure as a result of the mushrooming financial scandals. All of these bubbles require cash, and this is the liquidity Mr. Soros is rightly worried about.

Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, has been challenging the gold manipulation for years. He has been one of the few fiscally sane voices anywhere on Capitol Hill. His website has a listing of his writings and much needed legislation he has or is sponsoring.

Only recently have there been signs that the PPT is also working in the U.S. equity (stock) markets.

THE PLUNGE PROTECTION TEAM

The Washington Post acknowledged the existence of a select group of four who could and would intervene in markets to prevent massive capital flight and a run on shares that would cause an economic collapse if there weren’t enough cash to pay out during a massive sell off. In his Feb. 23, 1997 story headed “Plunge Protection Team,” Post reporter Brett Fromson identified the Federal Reserve chairman, the Securities and Exchange Commission chairman, the chairman of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, and the secretary of the Treasury as the team’s key players. The intervention of the team in the 1998 crash of Long Term Capital Management, after it became wildly overexposed in the gold market, revealed that private institutions such as Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan, Merrill Lynch and other major banks could be involved as well.

Fromson quoted a former team member as saying, “In a crisis, a lot of deference is paid to the Fed. They are the only ones with any money.” Or, I might add, the ability to print it.

Pointing to the 1987 stock market crash, the single largest crash in history, Fromson observed, “The Fed kept the markets going by flooding the banking system with reserves and stating publicly that it was ready to extend loans to important financial institutions, if needed.”

On April 5, 2000 New York Post reporter John Crudele reported that the stock market had turned back from the abyss. After a 500-point drop that looked like it was leading to a meltdown, someone started buying large amounts of stock index futures contracts through two major brokerage firms -- Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch. Unless the brokers tell, there is no way of knowing which of their clients were making the purchases. Then the market rebounded.”

Calling it the PPT, Crudele both referred to the 1997 Washington Post story and suggested that private banks were acting as team captains.

Gold activist David Guyatt, relying on information obtained from GATA Chairman Bill Murphy, pointed to the PPT in October 2000. “The hand of the Plunge Protection Team (PPT) is clearly visible for the first time. The entire short gold play over the last few years is a technique that has been used to ‘prop up key stocks’ and ‘fund ‘futures’ operations. In the simplest form it works like this. Borrow (at negligible interest rates) someone’s [America’s, Germany’s, Britain’s, Goldman Sachs’] gold and sell it in the market. This gives a handsome pool of near-interest-free dollar cash. Whenever the stock market looks shaky, or key stocks come under pressure, dive in and buy, buy, buy.

”But it is not only necessary to manipulate the stock market to succeed. It is also necessary to manipulate the gold price and keep the price of gold below the price PPT sold the leased gold for. This is a game of double jeopardy. The problem the PPT now have is that there is virtually no more official gold left to borrow,” wrote Guyatt.

The causes of this intervention were a pending NASDAQ crash and the imminent downgrading of IBM and Intel stocks.

And the PPT’s hand has been noted recently from as far away as Australia. Progressive Review Editor Sam Smith recently quoted a story by Richard Bromby of the Australian Financial Review:

”At 2:32 Wednesday [June 26, 2002], New York time, something extraordinary happened at the corner of Wall and Broad streets. The New York Stock Exchange’s Dow Jones industrial index -- struggling since the opening bell after the WorldCom fraud revelations -- threw off its problems. From an intraday low of 8,926.6, the Dow shot skywards to its high of 9,160 at 3:29 PM. Could it be the work of the much talked about, but never seen, Plunge Protection Team? There is a belief that this team represents a powerful and secretive hand that is ready to act at any time the Dow looks ready to tank big-time.

”London’s Observer newspaper last October reported it had information the plunge team was preparing to spend ‘billions of dollars’ to avert a repeat of 1929 and 1987.”

The problem is clear: With a strong dollar the PPT has demonstrated that it has enough cash to suppress gold prices or to save the stock market. It may not have enough cash to do both -- especially if the dollar were to suddenly lose its value. Then, all of the chickens that have been locked out will come home to roost with a vengeance.

As The International Forecaster reported on April 26, “The American consumer has run out of credit and buying power. All bets are off if the housing and credit bubbles break and that’s a distinct possibility. Debtor’s prison is drawing nearer. House and Senate conferences are deciding on a new set of rules for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. If the Plunge Protection Team weren’t manipulating the market with all these scandals, the Dow would already be at 4,500.”

REALIZING THE EXTENT OF THE DESTRUCTION

Not all of the money looted from American taxpayers is going to support the PPT market manipulations. A lot of it is just being stolen.

According to the Standard and Poor’s website, “domestic equity allocation² (stock market) of U.S. pension fund investments was near 50 percent by the end of the 1990s. It has topped 50 percent since then.

Before the 2000 presidential election, candidate George W. Bush promised that he would tap the Social Security Trust Fund only in the event of war, recession or national emergency. On Sept. 11, he was quoted by his budget director, Mitch Daniels, as saying, “Lucky me! I hit the trifecta!”

It’s not a question about stealing a little here and a little there. It’s a question about open, full-scale looting -- but only from the pockets of the American people who, in my opinion, will soon have almost nothing left. Let’s look at the hard numbers of what has been taken and from where. These numbers are by no means exhaustive. It’s just what we know about.

$34 Billion - Social Security in 2001 (USA Today/Washington Post)

$160 Billion - Social Security in 2002 (est.) (House Budget Committee)

$42 Billion - Federal Employees Retirement System (Wall Street Journal 6/13/02)

(to Meet 2002 budget deficits)

$2 Billion - Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund (ibid)

$1,100 Billion - Stolen from the Dept. of Defense -- 1999 (Cong. Record and Insight Magazine)

$2.3 Billion - Stolen from the Dept. of Defense -- 2000 (CBS News)

$59 Billion - Stolen from HUD -- 1999 (Cong. Record)

$600 Billion - Shareholder Equity Lost to Financial Fraud -- 2002 (Fox)

$4,297 Billion * TOTAL


Pending Thefts:

$845 Billion - Social Security (by 2010) (Washington Post citing Cong. Budget Office figures)

An anecdotal story reveals the damage to pension funds. If you think that Social Security will be a safety net, please read the above section again. Of course we all know about the Enron employees who were wiped out. But according to the New York Times on April 3, New York City’s pension system has lost $9 billion in the wake of recent stock scandals. Imagine the impact if local governments declared bankruptcy or defaulted on their pension obligations. It has been estimated that the California state employee retirement system (CALPERS) has more than 90 percent of its money invested in the stock market.

A WORD ABOUT HOUSING

Most Americans believe that their homes are their last, best retirement insurance. Yet many Americans have mortgaged their homes for 120 percent of value. Their loans are backed with the full faith and credit of the U.S. government through various agencies such as Ginnie Mae, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Housing Authority.

The International Forecaster has predicted that “40 percent of Fannie and Freddie’s loans are going to come back and haunt them. We envision an S&L type bailout of $2.4 trillion down the road. This will be the biggest financial disaster in history.”

The full faith and credit of the U.S. government lie behind these home loans. If the homeowners go broke in an economic crash, they default. If the U.S. government goes broke -- before or after that point -- it defaults, and the holders of U.S. debt ultimately have the right (especially under WTO and globalization) to foreclose on the collateral -- your home loans. In the worst case scenario most of the United States could legally be owned by all of the countries holding U.S. debt -- better described as T-Bills, or U.S. gold, or U.S. stocks.

CONCLUSION

The Great Depression was not an event that wiped out U.S. capitalists. It was an event that made the rich even richer by transferring the wealth of the people into the hands of the wealthy. Legendary is Bank of America’s rise to affluence through real estate foreclosures from 1929-37. Don’t believe for a minute that the richest of the rich will be hurt by the coming collapse. The only ones hurt will be you and me.

George Soros is a member of the Bilderberger Group, a collection of the wealthiest individuals on the planet. It includes, from the U.S., both Democrats and Republicans, and from Europe and Asia the richest ’old’ money that can be found. U.S. participants in this year’s conference included David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, former Treasury Secretary Larry Summer, former CIA Director John Deutch and George Soros. It was just after this year’s meeting which ended in early June, that all of the revelations about corporate fraud started to really hit the news. One wonders if it had been on the agenda.

I also note sadly a recent financial report from the Denver area stating that mortgage foreclosures were going through the roof. This, at the same time that Reuters (July 2, 2002) reported that corporate layoff announcements had risen by 12% in one month. In this context Bush’s tax cuts seem worse than bad judgment. As former Ass’t Secretary of Housing Catherine Fitts pointed out to me in a last minute e-mail, “By 2010, when (and if) the Bush tax reductions are fully in place, an astonishing 52 per cent of the total tax cuts will go to the richest one percent. Put another way, of the estimated $234 billion in tax cuts scheduled for the year 2010, $121 billion will go to just 1.4 million taxpayers.”

Unless you can convince me that gravity might suddenly reverse direction, this collapse is inevitable and imminent. It will be unspeakably brutal. How long do we have? Maybe weeks. Maybe months. Maybe only days. But the house of cards is already starting to collapse all around us. A major terrorist attack, the folly of an invasion of Iraq or a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan would only be a momentary diversion from a much greater tragedy.

Ian
14th July 2002, 08:28
Come on markets.....collapse.....

Stormin Norman
14th July 2002, 08:58
Ian Rocks,

You are an idiot and probably would not survive two days in the ensuing chaos, which would result from such an financial collapse. In the event of such a tragedy, I hope to see you lying in the gutter.

Anonymous
14th July 2002, 18:36
Stormin Norman: actually he would survive! If he lived in Europe! see US doesnt control anymore Europe! so if USA market collapse European Market would prevail! Thats the objective of EU!

Stormin Norman
15th July 2002, 00:50
The ramifications of the U.S. system collapsing would carry over to all of the various world markets. I doubt the EU would be better off after sych an event.

Anonymous
15th July 2002, 02:24
If that collapse ocurred tody maby the EU market would collapse, but in a few years it would have not such a impacto soo!

Ernest Everhard
15th July 2002, 05:19
wow, you people know absolutely nothing about economics. If the US market collapsed it would destroy the European system as well as any other. A large devaluation in the value of the dollar would make US goods cheaper on the international market thereby crushing manufactures overseas. Also as the largest creditor nation a US market collapse would force americans to call back loans thereby destroying every single financial market, except, perhaps n.Korea. In any case I can't see how you would want an event that would throw billions of people into misery. It says a lot about your ideological motivations that you would see suffering as an opportunity.

Red Revolution
15th July 2002, 22:05
One of the many acts set forward by the EU during the setting up of the Euro ensures a way of freezing the economies of all Euro members as writen into each of their constitutions. Thus an american collase would only do damage from the collapse until the act was put into action. However Britain and other non members of the single currency would suffer.

Genwes
15th July 2002, 22:33
well unfortunately economies don't heed the desires or rulers or parliments, that 'freeze' of the economy would do nothing but create more misery. If the EU, in case of a collapse, froze the value of the Euro, prices would not adjust, the ensuing confusion would exacerbate the impact of an economic collapse.

Capitalist Imperial
16th July 2002, 00:01
Quote: from the anarchist on 6:36 pm on July 14, 2002
Stormin Norman: actually he would survive! If he lived in Europe! see US doesnt control anymore Europe! so if USA market collapse European Market would prevail! Thats the objective of EU!


LOL, you know nothing about economics.

The EU in no way alleviates europe's economic ties to the US, it merely consolidates the source.

Anonymous
16th July 2002, 14:57
CI: well you are right i know nothing about economics, but one thing i can assure you Europe is no longer an american puppet, when your president started that illegitimal war , only England suported you, bether only the English President suported you! Even portugal was against america!!!! see your empire is fading away! and the old continent is gainig power! the Euro is begining to grow and yuor dollar is going down! acept it! America is going to be history!

Guest
16th July 2002, 17:50
haha, europeans can say all they want about america, sad fact, for you, is that america's nato partners were more than eager to take up their military responsibilities in afghanistan.

Anonymous
16th July 2002, 18:19
correction: not american nato parteners! England to be more precise!

Capitalist Imperial
16th July 2002, 19:12
Quote: from the anarchist on 2:57 pm on July 16, 2002
CI: well you are right i know nothing about economics, but one thing i can assure you Europe is no longer an american puppet, when your president started that illegitimal war , only England suported you, bether only the English President suported you! Even portugal was against america!!!! see your empire is fading away! and the old continent is gainig power! the Euro is begining to grow and yuor dollar is going down! acept it! America is going to be history!


LOL, ok, dude, keep telling yourself that.

You know, they said the same thing about Japan in the 80's.

BTW, if you think executing a concerted response to having your nation deliberately attacked, your economic epicenter destroyed, and 3000+ innocent civilians killed is "illegitimate", then I don't know what would be "legitimate" action to you.

Capitalist Imperial
16th July 2002, 19:15
Quote: from the anarchist on 6:19 pm on July 16, 2002
correction: not american nato parteners! England to be more precise!


There are troops from canada and australia too. Japan has contributed ships for logistics, and many european nations are assisting with terror investigations and preventing further attacks.

Hattori Hanzo
16th July 2002, 19:33
ci is right about the economics part

Anonymous
17th July 2002, 02:34
I just have one question! if america is soo powerful why do you SICK BASTERDS need so many allys to bombard some poor shepherds? weird uh? And CI get reall! did the Afghanistanese shepherds that never leaved their villages had anything to do with the 11/september? your Gov. puted talibans in power now they want to take them out of power to put the north allience in power! the same north allience that didnt defend theyr country when the soviets attacked they country! the same north allience that is even more cruel & fanatic that talibans? Grow up men! and Wake up!

Guest
19th July 2002, 00:15
Somehow, you know even less about history and international politics than you do about economics.

"if america is soo powerful why do you SICK BASTERDS need so many allys to bombard some poor shepherds? weird uh?"

First of all, I thought that, according to you, we didn't have any allies except for Britain. But that's neither here nor there. Let's get one thing straight. The United States didn't need allies to trounce the Taliban. But the Administration took a great deal of time and effort to get other nations involved in a coalitional effort, in large part so that soft-boiled European whiners like yourself wouldn't cry about how America runs off and does everything by itself without asking any EU nations. Also, the US, as Capitalist Imperial pointed out, benefit greatly from the cooperation of other governments in monitoring and arresting terrorists that operate within the black hole of law enforcement known as "Europe." Do you really doubt the unilateral military capabilities of the United States?

"And CI get reall! did the Afghanistanese shepherds that never leaved their villages had anything to do with the 11/september?"

"Afghanistanese?" Anyway, the answer to your question is no, Afghan shepherds that never left their villages had nothing to do with the terrorist attack on America in September. And those shepherds right now are recieving foreign humanitarian aid and supplies literally by the truckload. The people who participated in training, concealing, or transporting terrorists, on the other hand, had a lot to do with September 11th. Many of those people and their associates are also the chief reason why the shepherds need all that aid right now. And many of them are currently residing in Guantanamo Bay or similar facilities (i.e. Hell).

"your Gov. puted talibans in power now they want to take them out of power to put the north allience in power!"

Where the hell do you get your information from? The Taliban was largely the pet of the Pakistanis, and they were not "installed" or placed into power in any such dramatic fashion. Rather, most of what constituted the "Taliban regime" were defects from the old power structure who bribed or cheated their way up the political ladder with the help of Pakistan. Which is why they defected like madmen starting on September 12th.

"the same north allience that didnt defend theyr country when the soviets attacked they country!"

This is getting dumber and dumber. Many of those who fought for the Northern Alliance in the recent conflict were the same mujahideen who fended off Soviet invasion time and time again. Who do you think that was shooting down Red choppers with Stinger missles? The Taliban, who didn't exist until 1997? Where the hell are you getting this stuff from?

"the same north allience that is even more cruel & fanatic that talibans?"

Who told you that? Or is this just another ignorant, unsubstantiated statement? Seriously, man, you should stop talking about things that you don't know anything about. Which would probably relegate you to talking only about Rage Against the Machine and masturbation, at least until you picked up a book or two.

Capitalist Imperial
19th July 2002, 01:02
Good post, guest, great post, you should register and then jump on the team for the big win!!!

peaccenicked
19th July 2002, 06:04
John Pilger on Washington’s war crimes
"This gang in Washington is out of control"

December 7, 2001 | Pages 6 and 7

"GEORGE BUSH is the president," CBS anchor Dan Rather said shortly after the September 11 attacks. "Wherever he wants me to line up, just tell me where."

Little did we know. Since September 11, the U.S. mainstream media has been saturated with pro-war propaganda straight out of the Pentagon and the State Department.

Not a hint of an antiwar opposition has been allowed to leak in, even on editorial pages. Opponents of the war who want to know the facts have had to search for alternatives--often in the media of other countries, via the Internet.

One journalist who has stood out is JOHN PILGER, whose articles in Britain’s Mirror newspaper and New Statesman magazine have dismantled the U.S. case for war.

Pilger is a veteran antiwar correspondent who, during the past three decades, has reported from the scenes of one U.S. war crime after another--in Vietnam and Southeast Asia, to the frontline states attacked by apartheid South Africa, to Palestine and Iraq in the Middle East.

Pilger talked to ALAN MAASS about the reality behind Washington’s war rhetoric--and how opponents of the slaughter can resist.

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THE BUSH administration and its allies claim that they’re waging a "war against terrorism." What’s your response?

IT’S JUST crude propaganda. The former Pakistani prime minister has disclosed that he was told by U.S. officials in July that there was going to be an attack on Afghanistan in October.

There’s now plenty of evidence to suggest that there was going to be an attack on Afghanistan. The September 11 events have simply been a trigger to what would have happened anyway.

And that’s the tragedy of September 11. Apart from the terrible loss of life, it has been a provocation to probably the most rapacious bunch of terrorists in my lifetime to go ahead and pursue their project--and I’m talking about the present gang in Washington.

I think it’s right to call them a gang. I don’t usually like that kind of rhetoric, but they’re a gang. They’re a gang straight out of the oil industry, with all its connections with imperialism, going right back to the Ottoman Empire.

They’re a gang that has thrown up very primitive people like Donald Rumsfeld, the defense secretary who wants to kill prisoners of war. They’re a gang whose hypocrisy has at least been illuminated by events. Here’s Dick Cheney, who was an adviser to Central Asian republics on running a pipeline through Afghanistan, and George Bush Sr., who was a consultant with the Carlyle Group.

This is a gang who has been handed a really extraordinary opportunity to pursue the most extreme ambitions of the United States, with very few constraints on them.

SUPPORTERS IN the U.S. of the war--including a number of liberal figures--are crowing now that "the bombing worked."

IT DID work. It killed a lot of people. Bombing usually does work. It’s meant to kill people and maim people and devastate countries and communities, and it works. I’ve seen it work in a number places. I saw it work in Indochina. In Cambodia, it killed about 600,000 people. The kind of long-stick bombing that the B-52s were doing in Afghanistan works very well.

I don’t think there’s any doubt that Afghanistan would be subjugated by the bombing. How could it not be? Although it’s not proving quite as smooth as they would have hoped.

As for the so-called liberal commentary on the bombing, in my lifetime and during my career as a war correspondent, I’ve known no basic difference between the views of those proclaiming themselves liberals and those proclaiming themselves conservatives. In fact, I think you’re more likely to get the truth--or at least a degree of honesty--from conservatives that you don’t get from liberals.

It’s a kind of liberal thinking that wants it both ways. They’d like to drop bombs on people, but they don’t want anyone hurt.

Steve Biko used to talk about liberals very well. I wish I could quote him directly, but he used to describe how the liberal view of South Africa during the apartheid period saw--beyond the atrocities being committed by the so-called conservatives--only a benign landscape of liberal opportunities.

We’ve surely reached the stage where we don’t have to put up with this nonsense any more. There’s one central truth that is neither liberal nor conservative nor anything really. It’s just right and humane. And that’s that there was no justification for the killing of innocent people in New York, and there is no justification for the killing of innocent people anywhere.

The attack on Afghanistan is entirely racist because it’s saying that only the deaths of one set of civilians are abhorrent. The deaths of other civilians are acceptable. That’s the double standard that we’ve had to take as long as I can remember.

And I don’t think that people are taking it anymore. I think that throughout the world--though it may not look like this in the United States--the double standard is now being exposed.

HOW DOES the war on Afghanistan fit in with the record of U.S. imperialism that you’ve been reporting on for the last three decades?

IT FITS perfectly. It’s just the latest example. But this war has a greater significance in that it now carries a kind of justification for imperialism that has clearly swayed a large number of people in the United States to go along with it--because of what happened on September 11.

For the United States, there’s been a search for a kind of justification to replace the Cold War against Russia. First, we had the war against drugs, and they went off and kidnapped Noriega. And they’ve had a number of other demons in the world. But now the Cold War syndrome has finally been put to rest, and you now have the Terrorism syndrome.

If you look back, though, the historical record is clear ever since the United States took over from Britain as the major Western imperial power--the undermining of governments, the overthrowing of governments, support for tyrannies, the assassinations. We’d be here all night describing them, from the original act of terrorism, which was the dropping of the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to single, horrific events, like the shooting down of an Iranian passenger airliner, to the support for the apartheid regime in South Africa and especially its attack on its neighbors, which killed about a million and a half people.

There’s no hiding it. It’s in the public domain, and it’s about people making the connections. And the public media--in the United States, above all--has been devoted to ensuring that those connections are not made. The minimizing of culpability has been a project. It’s almost an act of faith.

And that’s been the problem, because most people don’t have time to go down to the library or look it up on the Net, so they do depend on the mass media. And this has been the achievement of the mass media--to blur the connections between all these events.

Even the word "imperialism" has been relegated to a sort of agit-prop word. You’re not meant to say it, or you end up being seen as some sort of Marxist agitator.

The danger is what this gang in Washington will do. And as we speak, I think they’re on the verge of maybe attacking Iraq, which would just be horrific. I can tell you, having been to Iraq, that the suffering this would cause will just be epic.

They’re dangerous, and they’re out of control.

WHAT DO you think opponents of the war can do to organize resistance?

I THINK the first step is making people aware. That’s now critical--making people aware of just the sheer absurdity of what they’re doing. A number of the loved ones of those who died in the Twin Towers have spoken out very courageously against Bush. They’ve really spoken sense.

I think that what can be done is to appeal to people’s sense of humanity--and give them the opportunity to reject the connection between the atrocity done in New York and repeating that atrocity elsewhere in the world.

That’s difficult, because the government has promoted a whole revenge campaign. But it always astonishes me that people emerge from a kind of avalanche of propaganda over an issue that the establishment wants to promote, and they still have a questioning intelligence.

I think it’s significant that in most of the world, according to Gallup International, public opinion is, and has been, against the attack on Afghanistan. I’m pretty confident that, as this campaign of accelerating U.S. hegemony in the world goes on, people will speak out.

That doesn’t appear to be the case in the U.S. at the moment. But I think there’s a large body of people that’s questioning all this, but is afraid to do so publicly.

I think encouraging those people to speak out--breaking the silence--is the urgent task right now.

Who are the real terrorists?
from a column by Pilger in the New Statesman.

[W]HEN the Taliban came to power in 1996, not only were they welcomed by Washington, their leaders were flown to Texas, then governed by George W. Bush, and entertained by executives of the Unocal oil company…

The Taliban [have now] duly moved to the top of the media’s league table of demons, where the normal exemptions apply.

For example, Vladimir Putin’s regime in Moscow, the killers of at least 20,000 people in Chechnya, is exempt. Last week, Putin was entertained by his new "close friend," George W. Bush, at Bush’s Texas ranch.

Bush and [British Prime Minister Tony] Blair are permanently exempt--even though more Iraqi children die every month, mostly as a result of the Anglo-American embargo, than the total number of dead in the Twin Towers, a truth that is not allowed to enter public consciousness.

The killing of Iraqi infants, like the killing of Chechens, like the killing of Afghan civilians, is rated less morally abhorrent than the killing of Americans.

BatistaNationalista
19th July 2002, 06:07
ah more bullshit commie propaganda!!

there is not going to be a fucking depression, we haven't had any econmic troubles since wwII; your fucking marxist logic has been proven wrong, so just quit with your conspiracy theories and go find a job.

peaccenicked
19th July 2002, 06:13
http://www.petitiononline.com/lilpro/

GuerillaPurserTwo
19th July 2002, 11:49
BatistaNationalista, where was your famous Batista when Che + Castro broke through, ay. + also, one of communism is for every1 to have a job, and most of us here do.