stupid american probiganda [Archive]

American Kid

1st July 2002, 02:10

What's "probiganda"?

The japs bombed preal (sic) harbor because they wanted to take over the world. And they were coward pricks. We dropped an atomic device on them because they were flying planes deliberately into our air craft carrriers off the coast of Japan and if something decisive didn't happen soon WE'D all STILL probably be out there fighting them. They weren't going to give up. If they had (wisely) then none of those innocent people would have died at Hiroshima or Nagasaki. That's war, lefty.

And as far as the trade center goes. I wonder if that had been your sister, at her job bright and early, at her desk, when suddenly a plane crashes into the building a few floors below, smoke rises up and she finds herself at the window ledge, 90 floors above the concrete, pondering whether to stay where she is and die with thick, black smoke slowly filling her lungs, or take a dive and end it after a 30-second long drop, if you'd be so quick to whine about what happened to the pompous Taliban, and the consequences to their people after those assholes decided not to simply give Osama up when they had the chance.

All they have to do is look at the stock newsreel footage of Japan circa Aug. 1945 to see how lucky they truly are.

-AK

Mazdak

1st July 2002, 02:31

The Us has the greatest propoganda machine in history.

Field Marshal

1st July 2002, 02:39

Apache is right when he says that Left-wing Commie should take some more time with his posts so that people can clearly understand what he is syaing.
185,000? I wonder when people stopped counting. If you include the deaths from the cancer-causing radiation that has continually been killing for years after the drop, well then, when will the numbers end?

American Kid, you too should be amazed at the lack of your intelligence on WW2. Pearl Harbor was not attacked because the Japanese wanted to take over the world. Rather, it was because the Japanese felt pressure from an entire US fleet was attack range of Japanese territory. Japan needed to make up for it's lost oil from it's US trade partner, so they were advancing in China. They wanted to cover their rear, so they attack the fleet at Pearl Harbor. Also, new evidence is showing that the President and others knew that the attack was going to be at Pearl Harbor, but did nothing about it.

One more thing:
The Japanese weren't aware of the power of the atomic bomb. They didn't know so many people were going to die as a result of those bombs.

"We dropped an atomic device on them because they were flying planes deliberately into our air craft carrriers"

We dropped the bomb on them because we knew we wouldn't stand a chance against the Japanese on their own land. Besides there are so many speculations on why we dropped it on them it's hard to tell which factors are the correct ones. Also, those planes were kamikaze fighters. They are to kill themselves and as many enemy as possible.

I certainly hope that you don't support that descision to use the atom bombs on Japan. It was a waste of life.

American Kid

1st July 2002, 03:13

Um, Mr. Marshall.........

Okay, don't condescend my knowledge of WW2. My grandfather was a paratrooper with the 17th Airborne divsion. He fought in Northern Africa, Italy, dropped onto the coast of southern France in a glider in August of '44, then was part of a force that was engaged in battle with a German division which was part of the force that had the 101rst Airborne surrounded in Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge, where he was wounded and went home with a purple heart. So, yeah.......Let's not talk names and dates because we'll be here a while.

And I won't reiterate. I stand by my comment. We cut off their oil supply and they should've felt threatened. That doesn't justify what the Japanese did. That's not proper combat. It's slaughter. You think Japan invaded China over oil? That's Osama's excuse isn't it? I'm gonna put it simply again: they-were-totalartarians-who-wanted-to-take-over-the-world.

-AK

(your conspiracy theories make me laugh......huh.....huh, huh, huh.......ha......huh....)

(Also, when you say things like "When WE dropped the bomb on them......." that's incorrect. Because you're not one of us. Refrain from using "we". Am I proud we dropped the bomb? No. I've seen on TV the after affects of it's destruction and it's horrible. But don't affiliate yourself with "us". Even when the claim is something terrible like this. Because you deserve not even that.)

(Edited by American Kid at 3:14 am on July 1, 2002)

(Edited by American Kid at 4:23 pm on July 1, 2002)

Apache

1st July 2002, 04:03

We dropped the bomb on them because we knew we wouldn't stand a chance against the Japanese on their own land. Besides there are so many speculations on why we dropped it on them it's hard to tell which factors are the correct ones. Also, those planes were kamikaze fighters. They are to kill themselves and as many enemy as possible.

I certainly hope that you don't support that descision to use the atom bombs on Japan. It was a waste of life.

Considering that the estimated deaths in Japan would have been way over 2,000,000 (and higher by some estimates), I would say the dropping of The Atomic Bomb was a charitable act of humanity.
By the end of the war the US had figured out how to defeat the Japanese on the battlefield. The estimates that I saw said that no more than 100,000 Americans would have died.
I say that is 100,000 Americans too many.
Japan started the war, they needed to bear the brunt of the loss.

Capitalist Fighter

1st July 2002, 04:23

I never justify dropping a nuclear bomb anywhere in the world. That is seriously going to far. Who said American had to invade Japan to defeat it. With all the defeated powers after the war, the victorious ones could form a concert with the U.S. and bring Japan to its knees through propagandha, air strikes and military operations. Not dropping bombs destroying 2 cities, killing millions and still having repercussions today. A country can be defeated without having to necesarily be invaded.

Field Marshal

1st July 2002, 05:38

holy shit American Kid... (forgive me if I yell, I am passionate about this)

First of all, just because your grandfather served in the war doesn't make his firsthand knowledge heritable to you.

Next:
"We cut off their oil supply and they should've felt threatened. That doesn't justify what the Japanese did."

After the Japanese allied with the Axis powers and began to expand into IndoChina, the US responded by placing an embargo on gasoline, scrap metal, steel, and iron. After Japan's conquest of Indochina was finished in July 1941, the US added oil to the embargo and closed the Panama Canal to Japanese shipping. The US was trying to contain Japanese expansion and this was no secret to anyone. But the Japanese needed the raw materials since the US stopped supplying them. The Japanese feared that the US was going to use their fleet at Pearl Harbor to attack them. They wanted to save Japanese lives at that time, much like the US government wanted to save American lives by dropping the bombs. Only different.

"That's not proper combat. It's slaughter."

What the fuck do you know about proper combat? You think dropping an atom bomb on innocent civilians was proper combat? The US felt threatened just as the Japanese did. That doesn't justify what either of them did, but at least the Japanese had the honor of trying to stay with military targets. The Japanese were sinking subs and ships, blowing up aircrafts and equipment. The United States military dropped those bombs on no specific military target.

"they-were-totalartarians-who-wanted-to-take-over-the-world. "

Give me one piece of evidence that Japan wanted to take over the world.

"your conspiracy theories make me laugh"

What conspiracy theories have I mentioned in our conversation?

"Because you're not one of us. Refrain from using "we". Am I proud we dropped the bomb? No. I've seen on TV the after affects of it's destruction and it's horrible. But don't affiliate yourself with "us". Even when the claim is something terrible like this. Because you deserve not even that."

Fuck you. Who the fuck are you to disaffiliate me from anything. I am an American, so what? I'm not one of you? What the fuck does that mean?
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Apache,

I'd like to know where those estimates came from.

A charitable act of humanity? That's disgusting how you can relate that to the dropping of the atomic bomb. And you say that 100,000 Americans is too many, well how many Japanese would be too many you one-sided bastard.
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Capitalist Fighter,

you have the right idea. The Japanese were on the defense after Pearl Harbor. They didn't have the supplies to continue a strong opposition (that's why the resorted to kamekazi). Had the US just left Japanese territory, in my opinion, Japan would have not wanted to pursue the Americans. They would have been left on their island with a loss of pride. We didn't have to do such a horrible act to show them whatever it was that we wanted to show.

Even after the war ended, the Emperor never told the people that they lost the war. Only that it was over. I believe the same thing would have been done had the US ended their onslaught of the Japanese before the Bombs were needed.

Apache

1st July 2002, 06:25

God, you are a Shit Head Field Marshal:
A charitable act of humanity? That's disgusting how you can relate that to the dropping of the atomic bomb. And you say that 100,000 Americans is too many, well how many Japanese would be too many you one-sided bastard.
[b]Do the math Einstein. The Japanese would not have surrendered until their homeland was invaded and their leaders executed. To have done that we would have had to go through a lot of Japanese. You need to read up on the Samurai Code of Bushido. It does not allow for surrender.
Call me one-sided but we did not bomb ourselves at Pearl Harbor.
You are also ignoring the list of Japanese atrocities that they committed against the Chinese.
They did stuff that would have made the Waffen SS squeamish.
Besides, if we did not use the atomic bomb and continued the fire raids even MORE would have died.
In the end, would you rather save lives or kill more people. Your way leaves more dead bodies.
So once again, the Nuclear bomb was an act of LOVE, compared to ANY other alternative.
Check out the link I provided on The Rape of Nanking.

Field Marshal

1st July 2002, 06:54

First off, thanks for reading the end of my post you bastard. haha

"The Japanese would not have surrendered until their homeland was invaded and their leaders executed."

Well that explains why the Japanese surrendered WITHOUT their emperor being executed. And, the japanese would have NEVER surrendered, as you later said... contradicting yourself. I believe you are the one who should read up on Bushido.

"Call me one-sided but we did not bomb ourselves at Pearl Harbor."

What the fuck are you talking about? I was referring to the fact that you stated how many Americans were too many, but you never said how many Japanese were too many. You are one-sided because you don't think about the other side.

"Your way leaves more dead bodies. So once again, the Nuclear bomb was an act of LOVE, compared to ANY other alternative."

Read the end of my last post. There were other alternatives, you have just accepted the one that got the job done, no matter how it was done.

I have checked out your link on the Rape of Nanking. Now do us all a favor and find yourself a link to some pschological help. haha.

Capitalist Fighter

1st July 2002, 07:10

Field Marshal, there is some evidence that Japan had intentions to take over the world. I suggest you read the Tanaka Memorial, a memorial alledgly submitted by Prime Minister Tanaka to the Emperor of Japan after the Eastern Regions Conference, July 1927. Above other things, it states...

"In the future if we want to control China, we must first crush the U.S> just as in the past we had to fight in the RUsso-Japanese War. But in order to conquer China we must first conquer Manchuria and Mongolia. IN ORDER TO CONQUER THE WORLD, we must first conquer China. If we succeed in conquering China the rest of the siatic ountries and the South Sea countires will fear us and surrender to us. Then the world will realise that Eastern Asia is ours and will not dare to violate our gihts. This is the plan left ot us by Emperor Meiji, the success of which is essential to our national existence...Final success belongs to the country having raw materials: the full growth of national strength belonds to the country havingt extensive territory. If we pursue a positive policy to enalrge our rights in Manchuria and China, all these pre-requisites of a powerful nation will constitute no problem.

Also Apache as Field Marshal said Japan did surrender in the Second World War without their emperor having died or their country being invaded.

ID2002

1st July 2002, 08:40

The Japanese during WW2 were run by a fascist dictatorship, which was run by Emperor Hirohito w/ state imposed Shinto beliefs. They had the same mentality as the Nazis.

"probably why they got along so well :)"

They treated POW's as crap because truely...the Japanese believed that they were sub-human because non-Japanese were not born in the land of the divine "rising sun". They also believed that their country had a divine right to conqure ASIA and the world with the help of the Germans.

.....the A-BOMB was dropped because it was seen as a last resort. The Germans and the Japanese were also very close to building similar weapons to be used against allied targets, so it came down to a race to beat the clock.
....this is a fact, not fiction!

American Kid

1st July 2002, 16:22

Field Marshall, what up BRAH?

Okay, so yeah Grandpa kicked ass over in the European theatre. Also Grandpa's cousin faught in Guadalcanal, where he was shot and killed. But anyway, my feeble knowledge does not end there. Yes, we can talk D-day, or the Saint. Lo Breakthrough, or which American division was the first to cross the Siegfried line (the 4th), or the terrible Hurtgen forest, or whatever else you want to because yes, my friend, I know A LOT. But anyway.......

Kamikaze pilots are not proper combat.

And I'll defer to my bud ED for proof that the Japs had it in for all of us. Let's say the axis won the war.......You think it would have ended there.........?

And yes, I am relinquishing your citizenship. I am effectively seceding yourself and all your possesions and land from the union. A spaceship will arrive shortly to take you back to mars.

-The Kid

American Kid

1st July 2002, 16:26

-And I love how you refer to the rape of Nanking as part of Japan's "expansion into Indochina".

Domo Ragato,

-The Kid

Field Marshal

2nd July 2002, 07:08

Capitalist Fighter,

I have never seen something like that before. It was interesting to read. But, 1. you said "alledgly," that can make a difference. 2. The Prime Minister's memorial does not neccessarily mean that Japan wanted to take over the world. The emporer was (I'm pretty sure) the first in the Japanese goverment to want to end the war with peaceful intentions.

ID2002,

That explanation is probably one of the few in which I can agree with. However, the only problem I have with it is that there was no immediate danger. There was only one country with the capability of bombing America, and that was a German bomber which was not designed to carry atomic bombs. It could only fly as far as New York to bomb.

The fact that WE bombed Japan (twice!) when WE knew there was no threat of our homeland destroys my support that I had for the factor you named. But the point that you made was much better than American Kid's explanation. I still can't accept either as a reason to drop an atomic bomb, twice for god sakes.

American Kid,

"Okay, so yeah Grandpa kicked ass over in the European theatre. Also Grandpa's cousin faught in Guadalcanal, where he was shot and killed. But anyway, my feeble knowledge does not end there."

Oh I'm afraid it does end there. Your family history is not a representation of your "feeble knowledge," as I told you before.

"Yes, we can talk D-day, or the Saint. Lo Breakthrough, or which American division was the first to cross the Siegfried line (the 4th), or the terrible Hurtgen forest, or whatever else you want to because yes, my friend, I know A LOT."

What are you talking about? Have I challeged you to a duel of knowledge? Stay with the subject and stop summerizing your enitre knowledge in one run-on sentence.

"Kamikaze pilots are not proper combat."

You could back that up with your knowledge that you claim to have in such great quantity. Or you could counter my reply to a similar statement of yours.

"And I'll defer to my bud ED for proof that the Japs had it in for all of us. "

Your "bud ED" didn't show proof of the Japanese having it "in for all of us." Don't you think that the Japanese and Germans were thinking of the same thing when they realized the power that America held? ID2002 only gave a reason why the Americans dropped the bombs on Japan.

"Let's say the axis won the war.......You think it would have ended there.........? "

Do you think that it HAS ended there? Eversince the US came out on top of the second world war, there have been an enormous amount of interventions and conflict coming from America. Here is a list a couple affected countries:
Nicaragua
Chile
Soviet Union
Cuba
Angola
Sudan
Vietnam
East Timor
Philippines
Honduras
North Korea
South Korea
South Yeman

"And yes, I am relinquishing your citizenship. I am effectively seceding yourself and all your possesions and land from the union. A spaceship will arrive shortly to take you back to mars."

You either can not make a good joke, or you are unaware of how hard it is to be sarcastic on the internet. Lets stop with the bad jokes.

"-And I love how you refer to the rape of Nanking as part of Japan's 'expansion into Indochina.' "

And I love how you refer to the presence of the war in Europe as the European "theatre." Interesting word choice. I'm glad we love something about eachother.

(Edited by Field Marshal at 7:09 am on July 2, 2002)

Child of Revolution

3rd July 2002, 13:48

propaganda.
a hollywood film called '13 days.'
in the film, Kennedy 'persuaded' Nikita to dismantle the cuban missile.
However, in an unbiased Textbook I have read, khruschev was forced.

Makes ya think, don't it??

Field Marshal

5th July 2002, 03:59

well, just like the previews for the movie say...

"You'll never know how close we came!!!"

Mac OS Revolutionary

5th July 2002, 04:55

Quote: from Child of Revolution on 1:48 pm on July 3, 2002
propaganda.
a hollywood film called '13 days.'
in the film, Kennedy 'persuaded' Nikita to dismantle the cuban missile.
However, in an unbiased Textbook I have read, khruschev was forced.

Makes ya think, don't it??

Yes it probably was propaganda, that doesn't stop it from being a good movie though :)

American Kid

5th July 2002, 06:59

And now it's "American Kid"'s turn to dissect his challenger "Field Marshall"'s latest post, and back it up with some SHIT-TALKING of his own!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(audience applause)

"American Kid" enters from stage one.

(audience applause)

AMERICAN KID
Okay, Mothafucka!!!!!!!!!!! I'm-a comin' down
with the hard shit-all ovah your ass,
mothafucka!!!!!!!!

(audience goes absolutely bonkers)

American Kid gets right up in Field Marshall's face. Fieldy's been talking some bad shit, and now the Kid's taken it personal. We can see it in his eyes. The capitalism in his stare, unblinking.

Field Marshall, though displaying an impressive ability to fend off more than one attacker at a time, still comes off as empty and vacant in his ideas. And how he expresses them, not a big help niether. He may be more educated or read more books than the Kid, but he doesn't have the heart, or the ability sustain a debate without getting whiny and academic. Fieldy's been talkin' smack, and now the Kid's ready to PUT the smack down-cowboy style.

The Kid gets right up in his face.

AMERICAN KID (shakes his head)
Mothafucka............

(crowd goes nuts)

AMERICAN KID (same)
You red mothafucka............

And there is indeed, prominently, a red stripe, going up the Marshall's back.

The Kid's barrel chest juts forth, and his eyes grow wide and manic, catching his comrade in a penetrating stare.

AMERICAN KID
I'm fixin' to kick some ASS!

(crowd goes nuts)

FIELD MARSHALL (skittish)
Let's talk about this............

AMERICAN KID (snaps)
Wut?

FIELD MARSHALL (flinches)
Nothing!

(crowd is on it's feet)

AMERICAN KID
Wut?

FIELD MARSHALL
Nothing! Forget it!

The Kid's patience has been spent. This has been many weeks coming. There's suddenly a dead silence. The Kid looks like he's got something to say. Everyone leans forward in anticipation...............:

AMERICAN KID (starts to sing)
Ohhhh say can youuuu seeeeee?

FIELD MARSHALL
Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!

(crowd sings along)

AMERICAN KID
By the dawn's early lighhhhttttt?

FIELD MARSHALL
Nooooooo!!! Call my mom!!!!!!!!

The Kid lifts him off his feat and they butt chins.

AMERICAN KID
Fieldy..........When you call my knowledge of
WW2 feeble.................

(crowd goes silent)

AMERICAN KID
..................I'm fixin' that a be a challenge
of a duel of knowledge........

(crowd goes nuts)

AMERICAN KID
What so PROUDLY we hailed...........

FIELD MARSHALL
Call my mom..........just call my mom....
seriously........ brah.....

............................*

(July 5th, 1:52 AM,

special just for my friend with the BIG FUCKIN' MOUTH after a night of hard partying, American-style)

-The Kid

(Edited by American Kid at 7:03 am on July 5, 2002)

(Edited by American Kid at 7:05 am on July 5, 2002)

Brian

5th July 2002, 16:10

Quote: from left winger commie on 8:42 pm on June 30, 2002
the u.s have always been using probiganda 4 the past sixty years!!!!!!!in 1941 usa cut off japans oil supply in japans respond 2 this they bomb preal harbour killing 5 mayby 6 thosand people then u.s kill over 5million people in japan not 2 menchen speading radition there for forty years still kill people then comes OSAMA BIN LAIDEN knocks down the world trade center killing 4and a half thosand people then the u.s go away and kill 1million people 2hundred thosand civilians!!!!!! the u.s think they are beter then every1
This is not a chatroom dumbass,use correct grammer and not numbers and letter as a stand in for words.

IzmSchism

5th July 2002, 19:45

Quote: from American Kid on 6:59 am on July 5, 2002
And now it's "American Kid"'s turn to dissect his challenger "Field Marshall"'s latest post, and back it up with some SHIT-TALKING of his own!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Field Marshall, though displaying an impressive ability to fend off more than one attacker at a time, still comes off as empty and vacant in his ideas. And how he expresses them, not a big help niether. He may be more educated or read more books than the Kid, but he doesn't have the heart, or the ability sustain a debate without getting whiny and academic. Fieldy's been talkin' smack, and now the Kid's ready to PUT the smack down-cowboy style.

you sure did talk some shit there skid, I mean Kid, yet you have yet to prove any sign of retorical wit in the face of someone elses ideas and opinions, all you got is rage son....I am still waiting for your debating extravaganza to bust out, instead of your barreled chest.

with respect to the a-bomb, Lets just hope we learn from our past.

American Kid

5th July 2002, 21:56

Schizm, brah, you know my name...........c'mon......

No, but seriously, here's what it is, I've already plainly stated my case. It's really kind of simple. WhY do I have to back it up? It's just this: I do, sincerely believe the A bomb was.................ugh, necessary. We can talk history and facts, but who am I gonna convince in HERE? Besides, like, Stormin' Normin......? And I'm not an idiot, but I believe the road is a dead end; we all have our beliefs here, and we're all pretty bullheaded, all of us, and we're NONE OF US going to change how the other thinks; and this isn't a BAD THING. We can talk names and dates and claim this nation had the right to do this to that nation because this nation did that and so on...........It's a debate that no one is going to win. If Fieldy blew me it wouldn't change my mind. I don't come here for guidance. I'm not saying this is pointless or hopeless though. I come here because other people's views on things are extremely interesting to me. I bust Fieldy's balls, but that's just because to me, the debate itself is absurd. Field Marshall, who despite being ABSOLUTELY ASS-BACKWARDS TO ME politically, I respect as an intelligent, evidently well-read individual who backs up his words with facts. And that's cool, when I choose to, I do also. Just look at different posts I've done here. When I'm not being a goofball.

We have an asthetic difference, me and Field Marshall. He believes, unequivocally, that the mass extermination (don't hold me accountable for my surgical use of words; I'm sort of doing this on the fly) of civillians is UNEXCUSABLE no matter the "context". Which is admirable. And I think, sincerely, I've expressed my own trepidations with this "concept". I think I've out right claimed to not be proud of it. The blood of all those people, the "shadows" left in their wake after being vaporized, loom over that same flag I've spent all week going out, celebrating, and partying over. I know it. But I'm at peace with it, because............

I believe it was necessary. Again, our aircraft carriers were being bombarded by, ugh, Japenes PILOTS, crashing deliberately. A land invasion, which we would have one, eventually.........., would've been rediculously, and, for us Americans, unnecessarily, costly in terms of human life. Our own. The Japanese people were under the protection of their leaders. They could've given up. They weren't. So WE did what WE had to do. Life is hard, and sometimes you have to pick sides. And they had nothing left to fight for too, this is so stupid......., we'd worked our way up the Pacific, Hitler'd already been dead four months, Mousselini had been strung up and dragged through the streets, they were surrounded, the party was over. Common sense is to throw in the towel.

But that's war. Is your mind changed yet?.........:)

Lookit, this is a forum for debate. I LIKE hearing what you guys have to say. Usually (especially) when you disagree. That's the whole point. And we each say it differently. So fuck it. Let's have a good time.
It's not like the things we're saying are making the front page of any newspaper.

And WHAT debating retorical wit are you waiting for, schiz? What do I have to say? I've spoken my mind. It's funny, because I don't dispute the facts that Field Marshall lays out. There's NOTHING to debate. He's right when he talks of blocking oil, the japs wanting to strike first because they felt threatened by Pearl Harbor. Hey, dude, "Cheers!" Your story checks out, brah. We just argue in regard to the final result. I believe the total sum of the facts justify it, he doesn't. All we CAN do is express our rage, son.

-Kid

and trust me, I don't have a barrel chest. it's like in-dented and puny................til next time

IzmSchism

5th July 2002, 23:07

Alrighty then, cisco kid, I just was pissing myself when I read that email, or screenplay and felt like being a dick.

Someone had to unleash an atomic bomb sooner or later, and I am very thankful that it did not happen when I was around, again I am a dick, but seriously, we are humans and we like to mess around with nuculear shit, just like how I like to mess around with hookers on the vegas strip, I mean, how can an internet dweeb get any chaw without paying for it, right? Seriously I am cool, trust me, Im chillin with the birth of the cool. pls see avatar.

Anyways, way off topic, finally, Kid, please don't call me Brah, I really hate that word, it is so maui 1980 grab your board and hit Ho'okipa for the 10 year swell BRAH!

I used to like it now whenever I say it, it is usually in a demeaning type of way.

Le paz out

American Kid

6th July 2002, 03:13

Sorry, Schizm. Yeah, I say it to be a dick. You're off limits now though, brother.

Now when you say pissing yourself, is that good or bad?

-Kiddo

IzmSchism

7th July 2002, 23:22

well if you ask my doctor, he'll say I have a bladder problem, but if you ask me, this is the result of being raised in a capitalistic society, downtrodden with a silver spoon, well I can't complain, I just never got around to being toliet trained, my nannie always did everything for me.....ooooh nanie how I miss your gentle touch....

American Kid

8th July 2002, 00:40

But was it funny?

You're killin' me.

-Kid

solidarityinactive

9th July 2002, 02:51

well, gentlemen, I am sorry to have no bright quotations to add or a list of facts and dates to prove who is right or wrong...

However, in my silly little mind of a 17 years old girl, I find the equasition Bomb+People= Deaths, and to my simplist mind, wether the Japanese or the American people deserved it or not, k-i-l-l-i-n-g is b-a-d.

And when some people say that "the dropping of The Atomic Bomb was a charitable act of humanity. " (sorry I don't recall again who wrote it...my most sincere excuses) because it prevented Humanity from having other thousands of deads, I'm just wandering if you think that Humanity=Americans?... Okay, I do recognize that it stoped the Japanese and also prevent more deaths...but only on a side... For the Japanese people now they have to deal with the radiation problems... :(

My humble opinion is that THE bomb was a too radical way to act. But past is past, I know. What I would like to know is that, all of you who think that the bomb was a good solution, would you do it again, now, knowing what are the long time effects of those kind of bombs?

American Kid

9th July 2002, 03:23

Well young lady, if my country (guess which one....) :) is ever attacked again on the degree of 9/11, with as much or maybe even, God forbid, more casualties, then I would condone it against whatever nation it was who was holding these terrorists and giving them shelter.

I'd hate to think that anyone would be so ignorant (a la our friends The Taliban) to not fully cooperate. After all, look what happened to them.

But this is serious business. I don't want this to be an annual event. I've seen enough movie-like death and destruction (only being reality) to last a lifetime.

Sorry, gotta go. More later.

-The genocidal Kid.................:)

Capitalist Fighter

9th July 2002, 05:03

Brian,

It's quicker using numbers. I know i can't be stuffed typing out words when i can do it so quickly using numerical values. Try it someday. It might even make you smile. lol ;)

I Will Deny You

9th July 2002, 19:19

Quote: from American Kid on 1:59 am on July 5, 2002
AMERICAN KID
Okay, Mothafucka!!!!!!!!!!! I'm-a comin' down
with the hard shit-all ovah your ass,
mothafucka!!!!!!!!YES! I've been wanting to see a communist blaxploitation flick for years![hr] LINDSAY
But you're skirting the issues that
are involved with socializing health
care, fool!

KALEED enters. Tall, dark, handsome and brilliant, he sweeps Lindsay off of her feet and into his arms.

KALEED
Lindsay, my love, come run away
with me!

LINDSAY
CI and SN, we'll debate economics
some other time.

Kaleed kisses Lindsay.

FADE TO BLACK[hr]I won't write a full review for you until you guess what TV show I was on!

Lindsay

American Kid

9th July 2002, 22:47

What was it, syphillis capital of the world? New Bedford MA? Shit, gotta look up my rolodex, "friends with the clap".

-The Sherlock Kid

Capitalist Imperial

9th July 2002, 22:49

sick, sick puppies

American Kid

9th July 2002, 23:28

I also want to add that what's truly fucking fascinating about this whole exchange is the abrupt end to the whole debate it brought.

Fuckin' Field Marshall. He just gave up on me. I mean, if you read my earlier posts, I gave a pretty convincing argument myself for the whole thing to end altogether anyway. But he didn't even respond. To THAT (ie, my total, unprovoked, unwarranted (ha!) assault on his character). I mean, even if I was all high-brow and sophisticated like I'm SURE he is, even I would have to respond to THAT. But he just let it slide. I mean, I tried to sap dude's self-respect. It was an attempted abduction of one's personal dignity. But no.

-THUD-

End of discussion. Interesting. However, for the record, I'll reiterate, I hate it, I'm not stupid and am able to comprehend it's destruction, I wish it hadn't happened, but the bomb did, and I feel it had to happen. And even if it didn't, it did, so........ And I'm at peace with it.

AND, AND, AND my knowledge of ww2 is not feeble. Fuckin' A, that kills me. So again for the record:

D Day: We all know this. Hopefully, right? Codenamed operation Overlord, the largest single amphibious assault in history. US, Brittish, and Canadian troops crossed the English Channel on June 6th 1944 and were met by the "The Atlantic Wall", a complex, well dug-in system of pillboxes and fortiforcations constructed by the Germans in preparation for just such an assault. The strip of shoreline of Northern France chosen for the invasion was split into five sections, each given a code name: "Gold", "Sword", "Utah", and "Omaha", and I'm sorry I can't recall right now exactly what the fifth was. Omaha being the most heavily fortified, it was assigned for the Americans. It's pillboxes made of thick lumber, it easily survived the initial Allied Naval assault just after dawn. Nazi troops simply ducked and covered til it was over, then manned their battle stations and waited. Go rent "Saving Private Ryan". Personally my favorite film, ever.

Irwin Rommel, who was back in Germany that day for his wife's birthday, went fucking nuts and was screaming for the deployment of German reinforcements immediately. But Hitler, the Brains of the whole operation, was convinced that this was all just a spoiling attack, while the real shit was going to go down farther North at a place called the Pai de Cale (I think that's how you spell it). As we all know, we never showed up (the real party was a little further south) and the German armor deployed there no doubt were left with their thumbs up their asses, to enjoy the pretty scenary.

My favorite anectdote of D Day is what one of the old, grizzled veteran German Generals, Gerd Vos Runstedt, said as the invasion was taking place. He was an old-timer, a real MILATARY guy, who fucking despised polititicians and beaucracy, but, being a MILITARY guy, felt obligated, and that it was his duty, to remain loyal and follow their commands. But Hitler hated his fucking guts, because he spoke his mind (didn't gas him or throw him in a pit, because I suppose brilliant military minds aren't just a dime a dozen). Someone asked him what the Germans were to do now, he replied, "Give up the war." Now I bear zero reverence for any Nazi who fought in that war, but you have to admit, that guy was pretty cool.

Okay, shit, I have to go for a little while, but I'll make it quick::::

Saint Lo breakthrough was a few weeks after D day. It was us bustin' fuckin' loose off the Normandy beachhead and really diving right into the heart of France, and then soon afterwards, Europe. Rather important.

The Siegfried line was again, another long German fortification full of booby traps and other such shit, only it was along the border of France, Luxembourg, Belgium excetera................The 4th division were the first to cross it sometime in mid-late October I believe........something I would be rather proud of.

And the Hurtgen Forest, fuck fuck fuck, I really have to go, but look up on the net. Read about it. It was fucked up. It was terrible.

-The Kid

I Will Deny You

10th July 2002, 05:20

Quote: from American Kid on 5:47 pm on July 9, 2002
What was it, syphillis capital of the world? New Bedford MA? Shit, gotta look up my rolodex, "friends with the clap".

-The Sherlock Kid
I'm not sure if it's the syphillis capital, specifically. But before the bastards at NBC cancelled this show, it was the capital of all STDs in general. Now it's #2 or #3 in the country and is only ahead in a few specific STDs. Come to think of it, maybe this city is the ghonorhea capital of the world.

Lindsay

American Kid

10th July 2002, 05:30

Um, could possibly still be New Bedford. I don't live there, but am close by. And it's probably my least favorite place on the planet.

NBC and STD and it was canceled and what else........hmmmm.......I'm going to work my brain straight into a Brian Wilson tailspin over this now..........

It could be anything............Beverly Hills Cop 2. No that was a movie. Police Academy 4. No. Um, I need another hint. No, what I need is a fucking review. But, baby steps. I know................Uh, okay. Another hint. Please?

-Kid

I Will Deny You

10th July 2002, 05:45

The show wasn't actually about STDs. It just happened to take place in an STD-filled city. Here's another hint: It's the only television show, as far as I know, that featured a bisexual character. One more hint: When NBC fucked it up and it really started to suck, it was moved to Friday nights and I had to tape it. And then my VCR broke, but I didn't care because the show was so bad that it was painful for me to watch.

Lindsay

American Kid

10th July 2002, 06:00

All right, my capitalist friend Jeffery just walked in. We're a team. Together, we're wicked smaht. We think it's............"Will and Grace"?

Jeffery's really trying hard to figure this out.

-Kid and the Kid

(Edited by American Kid at 6:00 am on July 10, 2002)

I Will Deny You

10th July 2002, 06:07

Hint: It took place in Bawlmer, which is near DC. (That's why I was an extra. It was so damn easy.)

Another name for Baltimore is "The City that Bleeds." It used to be "The City that Reads" . . . so much for that idea.

Lindsay

American Kid

10th July 2002, 06:12

Fuck.........you're killin' us......Okay, we're gonna go with "Spin City"...........? The black guy was gay right?

-Kid and the Kid

I Will Deny You

10th July 2002, 06:15

I thought Spin City was set in New York. Anyway, I said bisexual, not gay.

The bisexual guy on this show is white. Hint: Baltimore has the highest homicide rate in the country, and this is a huge part of the show.

Lindsay

I Will Deny You

10th July 2002, 06:40

Quote: from American Kid on 1:59 am on July 5, 2002
And now it's "American Kid"'s turn to dissect his challenger "Field Marshall"'s latest post, and back it up with some SHIT-TALKING of his own!!!!!!!!!!!!!If AK and FM are just being introduced, their names should be in ALL CAPS. And if they were already introduced, they should be written as they are. But their names shouldn't be in quotes either way.

American Kid, you sound way too much like my roommates for me to really like your character. Why don't you just take a Hitchcockian shortcut and let Brad Pitt portray you? It saves ten whole minutes of character development, you know.

And where are your stock characters? Where is your token black guy? Your damsel in distress? Your cute little kid? Your sage/mentor? Your . . . I could go on forever. Point is, Central Casting hasn't done a very good job this time.

Lindsay