What is your position on sex change?

[spartan]

So yeah what is your position on sex change?

Personally i have nothing against it as i am for personal autonomy for all people, though i would like to hear from leftists who are opposed to it and how they justify this opposition to sex change?

[Jazzratt]

What's the point in this? Of course people can have fucking sex changes, they don't the approval of a cabal of straight cisgendered ****s before they start and if said ****s want to step in I'd support people kicking the shit out of them.

[Devrim]

What is your position on people eating chocolate?
Personally, I don't think it is any of my business.
Devrim

[guevara2093]

It is okay, as long as they tell the people they are dating what their gender was when they were born. People have a right to know before the establish a relationship.

[jaffe]

What is your people on people eating chocolate?
Personally, I don't think it is any of my business.
Devrim
+1

[spartan]

What's the point in this?

Read the post:


Personally i have nothing against it as i am for personal autonomy for all people, though i would like to hear from leftists who are opposed to it and how they justify this opposition to sex change?

I want to know how leftists who are against sex change can justify this opposition to themselves and others as it is restricting people's personal autonomy (Which is surely an un-leftist position to take?).

[Pirate Utopian]

To quote Jimi Hendrix "I dont care, oh baby I dont care!".

[non-vio-resist]

So yeah what is your position on sex change?

sounds painful!


Personally i have nothing against it as i am for personal autonomy for all people, though i would like to hear from leftists who are opposed to it and how they justify this opposition to sex change?

I don't really think you could be a 21st century leftist and have a problem with someone getting a sex change or anyone who defies gender/sexual norms, which are only social constructs that usually stem from organized religious beliefs. Perhaps some of the duped left conspiracy nuts who are actually de facto right-Libertarians and don't know it will be against it, but I don't see how a socialist, anarchist, communist, etc. could be against sex change. It would be like a pro-capitalist leftist; it would be an oxy-moron.

[careyprice31]

in my class last semester there was a young man who was born a female. He was given the name Stephanie but he said now he wanted to be called Steve. i said ok and i asked him if he was going to have the operation. He said he'd like to but it costs alot of money.

You know it makes me wonder about the existence of a soul or something. If the body is female but the soul is male, then its not physical characteristics that make you male or female. It must be something else.

while this subject of people born one gender but are another one, what do you think on this.

[Sentinel]

So yeah what is your position on sex change?

That it is to be provided by the society, free on demand, that transexuals are to be supported in every way, and that those who discriminate against transexuals should be punished.


i would like to hear from leftists who are opposed to it

Then you made this in the wrong place. Such 'leftists' should be restricted. Moved to OI.

[Luís Henrique]

in my class last semester there was a young man who was born a female. He was given the name Stephanie but he said now he wanted to be called Steve. i said ok and i asked him if he was going to have the operation. He said he'd like to but it costs alot of money.

You know it makes me wonder about the existence of a soul or something. If the body is female but the soul is male, then its not physical characteristics that make you male or female. It must be something else.

while this subject of people born one gender but are another one, what do you think on this.

You hit two important points here. First, it is of course the ideal that it should be provided free for anyone interested (with the appropriate psychological support included); but what if society is still struggling with giving people adequate medical care against letal conditions such as cancer or HIV?

(and of course, if "cisgendered" people are going to pay for sex change surgery, unhappily, we will have a stake in the issue.)

Second, what exactly means to be a man in a woman's body, or the other way round? Do we believe in a soul independent from a material body? How does that belief, or lack thereof, affect our comprehension of transexuality?

Luís Henrique

[RHIZOMES]

I am 100% in support of anyone being able to get a sex change, free on demand. A lot of people just do not feel right with the gender they were born with and it can cause severe depression if not treated.


in my class last semester there was a young man who was born a female. He was given the name Stephanie but he said now he wanted to be called Steve. i said ok and i asked him if he was going to have the operation. He said he'd like to but it costs alot of money.

You know it makes me wonder about the existence of a soul or something. If the body is female but the soul is male, then its not physical characteristics that make you male or female. It must be something else.

while this subject of people born one gender but are another one, what do you think on this.

I think it has to do more with chemicals in the brain than a "soul". :P

[Luís Henrique]

I think it has to do more with chemicals in the brain than a "soul". :P

In this case, suppose that taking some medicine would suppress the urge for sex change, making the person comfortable with his/her biological sex (with no side effects, that is). Would you support sex change surgery over such treatment, or such treatment over sex change surgery? Why?

Luís Henrique

[Demogorgon]

In this case, suppose that taking some medicine would suppress the urge for sex change, making the person comfortable with his/her biological sex (with no side effects, that is). Would you support sex change surgery over such treatment, or such treatment over sex change surgery? Why?

Luís Henrique
I think there would be general discomfort at the use of what would essentially amount to mind altering drugs.

At any rate I don't think the claim that being transgendered is about chemical balance is technically true. Brain Scans show that men and women have slightly differently shaped brains. Some nodes are a bit different depending on gender and so on.

When the brain of a transgendered person is scanned, their brain shows itself to be reflective of that of their actual gender, rather than their birth gender. Essentially, being transgendered is not about wishing to change gender, but rather having been born with the wrong sexual organs.

It is reasonable under the circumstances to presume that it is correct to fix what is essentially a bodily defect. As for prioritising it when resources could go to immediately life threatening illnesses. Well in countries with Universal healthcare it is standard practice to give priority to patients with the biggest immediate need. When I went to casualty with an injured ankle, I had to accept that the people coming in with heart attacks and knife injuries needed to be seen by the Doctors before me, even though I was there first. The same principle also applies here. Transgendered people obviously go on the waiting list.

That being said Sex-Re-Assignment is not quite as resource heavy as people think. "The Op" is really a myth, there are actually a series of operations. However the main part of the treatment is actually hormonal therapy, which is not particularly resource heavy.

[RHIZOMES]

In this case, suppose that taking some medicine would suppress the urge for sex change, making the person comfortable with his/her biological sex (with no side effects, that is). Would you support sex change surgery over such treatment, or such treatment over sex change surgery? Why?

Luís Henrique

Hmm I could've worded what I said better. Demogorgon worded it much better than me. I do not think it being chemicals in the brain means it's a "disability" to be "cured" by medication. Being straight, gay or bi is just chemicals in the brain too. Having consciousness is just chemicals in the brain. All I was saying is just because they feel like a woman/man when they are not, doesn't mean a soul exists. I do not think you could cure it anymore than you could cure any other completely normal sexual preference.

[Faux Real]

I support it 100%. To go further under capitalism they should be given lawful rights that protect them from hateful violence and other forms of social discrimination.

[Joby]

I like changing positions during sex.

[RGacky3]

I don't see why anyone would be against it, somepeople may find it distasteful or whatever, I personally have no problem with it, and there is no reason people should have full oportunity too have sex changes, I just hope they'd be damn sure before they do it, those things are pretty hard to undo.


and that those who discriminate against transexuals should be punished.


Why? If they don't like it, its their problem, why would you punish someone for that?

[Kronos]

Whoever is having sex for change has got serious problems. I mean, if you are going to practice prostitution, you should be paid well for it. So my position on sex change is that it is humiliating and I think prostitutes should form unions and demand higher payments. Seriously, would you have sex for fifty cents....seventy-five cents...or even ninety-nine cents? No. Sex change is contemptible and I am thoroughly against it.

Oh....shit, you mean gender change? Well in that case, no, I'm still against it. There is no difference between a man's quarter and a woman's quarter. The quarter is made from the same materials and has the same value regardless of which gender owns it.

[Kronos]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. You guys are talking about surgical operations which add or subtract sexual organs from a person. Well why didn't any of you say so?! Jesus.

No, I'm not against it. The only people I am against are people who do not work.

[TC]

I'm in favour of allowing anyone to do anything to their own bodies that they want to; whether its cutting off bits, adding bits, shooting heroin, getting incredibly skinny, getting incredibly fat, having abortions, giving birth to deformed crack babies, smoking stuff thats bad for your health (tobacco), smoking stuff thats not bad for your health (weed).

The above position however, is much more social libertarian than many people are willing to go.

So a couple of thoughts:

1. I agree that sex changes are no ones business except the person having one...but isn't it odd that everyone (on both the left and right) is eager to rush to such a position when it comes to men seriously modifying their bodies...but when it comes to abortion, recreational drug use, female cosmetic surgery, unusual female body types such as weight loss beyond a socially acceptable limit, many people (including those on the left when it comes to the later two examples) feel like they're entitled to make it their business, to comment on it and debate its merits and whether or not it should be allowed.

Why is it that a man getting breast implants is arguably less controversial among sectors of the left than a woman getting breast implants?


2. The metaphysics of the rational behind sex changes (i.e. trapped in the wrong body) is clearly unmaterialist and implausible. It seems to me that people buy it because they want to compartmentalize their tolerance for sex changes with a special, mystical justification so as to avoid logically needing to tolerate drug use, anorexia, and cosmetic surgery in women.

A mature position would be to recognize that the "trapped in the wrong body" stuff is a metaphorical, way of expressing a deep emotional or sexual desire, clearly felt to be tremendously important to the person expressing it, but not materially more natural, biological or legitimate than a woman expressing a desire for larger breasts or a smaller stomach.

Just because someone chooses to appeal to a mystical narrative or speculate about their own neurology without any proof, does not make their personal desires categorically different from those who don't.

3. This is one of of those cases where people think that because someone has decided to incorporate an ideological position into claims about their group identity, that ideological position is sacrosanct and unquestionable. This is clearly ridiculous, adding identity politics to a scientific or political theory or argument doesn't mean that anyone who questions the theory or argument is automatically discriminatory or prejudiced or personally attacking those making it.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Whoever is having sex for change has got serious problems. I mean, if you are going to practice prostitution, you should be paid well for it. So my position on sex change is that it is humiliating and I think prostitutes should form unions and demand higher payments. Seriously, would you have sex for fifty cents....seventy-five cents...or even ninety-nine cents? No. Sex change is contemptible and I am thoroughly against it.

Oh....shit, you mean gender change? Well in that case, no, I'm still against it. There is no difference between a man's quarter and a woman's quarter. The quarter is made from the same materials and has the same value regardless of which gender owns it.
:laugh:

[TC]

I think there would be general discomfort at the use of what would essentially amount to mind altering drugs.

Why? People take mind altering drugs for depression caused by just about every other reason...


At any rate I don't think the claim that being transgendered is about chemical balance is technically true. Brain Scans show that men and women have slightly differently shaped brains. Some nodes are a bit different depending on gender and so on.

When the brain of a transgendered person is scanned, their brain shows itself to be reflective of that of their actual gender, rather than their birth gender. Essentially, being transgendered is not about wishing to change gender, but rather having been born with the wrong sexual organs.

This is just totally untrue. Men and women as populations have different statistical norms for some neurology just like they have different statistical norms for height, weight, left thumb size, etc, but placing closer to a male norm than a female norm on one statistical measure doesn't make it a 'male brain' or a 'female brain', unless millions of "cisgendered" people are also living in the "wrong bodies."

The only gender difference in the brain that determines with virtual certainty whether someone is male or female is if their brain cells have two x chromosomes or an x and a y chromosome.

And...if what your saying was really true, there wouldn't be lots of psychological evaluation for transgendered people, they would just get an MRI or PET or CAT scan or whatever. It would be a medical diagnosis rather than a psychiatric one.

(I've written elsewhere on why psychiatric diagnosis tend to be bullshit...http://www.revleft.com/vb/discrimination-against-victims-t49381/index.html )


It is reasonable under the circumstances to presume that it is correct to fix what is essentially a bodily defect.

The idea of something being a "defect" is a bourgeois notion that bodies have intrinsic value beyond that which the person ascribes to them. A transgendered person's body is 'defective' only in the sense that they want a different one...but thats the same sense that you could call someone with a big nose 'defective' if they want a small nose...but this is also true of someone born without an arm; if they want two arms then its something they should be able to address if medically possible, if they don't, then theres nothing wrong with their bodies.

There is nothing naturally or intrinsically right or wrong with anything physical, physical things just are...to think that theres some objective way of catagorizing some body modifications as serving to correct natural 'defects' and others as merely desires, even pathological ones caused by say low self esteem or mental disorders, is just a way of ideologically justifying some people's choices while condemning others, as well as maintaining the bourgeois cult of deference to professional opinion over personal choice.

[Lector Malibu]

Well Like Tragic Clown I support one's decision to change their body in any way they see fit sorta.. I'll explain.

I personally don't think a person should have to go out an get bigger breast or what have you to feel attractive. I don't support the sexist views on what is attractive that forces people to feel unattractive and want to modify their body to gain sexual acceptance. That is where I differ a little bit on the issue.

other then that I agree completely

Gender changing is not about that in my opinion. It is about being who you really are. I fully support ones desire to want to be the person they are even if that means changing their sex.

I actually just encountered this and it gave me a greater appreciation for the subject.

I met a guy out here in New Mexico. I was very drawn to him and we became good friends. It wasn't sexual as he had a girlfriend but he was very attractive we hung out quite a bit. Well turns out that this friend of mine wasn't a guy at all. I tell you though

A) It wasn't a big deal as we are good friends and have alot of fun together.

B) I actually found myself being more attracted to him because there is no greater beauty than one who is truly who they are.

So personally I have no problem with the issue.

Shine on you crazy diamonds

[Luís Henrique]

I think there would be general discomfort at the use of what would essentially amount to mind altering drugs.

What if people actually prefered to take such drug instead of going through a surgery?


As for prioritising it when resources could go to immediately life threatening illnesses. Well in countries with Universal healthcare it is standard practice to give priority to patients with the biggest immediate need. When I went to casualty with an injured ankle, I had to accept that the people coming in with heart attacks and knife injuries needed to be seen by the Doctors before me, even though I was there first. The same principle also applies here. Transgendered people obviously go on the waiting list.

That's the way it should be, but the allocation of resources goes much beyond what you are saying. The doctor who fixed your ankle would probably be unable to perform a sex change surgery - and the doctors who are able to perform sex change - or sex fixing - surgery would not be able to perform other tasks. In countries in which infectious disease are a huge problem, for instance, using scarce resources to train physicians to perform sex fixing surgeries instead of training infectologists and parasitologists may seem quite a waste.

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

Hmm I could've worded what I said better. Demogorgon worded it much better than me. I do not think it being chemicals in the brain means it's a "disability" to be "cured" by medication. Being straight, gay or bi is just chemicals in the brain too. Having consciousness is just chemicals in the brain. All I was saying is just because they feel like a woman/man when they are not, doesn't mean a soul exists. I do not think you could cure it anymore than you could cure any other completely normal sexual preference.

Suppose some crazed scientist came up with some drug that would be able to alter the colour of one's skin. Would we agree that people should be free to take it and become instant "whites"?

On the other hand, would we support the use of a substance - or any other method, surgical, for instance - that would fix the arms of talidomide victims?

And then, if someone is homosexual, and suffers horribly because of that, and wants to be heterosexual, and we do have some drug that can change a person's sexual preference - do we allow him/her to it, or we tell them that they should happy with being homosexual?

Where is the line?

Luís Henrique

[Robert]

Pay for it yourself and you draw the line where you want. Ask me to pay and I'll draw the line here: get a sex change if it's really necessary for your health. How to define necessay? I have no idea.

But I did know a guy who had a sex change in Cuba. He said he had been "castroted." I still don;t know of he was pulling my leg.

[Demogorgon]

What if people actually prefered to take such drug instead of going through a surgery?
If they want. However I have never met a transgendered person who wanted that.


That's the way it should be, but the allocation of resources goes much beyond what you are saying. The doctor who fixed your ankle would probably be unable to perform a sex change surgery - and the doctors who are able to perform sex change - or sex fixing - surgery would not be able to perform other tasks. In countries in which infectious disease are a huge problem, for instance, using scarce resources to train physicians to perform sex fixing surgeries instead of training infectologists and parasitologists may seem quite a waste.

Luís Henrique
Yes, it obviously comes down to immediate priorities. However as I said previously, it is a myth that the operation, or rather series of operations, is the main part of gender re-assignment. The largest aspect (apart from the obvious social aspects) is the administration of hormones, which is not very resource intensive and can generally be done by General Practicioners.

[pusher robot]

Position on sex change? I oppose it for myself. For others, I don't care whatsoever, so long as I'm not asked to sacrifice for it.

[RGacky3]

I don't support the sexist views on what is attractive that forces people to feel unattractive and want to modify their body to gain sexual acceptance.

Considering its men, or lesbian woman, who are attracted to women, it would make sense that they get to choose what they find attractive about women, its not sexist, its nature. If men like big breasts, well, thats what they like, and you gotta live with it.

[Lector Malibu]

Considering its men, or lesbian woman, who are attracted to women, it would make sense that they get to choose what they find attractive about women, its not sexist, its nature. If men like big breasts, well, thats what they like, and you gotta live with it.

Some people like bigger breast on women. Because a woman's breast are not as big as others does not mean she is not attractive. That's a very shallow way of looking at a person.

It is entirely sexist.

[RGacky3]

Because a woman's breast are not as big as others does not mean she is not attractive. That's a very shallow way of looking at a person.

It is entirely sexist.

IF someones not attractive (For any reason, breasts could be part of it) she's not attractive, and thats that, its not sexist at all. The same way women arn't being sexist for liking men with strong ripped bodies. Maybe some men like smaller breasts, thats fine, some guys like fat girls, thats fine too, but just because you don't does'nt make you sexist.

[Dr Mindbender]

It is okay, as long as they tell the people they are dating what their gender was when they were born. People have a right to know before the establish a relationship.


The fact that people still think that it matters is an enditement of our social maturity more than anything else.

If they plan on having kids then fine, thats a valid point otherwise if someone in ignorance thinks less of their partner because they discover they were born another gender is pretty shallow.

Hopefully someday science will progress to the point where sexual reasignment can be performed while mantaining the person's ability to reproduce naturally. In which case even the above point will be irrelevant.

[Lector Malibu]

IF someones not attractive (For any reason, breasts could be part of it) she's not attractive, and thats that, its not sexist at all. The same way women arn't being sexist for liking men with strong ripped bodies. Maybe some men like smaller breasts, thats fine, some guys like fat girls, thats fine too, but just because you don't does'nt make you sexist.

The argument is that people should not have to conform to what others deem as attractive to be attractive.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

or are you taking it personally?

[RGacky3]

The argument is that people should not have to conform to what others deem as attractive to be attractive.

Of coarse they don't, no one has to do anything, but others can still say they are ugly if they think they are, and its not sexist. I get what your saying, of coarse I'm not taking it personally why would I, I am just a bit sick of parts of the left being politically correct to the extreme, to the point to where its just rediculous.

[Lector Malibu]

Of coarse they don't, no one has to do anything, but others can still say they are ugly if they think they are, and its not sexist. I get what your saying, of coarse I'm not taking it personally why would I, I am just a bit sick of parts of the left being politically correct to the extreme, to the point to where its just rediculous.


No I'm saying it's shallow that's all. Continue to be sick of the left and there is nothing ridiculous about encouraging people to be who they are.

[Dust Bunnies]

Sex change is fine, they don't choose to have that genetic make up that makes them want a sex change.

[RGacky3]

No I'm saying it's shallow that's all. Continue to be sick of the left and there is nothing ridiculous about encouraging people to be who they are.

Really? Its shallow to find physically attractive people, physically attractive? And ugly people ugly? hmmm .

I won't say the entire left, I'll say a small portion of it, the college campus politically correct left mainly :P, your right there is nothing wrong with encouraging people to be who they are, and there is nothing wrong with saing some people are just ... unattractive, while others are. Plain and simple.

[Lector Malibu]

Really? Its shallow to find physically attractive people, physically attractive? And ugly people ugly? hmmm .

I won't say the entire left, I'll say a small portion of it, the college campus politically correct left mainly :P, your right there is nothing wrong with encouraging people to be who they are, and there is nothing wrong with saing some people are just ... unattractive, while others are. Plain and simple.

Did you just refer to me as a politically correct college kid? If you did you are so far of the mark it is not funny.

There is a problem with society determining what is attractive based on the notions of what some people find attractive.

And beauty has little to do with what a person looks like. Certainly not how big their boobs are or other sexist expectations.

[Robert]

Maybe some men like smaller breasts, thats fine, some guys like fat girls, thats fine too

Well, if you MUST know, I like them big and small, fat and tall. Girls, I mean. Not their breasts. Necessarily.

That's what we're talking about, right?

Hey, I didn't start it!

[RGacky3]

There is a problem with society determining what is attractive based on the notions of what some people find attractive.


Society determines whats attractive based on the general consensus of whats attractive, obviously there are exceptions, but most men consider what society consideres attractive women to be attractive and vise versa, its not society its nature, If a guy says "You know what I'm not into fat chicks, I like slender ones" He's not being sexist, he's responding to nature, and if a fat girl feels unattractive because men don't find her attractive ... well ... I guess she's not attractive, or if some guys like fat girls ... well, maybe she is too them, thats that.


And beauty has little to do with what a person looks like.

When your talking about sex, much of it does.

[Lector Malibu]

When your talking about sex, much of it does.

I'm not talking about sex. Let me put it to you this way by asking you a question.

This is just an example.

Are you ugly because I think your ugly. Does my opinion matter or should it?

[Luís Henrique]

If men like big breasts, well, thats what they like, and you gotta live with it.

Americans like big breasts.

Normal men prefer otherwise.

Luís Henrique

[Unicorn]

Americans like big breasts.

Normal men prefer otherwise.
Aren't I normal?

[Luís Henrique]

Aren't I normal?

Are you American?

Luís Henrique

[Bud Struggle]

Americans like big breasts.

Normal men prefer otherwise.

Luís Henrique

:laugh: That was GREAT! :laugh:

[Sky]

I fully support sex change operations and believe that the State should finance them for those that want to get one. It would be preferrable if all homosexuals got sex change operations.

[Lector Malibu]

I believe that all homosexuals should get a sex change operation financed by the State.


Why? I'm a homosexual and personally I have no identification as a woman . I like being a guy.


Are you saying that people who want to go under sex change the state should pay for it?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I believe that all homosexuals should get a sex change operation financed by the State.

Why?

[Bud Struggle]

I believe that all homosexuals should get a sex change operation financed by the State.

There's a pretty big difference between being a "gay" and being a "girl".

[Sky]

Why?

Don't people get sex change operations because they are homosexual?

[Demogorgon]

Don't people get sex change operations because they are homosexual?

Don't trolls move on because they get bored?

[Lector Malibu]

Don't people get sex change operations because they are homosexual?

Acutally the people who are uncomfortable with their sex I've talked with say that it's not a matter of being gay, more or less just they do feel they are the sex represented physically.

Tom K addressed a good point about your post though. You do realize that just because someone is gay or lesbian that does not mean that they automatically want to be the other sex?

You also must realize that your question /statement is playing in on a common biased stereotype that people who are gay are "girlish" or "mannish"

So what's it your really saying Sky?

[Sky]

Don't trolls move on because they get bored?

Petty insults such as this do not really belong in a thread of this kind. This thread inquires the opinion of posters in regard to sex change. Your post does not begin to address the issue.

[Lector Malibu]

Petty insults such as this do not really belong in a thread of this kind. This thread inquires the opinion of posters in regard to sex change. Your post does not begin to address the issue.

What's insulting is your refusal to engage in any conversation directly with posters that have spoken to you directly. Trolling is when someone says things that are known to be contraversal for the sake of saying them. Or constantly derails topics with of topic post and is generally a trouble seeker looking for attention.


Are you a troll? Well yes you have made some troll post.

Personally I'm more concerned about your level of homophobia though witch is now quite obvious.

[Sky]

So what's it your really saying Sky?My point is that since homosexuality and sex change operations go hand in hand, it would make sense for homosexuals to get sex change operations. In revolutionary Iran, the State actively promotes and funds sex change operations for homosexuals.

[Lector Malibu]

My point is that since homosexuality and sex change operations go hand in hand, it would make sense for homosexuals to get sex change operations.

You said you wanted all homosexuals to get sex changes

And sex change operations don't always have to do with homosexuality.

[RGacky3]

Are you ugly because I think your ugly. Does my opinion matter or should it?

Well if a lot of people think your ugly, chances are, your ugly, thats the definition of ugly, people thinking your ugly, its not a self-chosen thing.

[Black Dagger]

My point is that since homosexuality and sex change operations go hand in hand, it would make sense for homosexuals to get sex change operations.

No, they don't...well no more than heterosexuality.



In revolutionary Iran, the State actively promotes and funds sex change operations for homosexuals.

This is because in 'revolutionary Iran' gay people are hung by the neck till dead.

The reason why the 'revolutionary' government supports sex change operations is because it sees them as 'solution' to the gay 'problem' (since, like you, they seem to think that 'gay = men who want to be women' - the thought of gay women is of course forbidden, they don't 'exist')... it's anti-gay policy from an anti-gay government

[Kami]

Well if a lot of people think your ugly, chances are, your ugly, thats the definition of ugly, people thinking your ugly, its not a self-chosen thing.


Aesthetics -.- Ugliness is in the eye of the beholder. If 999,999 in every 1,000,000 thought you ugly, the one remaining wouldn't be wrong when he said you weren't.

On the main subject though, sex changes are not about sexuality, instead a matter of getting the body to align to the persons gender identity. Or not, if that's what the person prefers. Not really my business.

[Mike Rotchtickles]

I think people should do what ever they want as long as it does not hurt anyone, however I dont think that sex change ops should be financed by the state. A person may believe that they are trapped in the wrong body would be happier as another sex but i shouldnt pay for it. I may believe that I was born with breasts that were too small and would be happier with enormous ones, but i cant make the state pay for it.

[RGacky3]

Aesthetics -.- Ugliness is in the eye of the beholder. If 999,999 in every 1,000,000 thought you ugly, the one remaining wouldn't be wrong when he said you weren't.

True, but it has nothing to do with sexism, if a girl wants to be attractive to men, who find certain things attractive, then she's gotta adjust to those things and vise versa, its not sexism, its the way it is, its nature. Also physical human beauty is somewhat different than Aesthetics (in the sense of music or art), because the sex drive is involved.

Btw, I don't think Sky is homophobic, I think he's just insane, and has his head completely in the clouds, not knowing at all what is going on in the world.

My other theory, is that he's just playing a big joke on all of us.