Russian pilot at fault [Archive]

Brian

2nd July 2002, 19:58

American Soldier: shit a taliban soldier......call a fucking airstrike.
American Soldier:Shit they missed and bombed some canadians,run.
Its funny how America thinks Osama was is in Afghnaistan still,the man is not a idiot he left the day before the attack and those video's were made months before anything happened.

RedCeltic

2nd July 2002, 20:07

CI, Are you a total idiot or what?

The crash was due to the computer in the bowing taking one plane into a dive while air control told the pilot of the other to dive...

Capitalist Imperial

2nd July 2002, 20:29

Quote: from IzmSchism on 7:32 pm on July 2, 2002
I will add the heroic failure of the US bomber that killed 40 at a wedding party in Kandahar. ahh the proof that a capitalist pilots ability = capitalist system is a failure = CI is a doof.

Wedding party my ass, they were firing at us. Don't believe their B.S., that was hostile fire and we were responding, and what a pilot does has nothing to do with economics.

Izmschism thinks pilot skills are correlated to economics= izmschizm is a doof.

Moskitto

2nd July 2002, 20:42

from what I heard, The crash was more to do with language barriers.

Wedding party my ass, they were firing at us. Don't believe their B.S., that was hostile fire and we were responding, and what a pilot does has nothing to do with economics.

Izmschism thinks pilot skills are correlated to economics= izmschizm is a doof.

Yet

Apparently the russian pilot in that crash over germany had 50 seconds to avoid the crash. Not surprising, this is the uusal level of ex-commie pilots' ability.

I don't understand, it's hard understanding scitzothrenics.

Capitalist Imperial

2nd July 2002, 20:47

Quote: from Moskitto on 8:42 pm on July 2, 2002
from what I heard, The crash was more to do with language barriers.

Wedding party my ass, they were firing at us. Don't believe their B.S., that was hostile fire and we were responding, and what a pilot does has nothing to do with economics.

Izmschism thinks pilot skills are correlated to economics= izmschizm is a doof.

Yet

Apparently the russian pilot in that crash over germany had 50 seconds to avoid the crash. Not surprising, this is the uusal level of ex-commie pilots' ability.

I don't understand, it's hard understanding scitzothrenics.

Moskitto, I was referring to the russian pilots training under a certain regime, not saying communism itself had anything to do with it. Izmchism tried to discredit americn pilot skills due to capitalism, which is a falso correlation to say the least. These are 2 totally different concepts.

PunkRawker677

2nd July 2002, 20:49

Actually, the russian plane was given 25 second warning (previous reports of two minute warnings were retracted and 25 seconds stands as the final official time) when he began to dive, the other planes collision system told the plane to dive so both planes dove into each other. The airlines and Russian officials have already declared that the russian pilot had over 30 years of experience and spoke fluent english (English is the universal laguage for air control towers therefore all pilots need to speak english, if they dont, they wouldnt last thirty years)

The people were firing at a U.S. jet during a wedding? how interesting.. seems like a wedding plan!

Capitalist Imperial

2nd July 2002, 20:55

Hey, its afghanistan, I wouldn't be surprised. Besides, they "say" it was a wedding party. Who knows?

Anyway, if you are going to shoot of weapons in the air in a war-zone where you know american aircraft are flying, what do you expect?

Moskitto

2nd July 2002, 21:04

You expect that the US pilots with their unrivaled skills and flying experience, would notice that it's a wedding party and with there unrivalled professionalism, do not bomb it.

Capitalist Imperial

2nd July 2002, 21:32

Have you ever seen what a wedding party firing weapons in the air looks like from 10,000 or even 5000 feet? It looks like a group of people firing at you.

Guest

2nd July 2002, 21:49

CI

What are you to question Afghan traditions.
For your info if the plane was flying at 5000 ft no bullet from an AK would have reached half that distance verticaly.

1st US Pilot: Stop spunking over the control stick
2nd US Pilot: Sorry
1st US Pilot: Oops I just hit the fire button
2nd US Pilot: Its hit that group of people
1st US Pilot: Oh hell (pissing themselves) they are firing in self defence.
2nd US Pilot: (going slightly red) FINISH THEM
1st US Pilot: Yes got them with the napalm
2nd US Pilot: Won't we get spanked
1st US Pilot: No, we'll just say they provoked us and get that bald idiot Colin Powell to bail us out. Who the hell will dare to question us. We're american

Red Revolution

2nd July 2002, 21:53

I wrote the above post. It wouldn't let me edit it after i forgot to enter username and password.

Capitalist Imperial

2nd July 2002, 22:41

VERY FUNNY

James

2nd July 2002, 23:08

There was also only one person in the tower at the time, the other was "on a break"

James

2nd July 2002, 23:13

Have you ever seen what a wedding party firing weapons in the air looks like from 10,000 or even 5000 feet?

No. Have you?

You would imagine that the americans in their big fancy expensive planes would be able to tell though...don't you?

Capitalist Imperial

2nd July 2002, 23:31

Not necessarily, a big expensive plane does not necessarily have a telemetric scope to allow one to actually see up close activities on the ground.

IzmSchism

2nd July 2002, 23:35

Quote:this is the uusal level of ex-commie pilots' ability.

seriously, I was just playing on this line you wrote which made no sense to me, so I followed up that with your logic with my rhetoric. That is all.

death b4 dishonour

2nd July 2002, 23:36

First of all, the wedding was in a really rural area, and its tradition to fire weapons in the air after weddings.

Second of all, the report I read said that it was a stray 2000 lb bomb from a B-52 that was bombing some caves nearby.

And, how they came up with the fact that it was anti-aircraft fire is bullshit. The fact that they claim they saw anti aircraft fire from an AK 47 is dumb, if they were firing at an aircraft at night, they would have been using tracers like the Canadian soldiers were, to help lead the target, etc. This was just another accident the US refuses to take blame for, so they came up with the story they were being fired upon.

(Edited by death b4 dishonour at 7:39 am on July 3, 2002)

Brian

2nd July 2002, 23:49

Anti Aircraft guns they had were 30mm ,20mm chain guns.Theres no way those rounds made it that high and could be seen,America is just covering up its fuck up with "they fired at us".

Capitalist Imperial

3rd July 2002, 00:21

OK,OK, hold on people, now reports are suggesting it was a C-130 gunship (a beautiful thing) that may have fired on the ground, and not an errant bomb. One of the Americans involved also stated that when parties fire in the air out of celebration it is erratic and scattered, but this was concentrated and seemed to be ttracking the plane. Perhaps we all (including me) should reserve judgement until the facts are in.

Brian

3rd July 2002, 00:31

Even if they were attacking none of the AK rounds would have hit plane,there was no threat....they just wanted to bomb.

(Edited by Brian at 6:32 pm on July 2, 2002)

Capitalist Imperial

3rd July 2002, 00:47

Quote: from Brian on 12:31 am on July 3, 2002
Even if they were attacking none of the AK rounds would have hit plane,there was no threat....they just wanted to bomb.

So what? If they were willing to attack then, they would be willing to attack when they ARE in range, so why wouldn't we take them out?

(Edited by Brian at 6:32 pm on July 2, 2002)

RedCeltic

3rd July 2002, 03:36

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 6:21 pm on July 2, 2002
OK,OK, hold on people, now reports are suggesting it was a C-130 gunship (a beautiful thing) that may have fired on the ground, and not an errant bomb. One of the Americans involved also stated that when parties fire in the air out of celebration it is erratic and scattered, but this was concentrated and seemed to be ttracking the plane. Perhaps we all (including me) should reserve judgement until the facts are in.

I agree with CI's statement here. I wouldn't put much stock in broad speculation when it isn't clear exactly what the facts are.

death b4 dishonour

3rd July 2002, 04:24

i too did hear somethign about a gunship in the area also. this is an article from one of my local papers:

"In Kandahar, one survivor, Abdul Qayyum, told reporters at the Mir Wais Hospital that after the attack, the Americans came to the area demanding to know 'who fired on the helicopters' "

So there may have been something else going on.

Child of Revolution

3rd July 2002, 13:50

CI, your'e a dirty bastard and you need to wash your spotty face.

CI is spotty. HAHAHA

libereco

3rd July 2002, 13:52

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 12:21 am on July 3, 2002
OK,OK, hold on people, now reports are suggesting it was a C-130 gunship (a beautiful thing) that may have fired on the ground, and not an errant bomb. One of the Americans involved also stated that when parties fire in the air out of celebration it is erratic and scattered, but this was concentrated and seemed to be ttracking the plane. Perhaps we all (including me) should reserve judgement until the facts are in.

you'd think that instead of just pointing fingers and accusing the people at the wedding you might have just a bit of balls and at least say something along the lines of "i'm not sure who's at fault but it's sad that this happened". I mean after all you bombed your allies - you know.
Buuuut of course it couldn't have been a mistake, the regime never makes mistakes after all!!!

oh and about the planecrash. While i don't feel a need to support the udssr in any way i don't think you can blame this crash on bad training...
under capitalist rule in russia the pilots aren't even getting paid enough to survive without nightjobs, if the tv-program i saw about this was true. anyway, 50 seconds is shit when heading towards another plane in mid-air. You do know how fast those things fly right?
A german pilot i saw interviewed said he'd expect a warning at least 5-10 minutes prior to collision.

and yes one of the flight controllers was on a break. and yes they had their warning system turned off. http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?...StoryID=1160578 (http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=topnews&StoryID=1160578)

guerrillaradio

3rd July 2002, 14:13

CI, you're OK really, but sometimes you can be a stereotyping ****. Get over yourself and stop blaming Communism for everything from AIDS to earthquakes. Try and be a little subjective for once.

RedCeltic

3rd July 2002, 15:21

OK, The latest information this morning said that the people at that wedding party where standing close to an anti aircraft gun that was the target of the C130 gunship.

Edelweiss

3rd July 2002, 15:32

Well, as always the capitalist system is the true perpetrator. The fault was mainly caused by the flight surveillance, which just was privatized. As you can see in many examples, like the privatisation of the brithish railways, the capitlists aren't interested to pay for security, their only interest is the optimation of their profits.

Capitalist Imperial

3rd July 2002, 16:43

Quote: from Child of Revolution on 1:50 pm on July 3, 2002
CI, your'e a dirty bastard and you need to wash your spotty face.

CI is spotty. HAHAHA

What do you mean by "spotty"?

Capitalist Imperial

3rd July 2002, 16:56

Quote: from Malte on 3:32 pm on July 3, 2002
Well, as always the capitalist system is the true perpetrator. The fault was mainly caused by the flight surveillance, which just was privatized. As you can see in many examples, like the privatisation of the brithish railways, the capitlists aren't interested to pay for security, their only interest is the optimation of their profits.

B.S., Malte! Privitization has nothing to do with personal ineptitude!!! To blame this incident on capitalism is pathetic!

RedCeltic

3rd July 2002, 17:08

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 10:56 am on July 3, 2002

Quote: from Malte on 3:32 pm on July 3, 2002
Well, as always the capitalist system is the true perpetrator. The fault was mainly caused by the flight surveillance, which just was privatized. As you can see in many examples, like the privatisation of the brithish railways, the capitlists aren't interested to pay for security, their only interest is the optimation of their profits.

B.S., Malte! Privitization has nothing to do with personal ineptitude!!! To blame this incident on capitalism is pathetic!

And to blame the incident on communism is pathetic.

Capitalist Imperial

3rd July 2002, 17:22

I know, but i didn't blame the incident on communism itself, but I blamed it on the old regime and its training tactics!

libereco

3rd July 2002, 17:25

way to ignore my link to an article about the incident, and the fact that the swiss air controlers fucked up... (hint: it isn't even an opinion piece but a report)

Edelweiss

3rd July 2002, 17:41

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 4:56 pm on July 3, 2002

Quote: from Malte on 3:32 pm on July 3, 2002
Well, as always the capitalist system is the true perpetrator. The fault was mainly caused by the flight surveillance, which just was privatized. As you can see in many examples, like the privatisation of the brithish railways, the capitlists aren't interested to pay for security, their only interest is the optimation of their profits.

B.S., Malte! Privitization has nothing to do with personal ineptitude!!! To blame this incident on capitalism is pathetic!

No, it's a fact that privatisation of public tasks often is connected with a lack of security. A perfect example is the brithish railway that I already mentioned.

Capitalist Imperial

3rd July 2002, 17:43

Quote: from libereco on 5:25 pm on July 3, 2002
way to ignore my link to an article about the incident, and the fact that the swiss air controlers fucked up... (hint: it isn't even an opinion piece but a report)

I didn't ignore it, I am aware of the new info, but even at jet aircraft speeds, 25 seconds is enough time to avoid a mid-air collision!

Capitalist Imperial

3rd July 2002, 17:46

Quote: from Malte on 5:41 pm on July 3, 2002

No, it's a fact that privatisation of public tasks often is connected with a lack of security. A perfect example is the brithish railway that I already mentioned.

But this had little to do with security and more about personal attention to the matter at hand. Besides, I could argue that communism leads to lack of motivation and attention to detail!

PunkRawker677

5th July 2002, 19:16

"25 seconds is enough time to avoid a mid-air collision!"

I hate personal insults, so just take this as a general, non-personal insult. YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON!

The russian pilot DID dive to avoid the other plane, yet the other plane's computer systems told them to dive as well, so they dove into EACH OTHER. THE AIR CONTROLLERS AND THE 2ND AIRPLANE'S COMPUTERS WHERE AT FAULT!

Capitalist Imperial

5th July 2002, 19:25

Quote: from PunkRawker677 on 7:16 pm on July 5, 2002
"25 seconds is enough time to avoid a mid-air collision!"

I hate personal insults, so just take this as a general, non-personal insult. YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON!

The russian pilot DID dive to avoid the other plane, yet the other plane's computer systems told them to dive as well, so they dove into EACH OTHER. THE AIR CONTROLLERS AND THE 2ND AIRPLANE'S COMPUTERS WHERE AT FAULT!

Actually, that was a personal insult, but it is OK, it is par for the course for you.

More importantly, it is indicitive of the fact that you don't argue/debate very well.