If There Is No God

[Bud Struggle]

What is fair?

Why (if there is no ultimate moral consequence to my actions) isn't anything I damn well decide to do "fair?"

If there is no God--aren't I god?

[apathy maybe]

If there is a god, the question "what is fair?" remains.


Why (if there is no ultimate moral consequence to my actions) isn't anything I damn well decide to do "fair?" Because (in the present society), you will be locked up if you persist in violating the laws of the country you live in.


If there is no God--aren't I god?Define god, then I'll answer. You appear to be using two definitions of god, which are mutually incompatible. (if "god" is an all powerful, all knowing being, then how can you be god?)

[Raúl Duke]

If by "fair" you mean something similar to "good" I suggest you look into the Euthyphro dilemma. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro_dilemma)

[Dust Bunnies]

If there was no God then how can such a complex universe be made?

[Schrödinger's Cat]

If there is no God--aren't I god?

Define god.


Why (if there is no ultimate moral consequence to my actions) isn't anything I damn well decide to do "fair?"

Relatively speaking, killing another human adult because he took your milk money fifty years ago could be considered fair. That doesn't mean the rest of us will agree.


What is fair?

Depends on the source. Depends if the source follows logic or if s/he's a YE creationist. :laugh:

[Lord Testicles]

If there was no God then how can such a complex universe be made?

Why do you need a god for a complex universe?

It would be akin to me saying, "How can I get a signal on my phone without the aid of signal pixies?"

[Dust Bunnies]

hehe I like the pixies part. I don't think a signal is as complex as our physics, genetics, and what ever else you can think of.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

If there was no God then how can such a complex universe be made?
Look, I'm a Christian, but that's a really, really weak argument. What makes you think the universe is complex? Complex compared to what? You don't have any other universes to compare it to and decide that it is more or less complex.

[Lord Testicles]

hehe I like the pixies part. I don't think a signal is as complex as our physics, genetics, and what ever else you can think of.

Just because it is complex (we don't understand it yet) doesn't mean there was a god involved. A few hundred years ago a mobile phone would have been unfathomable, does that mean a god is involved? evidently not.

[The Intransigent Faction]

Er..I don't rely on an imaginary friend in the sky whose killed hundreds of thousands of people for moral guidance, thanks. In fact I've seen some pretty immoral actions committed by believers.
That and a God is not necessary for complexity. Nobody said that a signal was as complex as a human being/the entire universe in which we live. The point was that for something complex to exist does not require the existence of some magical being(s).

[Module]

Something being 'fair' is 'decided' by the society you live in, and how the patterns of interaction between the individuals in that society.
God has nothing to do with it.

[RHIZOMES]

What is fair?

Why (if there is no ultimate moral consequence to my actions) isn't anything I damn well decide to do "fair?"

it's a little fucked up that you assume people would do something wrong to someone simply because there is no consequence to their actions. it's a little more complicated than that, the only people who would do that are sociopaths and psychopaths.


If there is no God--aren't I god?

No because you didn't create the universe.

[Sentinel]

If there is no God--aren't I god?Precise point of anti-theism. The freedom of deciding for yourself, for all! Of course, people will still have to abide to the rules of the society, but that is in their rational self-interests. :)

[Bandito]

Ignorance makes people believers.
The question about "complex universe" is pretty much ridiculous,but very often heard.
When a primitive humans saw a lightening,their ignorance gave them the root of later religion. Back then,the question "What is that bright thing in the sky?" is the same one you asked about the "Complex universe". Just in different times.