"Cubans want Socialism" - More Bullshit from Castro the Comm

[Capitalist]

If Cubans wanted Socialism, than that would explain why they overwhelmingly voted for Republican President Bush during the 2000 election - giving him the narrow victory to defeat Gore in Florida.

Cubans want freedom!

They want freedom from the imperialistic Canadian and European that rule their country through Castro's Tyranny.

"Tourist Capitalism Only - No Free Enterprise for Cubans"
"Tourist Only Beaches"
"Tourist Only Hotels"
"Tourist Only Hospitals"
"American Dollars Only"
"Tourist and Castro's Cuba Only"

NO CUBA for CUBANS!

Tear Down the Walls!

We don't need Castro's Thought Control.

European & Canadian Tourists = Just another brick in the Fucking Wall.

Fidel Castro announced a petition campaign Thursday on a constitutional change that would declare the socialist system as "untouchable," defying calls at home and abroad for democratic reforms.

UNTOUCHABLE BY DEMOCRACY!

Beginning Saturday, Cubans will be forced and manipulated by CDRs and State Controlled Media to sign petitions supporting Castro's Tyranny

More than 120,000 petition stations will be set up around the island.

The constitutional amendment was proposed Monday by the island's communist organizations of Cuba (linked directly to Castro).

Castro's appeals for public support of his socialist system are a response to the Varela Project,

Valera Project = an initiative that would ask voters if they favor civil liberties including freedom of speech and assembly (FREE MEDIA & RIGHT TO UNIONIZE), the right to own a business (RIGHT TO CAPITALISM & FREE ENTERPRISE), electoral reform and amnesty for political prisoners.

Most Cubans first heard of the Varela Project from President Carter during a live, uncensored television address to the Cuban people.

Valera Project News From Carter NOT CASTRO!

Castro's initiative also comes less than a month after President Bush called for democratic reforms in Cuba. In a May 20 address, Bush promised not to lift American trade and travel restrictions until Cuba holds COMPETITIVE (Competition - Such a scary word for Communists!) elections and undertakes other deep reforms.

Castro said the petition campaign would be organized by the island's official popular support organizations and "it will not be a state activity." (MORE BULLSHIT)

The National Assembly will "have the final word," the Cuban tyrant said. All changes must be decided by the unicameral National Assembly (Only Communist Party members appointed by Castro can be elected into the National Assembly).

The Varela Project activists on May 10 submitted more than 11,000 signatures to the National Assembly soliciting a referendum, but have not received a formal response from Castro's National Assembly.

Castro's Government nor the Cuban State run Media has said nothing publicly about the Varela Project.

Jimmy Carter had suggested that the Varela initiative be published in the state media. But that has not happened, and most Cubans still do not know what it says.

Little Hope For Freedom & Democracy!

[Vide]

The "Cubans" who voted for Bush in Florida are Americans.

[Guest]

Hey capitalist,

name one latin american country that does more for its people than cuba.

capitalism in cuba will bring their country right with the rest of the third world latin american us puppets.

[Michael De Panama]

Let me just say that I am not in favor of the Castro regime. That's not saying I want capitalism, of course. Capitalism in Cuba would crush the country, bringing them to the knees of American imperialism just like every other Latin American country. Yeah, that would be real freedom.

I just think the system should be democratic.

But whatever, this is for you and the Castro supporters to argue about. And I'm sure Capitalist will eventually just hide somewhere once he's gotten enough posts that can legitimately disprove the validity of his accusations, as he always does.

[Guest]

What do you mean by "democratic", panama?

[RGacky3]

you know who the cubans in america are? they are former cuban bougouise that escaped to america to save their preciose $$$$. they are not the cuban people.

[epaCHEco]

Hey capitalist, Let me hit you with this......... http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html
White America kills me with their so called "United we stand". And what do you mean "WE" don't need Castro? Do you live in Cuba? Are you Cuban? Have you being in Cuba? Have you talk to anyone inside that country? no? so then How can you tell what is the best for the Cuban people? Please shut up!

(Edited by epaCHEco at 11:08 pm on June 20, 2002)

[Domino]

"More Bullshit from Castro the Communist Tyrant"

Carefull with your words you stupid fuck! Woha! Who would think that Tetelives could talk like that :biggrin:

Like it was said before, those so-called Cubans can vote and talk whatever they want, who gives a damn, they are not Cubans anymore! They are stupid yankee lovers, what can you expect from that people.

(Edited by tetelives at 4:46 pm on June 20, 2002)

[Michael De Panama]

Like, that I want "democracy". I'm not talking about capitalist plutocracy, or Leninist democratic centralism, or any of those mutations. Cuba would do much better if Castro were not in a class above the rest of the country. In other words, Cuba would do much better if it really WERE communist.

[epaCHEco]

"MESSAGE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE



"We are five loyal Cubans, who for 33 months and five days have endured a severe imprisonment in the jails of a nation where hostility against our own is obvious with its authorities. Then, after a long and infamous trial directed by manifestly political objectives, methods and procedures and overwhelmed by a real deluge of maliciously concocted propaganda, we have decided to address the American people to let them know the truth, that we are the victims of a terrible injustice.

"We have been accused of endangering the security of the United States and indicted on numerous charges, including crimes such as conspiracy to commit murder that could not, and cannot, be proven for they are false but for which we could be sentenced to dozens of years of imprisonment and even to life sentences.

"A body of Miami jurors, and this explains it all, declared us guilty of all charges. But we are just Cuban patriots and it was never our intent to cause any harm to neither the values nor the integrity of the American people.

"Our tiny nation, that has heroically survived four decades of aggressions and threats to its national security, of subversive plans, sabotages and destabilization, has every right to defend itself from its enemies who keep using the U.S. territory to plan, organize and finance terrorist actions breaking your own laws in the process.

"Our country is also entitled to peace, respect for its sovereignty and for our most sacred interests.

"In the four years that we have spent in this country, we have never stopped wondering why is it that our two peoples cannot live in peace and how is it possible that the mean interests of the extreme right, including terrorist groups and organizations made up by Cuban Americans, can strain relations between two peoples that are so close geographically and that could easily maintain relations based on respect and equality.

"In our prison stay we have had the time to reflect on our behavior in this country and we can say, without the shadow of a doubt, that neither with our attitude nor our actions have we in any way interfered with, or jeopardized the security of, the American people. What we have certainly done is contribute to exposing terrorist plans and actions against our people, thus preventing the death of innocent Cubans and Americans.

"Why is it necessary for Cuban patriots to stay away from their loved ones and postpone an otherwise joyful life with their families and people to discharge the honorable duty of protecting their homeland?

"Why are the U.S. authorities tolerant with these terrorists who act against our country? Why don’t they investigate or take action against the terrorist plans denounced by Cuba or try to prevent the numerous attempts against the life of our leaders?

"Why is it that the professed authors of these and other terrorist actions are still loose in South Florida as was clearly established during the trial?

"Who trained them and who are allowing them to carry out their plans?

"Who are those really endangering the security of the United States of America?

"They are the terrorist groups made up by Cuban Americans and their political and economic mentors in America who are gnawing away at the credibility of this country, giving this nation an appearance of ruthlessness and misleading its institutions to an inconsistent, prejudiced and erratic behavior. They are the same individuals who forestall a serious and sensitive approach to Cuba related issues.

"Such groups and their mentors have joined in a coordinated drive to bring about conflict between our two countries. To that end, they keep promoting with both the legislative and the executive branches of government increasingly aggressive measures against Cuba.

"They want to continue to update a long-standing history of invasions, sabotages, biological aggressions and other similar actions, while sparing no effort to create situations that might lead to incidents of grave consequences to both our peoples.

"The result of such aggressions against Cuba is that 3478 people were killed and 2099 were maimed between 1959 and 1999, notwithstanding very costly material losses.

"Yet, they persist in their propaganda campaigns offering the American people a distorted image of Cuba and trying to prevent with different pretexts, laws and regulations that Americans travel freely to Cuba to know first hand the real situation there. Likewise, they set every obstacle to cooperation in areas of common interest such as illegal migration and drug-trafficking that brings so much pain to the American people.

"All this is compounded by constant requests for ever higher and fresh amounts of money from the government, thus affecting the American taxpayers, simply to finance their actions against Cuba. The enormous amounts of money that keep pouring into radio and TV broadcastings, as well as to financing their subjects on the island, take away resources that could better be used to cope with social problems afflicting Americans.

"There are recent examples of these groups’ clout and pressures on the Miami community, its government agencies and even its judicial system.

"It would be in the best interest of the American people to get rid of the bad influence of such extremists and terrorists that cause so much damage to the United States by breaking its own laws.

"We have never done anything for money. We have always lived modestly and acted humbly, living up to the sacrifices of our own people.

"We have always been moved by a strong sentiment of human solidarity, love for our homeland and contempt for that which goes against the dignity of the human person.

"The defendants in this trial are in no way repentant of what we have done to defend our country. We declare ourselves non guilty and simply take comfort in the fact that we have honored our duty to our people and our homeland. Our loved ones understand the depth of the ideas that guide us and they will take pride in our sacrifices for Humanity in this struggle against terrorism and for the independence of Cuba.

René Gonzalez, Ramón Labañino, Fernando Gonzalez Llort, Antonio Guerrero, Gerardo Hernández. (signatures)
June 17, 2001

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from epaCHEco on 10:42 pm on June 20, 2002
Hey capitalist, Let me hit you with this......... http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html
White America kills me with their so called "United we stand". And what do you mean "WE" don't need Castro? Do you live in Cuba? Are you Cuban? Have you being in Cuba? Have you talk to anyone inside that country? no? so then How can you tell what is the best for the Cuban people? Please shut up!

(Edited by epaCHEco at 11:08 pm on June 20, 2002)


"White" America? Great, We are back to this again. I see many ethnicities, colors, and creeds with patriotic signs and clothes, so I don't know what you are talking about. It is racists like you who contribute to America's negative image as a racist nation. You have just proven your ignornce by suggesting "United we Stand" was an idea only for "White America". As an American of Eurpoean decent I take exception to that.

[Conghaileach]

from Capitalist Imperial
As an American of Eurpoean decent I take exception to that.All white Americans are of European descent.

[Capitalist Imperial]

That is my point, "white america" is a racist term. The proper term should be european american or american of european decent.

[ILoveShrub]

The truth is that the Cuban Americans are the rich capilists and there families that lost all there plantations whem Fidel and the revolution took there land and handed it out to the poor who had nothing but the rags on there backs. Of course they voted for Bush who most likely traded the favor of destroy or attempting to destroy Fidel for votes, because he knew that he needed there votes to win the digusting thing that we called the election.

[concerned]

The truth is that the Cuban Americans are rich because the capitalist system allows people who work hard and have initiative to get rich. Even after Castro robbed the wealthy cubans of all their possessions to "redistribute" them among the cubans as you say (actually the redistribution only occured for himself and immediate supporters), cubans in cuba are still overwhemingly poor. And no matter how hard they will ever work, they will always be poor, because as soon as they manage to get a hold on some money Castro rushes to take it away.
The same reason why Castro was chasing prostitutes. Not on moral grounds, just to confiscate their dollars because they were earning way too much compared to the average cuban (and in dollars, a currency actually worth something).

[STALINSOLDIERS]

if thier someone that knows about cubans in usa in miami it should be me, cubans here are filth mens here all they do is talk about wanting to fuck a women,drinking beer,they cheat on thier wives, they trash the sea , i saw them my neighbore is cuban hes anti-communist and he trash and litter up miami and the enviroment, they only give jobs to thier own kind they dont care about others, they are racist, they dont give a fuck about society. so now i know why castro sent them here i know why most of them went to jail its not castro is most of the people. castro is the savior of cuba, long lives fidel castro long lives the revolution...

[Mazdak]

Well Put Stalin soldiers, the Cubans in Miami are fulla shit. Just like that ***** Gloria Estefan. Sure they love America, those greddy bastards, they can keep their huge fortunes and not give away a penny of it. Just liike that whole Elian Gonzalez situation a few years ago. The family in Miami offered Elian's father over a milion dollars to keep elian in the US. Where did they get that money? If it weren't for all the votes from los gusanos (Castro's term for the Cubans here), we wouldn't have a stupid ass president who is going to end updestroying the world

[concerned]

Mazdak, grow up man, so many stupid arguments. Stalinsolidiers has more than proved in several occations what an ass he is, but you, you are just very inmature. Great strategy of portraying Cubans in Miami as the devil and Cubans in Cuba as angels. They are all cubans whether you like it or not, and whether Castro likes it or not, and there is not that much difference between them other than the first have freedom and money and the other lack both of those.

[PunkRawker677]

Perhaps we should look at the overwhelming poverty stricken Cuban-Americans. The Capitalist system (in contrast to the rich) holds them down for whatever reasons. Dont believe me? take a drive down to miami and i guarentee you'll count at least 4-500 people sleeping on the sidewalks (im excluding the ones in the allys). And go ahead and ask them where they are from, i guarentee at least 60-80% will be Cuban. I've lived in south florida most my life. All cubans in america arent "Filth"...

oh.. btw.. im a Cuban in America - i dont appreciate being called filth by my so-called comrades

[concerned]

Hard working cubans who have initiative and are industrious have achieved a pretty decent standard of living in Miami. Of course there are always the lazy ones that just want things to come to them easily and the government to take care of them instead of they taking responsibility for themselves. It is nobody's fault but themselves, don't try to blame it on the "capitalist system", the opportunities are there, some people take them and some people don't. Some prefer to get drunk and blame everybody else for their failure.

A socialist system would respond to this by taking away assets from the hard working and industrious and distribute them among these other not so industrious individuals. Is this fair? Hell no!! That is theft. The capitalist system is much more fair.

Equality doesn't mean fairness. As a matter of fact in a fair system there has to be inequality.

[The Ax]

Hey,
I'm so sick of this brainwashed american crap. Cuba fights for its people. America fights for its money.

The Ax

[Smoking Frog II]

castro ain't a tyrant, JFK...

[concerned]

Great arguments Ax and SFII...
How long did it took you guys to come up with such a well developed reasoning?
Take it easy on your brain there guys.

[Capitalist Fighter]

SS, you need to move on from the generalisations that pervade your mind whilst serving as a bulwark against truth and reasoning. In other words, enough of the BS!

[Xvall]

Uh, CF. Don't bother with SS. Really... He's the guy who supported Joe Padilla and claimed that he would have liked to kill Malte. (Founder of the Board)

[Capitalist Fighter]

lol. This guy is a character!

[Lardlad95]

Capitalist, your a dick.

Besides the fact that Bush didn't win the elections. THe only reports done on cuba are totally biased towards the Fucking US

You know how bush didn't win?

He had thousands of blacks and jews put on a list that banned them from voting for no reason at all

plus the absentee ballets were fixed


read the book "Stupid White Men" to learn more

[Capitalist]

President Bush won the election because of a narrow victory in Florida giving him 25 electoral votes.

The Exiled Cuban Community voted overwelmingly - almost 100% for President Bush.

Cubans Vote Overwelmingly Republican (There is no denying this fact)

Yes - you can thank Cubans for President Bush's Election.

The only racism on this site is from stupid stereotyping communists who label all exiled Cubans as decendants of rich families. That is stereotypical of liberal communists. What about the Chinese and Vietnamese exiles that live in the USA? Did they also come from rich landowning families?

You only hear this type of talk when refering to Exiled Cubans. We are the evil ethnic group of USA? Because we supposedly all come from rich families.

That is some big bullshit. Cubans came to the USA with nothing. Look at Miami Today. Miami = The most beautiful and strongest of American Cities.

Quite the contrary.

If there is anything racist about Cuba it would be found in the 90% + White Male Communist Government of Cuba that rules over a country that is now 60% Mulatto and Black. This is the same all White Communist government that Fidel Castro rules with an iron fist. The same All-White Tyranny that Che Guevara (The Foreign Argentina Invader of Cuba) fought so hard to protect.

The same all white government that send their children to far away European Schools instead of to the state run schools inside Cuba.

The same government officials that have millions hidden in Foreign and Swiss Bank accounts.

Who are the real capitalists profitting of the misery of Cubans in Cuba?

It ain't the Capitalist Cubans in Miami

I can assure you the Communist in Cuba are the true Evil Capitalists that profit off the slave labor of their "comrades"

Comrades = Slave Laborers

WAKE UP!

All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

No More Thought Control

No more State Controlled Media

State Controlled Education

State Controlled Political Party

State Controlled Elections

5 Year Jail Sentence for Hanging Cuban Flag Upside Down

20 Year + Jail Sentence for freedom of speech.

Tourist Only Cuba = Fidel Castro's Cuba = Canadian & European Imperialism/Tourism/Terrorism

[Moskitto]

20 Year + Jail Sentence for freedom of speech.

According to Anmesty International, It's 1 year unless violence is involved.

[Capitalist Fighter]

Moskitto, tell that to Armando Valladares and thousands of other political prisoners who were jailed because they were dissidents against the government.

[peaccenicked]

HI there Capitalist. You are so boring.
Brick in the wall, Pink Floyd
Money its a crime
=Brick in the wall = capitalist=repetitive zombie.

[The Ax]

Hey,
What about Americas political prisoners? Another brick in the wall? Your the capitalist consumer, your the brick in the wall that is the system!!

The Ax

[Mazdak]

Hey concerned, i am cuban dumbass!!!! I know, and i am not going to waste my time proiving to you. My family has had many dealings with the trreacherous gusanos who came here. and of course they asrent all rich, not everyone from Cuba fled because of Castro(We left because of that sick SOB Batista who let the country be so racist that he himself couldnt go to any clubs!! He gave the police free reign!!) Castro helped the people as much as possible. Immature?? waving your sutupid fucking amercian flag and saying "god bless america" is immature. I find it funny how one country callls itself an entire hemisphere even though it doesn't even count as a continent. All this shitr with "terrorists takinga way MY freedom" is horseshit. 9/11 was a tragedy( the twin towers part of it and all those people who died in the planes), but i asn't affected. OMG, i had 2 channels instead of 10 on the television, i dont know how i can deal wtih it!!! this is stupid. If theCubans hated Castro so much, they would revolt, and the US is helping Castro there. The Embargo makes people hate the US, and Castro hates the US, so the people of Cuba would rather have Castro thaan some US backed dicator.

[Moskitto]

ok, I'll find the source for you, but I found it on a non-leftwing website so it's unlikely to be biased propaganda.

I think Peacennicked is right, Capitalist's posts seem to be all about the same thing all the time and it just gets totally repetative and I slowly start to get boredand type anything that I feel like because i'm to bored to write something coherant and understandable that other non-Moskitto people even want to read because I am basically start being so bored that I start typing my truest feelinga about everything to do with anything such that so blatantly undeniable fact that I think i'm in love with Lidia however the thing that I don't understand is how someone' posts can leave me in such a state where I just keep typing fovever about absolute and total junk.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Capitalist on 7:27 pm on June 26, 2002
President Bush won the election because of a narrow victory in Florida giving him 25 electoral votes.

The Exiled Cuban Community voted overwelmingly - almost 100% for President Bush.

Cubans Vote Overwelmingly Republican (There is no denying this fact)

Yes - you can thank Cubans for President Bush's Election.

The only racism on this site is from stupid stereotyping communists who label all exiled Cubans as decendants of rich families. That is stereotypical of liberal communists. What about the Chinese and Vietnamese exiles that live in the USA? Did they also come from rich landowning families?

You only hear this type of talk when refering to Exiled Cubans. We are the evil ethnic group of USA? Because we supposedly all come from rich families.

That is some big bullshit. Cubans came to the USA with nothing. Look at Miami Today. Miami = The most beautiful and strongest of American Cities.

Quite the contrary.

If there is anything racist about Cuba it would be found in the 90% + White Male Communist Government of Cuba that rules over a country that is now 60% Mulatto and Black. This is the same all White Communist government that Fidel Castro rules with an iron fist. The same All-White Tyranny that Che Guevara (The Foreign Argentina Invader of Cuba) fought so hard to protect.

The same all white government that send their children to far away European Schools instead of to the state run schools inside Cuba.

The same government officials that have millions hidden in Foreign and Swiss Bank accounts.

Who are the real capitalists profitting of the misery of Cubans in Cuba?

It ain't the Capitalist Cubans in Miami

I can assure you the Communist in Cuba are the true Evil Capitalists that profit off the slave labor of their "comrades"

Comrades = Slave Laborers

WAKE UP!

All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

No More Thought Control

No more State Controlled Media

State Controlled Education

State Controlled Political Party

State Controlled Elections

5 Year Jail Sentence for Hanging Cuban Flag Upside Down

20 Year + Jail Sentence for freedom of speech.

Tourist Only Cuba = Fidel Castro's Cuba = Canadian & European Imperialism/Tourism/Terrorism


three things

1. don't compare me with the USSR I have my own socialist beliefs.

2. bush had thousands of blacks and jews bared from voting for no reason. THere were enough to turn Florida for Gore. Bush also had the recount stopped, just as Gore was closing in on him in votes.

3. Stop juggling THe US balls, let them go, the US don't want you riding its dick all damn day

[Vladimir Ulianov]

I don´t think Cubans want capitalism. It is a stupid answer of the all those motherfuckers who intend destroying the Socialism and justify that Liberal Democracy.

Until Castro Revolution, Cuba was lead by EE.UU. Yet all those generations who lived that fact know what there was and whta there is now; people is not stupid.

I´d be sooooo haappy if capitalists realised that economic development is not the same than human development... People need job, house, education, communications, transport, hospitals....and all those things must be free!!! Why? ´Cause a pearson is a pearson, simply - this is the maximum of socialism.

Cuba is a side where Socialism stand there yet...Will it fall? I don´t know, but if that takes place I don´t think it´s easy...

Bigger problem is that capitalist believe in a Negative History: "Historu has come here, the End is here, so, new ones ere bad and it is necessary fight against them...", but I don´t think the history has been ended...; Society changes!!!! Everything changes!!! The facts comes, people see them and, so, there´s somthing that changes in the mind..., so, there is the cause of Revolution...

Cya comrades!

[Stormin Norman]

Hey there commies,

Why don't you people put your money where your mouth is and go live in a communist country rather than try to destroy the perfectly good system we have hear in the U.S.. Let's see how far your political dissention gets you over there. You would be pushing up daisies in less than a month.

[ID2002]

Honestly, Capitalist.....you've got your neurons crossed! Cubans are pro-socialist`and anti-USA. They look at Bush as a trouble marker and a dumb assed loud mouth!
Bush is a fool to have insulted the Cuban people and Castro.

Plain and Simple.

[Kilian]

Capitalist, your accusations of hidden millions and slave labor are clearly false. Your mind is clouded by US propaganda. There is no proof that your accusations are correct. Concerned,
the reason why cubans are poor is the trade embargo and the Helms-Burton law. Stormin Norman, in Cuba death penalty can be given in cases of terrorism, murder or sexual crimes. Individual dissidents are accepted and not sent to jail. But for trying to overthrow the socialist system or for helping the trade embargo you can go to jail.