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Anonymous
26th June 2002, 21:47
What are we going to do about the United States?" It's a blunt question for a UN diplomat, but it's on the minds, the lips, and in some cases the T-shirts, of many of the thousands of delegates who recently gathered here for last preparatory meeting before the World Summit on Sustainable Development (WSSD) to be held in Johannesburg in late August.

The World Summit process, the follow up to the Rio Earth Summit of 1992, has been an embarrassment. That is largely due to the U.S. role, according to critics. As with the Rio Summit 10 years ago, the shadow over the conference is whether President George Bush will even attend. Bush the Father did attend, after keeping the world in suspense, but then decided not to sign the Convention on Biodiversity. Bush the Son will no doubt follow suit and keep us wondering, but he has already ended some of the suspense by deciding not to sign the Kyoto Protocol, which is supposed to protect the climate.

Threat of U.S. veto has watered down a great deal of the negotiating text. The U.S. has "bracketed," that is to say objected to, all text relating to new financing for enviro-friendly projects in developing countries. Nor does the U.S. take kindly to dissent. When Norway followed its progressive stances on many issues, including the Kyoto Protocol, with a stirring speech the U.S. State Department called the Norwegian Ambassador to the U.S. in for a dressing down. The U.S. is seen as a schoolyard bully, resented, feared, snickered at, and disrespected behind it's back.

Shortly after September 11th, Americans were told by their leaders that "They hate us for our freedom." "They" meant Al Queda. But here "They" is, well, almost everyone. They hate us for our arrogance, and for usually getting our way.

The U.S. does have some company. On June 5th, World Environment Day, Australia celebrated the occasion by announcing it would not ratify the Kyoto Protocol. The announcement came after Australia had joined other countries insisting on watering it down. This news came out at a mega-cocktail party at one of the fanciest hotels in Bali, when the enraged Political Director of Greenpeace, Remi Parmentier, scheduled to speak in support of the UN Environment Programme instead used his time to warn Australian Prime Minister John Howard that he had "a lot of explaining to do." UNEP Director Klaus Toepfer scolded Parmentier afterwards, saying his confrontational presentation had been inappropriate for a cocktail party. Parmentier replied, "They scrapped the Kyoto Protocol, I scrapped my speech."

That Australia could take this step during the Bali meeting is just another sign that it's business as usual at the Summit, with emphasis on the word business. Despairing of being able to regulate international business, the UN has invented a new phrase, "Type 2 outcomes," to describe the partnerships with business they hope will be launched in Johannesburg. (Type 1 outcomes refer to traditional multilateral agreements such as international treaties; type 2 partnerships are ad-hoc and purely voluntary.) With these partnerships, the UN hopes to steer business toward sustainability. Remember, these are the same businesses that have worked so diligently to weaken UN environment and development agreements, and to weaken the UN itself.

Another UN is Possible
Led by Friends of the Earth, non-governmental organizations (NGOs) have been pushing instead for a Framework Convention on Corporate Accountability to put some teeth into the UN's approach to corporate behavior. When the Bali meeting started there was a proposal to develop a framework on corporate accountability, but by the end the draft was watered down, calling on governments "to promote" corporate responsibility.

The corporate capture of the WSSD has put the global justice movement in an awkward position. Most of the NGOs and people's movements support UN goals, and many are involved in the process itself. Yet the opening ceremony of the Indonesia People's Forum, organized as a parallel event to the formal Bali meeting, was interrupted by the strange chant of "Boycott Prepcom." Midway through the second week, the IPF voted to boycott, though it was not clear exactly how one actually boycotts a Prepcom, especially as police kept protestors penned in an amphitheater out of sight of the meeting venue.

The ambivalent attitude toward WSSD is likely to intensify in Johannesburg, as are security arrangements for a meeting with dozens, perhaps well over a hundred, Heads of State in attendance. Civil society groups are split of whether to protest the meeting or try to strengthen it, or some combination.

For the anti-corporate globalization movement, the target will be clear. Business Action for Sustainable Development, a collection of global corporations, will be there in full force to push the message that they are part of the solution. Unlike the People's Forum, they will have a venue near the official meeting, where they will give out Awards for Sustainable Development Partnerships.*

Sadly, the UN Environment Programme will co-sponsor these Awards, effectively putting itself in the line of protestors' fire, even though many of those protestors would like to see a more robust and powerful UNEP. The UNEP of the future, they believe, should monitor the environmental behavior of these global corporations, instead of pandering with voluntary partnerships and awards.

For now, the U.S. and big business are calling the shots, which puts the global fox in charge of the planetary henhouse.

Apache
26th June 2002, 22:05
I absolutely agree with the anarchist!

The US needs to excuse itself from The UN and renounce ALL UN Charters, treaties and agreements.

The US needs to remove The UN from our shores.

When can I help your UN buddies pack anarchist?
I'll even pitch in for some of the airfare, just tell me what country you want to go to.
Switzerland sound nice, do you want to go to Switzerland?
Let's go! Time's a-wasting.

The Ax
27th June 2002, 09:03
Hey,
The UN was a great IDEA. It WAS a great organisation. Unfortuanatly the U$ has come to rule over it. How? With money! The American dream has become an unfortuanate american reality all over the world

The Ax

Apache
27th June 2002, 09:10
Quote: from The Ax on 1:03 am on June 27, 2002
Hey,
The UN was a great IDEA. It WAS a great organisation. Unfortuanatly the U$ has come to rule over it. How? With money! The American dream has become an unfortuanate american reality all over the world The Ax

Then take a vote and kick our asses out! Oh that is right we are 25% of your operating budget and 65% of your "Peace Keeping" budget.
It must be a ***** to hate us so bad but to NEED our Yankee Dollars even worse, you have to stand by a salute everytime we want to have SEX with your foreign policy!
That is a HOOT Wombat Boy!
Being an American KICKS ASS!!!!!!!

Get over here BOY!
I need a shoe shine while your sister sucks me off!

You are right, that must be humiliating!
GOOD!

Stormin Norman
27th June 2002, 11:31
Give me one good reason why the U.S. should sign the Kyoto Protocal. Better yet, why don't you tell me what would have been accomplished by its ratification. Why should we let lesser nations dictate U.S. policy? I suppose you support CAFE standards as well. If you are so opposed to the curent level of engine efficiency, why don't you invent the world's first Carnot engine? A united front made up of pure environmentalists; that would be a hilarious show of utter buffoonery. The first world government more pathetic than the U.N.. I would support its creation wholeheartedly, because it would give me another source of entertainment.

Hey, I thought you were an anarchist. Do you support a world government?

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 11:35 pm on June 27, 2002)

Angie
27th June 2002, 11:38
Quote from Apache:
Then take a vote and kick our asses out! Oh that is right we are 25% of your operating budget and 65% of your "Peace Keeping" budget.
It must be a ***** to hate us so bad but to NEED our Yankee Dollars even worse, you have to stand by a salute everytime we want to have SEX with your foreign policy!
That is a HOOT Wombat Boy!
Being an American KICKS ASS!!!!!!!

Get over here BOY!
I need a shoe shine while your sister sucks me off!

You are right, that must be humiliating!
GOOD!Thank you, Apache. You have successfully revealed your age. Much appreciated.

Apache
27th June 2002, 11:43
Thank you, Apache. You have successfully revealed your age. Much appreciated.
Was it something I said? :)

Capitalist Imperial
28th June 2002, 01:15
LOL

marxistdisciple
28th June 2002, 23:31
lol Apache you never cease to entertain me.

"Give me one good reason why the U.S. should sign the Kyoto Protocal. Better yet, why don't you tell me what would have been accomplished by its ratification"

Well how about a cleaner environment with less carbon dioxide emissions, and a world where we don't have to worry about whether global warming is real or a lie, because the world's biggest poluter as taken it's head out of it's ass.

Prezzie's solution to carbon dioxide, was grow more trees....he's really smart that one.
Grow them where exactly? You'd have to grow a hella lot. The sole reason America doesn't sign one of the most important treaties for the future is because it will hurt them economically. Saying the world environment is unimportant, is clearly stupid and arrogant. I'm sure you'll complain when you live in a future toxic waste ground because the companies stoped finding cheap places to dump their waste, so they thought they might as well put it in the sea. If you don't stop people doing these things, they'll keep doing it until problems are created. If we think of other solutions, then we never have to face that possibility. But I'm sure you'll grow up one day and experience it first hand.

Stormin Norman
29th June 2002, 17:49
I think it is relevant whether or not the global warming is real. Why should policy be changed based on something that is debatable? One thing that many people should learn is that correlation does not necessarily mean causation. Furthermore, give me irrefutable evidence that the types of temperature change that is speculated will in fact occur, and that this has never happened as a result of natural earth changes. One volcano is capable of spewing more toxic gases in to the air in a matter of hours than we humans can do over a long period. It is ridiculous to think that the world is a static system incapable of change without the direct intervention of man.
Sulfuric gases do pose a problem. It has been traced to the formation of acid rain. The hypothesis was later supported by the results of data that was carefully obtained. The conclusion is undeniable. CFC's again posed a problem until they were banned in the early nineties. Again, the evidence was concise. For every scientist that claims global warming exists remains another who states that it doesn't. Show me a report that provides evidence of global warming, which was not produced by a political institution. I will only evaluate data that was measured by independent researchers, as the topic remains politically motivated.
No one has really given me a good reason. They all say clean air and global warming. Fine if you are going to take that side, provide me with the evidence, which backs up your statement. Site the addendum in the Kyoto protocol, which would produce the resulting clean air and slowing of this global warming.


(Edited by Stormin Norman at 5:52 am on June 30, 2002)