Revolution in Iraq - Why not?

[Red Revolution]

I don't see why the people of Iraq haven't rose up and toppled their oppresors - I know that they would have a hard job but that doesn't explain why a major coup has not occured

[Napalm Dust]

I don't know why this hasn't happened. But I do agree with you that it is the most likely circumstance for an uprising to occur.
Who knows?

[Capitalist Imperial]

They are being patient and waiting for the US, because they know that the US is about to step up and topple Saddams regime.

[Vladimir]

The Kurds tried on numerous occasions with help to start the uprising against Saddam but failed to help them finish it resulting in the slaughter of many many Kurds, this was done 3 times where the US kept pulling out, not finishing it through, again resulting in Kurdish deaths.
Finally the Kurds were smart enough to not accept 'american help'.

IrishGuevara

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IrishGuevara32 on 4:45 pm on July 20, 2002
The Kurds tried on numerous occasions with help to start the uprising against Saddam but failed to help them finish it resulting in the slaughter of many many Kurds, this was done 3 times where the US kept pulling out, not finishing it through, again resulting in Kurdish deaths.
Finally the Kurds were smart enough to not accept 'american help'.

IrishGuevara

What? The US never committed to helping the kurds, and we have never pulled out of Iraq with anything less than total victory (ie desert storm).

The kurds just tried to go it alone, and could not execute.

[Vladimir]

Ahh, fuck sake CI.
Here , they are trying to help them at the moment aswell but they simpy duringdont give a shit. They 'helped' them during desert storm too.

Here........
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/mid...000/1703442.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1703000/1703442.stm)

And ye certinaly won if yer aims were to steal loads of oil, leave a stalinist tyrant there for another 11 years, be the cause of thousands of kurd deaths.......lol

[Vladimir]

Also CI, the helicopter targeting in the war was shit and caused many american deaths. Come on, you must know this...... :)

''According to the Department of Defense, twenty-four percent of the 146 American battle deaths during Operation Desert Storm were by "friendly fire." A further fifteen percent of the 480 wounded were by our own troops.'' - Department Of Defence

[Vladimir]

http://www.desert-storm.com/War/

Here found this too, this is an ally site, its not like its communist propaganda......lol

[Red Revolution]

Haha well done IG
Hear that CI "american friendly fire", what a load of untrained trigger happy kids / crappy scientists who don't test their weapons.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Red Revolution on 9:01 pm on July 20, 2002
Haha well done IG
Hear that CI "american friendly fire", what a load of untrained trigger happy kids / crappy scientists who don't test their weapons.

The only reason there are so many instances of US friendly fire is because we are conducting most of the world's benevolent interdiction operations. Our incidents are put under a microscope.

If other nations conducted as much military activity as we did, their friendly fire rates would be even higher.

and friendly fire has little to do with the accuracy of weapons systems. U.S. weapons systems themselves are 2nd to none and lethaly reliable and accurate. Friendly fire almost always is the result of bad information and intelligence, or bad decision making.

[Vladimir]

'' Friendly fire almost always is the result of bad information and intelligence, or bad decision making.''

Yeah, all these are Americans who are stationed at a base or sumthin, its still there fault.

[Stormin Norman]

When the casualty rating is extremely low it is easy to exaggerate the actual weight of friendly fire casualties. Kind of makes one wonder how many casualties in a large battle, where the death toll is high, are caused by people killing their own forces. When the battlefield lights up it is easy to confuse your surroundings and act out of pure adrenalin.

[Capitalist Imperial]

IG, I read your articles, and I understand that the US is talking to kurds now, as the whole world knows we are soon going back int iraq, but you suggested that we somehow tried to help the kurds in the past with military interdiction (besides their incidental benefiting in desert storm).

That is what I was refuting

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IrishGuevara32 on 5:31 pm on July 20, 2002
http://www.desert-storm.com/War/

Here found this too, this is an ally site, its not like its communist propaganda......lol


THis sight does not surprise me.

Like SN said, when your own military is so effective as to have such a low enemy-inflicted casualty rate, then of course frienly fire % willl register high.