Ireland Is Free! - Capitalist Imperial,where were you?

[Vladimir]

Capitalist Imperial, where have you been since you were born, you definatly dont know anything about Ireland. You say Ireland is a colony of the UK and they still control us!! We have been free since 1921, you idiot.
Apart from Northern Ireland, we are completly free from British rule. We make our own laws, own constitution.
After the civil war, Ireland achieved independence as the Irish Free State. The Governor General's office and powers of the Crown were abolished in 1937. Ireland left the Commonwealth in 1949 and declared a Republic. here read up
http://www.iol.ie/~dluby/history.htm#Economic

Why would you say such a thing??? Who told you this?
I dont go around saying that USA is ruled by Canada so i, coz its exactly what your saying??

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IrishGuevara32 on 7:20 pm on July 11, 2002
Capitalist Imperial, where have you been since you were born, you definatly dont know anything about Ireland. You say Ireland is a colony of the UK and they still control us!! We have been free since 1921, you idiot.
Apart from Northern Ireland, we are completly free from British rule. We make our own laws, own constitution.
After the civil war, Ireland achieved independence as the Irish Free State. The Governor General's office and powers of the Crown were abolished in 1937. Ireland left the Commonwealth in 1949 and declared a Republic. here read up
http://www.iol.ie/~dluby/history.htm#Economic

Why would you say such a thing??? Who told you this?
I dont go around saying that USA is ruled by Canada so i, coz its exactly what your saying??

I understand that, IG, what I mean is that you are basically economically dependent omn the UK, and you don't have true sovreignty as you own nation.

If you were invaded, you would need england or the USA to defend you.

Independence is not just a function of treaty documents.

Just like canada is dependent on the US.

[Vladimir]

Thanks. Yea we were economically dependant on them, we joined the EU in 1973, therefore even if we were invaded, the other EU members would see that as an attack on them, its like your bush coalition thing.

True they are our greatest trade partners, but we are our own country, we manage our own affairs with no influence from GB.

Btw who is USA's biggest trade partner?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IrishGuevara32 on 7:34 pm on July 11, 2002
Thanks. Yea we were economically dependant on them, we joined the EU in 1973, therefore even if we were invaded, the other EU members would see that as an attack on them, its like your bush coalition thing.

True they are our greatest trade partners, but we are our own country, we manage our own affairs with no influence from GB.

Btw who is USA's biggest trade partner?

The UK, but they are more dependent on us than we are of them.

Ireland relies on the UK.

The UK relies on the US

[Vladimir]

''Ireland relies on the UK''
Agriculture is the biggest sector between the UK and Eire bot this also the most heavily E.U subsidised sector in Irish trade which emphasises Irelands far greater reliance on Europe.While the U.K has been adopting a more isolationist stance regarding Europe Ireland is one of the E.U`s strongest supporters(Nice Treaty aside,a result of government incompetence and voter apathy). In your deliberately provocative statements you went for the easy choice in Britain due to Anglo-Irish historical relations.If you had been truly informed on the subject of Irish sovereignty you would have highlighted Irelands dependence on E.U aid which has transformed the country since 1973 and has always been on the basis of an equal standing with the other member states and not as the junior partner you suggested in Anglo-Irish relations.

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Joe, Not IG32,I think therefore I`m damned.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IrishGuevara32 on 8:29 pm on July 11, 2002
''Ireland relies on the UK''
Agriculture is the biggest sector between the UK and Eire bot this also the most heavily E.U subsidised sector in Irish trade which emphasises Irelands far greater reliance on Europe.While the U.K has been adopting a more isolationist stance regarding Europe Ireland is one of the E.U`s strongest supporters(Nice Treaty aside,a result of government incompetence and voter apathy). In your deliberately provocative statements you went for the easy choice in Britain due to Anglo-Irish historical relations.If you had been truly informed on the subject of Irish sovereignty you would have highlighted Irelands dependence on E.U aid which has transformed the country since 1973 and has always been on the basis of an equal standing with the other member states and not as the junior partner you suggested in Anglo-Irish relations.

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Joe, Not IG32,I think therefore I`m damned.


"An equal standing"? Do they have full voting power representative to their contituency?

[pastradamus]

The EU voting system is proportional to population...dumbass!


If you were invaded, you would need england or the USA to defend you.

Ireland has never shown any major foreign agression against another nation.We have a policy of neutrality,which has always worked for us.

The US are almost as reliant on the international community as we are.

[Reuben]

as ar as i know, ireland actually currently hasa greater per capita income than the UK.

[Supermodel]

And much prettier women.

[Vladimir]

CI, the EU's voting system is you get MEP's and they vote for your country, the number of MEP's goes by population. Biggest poulation, Biggest vote.

Belgium 25
Denmark 16
Germany 99
Greece 25
Spain 64
France 87
Ireland 15
Italy 87
Luxembourg 6
Netherlands 31
Austria 21
Portugal 25
Finland 16
Sweden 22
Great Britain 87

626 in all, so nobody has equal standing(the germans own all lol)

PS that reply before was by Joe, not me, he wanted to reply but he used my account ok. He signed it see.

[pastradamus]

Go luxembourg! soon to rule europe!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from pastradamus on 11:56 pm on July 11, 2002
The EU voting system is proportional to population...dumbass!


If you were invaded, you would need england or the USA to defend you.

Ireland has never shown any major foreign agression against another nation.We have a policy of neutrality,which has always worked for us.



"The EU voting system is proportional to population...dumbass!"

That was exactly my question, you idiot, so who is the dumbass? You have very limited reading comprehension and vocabulary skills.

"The US are almost as reliant on the international community as we are."

Almost? LOL, LOL what is you definition of "almost"?

Here is a critical thinking tidbit for you, einstein, all nations are somewhat dependent on the international community. That is common sense.

However, the USA has the ability stand alone more than any other nation.

For all of you vulgar personal attacks, you don't supplement them with much intelligence.

[pastradamus]

Well lets look at the intelligence of ur comments:

or example u said that Ireland is ruled by brittain.
But shifted ur story to economics.(which by the way was clever but desperate)

The US are fucked without the support of other nations.e.g the whole afghanistan attack.they needed support offf the EU nations,pakistan,and a whole lot of others.

And another stupid comment made by u in another post,when someone reffered to the assassination of the leftist president of chile by the CIA.
U gave this reply:


It was an operation designed to serve the interests of the american people. It was utilitarian for us.

hahaha! enough said!

[Hattori Hanzo]

CI, coming from a non-Irish, Irelan is not dependent on the UK! they are very independent

also, the US and europe are the least capable nations to stand alone

you can ask me why, and I will tell, or you can foam at the mouth, destroy things in your huge house, and insult me, and I will still tell

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from pastradamus on 7:01 pm on July 12, 2002
Well lets look at the intelligence of ur comments:

"for example u said that Ireland is ruled by brittain.
But shifted ur story to economics.(which by the way was clever but desperate)

The US are fucked without the support of other nations.e.g the whole afghanistan attack.they needed support offf the EU nations,pakistan,and a whole lot of others.

And another stupid comment made by u in another post,when someone reffered to the assassination of the leftist president of chile by the CIA.
U gave this reply:


It was an operation designed to serve the interests of the american people. It was utilitarian for us.

hahaha! enough said!


"for example u said that Ireland is ruled by brittain.
But shifted ur story to economics.(which by the way was clever but desperate)"

fine, i'll give you that, my comment was somewaht fascicious. Ireland does have it ownd government recognized by the EU and UN, but they are still reliant on the UK, but that is fine

"The US are fucked without the support of other nations.e.g the whole afghanistan attack.they needed support offf the EU nations,pakistan,and a whole lot of others."

Hardly. We kindly ask for support, and some give it, some have concerns, but we far from "need" it. We can definately go it alone if we have to, and we will, but we'll remember who was and wasn't with us. Other nations are more reliant on us than we are of them economically, industrially, and militarily, I'm sure you understand this.

"And another stupid comment made by u in another post,when someone reffered to the assassination of the leftist president of chile by the CIA.
U gave this reply:"


It was an operation designed to serve the interests of the american people. It was utilitarian for us.

What was incorrect about that comment?

[pastradamus]

Ok so ur saying that should the international community stop trading with america ,that everything would be a-ok? I know u could say this about any nation,im not denying this.But ur nation is,as all others are in the "need it" sector.Ur country is far from the invincible stage my friend.

[Hattori Hanzo]

Europe, Japan, and America live in luxury. most under-privelaged countries could survive from subsistance and mild profit farming, while the "International Community" would die

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from pastradamus on 8:15 pm on July 12, 2002
Ok so ur saying that should the international community stop trading with america ,that everything would be a-ok? I know u could say this about any nation,im not denying this.But ur nation is,as all others are in the "need it" sector.Ur country is far from the invincible stage my friend.


Of course we would suffer if we lost all international trade, but the nations that we stopped trading with would suffer, too. And we do have enough resources in North America to sustain ourselves if we have to. As for "invincible", I don't claim this, but any 1 country against us would not have a chance.

[pastradamus]

you are just proving my point.

russia wouldnt have a chance? the push of a button would set off a hydrogen bomb which would give ye no chance.

[Vladimir]

Nice arguement!, CI you agree that Ireland is free and does not bend to the british gov.
i dont want to get into the economics of things, so i won't.


Also, not that it would ever happen, who do you think would win a war between the yanks and the EU.
I'd go for EU, there far stronger with all the countries pulled together. Also more nations coming soon.

[Brian]

Quote: from IrishGuevara32 on 3:02 pm on July 13, 2002
Nice arguement!, CI you agree that Ireland is free and does not bend to the british gov.
i dont want to get into the economics of things, so i won't.


Also, not that it would ever happen, who do you think would win a war between the yanks and the EU.
I'd go for EU, there far stronger with all the countries pulled together. Also more nations coming soon.

Are you pissed eyed drunk?

[Vladimir]

Brian , what the fuck, course the EU would beat the US, the US wouldnt stand a chance, 15 countries plus another 13 joining soon,

We'd kill ye!

[Brian]

I thing you had too much to drink! NorthAmerican can kick your EU ass!

[Red Revolution]

Cool I like what ifs

This is a pretty good argument.
If the US went to war against all the membersb of the EU the British commoneweath would fight alongside them, that means Canada amd Australia along with 30 other countries around the world. The EU would also have the suport of all US hating terrorist organizations as well as Cuba. I think Russia and China would take a neutral stance though. Even then it would not be a short war unless nukes were used.
I douht it would happen as the UK and US are best of buddies.
Any replies?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from pastradamus on 12:33 am on July 13, 2002
you are just proving my point.

russia wouldnt have a chance? the push of a button would set off a hydrogen bomb which would give ye no chance.


Russia trying to go nuclear against the USA now? With warheads and missles that were of poor quality in the 1st place, and then ill-maintained and dilapidated throughout their life, especially recently?

Against the more reliable, better maintained, more current, and technologically advanced U.S. missles, many of them ICBM's with MRVS?

That would be russias biggest mistake.

Of course both areas would be devastated, but russia would be nothing but a giant parking lot.

What is your logic?

[Capitalist Imperial]

OMG 15 countries my ass!!!

Who cares? Just the state of California has a better economy than poland, czechslovakia, spain, all of scandinavia combined.

The USA is much stonger militarily than the entire EU, just our NAVY and its carrier battlegroups could defeat the EU!!!!

We have more $$$ to wage war longer, and our equipment is more sophisticated, and we are better trained and much, much more organized and experienced than an attempt at a united EU front fighting its 1st war would be.

Go check your stats, IG, you may know more than me about ireland, but I guarantee I know more about relative military capability than you and I can assure you that even with all countries combined the EU could not defeat the USA in a war.

Not even close.

No one in the EU even has a nuclear carrier, or a ballistic missle sub (mabye the UK has 1 or 2 but nothing compared to the US).

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IrishGuevara32 on 4:46 pm on July 13, 2002
Brian , what the fuck, course the EU would beat the US, the US wouldnt stand a chance, 15 countries plus another 13 joining soon,

We'd kill ye!


LOL, LOL, LMFAO, ROFL

I just had to read it again!!!

[Vladimir]

LOL, maybe, look at yer defence spending, what a waste of money for loads of nuclear subs, but one thing is dammit they just look so cool! LOL

Tis a waste of money for subs though, who is yer submarine enemy, Afghanistan.
Loads of taliban nuke subs crawling over the sand dunes and the US following them LMAO!!

[pastradamus]

dont forget the taliban frogmen!

[Capitalist Imperial]

LOL, thats true, but you never know where the next threat is (ahem...china).

[Hattori Hanzo]

oh, you mean the terrorist army of the us will attack china?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Hattori Hanzo on 7:29 pm on July 15, 2002
oh, you mean the terrorist army of the us will attack china?

No, the overpopulated China, desperate for resources to sustain itself, may try to ursurp North American resources and attempt an invasion.

The United states takes a defensive military posture. We are never unjustified aggresors.

[Conghaileach]

from Capitalist Imperial
The United states takes a defensive military posture. We are never unjustified aggresors.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hey, wait. That's not funny, that's sad.

[marxistdisciple]

Yeah the US always fights wars in the interest of other countries :)

If Asia attacked the US in a ground war, the US would have no chance. India could probably mobilise a million soldiers by itself. And China has the biggest air force in the world. But all the war talk aside, Americans will only be smiling as long as they have the nieve superiority complex they like so much.

America is richer. Does that make them better? Of course not. America is bigger? Does that make it better? Only in the eyes of a badly brought up child.

America has a bigger army. That means they have more enemies, that means they are nasty people who don't get along as well with other races, it doesn't say anything GOOD about them.
What a strange way of looking at it. It just further proves the insular, zenophobic attitude of most Americans.

Simplified american belief: USA is the best! (Because we can kill other countries economically or violently!)

That makes you "best" somehow??
Perhaps you should be proud most loathed instead?

I agree China is a threat to the US economically. Maybe that's a good reason to attack them now then? Might as well, lets see how many people America can attack before they lose international support.

The IRA blew a few people up in London, so I believe we need to bomb Ireland to root out the terrorists. Like in the Gulf War when we all went to get Saddam, and punished him for his crimes.

Oh, we didn't though did we?

And like how we went after Afghanistan to get Osama, and he's caught and in an American prison.

But he isn't is he?

If I had millions of dollars, and an international terrorist network under my control, and the Americans invaded England to find me, do you think they ever would?
Well, there are only 60-70 million people to kill, won't take long.

We never catch the man at the top, even if they got close, he'd probably kill himself first. Just like Hitler did.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from marxistdisciple on 4:39 pm on July 16, 2002
Yeah the US always fights wars in the interest of other countries :)

If Asia attacked the US in a ground war, the US would have no chance. India could probably mobilise a million soldiers by itself. And China has the biggest air force in the world. But all the war talk aside, Americans will only be smiling as long as they have the nieve superiority complex they like so much.

America has a bigger army. That means they have more enemies, that means they are nasty people who don't get along as well with other races, it doesn't say anything GOOD about them.
What a strange way of looking at it. It just further proves the insular, zenophobic attitude of most Americans.

Simplified american belief: USA is the best! (Because we can kill other countries economically or violently!)

That makes you "best" somehow??
Perhaps you should be proud most loathed instead?

I agree China is a threat to the US economically. Maybe that's a good reason to attack them now then? Might as well, lets see how many people America can attack before they lose international support.

The IRA blew a few people up in London, so I believe we need to bomb Ireland to root out the terrorists. Like in the Gulf War when we all went to get Saddam, and punished him for his crimes.

Oh, we didn't though did we?

And like how we went after Afghanistan to get Osama, and he's caught and in an American prison.

But he isn't is he?

If I had millions of dollars, and an international terrorist network under my control, and the Americans invaded England to find me, do you think they ever would?
Well, there are only 60-70 million people to kill, won't take long.

We never catch the man at the top, even if they got close, he'd probably kill himself first. Just like Hitler did.




You obviously know little about chinas true capability.

"If Asia attacked the US in a ground war, the US would have no chance. India could probably mobilise a million soldiers by itself. And China has the biggest air force in the world."

That would dictate getting to American soil, and they would have no chance of getting past the US Navy. China does not even have 1 aircraft carrier. 1 US carrier battlegroup could defeat china's and india's entire navy combined. Easy. Even if they did get to US soil (which they won't), they do not have the $$$ to sustain as many troops, weapons, and equipment as the US can, so, actually, we have a larger truly employable army (and they are better trained), and better weapons/equipment. India cannot mobilize 1 million troops, they cant even come close to affording that. The chinese airforce? Same problem, china can't afford to keep its planes in the air like the US can, and US planes are much better equipped and capable, as china uses mostly out of date russian models. Of couse the pilot is the most important thing, but, wait! US pilots are way, way better than chinese pilots. They have more weekly hours of training and real-life combat experience. So again, we actually have a larger employable airforce, with better planes, and better pilots.

Almost any military analyst will agree with my assessment, a USA invasion attempt by india/china will be a slaughter for india/china.

So, what is your logic?

"America has a bigger army. That means they have more enemies, that means they are nasty people who don't get along as well with other races, it doesn't say anything GOOD about them."

It means we our military grew out of necessity to counter the soviet empire and acheive a balance of world power. We have many allies, and now we are protecting our assets, resources, and allies.

"What a strange way of looking at it. It just further proves the insular, zenophobic attitude of most Americans."

It proves the strength, soveriegnty, and resiliance of Americans

"That makes you "best" somehow??
Perhaps you should be proud most loathed instead?"

Its actually called envy and frustration from other nations that could not acheive in 1000 years what we acheived in 200.

"Simplified american belief: USA is the best! (Because we can kill other countries economically or violently!)"

Yes, its simple: #1 GDP, largest economy, most technologically advanced, most significant inventions in the last 150 years, best military, world's largest % of college grads (24%), most immigrants, best athletes, country most asked for help...

these are just a few measures.

"I agree China is a threat to the US economically. Maybe that's a good reason to attack them now then? Might as well, lets see how many people America can attack before they lose international support."

Hardly a threat, merely a vast opportunity. We are more interested in developing trade relations with china than warring with them. Besides, America's military posture is defensive, so an attack of China is unlikely in current conditions.

"The IRA blew a few people up in London, so I believe we need to bomb Ireland to root out the terrorists. Like in the Gulf War when we all went to get Saddam, and punished him for his crimes. Oh, we didn't though did we?"

If the ruling party in ireland was hiding the terrorists and refusing to cooperate, then england should attack, wouldn't that make sense?
Our objective in the gulf war was to destroy the Iraqi army and liberate Kuwait. We acheived both of those objectives with relative ease.
Killing Saddam would have further destabilized the region, so it never was an objective of that operation.

"And like how we went after Afghanistan to get Osama, and he's caught and in an American prison. But he isn't is he?"

We went to Afghanistan for many reasons, getting Osama was just 1 small one. He is not the be-all end all of terrorism, catching him would not be a great strategic victory, merely a moral one. The US is much more interested in destroying remaining forces and weapons in the region. But we''l get him soon,anyway. Bush and the pentagon admitted it would be hard and take a while. It is not surprising that he hasn't been caught yet.

"If I had millions of dollars, and an international terrorist network under my control, and the Americans invaded England to find me, do you think they ever would?
Well, there are only 60-70 million people to kill, won't take long."

That is a dogmatic, hypothetical question. My only reesponse is, that yes, I am confident US/UK forces would definately find you.

"We never catch the man at the top, even if they got close, he'd probably kill himself first. Just like Hitler did."

That would be fine, it would still be a victory for the USA

[Vladimir]

''Yes, its simple: #1 GDP, largest economy, most technologically advanced, most significant inventions in the last 150 years, best military, world's largest % of college grads (24%), most immigrants, best athletes, country most asked for help...''

Your largest econonmy, sorry to say, looks like shit at the moment.

Ye are not the most technologically advanced , Japan are far more advanced. Most significant inventions,
Radar=England, Submarine=Northern Ireland, CD=Japan, TV=Japan, VCR=Japan, Mobile Phones = Japan, nearly every electronic instrument in your house lets say. All clothing= Asia ( well made in asia, lol)

Ireland have a bigger percentage of college grads actually, just the number is diff coz there are 270 million more of ye there

Most immigrants , i dont know, ill give ye that!

Best athletes, well y aill give ye that too except there all black so...

Country most asked for help..........well, depends on what kind of help, i presume military you were on about

IrishGuevara

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IrishGuevara32 on 11:12 pm on July 16, 2002
''Yes, its simple: #1 GDP, largest economy, most technologically advanced, most significant inventions in the last 150 years, best military, world's largest % of college grads (24%), most immigrants, best athletes, country most asked for help...''

Your largest econonmy, sorry to say, looks like shit at the moment.

Ye are not the most technologically advanced , Japan are far more advanced. Most significant inventions,
Radar=England, Submarine=Northern Ireland, CD=Japan, TV=Japan, VCR=Japan, Mobile Phones = Japan, nearly every electronic instrument in your house lets say. All clothing= Asia ( well made in asia, lol)

Ireland have a bigger percentage of college grads actually, just the number is diff coz there are 270 million more of ye there

Most immigrants , i dont know, ill give ye that!

Best athletes, well y aill give ye that too except there all black so...

Country most asked for help..........well, depends on what kind of help, i presume military you were on about

IrishGuevara




"Your largest econonmy, sorry to say, looks like shit at the moment."

And its still the worlds best, so what does that tell you?

"Ye are not the most technologically advanced , Japan are far more advanced. Most significant inventions,
Radar=England, Submarine=Northern Ireland, CD=Japan, TV=Japan, VCR=Japan, Mobile Phones = Japan, nearly every electronic instrument in your house lets say. All clothing= Asia ( well made in asia, lol)"

You are wrong, sir.

The Japaneze are very innovative, but not more inventive or advanced. The TV, VCR, and cell phone were invented in the US, and later models were innovated by japan. Japan is good with innovating existing consumer electronics, but those are basically expensive toys that were already invented in the US. Japan has actually "invented" very little, and The USA is way ahead of them in significant technology.

"Best athletes, well y aill give ye that too except there all black so..."

LOL, many of them are, true, but not all, most of our decathlon winners were not, and many baseball/football players are not, and our hockey players are not. Even if they are, they are still American!

"Ireland have a bigger percentage of college grads actually, just the number is diff coz there are 270 million more of ye there"

I was talking percentages, to keep it fair. USA has 24%. If ireland has a larger percentage, please let me know and cite your source.

"Country most asked for help..........well, depends on what kind of help, i presume military you were on about"

Well, yes, but also for loans, debt relief, and both monetary and resource aid in the event of natural disasters

[saorise]

I thought the sub was invented by a man from the west of Ireland- I was at a monument at his home town years ago I think it was in Mayo, but maybe Clare.
CI why the hell do you say if we were invaded we would need the help of the US or the Brits- who the fuck is going to invade us we are not hated around the world almost universally like yourselves- even your lapdogs the Brits.
Heres an american view of this
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...-1a-cover_x.htm

[saorise]

I thought the sub was invented by a man from the west of Ireland- I was at a monument at his home town years ago I think it was in Mayo, but maybe Clare.
CI why the hell do you say if we were invaded we would need the help of the US or the Brits- who the fuck is going to invade us we are not hated around the world almost universally like yourselves- even your lapdogs the Brits.
Heres an american view of this
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...-1a-cover_x.htm

[canikickit]

Phillip Holland invented the submarine, and I'm related to him thank you very much.....

on the topic of economics. back in the 30s/40s we had the economic war with Britain which we won.

America is a bad place. The people are badly educated. At the weekend I was watching Fox news on sky digital. jesus christ I never saw such shit. They're so fucking biased and propagandic, the fuckers! I hate the bastards why do they have to have big flashing symbols saying 'America at War', America's not at war its all bullshit, fucking-fuck-fuckers die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die.....

[canikickit]

Phillip Holland invented the submarine, and I'm related to him thank you very much.....

on the topic of economics. back in the 30s/40s we had the economic war with Britain which we won.

America is a bad place. The people are badly educated. At the weekend I was watching Fox news on sky digital. jesus christ I never saw such shit. They're so fucking biased and propagandized, the fuckers! I hate the bastards why do they have to have big flashing symbols saying 'America at War', America's not at war its all bullshit, fucking-fuck-fuckers die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die.....

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from canikickit on 2:52 am on Aug. 23, 2002
Phillip Holland invented the submarine, and I'm related to him thank you very much.....

on the topic of economics. back in the 30s/40s we had the economic war with Britain which we won.

America is a bad place. The people are badly educated. At the weekend I was watching Fox news on sky digital. jesus christ I never saw such shit. They're so fucking biased and propagandized, the fuckers! I hate the bastards why do they have to have big flashing symbols saying 'America at War', America's not at war its all bullshit, fucking-fuck-fuckers die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die.....


Shut the fuck up, you punk-ass *****.

Why don't you bring your pussy-ass to the states and talk that shit? You would get your fucking ass beat in about 3 seconds.

[Mazdak]

Why dont you get your pussy ass to europe or China or Cuba and start talking shit. you would get your ass kicked double.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Mazdak on 4:18 am on Aug. 23, 2002
Why dont you get your pussy ass to europe or China or Cuba and start talking shit. you would get your ass kicked double.

shit, do you think i'm scared of those places? their people are about 5 feet tall average, and soft as hell

soft, i say

americans are the worlds greatest fighters, period

[canikickit]

I don't even understand you're motivation for typing that shit.

"americans are the worlds greatest fighters, period"

you're such a dope. I don't care if I'd get my ass kicked in three seconds. It doesn't change the fact that one of your premier news stations is pumping out rhetoric and propaganda 24 hours a day. The country is a mess because you poor people can not understand any culture except your own.

something like 60% of high school leavers cannot locate North America on a map....

the reason you cannot understand other culture is beacuse you pump out to much of your own, unfortunatly there is nothing which can be done about this but its a pity. over here we get to experience a taste of the cultures surrounding us and loads of horseshit cominng from the USA...the world is a mess. why must you threaten me? are you retarded. I think violent language is a sign a sexual frustration. God love you. ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha......

[Anonymous]

Quote: from canikickit on 9:54 am on Aug. 23, 2002
I don't even understand you're motivation for typing that shit.

"americans are the worlds greatest fighters, period"

you're such a dope. I don't care if I'd get my ass kicked in three seconds. It doesn't change the fact that one of your premier news stations is pumping out rhetoric and propaganda 24 hours a day. The country is a mess because you poor people can not understand any culture except your own.

something like 60% of high school leavers cannot locate North America on a map....

the reason you cannot understand other culture is beacuse you pump out to much of your own, unfortunatly there is nothing which can be done about this but its a pity. over here we get to experience a taste of the cultures surrounding us and loads of horseshit cominng from the USA...the world is a mess. why must you threaten me? are you retarded. I think violent language is a sign a sexual frustration. God love you. ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha......



Bite me!

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 10:20 am on Aug. 23, 2002)

[mujer revolucionaria]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 10:21 pm on Aug. 23, 2002

americans are the worlds greatest fighters, period



no not really, they just have the most money and the most weapons.

All these American "patriots" who basically think consuming is patriotic, how many of them do you think would take up arms in the streets to stand behind a unified patriotic cause?? Not very many......

[canikickit]

[/quote]

Bite me!

[/quote]

you're a genius. You're responses are too intelligent for me to understand.

[Moskitto]

shit, do you think i'm scared of those places? their people are about 5 feet tall average, and soft as hell

Don't diss short Chinese people or i'll do to you what I did to Stephen White.

90% of Americans don't have passports.

[Moskitto]

Oh yeah, Australia have been and are world Champions in far more sports than the US. The only sports the US are good at are sports that only the US plays and Athletics. If you actually managed to go to other countries, you'll probably notice that on TV there isn't any Baseball, Basketball or American Football. You see in other countries, on TV there's stuff that we annihalate you at, like Football, Rugby, Cricket. Oh and annother thing you'll find is that Russia and Canada are actually the best teams at Ice Hockey, not The US. Then you'll discover that other countries don't have news corporations (like NBC) who only show olympic sports that the US is good at, thus propaganderise the myth that the US is the greatest sporting nation.

And don't even bother citing the "Decathlon winners" you've got. If the Bahamas had won 10 out of the 19 olympic decathlon championships (which is what the US has, only just over 50% and the current champion is an ESTONIAN) yet had 0 other olympic medals ever, and 0 other world championship medals in any sport would you call them the greatest athletes? NO, so nor is the US who's record is similar.

Now, us Europeans are a little bit more intelligent. You see, In Hungary they won 12 gold medals at the world championships of their national sport. Do they go around saying the worlds greatest athletes are Hungarian? No, because they realise that only the countries in Eastern Europe follow their sport to a big extent.

Oh yeah, I forgot the "World Series" winners in Baseball are American, Just like the world toe wrestling champion is British. Maybe that's because in both events the entrants were from 1 country.

[canikickit]

and America's prison population is second biggest in the world (proportionally) and about 7 times that of the third biggest.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 8:37 pm on Aug. 23, 2002
Oh yeah, Australia have been and are world Champions in far more sports than the US. The only sports the US are good at are sports that only the US plays and Athletics. If you actually managed to go to other countries, you'll probably notice that on TV there isn't any Baseball, Basketball or American Football. You see in other countries, on TV there's stuff that we annihalate you at, like Football, Rugby, Cricket. Oh and annother thing you'll find is that Russia and Canada are actually the best teams at Ice Hockey, not The US. Then you'll discover that other countries don't have news corporations (like NBC) who only show olympic sports that the US is good at, thus propaganderise the myth that the US is the greatest sporting nation.

And don't even bother citing the "Decathlon winners" you've got. If the Bahamas had won 10 out of the 19 olympic decathlon championships (which is what the US has, only just over 50% and the current champion is an ESTONIAN) yet had 0 other olympic medals ever, and 0 other world championship medals in any sport would you call them the greatest athletes? NO, so nor is the US who's record is similar.

Now, us Europeans are a little bit more intelligent. You see, In Hungary they won 12 gold medals at the world championships of their national sport. Do they go around saying the worlds greatest athletes are Hungarian? No, because they realise that only the countries in Eastern Europe follow their sport to a big extent.

Oh yeah, I forgot the "World Series" winners in Baseball are American, Just like the world toe wrestling champion is British. Maybe that's because in both events the entrants were from 1 country.



But that is not the case, moskitto.

Not only do we have the most decathlon winners, but we rule the overall medal count at the summer and winter olympics.

So what is your logic, again?

[Moskitto]

Actually, you're wrong. Norway has the highest medal count in the Winter Olympics, followed by Russia/USSR, The USA is only 3rd. And there are more sports apart from those in the olympics, also noticed I said that Australia had more World Championship medals, not olympic medals. In quite a lot of sports, the Olympics is only a way of encouraging new people into a sport and the Worlds are the real competition (unless you're a "twat who wants to be on TV.")

[Vladimir]

Yeah America needs more cultural relationship and interaction with the rest of the world and stop being so arrogant if that can happen.

BTW, Id love to see you challenge us in a game of Gaelic. LOL Fuck it, County Cork itself would beat the whole Yankeeland©

IrishGuevara

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 6:38 pm on Aug. 25, 2002
Actually, you're wrong. Norway has the highest medal count in the Winter Olympics, followed by Russia/USSR, The USA is only 3rd. And there are more sports apart from those in the olympics, also noticed I said that Australia had more World Championship medals, not olympic medals. In quite a lot of sports, the Olympics is only a way of encouraging new people into a sport and the Worlds are the real competition (unless you're a "twat who wants to be on TV.")


BS, moskitto, check the last winter olympics, USA was #1 in gold and overall medals, and we've always ruled the summer olympics. Also, the Olymic Games are accepted as the competition of "the best in the world". That is why the olympic decathlon winner is considered "the world's greatest athlete". The world champioships are not better than the olympics! (maybe in canoeing, but not most sports).

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from mujer revolucionaria on 6:23 am on Aug. 23, 2002

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 10:21 pm on Aug. 23, 2002

americans are the worlds greatest fighters, period



no not really, they just have the most money and the most weapons.

All these American "patriots" who basically think consuming is patriotic, how many of them do you think would take up arms in the streets to stand behind a unified patriotic cause?? Not very many......





If the cause was just, almost all americans that could would take up arms.

You know very little about americans

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IrishGuevara32 on 2:13 am on Aug. 26, 2002
Yeah America needs more cultural relationship and interaction with the rest of the world and stop being so arrogant if that can happen.

BTW, Id love to see you challenge us in a game of Gaelic. LOL Fuck it, County Cork itself would beat the whole Yankeeland©

IrishGuevara


What is Gaelic? OK, you could probably beat us in that. That is, until we learned it and practiced a little. Then we would dominate.

[Anonymous]

Isn't Gaelic the language that was spoken by the Celts.

I didn't think there was also a game called Gaelic. hmm.....

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 7:38 am on Aug. 26, 2002)

[Vladimir]

Well its Gaelic football and no CI you wouldnt beat us, hundreads of years of playing the game!

Here, http://www.gaa.ie

IrishGuevara

[munkey soup]

And where does all this nationalism get us?

So far it dosen't look like very far.

Its a shame when, in this day and age, we cannot look past our borders and count ourselves as citizens of the world, cooperating with each other to make a better life for everyone not just our own individual nation/states.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from munkey soup on 11:00 pm on Aug. 26, 2002
And where does all this nationalism get us?

So far it dosen't look like very far.

Its a shame when, in this day and age, we cannot look past our borders and count ourselves as citizens of the world, cooperating with each other to make a better life for everyone not just our own individual nation/states.

Are you gonna' pass out some granola bars and make us sing "cumbaya"?

[munkey soup]

Good one.

Unfotrunately, machismo does not get us too far, either.

And do not mistake my idealism for weakness. Yes I hold a romantic version of what the world should be, but it does not cloud my vision of the here and now.

And I will be forcing no one to sing cumbaya, I detest religion.

(Edited by munkey soup at 4:08 pm on Aug. 26, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

I believe cooperation does exist in the world, look at the international space station.

However, maintaining our regional identities and cultures lends itself to many different points of view and approaches to problems, yielding a diversity and richness in life that is a benefit, not a hinderance.

[munkey soup]

True, I am not against preserving cultural heritage and the like. I for one count myself as having an Irish identity, and I believe strongly in preserving the Celtic heritage. I also do not believe in the abolishment of all State borders.

But far too many times in the past States become too nationalistic and begin to believe their cultural identity is superior and more important than any other (obviously an example would be Germany in the '30s and '40s).

We need to find that ever elusive middle, where our cultures are preserved, but we our able to look past our immediate wants, and take into consideration the other States and nations of the world.

This is another one of my romantic visions, as I do not believe it will occur within my lifetime, or, for that matter, within the timeframe of human existence. But that will not stop me from attempting to achieve it.