A zionist attempt to defend Israel.

[Dr Mindbender]

Before anyone thinks this is my sentiment, I'm posting this in OI merely to trigger a hopefully informitive debate that can improve my knowledge.

Some zionist guy from youtube who likes to argue with me insisted I watch this link, but I'm not historically well educated enough to refute the claims in it.

Any feedback?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLmc8PMuZmI&feature=inbox

[spartan]

That was an intresting video to watch though at the end it stated clearly "Based on the pamphlet "Why Israel is The Victim" by David Horowitz".

DAVID HOROWITZ!

It loses all credibility.

[Dr Mindbender]

That was an intresting video to watch though at the end it stated clearly "Based on the pamphlet "Why Israel is The Victim" by David Horowitz".

DAVID HOROWITZ!

It loses all credibility.

Rather than focussing on the nature of the video maker, I'd rather focus on the claims being made as I want to learn the counter arguments to them.

[Faux Real]

There was no Arab state or nation called "Palestine" in the middle east in 1948. Or ever.

There was no "Palestinian" nation that the Jews could steal. Or "occupy".This is true. However that does not change the fact that Arabs were the majority and when the UN resolution to create two states a disproportionate amount of land was given to Israel. It's not a "Land without a people for a people without a land" as there were obviously Arabs living there before the Nakba. Also, why should anyone care if there wasn't a "Palestine" if it was, before the British Empire controlled it, promised to be part of a much larger single Arab state for siding with the British against the Ottomans in WWI. Undoubtedly there is a Palestine being occupied now, and it's full of refugees from the land now part of Israel.

For four hundred years until World War I, the Middle East was ruled by the Turks. There was no Palestine, no Jordan, no Lebanon, no Syria, and no Iraq. They were all created by the European powers out of the ruins of the Turkish empire.This only proves there shouldn't be any of these states in the first place as the borders were arbitrarily set up by imperialist powers and their local cronies that were promised positions of power.

The Jews have lived continuously in Palestine for 3,700 years.Yet they were not the only people living there, and for that matter they were a minority until the Zionist project took off.
Since the 19th Century, the Jews were a majority of the Population in Jerusalem.A sly attempt to imply they were the majority. Of course they were a majority, just like Christians, but how does this explain the division between east and west Jerusalem today? It doesn't.

Israel has as much a right to exist in the Middle East as do any of these Arab states.If a "Jewish state" has a right to exist there so does a "Christian state". It should be a land free of borders in the first place. It has been that way for who knows how long. This presentation does not explain why should it be at the cost of the local population if the Arabs were not responsible for the Holocaust.

The Jews have been one of the most persecuted and oppressed peoples on the face of the earth.While living quite well within the Arab/Muslim world. European Jews living under Christian/Catholic lands did not have it nearly as well.
The Nazis set out to eradicate Jews from the human race.And the Zionists set out to ethnically cleanse the areas of Israel and Palestine in a similar fashion. Why should Zionists invoke the Holocaust as a reason for Israel in the Middle East when it was Nazi Germany who was responsible.

They nearly succeeded.Lolwut? 6m Jewish deaths is a tragic number but shouldn't trade unionists, communists, GLBTs, and handicapped/disabled persons have their own states as well by that logic? Again, how were the people in Palestine to blame.
Many of the six million Jews the Nazis murdered could have been saved if any country had allowed them refuge. But none did.Appeals to emotion can be manipulative... this still does not explain the logic behind the Zionist state.
The Palestine Mandate was a Piece of the defeated Turkish empire. The British promised to make the Mandate a homeland for the Jews.The reason for this situation was because during WWI the British betrayed the Arab Hashemite clan after promising them their own state in return for betraying the Ottoman empire. Why should this state created out through deception be considered legitimate.

But in 1922, Winston Churchill gave 80% of Palestine to the Arabs. Today this is the state of Jordan, whose population is mainly Palestinian Arabs. Jordan would be the Palestinian state if that was all the Arabs wanted. But they don't.
In 1948 the United Nations divided the 20% that was left of the Mandate in two parts. One for the Arabs, the other for the Jews. Sixty percent of the new Israel was arid desert.They received the most fertile land, and it was more than 20%, Transjordan was already a separate state. Jews were given 56%, Arabs 44%. This part of a documentary (US, you should watch the whole thing if you haven't already) deals with the carving up of Israel/Palestine: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GM1ruYCS6JY

The Jewish settlers went to work.Good classification, they were colonizing settlers. About time this presentation correctly asserts something.

The Jews made the desert bloom. Funded by the United Nations with billions of U.S. and Israel dollars for economic development, the Arabs could have done the same. Instead their money went into their leaders' Swiss Bank Accounts for funding ethnic hatred and terrorism.Reason being these "leaders" are opportunists beholden to foreign capitalist investment and do not have the interest of its people in mind. Its hilarious that the person shows pictures of Gaza under flames, smoke, and destruction when that is caused by the IDF. They should also watch this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVy5XHjuGI

Anyway I'm done with this, the video is simple to refute but watching these shitty "arguments" is getting too painful to endure.

[Sky]

Since the 19th Century, the Jews were a majority of the Population in Jerusalem.

This statistic is highly misleading, for it only considers the population of a rather minor town in Palestine. Taking into account all of Palestine, the Arabs were the overwhelmingly majority.

In 1897, Jews were the majority nationlity in Minsk, Belorussia (51 percent). Does it then follow that Belorussia should belong to the Jews?

In Kuala Lumpur, the majority have long been Chinese. Does this mean that the entire Malayan archipelago belongs to China?


Since the 19th Century, the Jews were a majority of the Population in Jerusalem.

This statistic is highly misleading, for it only considers the population of a rather minor town in Palestine. Taking into account all of Palestine, the Arabs were the overwhelmingly majority.

In 1897, Jews were the majority nationlity in Minsk, Belorussia (51 percent). Does it then follow that Belorussia should belong to the Jews?

In Kuala Lumpur, the majority have long been Chinese. Does this mean that the entire Malayan archipelago belongs to China?



The Jews have been one of the most persecuted and oppressed peoples on the face of the earth.

There is nothing peculiar about persecution endured by the Jews. Many other peoples have endured what one might consider persecution.



The Jews have lived continuously in Palestine for 3,700 years.

So what? There has been a Greek and Armenian presence in Palestine for the past 2000+ years.



For four hundred years until World War I, the Middle East was ruled by the Turks. There was no Palestine, no Jordan, no Lebanon, no Syria, and no Iraq. They were all created by the European powers out of the ruins of the Turkish empire.


If anything, there is not a cohesive, unified Jewish nation. Jews with European roots share nothing in common with Jews from Arab countries, Iran, Ethiopia, and elsewhere. "Israel" today is in fact characterized by a high degree of racial segregation and inequality.