Is violence against capitalists is justified? - I think so

[kidicarus20]

Do you think violence against Imperialists (capitalists and imperialists and fascists are all about the same) is justified? i do. Che did.

I think capitalists need to learn that there is going to be consequences for being capitalist.

Think of a real anarchist society, not anarcho-capitalism (idiot shit), what happens when some greedy person starts stealing what's being produced or tries to rule the work force. they'd probably do away with him. and i use greedy instead of capitalist because this is a real anarchist example, capitalists couldn't exist in anarchy.

But yah, in this example we see hwo violence against greedy people is justified because they are trying to destroy the society, but for some reason we allow capitalists of america to control our future and chose our destiny. We have to go wherever money is currently being made, we can't use our skills for what we want to be doing. Whereas in anarcho-syndicalism one of the main goals of it is to take care of everybody, what humans are suppose to be doing, or take care of yourself, grow your own food on your own land or devide the crop land up evenly like they did in some areas of england. the point is there would be more logical solutions to problems and it's to each his own ability not working for someone else's ability and production.

Thoughts? comments?

[Napalm Dust]

I think to overcome capatilism, fascism etc. Then violence is the only way.
It's no use explaining to a capatalist why his ways are wrong etc.
But I wouldn't kill someone in the street because they were a fascist. (i'd do it in an alley)

"Only in battle shall the enemy be harmed" ;Napalm Dust

[Xvall]

Eew! Anarcho-Capitalism!!
That would be like it is now, except no rules about embezzling/stealing money. So Enron and World Com could do whatever they want! Anarcho-Capitalism would basically beome some Mafia/Gang country. That and there's no government to decide what is legal tender.

[suffianr]

Violence is never justified. When you start butchering people just for being what they are or for living their lives the way they do, revolution becomes genocide. True, you don't hate people for what they are, but for what they do. Violence, however, is not necessarily the only way, Mao's references to shotguns notwithstanding...

Have faith. Capitalism has been around for a long time. It is merely a transitional stage. Our day will come, comrade.

[kidicarus20]

Nice replies. I agree with what napalm.

We've tried negotiating and comprimising with capitalists, they just lie and end up cheatin everybody more. Violence is justified against a corrupt and evil government like capitalism.
What you'd do is get enough people to support you then try and get them to start leading the country in a new direction, however sometimes capitalists are blocking you, so you gotta remove them from power, just like che did.

He made the country Much better for cubans.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 4:19 pm on July 11, 2002
Eew! Anarcho-Capitalism!!
That would be like it is now, except no rules about embezzling/stealing money. So Enron and World Com could do whatever they want! Anarcho-Capitalism would basically beome some Mafia/Gang country. That and there's no government to decide what is legal tender.


Basically, the current russia.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from kidicarus20 on 4:47 pm on July 11, 2002
Nice replies. I agree with what napalm.

We've tried negotiating and comprimising with capitalists, they just lie and end up cheatin everybody more. Violence is justified against a corrupt and evil government like capitalism.
What you'd do is get enough people to support you then try and get them to start leading the country in a new direction, however sometimes capitalists are blocking you, so you gotta remove them from power, just like che did.

He made the country Much better for cubans.


So you want to conduct violence against those that have been more successful than you? Those that have given mankind the greatest inventions and advancements of the last 150 years? Those that encourage individual liberty and responsibility, just because they are not giving you a hand-out?

Well, come on then, step up. I don't know where you are from, but I bet dollars to donuts that the average american would pound you ass into the sand.

[suffianr]

"...the average american would pound you ass into the sand."

Oh, come on, I thought you were better than that, Biff. Enough with the football-jock bullshit, eh? The average american is overweight, or so I read somewhere... :P

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from suffianr on 6:19 pm on July 11, 2002
"...the average american would pound you ass into the sand."

Oh, come on, I thought you were better than that, Biff. Enough with the football-jock bullshit, eh? The average american is overweight, or so I read somewhere... :P


So what? an overweight person can throw a very hard punch. its not like we are just wallowing hippos, weare big people with a lot of muscle, to. Go to an american construction site and see if you can take on those "overweight" people.

Besides, who started this thread? I was only responding.

I do see you responded to the intiator, and I appreciate that.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from kidicarus20 on 9:44 am on July 11, 2002
Do you think violence against Imperialists (capitalists and imperialists and fascists are all about the same) is justified? i do. Che did.Che thought that legitimate war against capitalists was justified. Che did not go around shooting innocent people, rich or poor, when he was a little kid, and neither should you.

If you care so much about poor people, volunteer for Habitat for Humanity or send money to a REAL left-wing army.

Lindsay

[kidicarus20]

"Well, come on then, step up. I don't know where you are from, but I bet dollars to donuts that the average american would pound you ass into the sand. "

That proves you're a pussy and have never even bene in a fight.

Why do republicans always say dumb ass shit like that?

I would pound YOUR ass in the sand. you fat fuck, no fat people dont pack a punch, people who bench and have muscle in their arm do. Fat people are slow and weak, you can be fat and have some muscle, like the lead singer of blood for blood is tough, but it's not hte most case.

I'm not violent at all, and i weight 160-165, i bench but i dont get in fights like some stupid jock. but any straight-edger could obviousl ybeat up this right-wing capitalist.

Ii've "challenged' capitalists before, like at anti-state, they act tough on the message boards but when i tried to callt his one capitalist that was talkin shit to organize a fight and IMED him on aim they just banned me when he posted the transcripts, stupid wussies.


Capitalists are nerds 90 percent of the time. go to any capitalist site and see their pics, 90 percent nerds

last poster, that's what i said i said in the case that we get enough supporters but capitaists wont move over.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from kidicarus20 on 12:32 am on July 12, 2002
"Well, come on then, step up. I don't know where you are from, but I bet dollars to donuts that the average american would pound you ass into the sand. "

That proves you're a pussy and have never even bene in a fight.

Why do republicans always say dumb ass shit like that?

I would pound YOUR ass in the sand. you fat fuck, no fat people dont pack a punch, people who bench and have muscle in their arm do. Fat people are slow and weak, you can be fat and have some muscle, like the lead singer of blood for blood is tough, but it's not hte most case.

I'm not violent at all, and i weight 160-165, i bench but i dont get in fights like some stupid jock. but any straight-edger could obviousl ybeat up this right-wing capitalist.

Ii've "challenged' capitalists before, like at anti-state, they act tough on the message boards but when i tried to callt his one capitalist that was talkin shit to organize a fight and IMED him on aim they just banned me when he posted the transcripts, stupid wussies.


Capitalists are nerds 90 percent of the time. go to any capitalist site and see their pics, 90 percent nerds

last poster, that's what i said i said in the case that we get enough supporters but capitaists wont move over.

Wow, looks like I struck a nerve.

You've probably have been bullied a lot. Dude, you are so whack iis not even funny. You have no idea what you are talking about. Fat people can't pack a punch? Have you ever seen butterbean? (I'm not fat, by the way)

You are truly an idiot, acting tough on an internet posting board. That, my friend, is the sign of a wuss.

"i tried to callt his one capitalist that was talkin shit to organize a fight and IMED him on aim they just banned me when he posted the transcripts, stupid wussies."

Man, you are hella desperate for someone to think you are tough, because you obviously can't pass yourself off as smart.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from kidicarus20 on 12:32 am on July 12, 2002
fat people dont pack a punch, people who bench and have muscle in their arm do.


Most of the power in a good punch comes from the whole body, not the arm. This actually proves that it is you who can't fight. I don't know if you've been in one, but if you have you probably got beat down like a punk.

And you are ignorant.

[death b4 dishonour]

The fights that i have been in, i didnt see my opponent using his whole body to throw the punch, but rather short jabs which are probably more effective. Throwing all your weight into a punch isnt exactly the smartest thing to do. Its easier to predict where the punch will land and easy to counter with a jab.

[Mazdak]

Violence against evil is always justifiable. To win a war against capitalism, you must have casualties (at least on the capitalist side). And fat people can be strong, that is if they can actually catch up with what they are trying to attack. They are slow, and they tire easily. And an army of fat guys is easier to shoot at then an army of starving thin people.

Anyone who says violence is not necessary is a fool. As the Shining Light said, "when you get new shoes, you have to throw away the old ones."

[Lardlad95]

kidicarus20, violience is never justified. There should never be reason to hurt someone.

However if you are fighting in a revolution. Then yeah its ok to fight. If some cappies are pushing you around then its ok to beat they asses.

but if your talking to someone and they are like,"yea I'm a capitalist"

and you start whoopin' that guys ass with a baseball bat that isn't cool.

As long as it isn't meanigless. If you have a reason you can hold up in a court (not including the revolution thing cuz aint no cappie court gonna justify that)
its all good

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 9:01 pm on July 11, 2002
Dude, you are so whack iis not even funny. You have no idea what you are talking about. Fat people can't pack a punch?Am I the only one who laughed at this?

Lindsay

[Guest]

Quote: from death b4 dishonour on 2:10 am on July 12, 2002
The fights that i have been in, i didnt see my opponent using his whole body to throw the punch, but rather short jabs which are probably more effective. Throwing all your weight into a punch isnt exactly the smartest thing to do. Its easier to predict where the punch will land and easy to counter with a jab.


This is CI...
Jabs are effective, but they wont put anyone away. A KO punch has body weight behind it, look at pro fighters.

Besides, a real fight on the street is not a boxing match, it always ends up more like grappling and wrestling on the ground

[kidicarus20]

"You've probably have been bullied a lot. Dude, you are so whack iis not even funny. You have no idea what you are talking about. Fat people can't pack a punch? Have you ever seen butterbean? (I'm not fat, by the way)

You are truly an idiot, acting tough on an internet posting board. That, my friend, is the sign of a wuss"


No. that's YOU.

You said you'd "beat me into the ground", all talk no action.


". This actually proves that it is you who can't fight. I don't know if you've been in one, but if you have you probably got beat down like a punk.

"


You've never been in a fight in your life.

"Man, you are hella desperate for someone to think you are tough, because you obviously can't pass yourself off as smart.

"

You think ronald reagan is the best president and it takes 10 years for economic policy to "kick in"

[Stormin Norman]

Yeah, I guess you could justify indisciminant violence against capitalists. That is if you are a terrorist, someone who uses violence or terror to achieve a political end. You sir, are a supporter of terrorism.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 9:56 pm on July 12, 2002)

[American Kid]

Ugh...............you suck............go back in your video game.

Scratch that-FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE video game. I believe it's not without irony that someone as annoying as you is named after an ancient Nintendo game I'd considered tossing off my roof out of frusteration on more than one occasion.

However, if you wanna talk war, then do it. Come on revolutionary, use any means necessary to change the world for your better. You know everything. All the poor people, they're in your corner. Right? Well they must be, you're invoking they're name. They must endorse you. After all, they're pathetic little peons without dignity who NEED someone like you to be their voice. Ugh, what a heart...........What a big heart.........There must hardly be enough room left over for all those muscles, Andre.

Hey, dude, BRAH, you wanna talk violence? You have all the answers? Then do it, kid! What are you waiting for? You wanna take down all the greedy cappies? We're right here, guy! I wear Nikes. I went to McDonald's yesterday. Wut?

You anarchists are fucking crazy. I said it. I plan on saying it again. I look forward to you giving me good reasons.

Semper Fi.

Seatle '00

Oy!

-Your worst nightmare

WUT?

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 9:06 am on July 12, 2002
Yeah, I guess you could justify indisciminant violence against capitalists. That is if you are a terrorist, someone who uses violence or terror to achieve a political end. You sir, are a supporter of terrorism.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 9:56 pm on July 12, 2002)


so the american colonists were terrorists? they used violence to achieve political ends.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 4:06 am on July 12, 2002
Yeah, I guess you could justify indisciminant violence against capitalists. That is if you are a terrorist, someone who uses violence or terror to achieve a political end. You sir, are a supporter of terrorism.
I agree with you completely, Norman.

Lindsay

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from American Kid on 3:38 pm on July 12, 2002
Ugh...............you suck............go back in your video game.

Scratch that-FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE video game. I believe it's not without irony that someone as annoying as you is named after an ancient Nintendo game I'd considered tossing off my roof out of frusteration on more than one occasion.

However, if you wanna talk war, then do it. Come on revolutionary, use any means necessary to change the world for your better. You know everything. All the poor people, they're in your corner. Right? Well they must be, you're invoking they're name. They must endorse you. After all, they're pathetic little peons without dignity who NEED someone like you to be their voice. Ugh, what a heart...........What a big heart.........There must hardly be enough room left over for all those muscles, Andre.

Hey, dude, BRAH, you wanna talk violence? You have all the answers? Then do it, kid! What are you waiting for? You wanna take down all the greedy cappies? We're right here, guy! I wear Nikes. I went to McDonald's yesterday. Wut?

You anarchists are fucking crazy. I said it. I plan on saying it again. I look forward to you giving me good reasons.

Semper Fi.

Seatle '00

Oy!

-Your worst nightmare

WUT?


Yeah, AK, thats what I'm talkin' about! (hand in fist, circular motion), whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop!!!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 5:07 pm on July 12, 2002

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 9:06 am on July 12, 2002
Yeah, I guess you could justify indisciminant violence against capitalists. That is if you are a terrorist, someone who uses violence or terror to achieve a political end. You sir, are a supporter of terrorism.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 9:56 pm on July 12, 2002)

so the american colonists were terrorists? they used violence to achieve political ends.


A revolutionary war on your own land against soldiers is not terrorism.

Lets not start to use the "T" word so broadly that in diminishes its significance.

[Hattori Hanzo]

violence is probably nessecary, but if not, then screw it!

[Moskitto]

Neah, violence against capitalists doesn't seem right, violence against nazis on the other hand is ok because, well. Obvious reasons.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 9:12 pm on July 12, 2002
Neah, violence against capitalists doesn't seem right, violence against nazis on the other hand is ok because, well. Obvious reasons.

agreed

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 7:54 pm on July 12, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 5:07 pm on July 12, 2002

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 9:06 am on July 12, 2002
Yeah, I guess you could justify indisciminant violence against capitalists. That is if you are a terrorist, someone who uses violence or terror to achieve a political end. You sir, are a supporter of terrorism.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 9:56 pm on July 12, 2002)

so the american colonists were terrorists? they used violence to achieve political ends.


A revolutionary war on your own land against soldiers is not terrorism.

Lets not start to use the "T" word so broadly that in diminishes its significance.


you know that wasn't their land. Even if it was it really belonged to Britian.

Also then why did all those muthafuckas call Che and Castro terrorists? That was Castro's home. So he wan't a terrorist either.

[Guest]

Violence is only justified depending on where you are. Che would not have supported a violent revolution in the USA. Batista was a dictator. There is stiff a form of democracy in the US. As long as there is democracy, even a corrupt one, violence can not be justified.

[GuerillaPurserTwo]

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