MALTE STOP THE OPPRESSION - of our comrades

[RGacky3]

stop banning people that don't have the same type of mind frame as you, stop restricting stalinists. I am sickend at what has happend to this site, what happend to freedom of speach which you liberals advocate. Malte, let people register, don't ban or restrict stalinists. They are fellow communists and comrades, don't give me your shit about, fashism, they are not fashists, you would know that if you took the time to talk to them. LET OUR COMRADES FREE.

[man in the red suit]

yeah, really. We're not all bad. We all share a common interest; socialism. Why should we be banned for not thinking like you. I don't mean to sit around here and ***** but this is a little disturbing. If I had a website, I wouldn't ban you for not liking Nirvana. Why the hate?

(Edited by man in the red suit at 5:01 am on June 20, 2002)

[Guest]

I thought all the stalinists were for the most part nonexistant (in the last week or so)

why bring this up now?

[RedCeltic]

No one is banning Stalinists! Under the new rules Nazis (National Socialists) and "National Bolsheviks" ( another name for National socialists) will be banned.

[Vide]

Why?

[RedCeltic]

Racist comments

[Edelweiss]

Yea, Gacky what the hell you are talking about? Stop your pathetic speeches, the new rules are about National Bolsheviks, which is not the same as Stalinists. If you can't accept this, get the hell out of here!

[Anonymous]

malte: i dont care if you kick stalinists but pleaze kick apache!! pleaze! he is even worst than those blast nazis!

[Ymir]

Whats the diff between national socialism and reg socialism? Is it just racism and hate crimes?

[marxistdisciple]

National Socialists is just what Nazis call themselves. There is nothing "social" about being fascists. In fact there are plenty of other racist boards on the net, they can shout there as much as they like, no one will listen.

True socialism is about inclusive politics and sharing of wealth, the "national socialists" did the exact opposite of this in the second world war, god knows why people thought they were socialists. Hitler called it "herd poison." It's easy to make people believe dumb things when they are in large crowds.

[Michael De Panama]

Don't kick out Apache. He's too stupid to bring any harm to this place. I'm not in favor of banning someone simply because they are fools, even if their foolishness is as great as Apache's. Let the little twit have his fun and waste his time giving us the same old arguments that were disproved long ago.

And Gacky, a Stalinist is NOT a communist. A Stalinist does not strive for a classless society. The only similarity between a Stalinist and a communist is that a Stalinist wants a command economy. They are not our comrades. I HAVE talked to them, as you know, and they ARE fascist. Essentially, Stalinism and fascism are nearly the exact same thing. I am not fighting for a totalitarian authority to control my life, I am fighting against the authority of the bourgeoisie for a classless society. Why the fuck would I ever consider siding with them? They are not our comrades.

They're gone, by the way. The war is over. We won. The Stalinists have all fled to their little underground elf village. No need to *****.

[RGacky3]

Quote: from Malte on 5:23 pm on June 20, 2002
Yea, Gacky what the hell you are talking about? Stop your pathetic speeches, the new rules are about National Bolsheviks, which is not the same as Stalinists. If you can't accept this, get the hell out of here!


are you going to ban then, becouse I dissagree with you, thats fashism.

and Panama, if thats true that you won the war and they all left thats very sad, they made this site interesting. They were not fashists I talked to them, they are not rasist, they want a classless society, they may be very authoritarian, but they believe that, that is the only way to make a socialistic state, they are comrads. I have nothing against kicking out nazis and rasists, but thine stalin, stalinsoldiers, redsolvietcccp are niether they are communists.

[Lefty]

im with malte. he is making it a better place by banning the fascists.

[Edelweiss]

gacky, get over it, none of the members you mentioned is banned, they just left by themself or are hardly posting. ThineStalin is resticted to SvsC because he even admitted by hmself that he's a nazi, he can be glad that he isn't totally banned. SS is restricted for racist, anti-semitic and just blatantly stupid comments. RedSoviet isn't can still post in all forums.

[guerrillaradio]

they are not rasist...

Did you actually read any of their posts??? They are anti-semites!! And they do not want a classless society, they want the bourgeiousie to be oppressed and the proleteriat to be the oppressors. Quite how this is different to feudalism is beyond me.

[RGacky3]

Quote: from Malte on 10:28 pm on June 20, 2002
gacky, get over it, none of the members you mentioned is banned, they just left by themself or are hardly posting. ThineStalin is resticted to SvsC because he even admitted by hmself that he's a nazi, he can be glad that he isn't totally banned. SS is restricted for racist, anti-semitic and just blatantly stupid comments. RedSoviet isn't can still post in all forums.




oh.................right then, sorry my mistake, I thought you banned them.

[RGacky3]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 10:38 pm on June 20, 2002

they are not rasist...

Did you actually read any of their posts??? They are anti-semites!! And they do not want a classless society, they want the bourgeiousie to be oppressed and the proleteriat to be the oppressors. Quite how this is different to feudalism is beyond me.


Have you ever talked to them?

[Vide]

Why ban/exile/silence anyone? Curbing free speech is authoritarian.

[Edelweiss]

I've said that so often but I'll repeat it: This is no state, you freedom of speech is not limited if you can't post here. This community only works as a leftist and progressive community as long as we have ceratin rules here. If you wanna discuss with racists, anti-semites or other close-minded people you have to go somewhere else.

[Vide]

So you pride yourself on elitism? Everyone do the hypocrisy dance!

[Edelweiss]

You obviesly didn't understand what I said...only because we didn't want to discuss with racists we are elitists, that's so stupid, vide!

[Vide]

It is elitist because you silence anyone with an opinion that differs from yours. You don't want discussion or debate, you want to be patted on the back and congratulated for being masters of the universe inside your socialist paradise, but entrance is restricted. It occurs to me that Hitler made a grand time of segregating Jews, Communists, Gays, Gypsies, Blacks, etc. during his reign, as well.

Tow the party line everyone! or else...

[Michael De Panama]

You know, there's a big difference between a government and a message board.

I'm not in favor of banning anyone unless absolutely necessary. Banning, actually, is an excercise in freedom of speech itself. There is no government interference when I tell someone to "shut up". The Stalinists have the same amount of ability to go and create their own message board. This one, however, was created by Malte. This isn't Malte's government. This isn't a nation we live in. This is a message board.

[Vide]

So you're justifying your oppression by arguing that it's only on a small scale? I wonder how large the scale would have to become before you stopped making excuses.

I never claimed anyone had any rights to anything on this board, but to silence those who would speak against you while consistently complaining about the same thing happening to you in the real world is pure hypocrisy.

You must become the change you wish to see in the world.

[Edelweiss]

Nice try vide, but it soesn't work that way. Why should be debate with racists in a leftist community??? You really don't get the point here. You don't want to understand it. Vide, it will shurely don't change the world if we would start to let the fascist join our parties, groups, organisations and Internet BB's, would it? Stop speaking about oppresion, because it has nothing to do with it.

Fascism is not an opnion -- it's a crime!

[Vide]

Why should be debate with racists in a leftist community???

Because a lack of debate leads to stagnation, complacency and apathy. Exclusively discussing political issues with members of the "left" is mental masturbation.

You really don't get the point here. You don't want to understand it.

The point is to create an exclusive, elitist "left-wing" community so that you can feel good about who you are because you're surrounded by dozens of little clones. You don't want discussion or debate. You want to create a socialist paradise by shutting everyone else out.

Vide, it will shurely don't change the world if we would start to let the fascist join our parties, groups, organisations and Internet BB's, would it?

Assuming I understood this sentence correctly, yes it would. If you can't even be tolerant of other opinions of a message board, what makes you think you'll be any more open-minded in real life?

Stop speaking about oppresion, because it has nothing to do with it.

Oppression has everything to do with "it."

Fascism is not an opnion -- it's a crime!

It's neither, Fascism is a political ideology and system. I'm just curious, do you hate fascism for the thought policing? How about the segregation? Or maybe the persecution and oppression of minorities? Hypocrisy abounds.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from Vide on 12:47 am on June 21, 2002
So you're justifying your oppression by arguing that it's only on a small scale? I wonder how large the scale would have to become before you stopped making excuses.

I never claimed anyone had any rights to anything on this board, but to silence those who would speak against you while consistently complaining about the same thing happening to you in the real world is pure hypocrisy.

You must become the change you wish to see in the world.


First off, this is not a "small scale". It isn't scaled! It is in no way related to a government structure. It's a message board on the internet.

Silencing the opposition is not what is being done. I'm not in favor of that. Silencing the irrational, illogical 12 year-olds who just get their jollies from spamming the place with nonsense is another.

Stop blowing things so far out of proportions.

[Vide]

First off, this is not a "small scale". It isn't scaled! It is in no way related to a government structure. It's a message board on the internet.

Are you actually that naive? I somehow refuse to believe it. This board has a set and defined authoritarian hierarchy which controls its denziens without a mandate from the masses. If that has nothing to do with government in your opinion, you need to read some more.

Silencing the opposition is not what is being done. I'm not in favor of that. Silencing the irrational, illogical 12 year-olds who just get their jollies from spamming the place with nonsense is another.

Silencing the opposition is what's being done. If irrational, illogical, spamming 12 year-olds were being banned left, right and centre, this place would be empty.

[Edelweiss]

Vide, it will shurely don't change the world if we would start to let the fascist join our parties, groups, organisations and Internet BB's, would it?

Assuming I understood this sentence correctly, yes it would. If you can't even be tolerant of other opinions of a message board, what makes you think you'll be any more open-minded in real life?
Yes vide, this is a left-wing community, and you won't change this with your stupid comments, if you don't like that, you are free to leave! "Open-minded too fascists", that's so stupid, either you are blatantly naive or you are one by yourself.

The point is to create an exclusive, elitist "left-wing" community so that you can feel good about who you are because you're surrounded by dozens of little clones. You don't want discussion or debate. You want to create a socialist paradise by shutting everyone else out.
You are so ignorant! Did you recognize in which forum you are just posting in? Hello???!! It's called socialism vs. capitalism, a left vs. right debate.
What we don't want here are open racists and anti-semites, people who are advocating or even avtively practicing violence and oppression of minorities and differently minded people. You are damn right, we are not tolerating them. We are fighting them!
And how can you compare oppression against racists to oppresio against minorities??? That's dumb Nazi rhetoric!

[Mazdak]

I hate to say it, but I see Vide's point. Right vs. Left would technically be communist/anarchist vs. Facist/conservative, would it not? And arguing with leftists entirely would basically be arguing with yourself.

Banning stupid racists and nazis is fine though, but Banning stalnists is different( being one who tries to see both sidees and arguements). If Stalin was a facist, then why did hitler hate him so, he hated him because he was a communist. I do not want to turn this into a pro stalinist debate, but Stalinists are still leftists, no matter how you see it.

[Vide]

Yes vide, this is a left-wing community, and you won't change this with your stupid comments, if you don't like that, you are free to leave! "Open-minded too fascists", that's so stupid, either you are blatantly naive or you are one by yourself.

I never wanted to change anything, I just wanted to point out your blatant hypocrisy, a goal I've accomplished. Your intolerance for other points of view does not speak well for your ideals.

You are so ignorant! Did you recognize in which forum you are just posting in? Hello???!! It's called socialism vs. capitalism, a left vs. right debate.

My ignorance aside, you are still banning dissidents and those whose views are not compatible with your own. Just because you leave some behind doesn't mean you're justified in silencing the others.

What we don't want here are open racists and anti-semites, people who are advocating or even avtively practicing violence and oppression of minorities and differently minded people. You are damn right, we are not tolerating them. We are fighting them!

So you don't want your views to be challenged? Ironically, if you really didn't want people here who were advocating oppression of minorities, you'd be out on your arse. How can you "fight" these people without even hearing them? Smacks of cowardice to me.

And how can you compare oppression against racists to oppresio against minorities??? That's dumb Nazi rhetoric!

Oh I see, it's alright to oppress certain groups, but not others. How judicious of you.

[Edelweiss]

Vide, I think we all know very well the inhuman worldview of the racists, we know that they are wrong. If have read more than one of their sick publications. Racist opnions are irrelevant!!! Why the fuck don't you get that? And stop comparing ethnical minorities to racists as if they were a oppressed groups that deserve any attention. Noone is born as a racist!

[Thine Stalin]

Lenin has been banned I believe, his emails say he has been unable to enter the site for over a week, I myself don't have racist tendancies, and I have made no posts to suggest such.

But you see in Malte's free communist society you can't be a capitalist, or anything else he doesn't like, or he banns you!

[Edelweiss]

Lenin hasn't ben banned. And TS, you have admitted that you are a Nazi, so what do you expect?

[Ymir]

We should respect malte for letting half of us on instead of playing devil's advocate for the third reicht.

[Vide]

This is becoming redundant on your part so I'll just quote people who are more famous than me as my riposte.

Vide, I think we all know very well the inhuman worldview of the racists, we know that they are wrong. If have read more than one of their sick publications. Racist opnions are irrelevant!!! Why the fuck don't you get that? And stop comparing ethnical minorities to racists as if they were a oppressed groups that deserve any attention. Noone is born as a racist!

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - George Orwell

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." - Noam Chomsky

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

Both racists and ethnic minorities are oppressed groups that deserve fairness and equality with respect to their rights. The sooner you learn that, the sooner you'll be able to step off the road to authoritarianism.

[Mazdak]

Could anyone do me the honor of providing us with quots in which any of the Stalinists expresses racist beliefs

[Apache]

Perhaps this is a very un-socialist observation but this BBS DOES belong to Malte. At the end of the day it is his editorial discretion as to who, or what, lives or dies here.
It also seems that if you do not have divergent or even some deviant points of view, the entire concept of a free exchange of ideas rings somewhat hollow.

[Edelweiss]

You just don't get it, vide. This is a BB not a state! Stop making pathetic quotes, if you want to provide your poor oppressed Nazi's a platform, than found an BB by your own. I will never make this place a platform for hatred, racism and stupidtity. It's against my morals.

[Valkyrie]

Letting the enemy fuck in your house (and yeah, Nazis are the enemy) is much more hypocritical than banning their ass. Anyone even tolerating that shit tells me they are not even sure about their own views. Besides what's there to debate about?


(Edited by Paris at 3:41 am on June 21, 2002)

[Vide]

Well, it's obvious we're not going to convince each other here. You have your opinion, and I have mine and I (unlike some people ;) ) can live with that. Since we've argued this one into the ground, I'll just let it go.

Cheers.

[marxistdisciple]

Thre great thing about freedom of speech, is you have the freedom to take you nazi ideals to another BB.

Racism and fascism is about generalising entire legions of people before you have even met them, by their religion or the colour of their skin. That's twisted and illogical.

I don't like having to lower our arguments on this board to accommodate people who are clearly either stupid or at least highly incorherant and blinded by hatred. Take your extreme views somewhere where people will listen. (There are plenty of racist boards and news groups to post in)
Capalists have differing opinions, but they usually aren't about to suggest that everyone who comes from a different country is inferior to them.

That's ridiculous....go read learn something.
No actually, go to meet some of these people you loathe from your biased elitist view. (I am assuming you haven't met every person on this earth, how can you judge them by hard and fast rules??)

[Anonymous]

You can argue with malte all day! he is right no one sayd malte was perfect no one sayd yhis was a state! this is maltes site! this is a leftist site, no nazis! I an with malte! i used to think like you! but now i understand! this is a leftist, anti-racist site soo anyone that doesnt follow those simple rules should be kicked

[Mazdak]

I am still waiting for quotes that prove any stalinists said anything racist. I am not for eitehr side in this dead argument, but would like to see the racist comments made by Stalinsoldiers/ThineStalin/Lenin?

This would prove Malte right.

[Thine Stalin]

We haven't made any, as they say 'when in rome...'

I don't think we should be restricted until we do say the thing you fear we will, then bann me for all I care, because atleast it deserved then.

[Edelweiss]

Qutoe by SS: "Fuck Jews"
Quote by TS: "I'm both a commie and a Nazi"

[Thine Stalin]

That post was made on a different forum, and for all you know its just hearsay, though I admit I posted it.

Ask the nazi's at thelyceum.org if it hasn't been shut down yet, what nazism is. It doesn't just mean 'hate' or racism comrade.

[Mazdak]

well, i can see the point now. I shall reitre from arguing either side now, Malte is right.

Thine Stalin- How the hell can one be bor extreme left and extreme rihgt- u cant have a cake and eat it too

[Thine Stalin]

Nazi's and communists have more in common with eachother than anarchists and communists, but you still find more common ground with them somehow.. don't let the race thing turn you away.

[Hattori Hanzo]

Vide- Nazis are so stupid they CAN"T be argued with!

Malte-I agree with you, but vide does have a point

ThineStalin- DON"T LET THE RACE THING TURN YOU AWAY?
:angry:
DON"T LET THe RACE THING TURN YOU AWAY?
:angry:
DON"T LET THe RACE THING TURN YOU AWAY?
:angry:
DON"T LET THe RACE THING TURN YOU AWAY?
:angry:
DON"T LET THe RACE THING TURN YOU AWAY?
:angry:
DON"T LET THe RACE THING TURN YOU AWAY?

:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

THE RACE "THING"

Nazis don't have a "race thing," Nazis are fueled by a "race thing" I really don't think you're a nazi if you think nazis have a "race thing"

[man in the red suit]

I think T.S is saying that he's a nazi in the sense that he is a nationalist, not a rascist. Many people associate racism with nazism which is completely understandable. I make this mistake myself. I hate nazis as much as the next person, but that doesn't mean that they are all rascists. I've talked to T.S, and he is far from a rascist. The least bit anti-semetic thing he ever said was concerning the Jewish STEREOTYPE. Even I don't like the Jewish stereotype and I am Jew. I hate to think that people see all of us as fat greedy snobs. we are not, and that is exactly what T.S is tryng to tell you. I don't think it was right for him to say he was a nazi, because I don't think he is. Nazis are fascist. T.S is simply a nationalist. I don't see a problem with loving your country unless you are an American. S.S is a nut-case and should be restricted but T.S is not a rascist.

As for everyone else, who cares? I used to ***** about this a lot. I agree 100% with vide but it won't do me any good. Malte has control of this site whether we like it or not. He has a point that we are free to leave whenever we like. The day I make a site like this (probably never) I will let all of you post whatever you like. But since I do not, You will unfortunately have to play ball with Malte and say only what he wants to hear.

That's all I have to say...........

[Stormin Norman]

Malte,

I do appreciate the opportunity to debate the evils of communism. I agree that the discussion should not be mired with racist rantings. However, one should not be banned based solely on the fact that the hold racist beliefs, because sometimes the nature of socialism/communism manifests itself in such a way. If the ignoramous has something to contribute to the debate they should be allowed, unless the only thing that comes out of their mouth is racist slurs, as ranting of this type are unproductive and clog the bulletin board.
In order to understand the difference between communism and the Nazi variety of socialism, one must look at the reasons behind the mass murders that were executed under both systems. Communists kill people based on their political ideology, where as, the Nazis used race as a tool. A dehumanizing or chilling effect must occur, in either instance, for the population to support the murder of so many. The results are strikingly similar, millions of people dead. It is for these reasons that people who proport socialism, yet subscribe to racism should be allowed on the board. Keep this in mind when using your descretion to ban people. Maybe racist don't agree with your style of socialism, but I think that viewpoint is necessary in order to fully understand all sides of the issue.

[guerrillaradio]

Let TS roam...he's harmless alone. Lenin and RedSoviet just spammed the place with insults and homophobic anti-semitic rhetoric. Mazdak, if you want to see the kinda posts those two made go to the homophobe thread on Q & A. Absolute bullshit....

[Mazdak]

I will do that then. And if nazis and socialists are so alike, than why did mussolini's black shirts beat the crap out of them all the time?

[RGacky3]

I don't care if you agree with him if nazi's are like communists or not, weather you agree with him or not is not the point, he's still a comrade. Malte sorry for getting so pissed at you I thought you banned them.

[samaniego]

Vide, I think you made a GREAT! argument. Your defense of freedom of speech was inspiring. I know your not defending any one's point of view only their ability to make it. It's ironic that those who may feel that the message of the left, is gagged would gag others as well. I think it teaches many here that it's better to ban those with view's we don't like rather than to silence them with the truth. I would hate to see what kind of change you guy's bring with that kind of idea.

[Edelweiss]

All this babbeling about freedom of speech for Nazi's is making me sick. I see it as my duty as an anti-fascist to fight and silence the Nazi scum with all means necessary. This includes of course to not let them spread their propaganda on Che-Lives. Your exaggerated liberalism is naive and dangerous.

[Thine Stalin]

Except for the fact, that even if I were a nazi who took race into account, I haven't been advertising nazism to you at all.

[man in the red suit]

If you silence nazism, your just being a stalinist which you hate. You should simply keep them restricted to the socialism vs capitalism like you do wiht the cappies.

[Mazdak]

hey, once again, why does everyone pick on us poor stalinists?

[man in the red suit]

hey I don't pick on you guys. I just don't agree with you. :)

[Pythagoras]

LOL pure fascism. ROFL this board is run like the Gestapo. At least I run an open free speech board and take all comers, even Marxists.

[Moskitto]

No, If this board was run like the Gestapo, Capitalist Imperial, Capitalist Fighter, Thine Stalin, You, Power1, American Kid, Stormin Norman etc would all be banned.

And if you want to moan about it, go to WCOTC and post anti-WCOTC material and see what happens. THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL DISCUSSION BOARD CAPICHE?

And I agree with Hanzo, I never have understood why you're allowed to give lethal injection to dogs but you're not allowed to lunge a 7' butchers knife through a nazi. I mean it somehow suggests that nazis are more important than dogs. Which quite frankly they aren't. Generally nazis are well, a desiese and dogs are adorable creatures. We give antibiotics to hospital patients with desieses but we don't send paramilitary deathsquads to kill nazis. Why not?

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from Moskitto on 6:48 pm on June 28, 2002
No, If this board was run like the Gestapo, Capitalist Imperial, Capitalist Fighter, Thine Stalin, You, Power1, American Kid, Stormin Norman etc would all be banned.
Haha. Yes. And Apache would be sent to the death camps at once.

[RedSovietCCCP]

(micheal) Little 16 year old, your saying that stalinist aren't communist?? Stalinist beleive in abolition of private property which makes them commuinst!!!! Are you saying leninist aren't communist??? We believe in the dictatorship of the proletariat as a temporary institution, a necessary, transitional stage preceding genuine communism, you fucking idiot!!! Read my fucking signature!!!!

You won the war??? Where not here anymore???? First of all malte kicked most of the stalinist off this site!! Second of all I have been in school, so sometimes I don't have time to write on this site!! And also I enjoy my summer by doing things other than writing on a computer all summer and trying to pick up on girls on a web-site you ugly little fuck!!!!!!!! Get away from your mommys computer and get a social life, FUCKING PUSSY (Micheal de panama)!!!!!!!


(Edited by RedSovietCCCP at 8:38 pm on June 29, 2002)

[Apache]

Haha. Yes. And Apache would be sent to the death camps at once.
Well, I am still deciding on what to do for my Summer vacation.
How are the accommodations at Malte's Death Camp?
'Food good?

[Apache]

Would this be a "traditional" death camp?
Like with dead people and stuff??
I want to know how MALTE got liability insurance.
The premiums must be horrendous.
Because, it it well... A "DEATH" Camp.
I have a feeling there may not be a bunch of repeat business.

[Edelweiss]

You won the war??? Where not here anymore???? First of all malte kicked most of the stalinist off this site!!

That's simply not true!

[Apache]

MALTE: Do you have any brochures on your Death Camp?
Can I book it through my travel agent?

[Power1]

Quote: from Malte on 1:02 am on June 21, 2002

Fascism is not an opnion -- it's a crime!


I would say communism is a crime and fascism is an opinion but it' s your choice to what you think.

[Power1]

Quote: from Moskitto on 6:48 pm on June 28, 2002
No, If this board was run like the Gestapo, Capitalist Imperial, Capitalist Fighter, Thine Stalin, You, Power1, American Kid, Stormin Norman etc would all be banned.

And if you want to moan about it, go to WCOTC and post anti-WCOTC material and see what happens. THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL DISCUSSION BOARD CAPICHE?

And I agree with Hanzo, I never have understood why you're allowed to give lethal injection to dogs but you're not allowed to lunge a 7' butchers knife through a nazi. I mean it somehow suggests that nazis are more important than dogs. Which quite frankly they aren't. Generally nazis are well, a desiese and dogs are adorable creatures. We give antibiotics to hospital patients with desieses but we don't send paramilitary deathsquads to kill nazis. Why not?

I would say that communists arn't more important than dogs. At least National Socialism had some good points unlike communism.

Anway National Socialism did have socialist elements so you shoudn't hate it so much. It commited terrible crimes but so did communism.

[Thine Stalin]

I feel more brotherhood with nazis than anarchists, as should all communists. Anarchists are just capitalists who want no goverment to control their already overly powerful economy, putting the rich that one step more above everyone else.

[Stormin Norman]

Thine,

Why are you the only communist on this board that accepts the fact that communists and nazis are virtually one and the same?

[Thine Stalin]

Communists and nazi's are very similiar, they have ideals similiar to the current ones in use by european nations. Apart from the racial disagreements, we are very similiar politically.

[Moskitto]

I would say that communists arn't more important than dogs. At least National Socialism had some good points unlike communism.

Nazis aren't more important than dogs. They demonstate their "racial superiority" by beating up people of other ethicities at a 7-1 ratio. Dogs can maul more that 1/7 of a person, therefore Nazis aren't as good as dogs.

[Mazdak]

Bah! "apart from racism"- that is like the most fundamental part of nazism. And Nazism supports extreme nationalism which is a despicable force

[Stormin Norman]

'And Nazism supports extreme nationalism which is a despicable force', said the person who uses the Soviet flag as an avatar.

[Power1]

Nationlism is a good thing it promotes love and kinship.

Moskitto i agree that violence is bad but National Socialism still did good things.

Nazis identical to communists apart from racial disagreements. What about the difference in economic opinion.

[Stormin Norman]

Enlighten me. Exactly what is the difference between socialism and communism?

[Thine Stalin]

Socialism is merely economic and communism is a goverment, atleast, thats what I think, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Moskitto]

nationalism promotes hate. Oh, yeah, love for a piece of fucking land.

Nazis<Dogs

[Thine Stalin]

Many nazi's were prolateriat, the starters of the nazi movement in germany was the prolateriat. To put dogs above human beings is wrong, to put anything above the people is wrong.

[Moskitto]

But mathmatically Dogs are above Nazis.

[Hayduke]

Quote: from Moskitto on 10:47 pm on June 30, 2002
nationalism promotes hate. Oh, yeah, love for a piece of fucking land.

Nazis<Dogs


I did not choose the country I was born in, so there's no reason to be proud of it.

[Thine Stalin]

When life gives you lemons...

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from Thine Stalin on 9:18 pm on June 29, 2002
Communists and nazi's are very similiar, they have ideals similiar to the current ones in use by european nations. Apart from the racial disagreements, we are very similiar politically.

Communists and Nazis are the complete opposites of one another, you fool. Just ask Mussolini! The fascists and the commies both recognize this. They are our enemies, and we are theirs.

"...Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society.... "

- Benito Mussolini

Dogs are superior to Nazis in every fucking way. Deal with it. Nazis killed millions upon millions of innocent people, idiot.

[Michael De Panama]

You, by the way, are not a communist. You have proven just now, although some have chosen not to accept it, that the Stalinist is a fascist, not a communist.

[Moskitto]

When life gives you lemons...

mmmmmm, lemons.

seriously though, I don't know that proverb.

[Michael De Panama]

"When life gives you lemons, hate all those who have oranges and love only those who also have lemons."

[Thine Stalin]

Facism doesn't automatically mean nazi either...

when life gives you lemons, make lemonade.

[Moskitto]

Actually, I might be mistaken but the one that Thine Stalin said sounds a bit familiar. But I don't see lemons making countries like?

[Michael De Panama]

No, but Nazi DOES automatically mean "fascist". All that fascism as a broad ideology stands for can be applied to National Socialism as a more narrow ideology.

If you truly believe that the Nazis and the Commies have anything in common, please elaborate. Because that is literally the stupidest thing that anyone on this board has ever said, and that's pretty serious if you look at the competition with everything StalinSoldiers has ever said.

[Thine Stalin]

Ok, both believe in welfare, argue that into the ground so I can give another, don't wanna make your hands too tired, you know?

[Stormin Norman]

"I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free"-some songwriter, I can't remember who.

A statement which is be true for me. No I didn't pick the place I was born, but I am lucky it was the U.S.. I am proud of the countryside, nothing is more beautiful than the American West. The principle that founded our current government is one of the most divine things of this world, and I am also proud of that. Capitalism and free market enterprise, allows for the wealth that is enjoyed by many in this country, yet another reason to be proud. According to many of you, being proud of my heritage makes me a nationalist. I guess you are right because I would fight and die in order to defend the things mentioned above.

[Michael De Panama]

Argue that into the ground? If that's all you've got, then why bother? Do you honestly believe yourself? Most capitalists believe in welfare. Do you honestly think this makes Nazis and communists "very similar"? Are you truly as stupid as you make yourself out to be, or is this some big joke?

[RedSovietCCCP]

Read what I have to say about you on page 7 of this topic, micheal. And I won't be able to write about your ignorant, non-educated, stupid remarks until tomarrow because I have a social life unlike you. And try to meet girls in the real world not on your mommys computer!!!

Have a good day fuck face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mazdak]

What the fuck is wrong with not having a social life.

[Thine Stalin]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 11:54 pm on June 30, 2002
Argue that into the ground? If that's all you've got, then why bother? Do you honestly believe yourself? Most capitalists believe in welfare. Do you honestly think this makes Nazis and communists "very similar"? Are you truly as stupid as you make yourself out to be, or is this some big joke?



No it was one example, I didn't care to waste time giving off a list when it won't change your opinions so why not just give a generic one?

Whatever though, Nazi's believe in a strong central goverment too, then I don't care honestly, its too hot to just sit here and type out bullsh*t to keep you occupied in wasting your time just to prove me wrong when i couldn't honestly care less.

Fine, nazi's believe in equality(not your 3rd reich, just don't use that as example), nazi's believe in one party, what the f*ck more do you want?

[American Kid]

Brah, you're arguing FOR the Nazis?

That's like going to a podium and saying, "I'm here in defense today of a misunderstood, underrated organism whose good name and reputation has been dragged through the mud on a non-stop basis since the early/mid- eighties. I'm speaking of course of the AIDS virus. It's not that bad, it's hardly even airborne, it's now highly treatable and most people don't even have it unless their a jew or one of them queers."

In other words, you're defending the undefensable. Go back to Mars with your golash.

-AK

(Edited by American Kid at 3:46 am on July 1, 2002)

[Michael De Panama]

RedSoviet, I'm not going to go out and "meet girls in the real world". I already have a girlfriend. Why would I want to go out and "meet girls"? I'm secure with where I am right now, as far as chicks go. What is this nonsense about "meeting girls on mommy's computer"? You are pretty insecure with yourself, aren't you? Are you scared that people might not accept you? Are you afraid of rejection? Do you have a very negative self image, and feel that the only way to compensate for your feelings of weakness is to portray yourself as a stronger person? You poor, poor thing. Do you want a hug?

Thine Stalin, backing up your rediculous accusations is not a "waste of time", it's expected if you want anyone to take you seriously. Nazis, like all other fascists, believe in absolute inequality. Nazis believe in one party. Only certain commies believe in one party. I am against this brand of "communism". On that, I'll agree that it is very Nazi-like. But communism as a whole is the complete opposite of National Socialism. If you're talking about Stalinism or even Leninism, you can probably find some similarities. But when talking strictly on the Marxian analogy of communism, the two systems are like night and day. That's pretty obvious.

[Power1]

Quote: from D DAY on 6:15 pm on June 30, 2002

Quote: from Moskitto on 10:47 pm on June 30, 2002
nationalism promotes hate. Oh, yeah, love for a piece of fucking land.

Nazis<Dogs


I did not choose the country I was born in, so there's no reason to be proud of it.


You may not be able to choose where you are born but it doen't mean you shoudn't be proud to be British or whatever nationalty.

I'm proud to be British because of our great history and our acheviements in all fields.

Moskitto why do have to keep saying dogs are above nazis. Everybody knows your views so you don't have to repeat them.

What did communism achieve anyway at least National Socialism did some good things.

[Moskitto]

Nazism didn't achieve anything. Why was there a massive famine in occupied WESTERN Europe after the war? Because the Nazis were lower than dogs and caused everyone to starve even when democracy came to the region, Don't even try to compare this to the USSR because I don't remember a famine in the Early 90s in Russia.

And don't try to deny this famine, there's video footage of kids who have skin that can peeled off there bones.

Dogs>Nazis

[Red Revolution]

Nazis have a lot more differences than similarities to communism.

- A nazi government will use persicution to promote its cause.

- Not all businesses would be nationalized.

- The nation would be re-built upon a military dictatorship.

- All negotiations with any other country would be stopped

- Instead of wanting the world as a whole communist, a nazi wants to compete with other countries to create an empire and to test the greatness of its military (very imperialistic)

-The organization of the country under nazism would be more like ancient Egypt than modern thinking.

national socialism, a contradiction in terms?

[Power1]

Quote: from Moskitto on 6:23 pm on July 1, 2002
Nazism didn't achieve anything. Why was there a massive famine in occupied WESTERN Europe after the war? Because the Nazis were lower than dogs and caused everyone to starve even when democracy came to the region, Don't even try to compare this to the USSR because I don't remember a famine in the Early 90s in Russia.

And don't try to deny this famine, there's video footage of kids who have skin that can peeled off there bones.

Dogs>Nazis


Didn't achieve anything did they?
Germany was a wreak after world war one. There was hyper inflation. People got their wages in wheelbarrows and still coudn't afford a cup of cafe. Millons were unemployed and starving to death. The Nazis then swept to power. In 6 years before the war they ended all unemployement and starvation. The average German had e private property than at any time during the weimer republic. The country was also military weak and within 6 years Hitler had turned it into a military superpower ready to take on the world. They also were the first government to reconise race as all importent.

[guerrillaradio]

I've read the comments from TS, and I feel sick. If a so-called leftist is banging on about Nazism then I can understand why the vast majority of the developed world is anti-left. I'm disgusted, actually close to throwing it all in and becoming capitalist. What is the point of trying if twats like TS are gonna tell me why I should be a fucking Nazi??

EDIT: Ok, I've calmed down a bit now. I'm sorry, there's not much chance of me becoming a cappie :). I just wish that Nazis fucks would stay the fuck away from the left.

(Edited by guerrillaradio at 11:00 pm on July 1, 2002)

[Apache]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 2:29 pm on July 1, 2002
I've read the comments from TS, and I feel sick. If a so-called leftist is banging on about Nazism then I can understand why the vast majority of the developed world is anti-left. I'm disgusted, actually close to throwing it all in and becoming capitalist. What is the point of trying if twats like TS are gonna tell me why I should be a fucking Nazi??

Join me in The Dark Side guerrillaradio, together we will rule the galaxy, as Father and Son!

[Moskitto]

You're knowledge of History isn't too great.

Stresseman and the Weimar Republic stopped Hyperinflation in 1923 and rebuilt Germany during the 1920s. Sure Germany crashed again in the 30s and Hitler rebuilt them but so what? Stalin was doing the same thing in the USSR at the same time. By your logic Stalin was a great person indeed and communism did a lot of good for everyone.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Apache on 10:31 pm on July 1, 2002
Join me in The Dark Side guerrillaradio, together we will rule the galaxy, as Father and Son!


And eventually, I'll kill you...so ner.

[RGacky3]

Quote: from RedSovietCCCP on 9:23 am on June 29, 2002
(micheal) Little 16 year old, your saying that stalinist aren't communist?? Stalinist beleive in abolition of private property which makes them commuinst!!!! Are you saying leninist aren't communist??? We believe in the dictatorship of the proletariat as a temporary institution, a necessary, transitional stage preceding genuine communism, you fucking idiot!!! Read my fucking signature!!!!

You won the war??? Where not here anymore???? First of all malte kicked most of the stalinist off this site!! Second of all I have been in school, so sometimes I don't have time to write on this site!! And also I enjoy my summer by doing things other than writing on a computer all summer and trying to pick up on girls on a web-site you ugly little fuck!!!!!!!! Get away from your mommys computer and get a social life, FUCKING PUSSY (Micheal de panama)!!!!!!!


(Edited by RedSovietCCCP at 8:38 pm on June 29, 2002)


DAMN COMRADE calm down, personal insults ar'nt doing anything, jesus, were all comrades here.

[RGacky3]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 11:54 pm on June 30, 2002
"I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free"-some songwriter, I can't remember who.

A statement which is be true for me. No I didn't pick the place I was born, but I am lucky it was the U.S.. I am proud of the countryside, nothing is more beautiful than the American West. The principle that founded our current government is one of the most divine things of this world, and I am also proud of that. Capitalism and free market enterprise, allows for the wealth that is enjoyed by many in this country, yet another reason to be proud.



And how many other country sides have you seen you fucking cappie shit hole, (sorry for the personal insult, I just hate people who think the U$ is the best country in the world). The MOST DEVINE PRINCIPLES, how they hell is it devine, its not the Bible you fucking fool.

[RGacky3]

Quote: from Moskitto on 6:23 pm on July 1, 2002
Nazism didn't achieve anything. Why was there a massive famine in occupied WESTERN Europe after the war? Because the Nazis were lower than dogs and caused everyone to starve even when democracy came to the region, Don't even try to compare this to the USSR because I don't remember a famine in the Early 90s in Russia.

And don't try to deny this famine, there's video footage of kids who have skin that can peeled off there bones.

Dogs>Nazis


I'm not defending Nazism, only correcting you. The Famine was caused by the war, war usually causes famine. And you also have to remember, Hitler was voted in, DEMOCRATICALLY.

[man in the red suit]

dam nomar, take it easy on stormin normin.

[Thine Stalin]

Quote: from Red Revolution on 10:08 pm on July 1, 2002
Nazis have a lot more differences than similarities to communism.

- A nazi government will use persicution to promote its cause.

- Not all businesses would be nationalized.

- The nation would be re-built upon a military dictatorship.

- All negotiations with any other country would be stopped

- Instead of wanting the world as a whole communist, a nazi wants to compete with other countries to create an empire and to test the greatness of its military (very imperialistic)

-The organization of the country under nazism would be more like ancient Egypt than modern thinking.

national socialism, a contradiction in terms?


Most of that is wrong..

Communist goverments frequently use persecution as a means to gain power and promote its cause, Oh.. I forget, according you liberals there was no real communist goverment.

Nazism doesn't intend for all business' to be nationalized, and you liberal communists shouldn't want that either.

This does not deserve reply, how the fuck would you know if it was based on a military dictatorship, are you basing everything on the 3rd reich?

Hitler had negotiations with the british up until nearly the end of the war, he offered numerous peace treaties, and don't think I am trying to justify hitler. Hitler also shrewdly negotiated the invasion of Poland with the USSR

Where'd you get that from? Hitler wanted the entire world to be Nazi, and extremely segregated, hell he didn't even intend on wiping out the jews, he just wanted to relocate them, and when this was no possible, he killed them, he didn't care whether they died, they weren't people to him anyway. But it wasn't his original intention to cause the holocaust

Ancient Egypt was a liberal monarchy, and hitler didn't want jews in his nation, much less as slaves.

[Thine Stalin]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 10:29 pm on July 1, 2002
I've read the comments from TS, and I feel sick. If a so-called leftist is banging on about Nazism then I can understand why the vast majority of the developed world is anti-left. I'm disgusted, actually close to throwing it all in and becoming capitalist. What is the point of trying if twats like TS are gonna tell me why I should be a fucking Nazi??

EDIT: Ok, I've calmed down a bit now. I'm sorry, there's not much chance of me becoming a cappie :). I just wish that Nazis fucks would stay the fuck away from the left.

(Edited by guerrillaradio at 11:00 pm on July 1, 2002)


I don't want you to be a nazi, be want you want, you don't have any pride and you'd ***** about a communist goverment anyway.

You people are more right wing than me..

[Mazdak]

LOL, Nazis advocate nationalism however. And when Mussolini's facists took power, they had the support of the CHURCH!! Both undesirable things. Nationalism needs to be wiped out and so does religion(at least in public places).

[Edelweiss]

Power1, it's very obvious that you are a Nazi, don't try to hide it anymore! Your methods to spread your sick propaganda aren't very subtle. Get the hell out of here, you stupid fuck!

[Moskitto]

RGacky3, you have just proved my point.

Nazis need other, more intelligent, non-nazis to think for them. Such as you have done for this nazi.

Therefore you have proved my point that Dogs>Nazis as dogs can think their ways out of problems and nazis so far have not. I must congratulate you.

[Red Revolution]

Quote: from Thine Stalin on 2:13 am on July 2, 2002



Most of that is wrong..

Communist goverments frequently use persecution as a means to gain power and promote its cause, Oh.. I forget, according you liberals there was no real communist goverment.

Nazism doesn't intend for all business' to be nationalized, and you liberal communists shouldn't want that either.

This does not deserve reply, how the fuck would you know if it was based on a military dictatorship, are you basing everything on the 3rd reich?

Hitler had negotiations with the british up until nearly the end of the war, he offered numerous peace treaties, and don't think I am trying to justify hitler. Hitler also shrewdly negotiated the invasion of Poland with the USSR

Where'd you get that from? Hitler wanted the entire world to be Nazi, and extremely segregated, hell he didn't even intend on wiping out the jews, he just wanted to relocate them, and when this was no possible, he killed them, he didn't care whether they died, they weren't people to him anyway. But it wasn't his original intention to cause the holocaust

Ancient Egypt was a liberal monarchy, and hitler didn't want jews in his nation, much less as slaves.


The info I posted were the ideas conveyed from Mein Kampf (which I am reading - english version). I do however realise that the policies changed during Hitlers reign but would like to explain some things.

Hitler did nationalize most businesses but not large ones especially crupps steel works which enabled him to keep producing arms until the end. If he had nationalized it he would not have had the support of the aristocracy.

In Mien Kampf he writes about an EMPIRE with no jews who would be got rid of by any means possible. Also in 1942 he ordered the immediate extermination of all jews in occupied Europe.

You speak about numerous treaties with the British until the end of the war? Communication completely broke down when Churchill took over from Chamberlain. The only other contact they had was in 1943 when the ONLY offer of peace from the allies was sent and rejected.

The only reason I am reading Mien Kampf is that I want to understand more about that period of history (Wiemar Germany). I am not a nazi and would like to educate people on the complete shambles that should not be called a state of government more like a diluded fantasy.

(Edited by Red Revolution at 10:30 pm on July 2, 2002)

[RGacky3]

Moskitto Nazi's are not less than dogs, no human is less than dogs. I don't a gree with Nazism becouse of the racism and killing of innocent people. Even If I don't agree with some one I don't go around, making personal insults, degrading people, I respect them as much as any one else, becouse no one desearves to be disrespected. Well, apart form hard core cappies ;)

[Mazdak]

Thine Stalin is going to end up banned, that is pretty obvious. So, TS, do you have any last words before Malte reads those last few remarks

[Thine Stalin]

Malte has already read what I wrote, I think you're trying to suggest to him to bann me. I don't think I've crossed the line anywhere, and I haven't broken any rule here yet.

[Red Revolution]

Then why does it say nazi scum under your avatar then?

[RGacky3]

Quote: from Red Revolution on 9:15 pm on July 3, 2002
Then why does it say nazi scum under your avatar then?

Becouse Malte want's to have a bit of fun. That does'nt mean he is nazi scum.

[PunkRawker677]

"When life gives you lemons... "

When life gives you lemons, squeeze it into a water gun and squirt your enemy in the eyes.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from RGacky3 on 11:56 pm on July 2, 2002
no one desearves to be disrespected. Well, apart form hard core cappies ;)

What do you think a Nazi is????

[Mazdak]

HEy, TS, i dont want u banned, but i am sure plenty of people here do and Malte has banned a few other posters already and already said he doesnt want nazis on the board. I am sure he will, but i have no intentions of suggesting he does so. the more stalinists here, the better.

[Capitalist Imperial]

The nazis were defeated almost 60 years ago, and any ignorant remnants are not a real threat. Nazi politics and thinking will not get mainstream representation in the modern world, so don't worry about them. Modern nazis are mere neo-relics, mostly dumb kids looking for an identity. Ignore them.

[Edelweiss]

Shit CI, again one of those naive remarks, the fascists are actually killing people were I'm from. In some areas in Germany there are nearly daily attacks from violent Neo-Nazis on foreigners and other people who don't fit into the sick worldview of those filth. And there are already many right-wing governments in Europe, just look at the fascist Haider in Austria or at Berlusconi in Italy, he's even officially coalating with the neo-fascists.
Ignoring the fascists would be wrong, fighting them with more than just words is necessary.

[Capitalist Imperial]

point taken

[RGacky3]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 12:05 am on July 4, 2002

Quote: from RGacky3 on 11:56 pm on July 2, 2002
no one desearves to be disrespected. Well, apart form hard core cappies ;)

What do you think a Nazi is????


good point, I take back the hard core cappie thing.

[Michael De Panama]

Gacky, do you now see why I so strongly refused to shake hands with these neo-fascists? Do you now see how foolish it was to deny Thine Stalin's Nazi beliefs? They are NOT our comrades. They are worse than the cappies.

[Thine Stalin]

We share common goals, we both want equality for all the people, even if the level of equalness is different for us both. I think that in the unlikley scenario of a communist revolution in america, I would fight with you as comrades, but don't expect me not to stab you in the back craftily once you've served your purpose, no just kidding, but you shouldn't expect any stalinist not to put his agenda before your own.

[Michael De Panama]

Thank you, Thine Stalin. I look forward to hearing your response to the following:
( &#0124; )
This is your ass. It is very fat.

(Edited by Michael De Panama at 3:13 am on July 5, 2002)

[Thine Stalin]

I don't have a fucking fatass but you fucking resorted to personal insults again, don't ***** next time I don't respond to your post, aight? Cuz you proving you've just turned back to your old ways recently.

[RGacky3]

Quote: from Thine Stalin on 3:02 am on July 5, 2002
We share common goals, we both want equality for all the people, even if the level of equalness is different for us both. I think that in the unlikley scenario of a communist revolution in america, I would fight with you as comrades, but don't expect me not to stab you in the back craftily once you've served your purpose, no just kidding, but you shouldn't expect any stalinist not to put his agenda before your own.


You see, Michael, what I've been telling you all along, they are our comrades. Stalinist or liberal we are all communists thus comrades, personally I think the stalinists are better comrades that the liberals now.

[RGacky3]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 3:13 am on July 5, 2002
Thank you, Thine Stalin. I look forward to hearing your response to the following:
( &#0124; )
This is your ass. It is very fat.

(Edited by Michael De Panama at 3:13 am on July 5, 2002)


Michael your a cock, the stalinists probably should stab you in the back, here he is being nice, being a comrade and this is the best thing you can say, your a basterd.

[Michael De Panama]

Do you really believe you fucking deserve an intelligent response, Thine Stalin? Whenever I bring any good argument to the table you just ignore it. Why the hell should I waste my energy giving you an intelligent response to such stupidity? You aren't WORTH anything above a "fuck you", TS. I've wasted too much of my time and energy with you fascists. So, fuck you.

You too, Gacky. Fuck you. Your sympathy to these fascists disgusts me. The rest of the communist world would be better off with you on the side of the capitalists. Either educate yourself as to what a STALINIST is, and compare it to the definition of communism or socialism, or, if that's too much of a bother, go defend the cappies. I'm sorry I'm being so harsh with you, man, but you really MUST STOP with this Stalinist sympathy. Enough is enough.

[American Kid]

Yo, Stalin. What up?

Basically, would you throw all the jews in a pit? If you had your way, that is. I'm not asking you for a favor or anything here, y'know this isn't a solicitation type deal or anything. Hope I didn't get your hopes up, comrade.

Seriously, it's pretty simple. Answer that for me. I've read a lot of your posts and I've been waiting for an excuse to jump on you. Gimme a good reason.


-The AMERICAN Kid

(I might make you quake a bit. My grandfather probably blew yours away during the Battle of the Bulge. Nazis tend to retain residual mental damages)


.........and now we return to the 21rst century

(Edited by American Kid at 3:37 am on July 6, 2002)

[Thine Stalin]

My family is very anti-nazi and I don't believe in geonicide, I don't think I've said anywhere that any race or culture should DIE. My grandfather, and great grandfather served in the english army as sergant major and corperal, in World War II, don't assume things. But besides that my grandfather was a nationalist, anti-immigration, but his 'nazism' went as far as my did, which was limiting immigration and cultural pride, he was proud of being british. I'm not pure blood anything, but I can be proud of the country I am a citizen of, which isn't the united states.

In response to micheal, do you honestly think I care if you're gonna put an effort into replying to me?

[American Kid]

You haven't said it yet, but would you?

This is an honest question, and you have to understand claiming to be a nazi raises people's eyebrows. What would happen to the jews?

-Kid

[Thine Stalin]

Of course being nazi raises people's eyebrows, ever tried checking out, 'mein kampf' from the library? Heh, its an expierence.

Mein kampf isn't that great of a book by the way, it seems like hitler's way of ranting about nothings.

In my image of a perfect goverment, nothing would happen to the present jews, I wouldn't allow future immigrants, from ANY country, just as I wouldn't allow any dissidents to leave and spread lies to make people hate my country. I also would force religon to be a private affair, keep it in your home or be fined, I don't care what religon you are.

I don't enjoy the stereotypical jewish culture, but I don't hate the jews personally or them entirely as a 'race' or religon.

[Red Revolution]

Thine Stalin

Your digging yourself a bigger hole, quit while your still here.

[Lefty]

hahah when did stalin's rank get changed? Its perfect!

[RGacky3]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 2:02 am on July 6, 2002
Do you really believe you fucking deserve an intelligent response, Thine Stalin? Whenever I bring any good argument to the table you just ignore it. Why the hell should I waste my energy giving you an intelligent response to such stupidity? You aren't WORTH anything above a "fuck you", TS. I've wasted too much of my time and energy with you fascists. So, fuck you.

You too, Gacky. Fuck you. Your sympathy to these fascists disgusts me. The rest of the communist world would be better off with you on the side of the capitalists. Either educate yourself as to what a STALINIST is, and compare it to the definition of communism or socialism, or, if that's too much of a bother, go defend the cappies. I'm sorry I'm being so harsh with you, man, but you really MUST STOP with this Stalinist sympathy. Enough is enough.


Good day michael, you just sayed to me "FUCK YOU" on AIM, and called me worthless, becouse I don't hate stalinists. Now this is what I will do, I will take you to your room, nail you self to your wall. I will run a sharpend metal pole through your knee caps, so that all your wait is on your hands which are nailed to the wall, then I will take your family, tie them up and burn them in front of your eyes, I will then heat up a small pole and use it to blind you, the last thing you will see is your family burning. Then I will pull your finger nails out, and your toenails. I will rape your girlfreind and the last thing you will hear are her screams, then I will kill her. Then I will slice your stomach open with a dagger, push salt and lemon juice into the wound, and leave you there to die slowly.

I was just trying to be nice, trying to be a comrade, now you will have to die.

[Mazdak]

That sounds strangely familiar, but i still laugh.

But i could have thought up far better tortures Gacky, yours seemed to simple and quick, be elaborate!!! I suggest you do some research on Vlad the Impaler, then you can truly make some nice "execution posts."

[RGacky3]

Quote: from Mazdak on 4:07 am on July 8, 2002
That sounds strangely familiar, but i still laugh.

But i could have thought up far better tortures Gacky, yours seemed to simple and quick, be elaborate!!! I suggest you do some research on Vlad the Impaler, then you can truly make some nice "execution posts."

Comrade, I can think up of much worse things, only I don't want to post them, Malte would get pissed, and every one will think I am a evil tourture. (MITRS shut up, I know that you think I am, but I'm not that bad)

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Thine Stalin on 10:41 pm on July 5, 2002
I don't believe in geonicide, I don't think I've said anywhere that any race or culture should DIE.Many people define "genocide" as the (attempted) elimination of an entire group of people from the planet. And the purges were an attempt to rid the USSR of anti-Stalinists. And about races or cultures dying, I don't think you truly understand what Stalinism is. You didn't seem to object when Yuri said that all non-mainstream Soviets should have assimilated into mainstream Soviet culture. The USSR was all about forced assimilation, and feel free to ask a European gypsy if you don't believe me.

Lindsay

[Capitalist Fighter]

Okay,

I just finished reading this thread, surprisingly it only took a couple of minutes.
Firstly, Gacky you are a fool for siding with murder condoning pieces of crap who do not respect human life and whose idols are murdering despots.
Secondly, early on in this thread Mazdack admitted that he was a Nazi but nobody paid any attention to that.
Thirdly, I would prefer Thine Stalin be banned over Lenin. TS obviously has issues he needs to solve with his family and grandfather. Let me resolve them in peace, don't keep putting fuel on the raging fire.
Fourthly, the only true communists here are those like Malte, Michael De Panama, Guerrillaradio, et cetera who oppose Nazism and fight against it instead of wanting the "oppression" to cease.
Finally and in conclusion:
NAZIS SUCK
:)

[Thine Stalin]

First of all, CF, what the fuck are you talking about?

But to IWDY don't bullshit that, russia was also purged of alot of stalinists after stalin's death, but of course we don't hear about those, because everyone was forced to become anti-stalinist, and Stalin's name was smeared.

I don't think any paticular culture should be targetted, and besides THESE people did have a choice, change or be forced to change.

I am very much all for everyone being clones of eachother, and lack of personality, I think achievement is more important than idividualism, and any individualism, is truelly a capitalist ideal.

[Stormin Norman]

Reply to a true idiot who said:

'I am very much all for everyone being clones of eachother, and lack of personality, I think achievement is more important than idividualism, and any individualism, is truelly a capitalist ideal.'

Well if your wet dream becomes the reality, one can only hope that your genetic material ends up in the garbage can were it belongs, and they use a better stock when creating a society of clones.

[RedCeltic]

Quote: from Thine Stalin on 7:58 am on July 8, 2002

I am very much all for everyone being clones of eachother, and lack of personality, I think achievement is more important than idividualism, and any individualism, is truelly a capitalist ideal.


That is by far one of the most idiotic things I've ever read on this board.

[Thine Stalin]

Says you, but if you look around, who are the greatest communists? The ants.

What do the ants lack? Any will of their own and personality.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from RGacky3 on 1:04 am on July 8, 2002
Good day michael, you just sayed to me "FUCK YOU" on AIM, and called me worthless, becouse I don't hate stalinists. Now this is what I will do, I will take you to your room, nail you self to your wall. I will run a sharpend metal pole through your knee caps, so that all your wait is on your hands which are nailed to the wall, then I will take your family, tie them up and burn them in front of your eyes, I will then heat up a small pole and use it to blind you, the last thing you will see is your family burning. Then I will pull your finger nails out, and your toenails. I will rape your girlfreind and the last thing you will hear are her screams, then I will kill her. Then I will slice your stomach open with a dagger, push salt and lemon juice into the wound, and leave you there to die slowly.

I was just trying to be nice, trying to be a comrade, now you will have to die.

I just said "fuck you" on AIM because you told me to rape my girlfriend. That's hardly "being nice". I don't care if you were joking.

So, is this the end of the "comrads untie" bullshit? Thank GOD!! I guess you're 100% on the totalitarian side. Good.

Thine Stalin, would you really be happy if you were a fucking ant? If so, stick with capitalism! Work a nine to five job in a cubicle! Carry a briefcase! Sip a latte! Become a corporate drone.

[Stormin Norman]

Do ants have the ability to make tools, describe their world through art, advance technology, or improve upon their current system? These are the things that distinguish us from our animal counterparts, as they are the signs of a cognisant being capable of reason. Reason, a subject on which you know little. How long have the ants been going about the same patterns? How much improvement have they made on their current systems? None. We need not look to the example of ants for a system of rule, because we are superior to insects. Some of us maybe, I don't rank someone like you much higher than an ant.

[Michael De Panama]

Very well put.

[RedCeltic]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 2:20 pm on July 8, 2002
Do ants have the ability to make tools, describe their world through art, advance technology, or improve upon their current system? These are the things that distinguish us from our animal counterparts, as they are the signs of a cognisant being capable of reason. Reason, a subject on which you know little. How long have the ants been going about the same patterns? How much improvement have they made on their current systems? None. We need not look to the example of ants for a system of rule, because we are superior to insects. Some of us maybe, I don't rank someone like you much higher than an ant.


* Bitting my bottem lip as I post this *

I agree with Stormin Normin there.

[I Will Deny You]

I agree with Stormin Norman too.

Thine Stalin, not everything is either capitalist or socialist. Personality is one of those things.

And in response to the post before that, I don't condone the killing of Stalinists either. Neither the murderous Stalinists nor the murderous anti-Stalinists are my heroes. The murderous Stalinists, however, are your heroes. Don't try any of that "you never hear about this . . . " moralizing bullshit with me.

Lindsay

[RGacky3]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 8:03 pm on July 8, 2002

Quote: from RGacky3 on 1:04 am on July 8, 2002
Good day michael, you just sayed to me "FUCK YOU" on AIM, and called me worthless, becouse I don't hate stalinists. Now this is what I will do, I will take you to your room, nail you self to your wall. I will run a sharpend metal pole through your knee caps, so that all your wait is on your hands which are nailed to the wall, then I will take your family, tie them up and burn them in front of your eyes, I will then heat up a small pole and use it to blind you, the last thing you will see is your family burning. Then I will pull your finger nails out, and your toenails. I will rape your girlfreind and the last thing you will hear are her screams, then I will kill her. Then I will slice your stomach open with a dagger, push salt and lemon juice into the wound, and leave you there to die slowly.

I was just trying to be nice, trying to be a comrade, now you will have to die.

I just said "fuck you" on AIM because you told me to rape my girlfriend. That's hardly "being nice". I don't care if you were joking.

So, is this the end of the "comrads untie" bullshit? Thank GOD!! I guess you're 100% on the totalitarian side. Good.

Thine Stalin, would you really be happy if you were a fucking ant? If so, stick with capitalism! Work a nine to five job in a cubicle! Carry a briefcase! Sip a latte! Become a corporate drone.


I am not on the totalitarian side, I am still where I was all the time, Utopianist/Democratic Socialist, or Communisty Union socialist. I still think that all types of Socialists should unite and fight side by side, becouse they have the same goals.

[Michael De Panama]

If you were democratic, you would never even consider uniting with fascists. That's simple! Educate yourself on what Stalinist Russia was like. Then tell me if that's the kind of system you want to live in. We might as well unite with the Nazis, or the capitalists.

[Thine Stalin]

And yet you resort to insults because, why? Does it make you feel smarter or something? Ants, if they were as intelligent as humans and as equipped for tool making, would undoubetdly, be superior to us, even if they were human beings themselves. I imagine a nation with a 10 million humans of average strength and intelligence, having only the motive to be great driving them, and no self-will, could out do your united states within less than a century.

[Thine Stalin]

And I never said ants were smart, just they were the best communists, humans, if they had the intelligence and size of an ant wouldn't do anywhere near aswell.

[Michael De Panama]

Thine Stalin, I would appreciate it if you stopped being such a coward and responded to my post I made a month ago in "The Stalinist Option".

[Michael De Panama]

The post on the first page. The one in response to your post you made on the first page. That one. Just in case you couldn't tell.

[Thine Stalin]

If I remember, you told me to fuck off, or something, you get personal, I don't hold grudges after a debate and you do, so I avoid argueing with you micheal, and its pointless anyway, you won't change me, I won't change you, and you get pissed off at me.

You showed you had changed before and I responded then, you have gone back to insulting me, I won't respond until you mature again, I'm sure being a teenager with hormones might be a ok excuse but you still can control your temper at someone who has rarely gone and posted merely to insult you.

[Mazdak]

If you wish to use somekind of insect as an example, use termites not ants. Ants could be considered "sexist" because the drons are the only males and they serve almost no purpose except fertilizing the queen and then they are kicked out of the colony. all ant workers are sterile females. Termites, however, have both male and female of everythign, and they are have some of the most advanced housing areas compared with almost all other life forms except people. And to say something cant reason is obsurd. How does an ant decide what to do when something attacks it? Reasoning. Ants are not great examples because most workers are like zombies or robots, doing their task without any variation but they DO have the ability to change their activities if something happens. if a mound is destroyed, the ants make a new one. How exactly do they decide where to put it??? by reasoning!!!

And michael- isnt the actual armed revolution the transition?? you cant go from communist to capitalist overnight. Why do you insist that the transition is over and that capitalism was the transition phase???

[Michael De Panama]

You are such a coward, TS. The only reason I'm resorted back to my "immature" ways is because of this. I've responded to your "the bad before the good" argument so many times, all times that I was being very nice. Every single time, you just ignored them. Then, this is when I become hostile. I'm not going to be nice to you if you do that. Only when we can have a somewhat serious conversation will I ever give you any sort of respect.

What are you afraid of? Just respond. If you give me an actual response, I would have no reason to be this hostile towards you. I'll stop cursing at you as long as you can actually back up your Stalinist arguments.

[Michael De Panama]

Mazdak, when have I ever stated that I want to go from capitalism to communism overnight? Were you reading RedSovietCCCP's posts or something? The transition period is socialism. Capitalism is the system to rebel against. If the communist regime were authoritarian, a revolution would occur within the communist society, bringing the entire thing down. Look at the fall of the Soviet Union. Can we take this over to MY thread?

[Stormin Norman]

Mazdak,

Let me get this straight. You are arguing the position that ants have the ability to reason! Why? Because they scatter in chaos when you step on their ant hill. That is probaly the funniest argument that I have ever heard. Why don't you think about what it is to reason..... Did you think of an answer to my question? Are you pondering how to respond? That, Mazdak is reasoning; the ability to think and comprehend, to formulate logical positions and analyze those presented by others. If you don't believe me, look the word up in the dictionary. In a nut shell, you are telling me that ants share these traits with humans. That is ridiculous, you know, something which is absolutely absurd. Although I do not think humans are the only creatures on the planet capable of reasoning, I highly doubt that a simple organism, like an ant has that ability. You have been watching too many Disney cartoons.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 9:50 pm on July 9, 2002)

[Anarcho]

Sexism exists because in reality, there are differences in the AVERAGE male and female. I am stronger than my girlfriend, she is more 'nurturing' than I am.

I may learn to be more nurturing, she may work out to get stronger, but biologically, we are hot-wired this way from the start.

ThineStalin- If you remove individual will and drive from humans, we cease being humans. Not even Stalin or Lenin would have thought that to be a good idea, I'm sure.

**back to lurking**

[guerrillaradio]

Welcome back Anarcho.

Eliminating individuality?? Oh fucking hell, gimme a break. Without individuality we all become robots. That surely is quite obvious. TS - go for a walk and look at the outside world. Really, you seem to spend too much time locked up in dark rooms thinking up theories without giving much thought to practicality.

[Capitalist Fighter]

TS you are funny person. Your posts are indeed hilarious. Keep up the good work champ. :)
BTW, MAZDAK REVEALED HIMSELF AS A NAZI!!!!!!!! doesn't anybody care??

[RGacky3]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 10:53 pm on July 8, 2002
If you were democratic, you would never even consider uniting with fascists. That's simple! Educate yourself on what Stalinist Russia was like. Then tell me if that's the kind of system you want to live in. We might as well unite with the Nazis, or the capitalists.


I may not agree with the Stalinist theory, but I realize that we need all the people who are willing to fight for communism. I am willing to compramise and not be stubborn, I know that most of the Stalinists feel the same way. I know what Russia under Stalin was like I dont' agree with many of the things he did, but the Authoritarian socialists, are looking for the same goals, they don't just want to kill many people like stalin did, or send them to camps. They just wan't to achieve socialism though Authoritarian means. The reason I don't unite with cappies or Nazi's is becouse they don't wan't the same goals as socialists do.


This ants argument is getting silly, people don't seam to understand Instinct.

[Mazdak]

Blah, stormin normin, i hate disney and never see any disney movies. And Ants can make decisions. This take reasoning. how is that so hard to comprehend.

And Capitalist fighter, when did i reveal i was a nazi. I am no more nazi than you are!!! Why should anyone care. How am i a nazi, because i dont think commmunism can happen overnight??? and you say the stalinists live in an elf village!!

[Capitalist Fighter]

Quote: from Mazdak on 3:13 am on June 25, 2002
hey, once again, why does everyone pick on us poor stalinists?


This is where you revealed your stalinism, or nazism. Same thing in my eyes.

[Nateddi]

mazdak, communism cannot happen over night; I think everyone knows that. Stalinism takes a reactionary approach which ultimately corrupts by concentrating power in the hands of the few, state-capitalism leads to fascism not communism.

[Lardlad95]

Now why would you want to be Stalinist? Stalin wasn't a very good leader. The people didn't like them they feared him. There fore you will always fear for your lifebecause people will revolt.

Stalinism gives a bad name to communism/socialism no offense to your political stance but Stalin is one of the reasons that people hate socialism and communism

[American Kid]

Gacky, achieving socialism through Authoratarian means seems like an oxymoron to me. Like forcing a little kid who doesn't want to eat his vegatables by putting a gun to his head.

He'll eat them (doesn't wanna get blown away) and he'll leave enriched with all those healthy vitamins and minerals, but you'll have left his spirit broken and his heart crushed and traumatized; truly in any worse shape than he could've ever been if he never ate another vegatable again.

And he'll curse you behind your back and conspire ceaselessly to put a knife in it.

-AK

[RedSovietCCCP]

As stated by uneducated Micheal, " If a communist regime were authoritarian, a revolution would occur within a communist society, bringing the entire thing down."

News flash Micheal, ALL OF THE COMMUNIST COUNTRYS IN THE WORLD AT THIS PRESENT TIME IS A AUTHORITARIAN STATE, CHINA BEING THE MOST. china is the second leading superpower in this world and getting stronger and stronger every year. They are very much authoritarian, along with Vietnam, North Korea and Cuba. They are not anywhere being close to revolution as you put it.

As stated by dipshit (Micheal), " Look at the fall of the Soviet Union."

If you think the Soviet Union fell because it was a authoritarian state your even more of a idiot than I thought. You need to educate yourself a lot more before you write your stupid shit. Let me say this one last time. THE SOVIET UNION FELL BECAUSE IT SPENT ALMOST 80% OF ITS BUDGET ON THE MILITARY!!!!!! Not your stupid uneducated comment on why YOU think it did.

[Nateddi]

The soviet union didn't fall because of being authoritarian, that is for sure.

RedSoviet, I an not sure what you are trying to say by pointing out that all socialist countries are authoritarian. Do you support the regimes, consider them perfect? China is fascist not communist, china is basically capitalist economically. Same goes for vietnam. At the present time, some sort of authoritarian state is needed in order to keep socialism in a country; not because of possible loss of support, rather because of global influence and intervention (not limited to military); I can just see right-wing propaganda sweeping into Cuba... than next thing we know, they are a capitalist shithole right with the rest of central america.

I am not sure how communism can be achieved; realistically, in non-US countries (the rest of the world), some sort of authoritarianism will be needed (though not to the point of stalinism); there needs to be control to protect a revolution, yet not enough to corrupt. Let me give you a quote from a book I am reading "Killing Hope"

The boys of Capital, they also chortle in their martinis about the death of socialism. The word has been banned from polite conversation. And they hope that no one will notice that every socialist experiment of any significance in the twentieth century -- without exception -- has either been crushed, overthrown, or invaded, or corrupted, perverted, subverted, or destabilized, or otherwise had life made impossible for it, by the United States. Not one socialist government or movement -- from the Russian Revolution to the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, from Communist China to the FMLN in Salvador -- not one was permitted to rise or fall solely on its own merits; not one was left secure enough to drop its guard against the all-powerful enemy abroad and freely and fully relax control at home.

This is precicely the reason for the realistic need for some sort of authoritarianism; however I think what RS is saying is incorrect because I would not be proud of the limit of personal freedoms and the corruptness of the regimes RS said.

Its a bit late comrades, sorry if my writting sounds a bit bad.

[Lardlad95]

correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't there be more chance of a revolution if you put control on people so that they resneted you?

What we need to do is gain the favor of the people

[Thine Stalin]

Lardlad your previous post was so ill informed it does not deserve a reply... 'stalin wasn't a good leader?'

Anyway, remember all those surveys yuri used to post, I think thats enough evidence, that restentment doesn't always stick, or perhaps there isn't any, and who honestly cares when you can have yourself force elected ;)

[RedSovietCCCP]

About a year ago I went to Red China and Vietnam with some of my peers from the University just so we can learn about there culture and other things. At the time I didn't care about communism or didn't care about what it was. After my visit and during it, is when I came very interested in socialism. This is what I gathered in my three month visit.

Red China is no way a fascist country as Nateddi said it was. It is very much socialist. But I do agree with Nateddi that China has capitalist traits. For example, they are involved in the market economy or the world market. This does not make them capitalist. They are becoming a very wealthy country for there actions of joining the world market. As for the authoritarian control of the country, I do support the way they do things in there country. There crime rate is very low because of there harsh laws which I am in support of. I am in support of the there authoritarian communist state as was Che was in support of it and most of the Chinese public is in support of it. They are very proud of there country. So yes I am in support of the Red China regime. I love the culture and there way of life.

[Michael De Panama]

I am in favor of RedSovietCCCP's vagina.

[Michael De Panama]

(Edited by Michael De Panama at 1:17 am on July 11, 2002)

[Lardlad95]

so Red Soviet China is cool? So it would be ok if I moved there for a year or two and nothing would happen

[Mazdak]

Capitalist Fighter- oh, thats right, being a stalinist suddenly makes me a nazi even though STALIN BEAT HITLER in WW2. Sure they made an agreement, but if they hadn't the soviet army would have been even less prepared to do battle with the nazis than it was.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Mazdak on 2:25 am on July 11, 2002
Capitalist Fighter- oh, thats right, being a stalinist suddenly makes me a nazi even though STALIN BEAT HITLER in WW2.

Stalin only fought Hitler cos he invaded Russia. But that's irrelevant. His regime had more similarity with Nazism than Communism. I think it's more than a coincidence that TS is both a Stalinist and a Nazi.

[RGacky3]

I think stalins treaty with Hitler was the most noble thing he did, he did'nt do it becouse they were buddies, he hated hitler, he did it becouse he wanted to keep Russian out of a war.

[Michael De Panama]

Who told you THAT bullshit?

[Mazdak]

If stalin was such a nazilover, then how come he aided spain against the facists?? Because he loved them? No, because he wanted to stop the spread of facism. He negotiated to save the soviet union from anihilation. As that quote goes, "better to be on the devils side than in his path." and he barely had enough time to prepare for war when it took place in the first place.

[new democracy]

Quote: from RedSovietCCCP on 9:23 am on June 29, 2002
(micheal) Little 16 year old, your saying that stalinist aren't communist?? Stalinist beleive in abolition of private property which makes them commuinst!!!! Are you saying leninist aren't communist??? We believe in the dictatorship of the proletariat as a temporary institution, a necessary, transitional stage preceding genuine communism, you fucking idiot!!! Read my fucking signature!!!!

You won the war??? Where not here anymore???? First of all malte kicked most of the stalinist off this site!! Second of all I have been in school, so sometimes I don't have time to write on this site!! And also I enjoy my summer by doing things other than writing on a computer all summer and trying to pick up on girls on a web-site you ugly little fuck!!!!!!!! Get away from your mommys computer and get a social life, FUCKING PUSSY (Micheal de panama)!!!!!!!


(Edited by RedSovietCCCP at 8:38 pm on June 29, 2002)

fucking funny!!!! and malte: you are acting in an extreme dictatorial way. i know, this is a forum and not a country, but you have gone too far!!! what about the time you have banned(unjustly)mazdak for no reason? what about the fact that you decided that no one can use your avatar? what about the way you ignore my pm's or just reply but change the subject? again, i know this is not a country but you have gone too far!!!! justify the banning of mazdak please.

[new democracy]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 1:14 am on July 11, 2002
I am in favor of RedSovietCCCP's vagina.

lmao!

[PaulDavidHewson]

I'd say if a Stalinist could debate properly he should be welcome to stay, but most Stalinist go like:
"FUk yo comment, I wil kik yer sory as.
Die yo, die."

Like that dude, Stalinist.
All he said in reply when someone was scrutinising him was:
"Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrggggg, damn you. I wish you were here so I could kick your ass."


I've seen many threads like that and most of them came from, to put it bluntly, Stalinist people.
12 year old kids who found this site by accident and think they can debate this kind of stuff properly.

[canikickit]

I agree with Bono.

[Guest]

I think the majority of stalinists are not 12 year olds who can't debate.

Me (Thine Stalin)-17, I don't like to be cocky, I still think I can hold my own though, I was the only stalinist for months.
Mazdak-??? but hes shown he can debate
Boudieccea-14, in college.
Lenin-I think he's an adult, he works at a cabinet making factory, a -real- prolaterian among so many fakes.
Yuriandropov-In his 40's, lives in belorussia.

I think that sampling refutes what you are tossing out PaulDavidHewson.

[Mazdak]

StalinSoldiers is comic relieif anyway.

Lenin- Truly a great debater in my opinion. Don't know why you banned him Malte
Yuri- i wish i could have been here when he was, because it seems even the anti stalinists respect him.
Thine Stalin- I may disagree with him on many points, but i cannot deny he is a good debater.
B88- as he said himself in college
Myself- I am more authoritarian than stalinist, but whatever. I have my own ideas. But i suppor almost all of what stalin did so call me whatever. I will not call myself a good debater though.

Just because there are less of us doesnt mean anything. I am sure i could find idiotic things said by anti stalinists here.

[PaulDavidHewson]

I guess I should comment on this, but i don't think it will do any good and attacking people personally won't do any good anyways.

But in short the people Thine Stalin and Mazdak mentionend have shown exactly the things I was talking about.
Like StalinSoldiers, Yuriandropov and a few others.

They never come with prove of anything and only reply by saying that people are capitalist basterds or fake leftists.
They are mostly subjective in their replies and too stuborn to admit that a Stalinist regime is in fact maybe not so heavenly as they would like to believe.

[Exploited Class]

I usually try and avoid these large threaded arguments but here is my 2 cents anyway.

Stalinists should not be banned. There is several reasons for this. One when you ban something you do not like, other want to join it. I might have never even thought about communism if it was for this statement during the Mac Carthy trials with Walt Disney.

"HAS: There are presently pending before this committee two bills
relative to outlawing the Communist Party. What thoughts have you as
to whether or not those bills should be passed?"

People try and stop good things and progress.

Second, let's say as I travel down this road of growth that I decide Stalinist make sense to me. As we learn things in life, our views change, we become interested in other things and study it with more intent. If I am not a stalanist today, but next month am, am I going to be Banned? What if it turns out that a year after that I change my mind again during personal growth?

The last reason is Freedom of Speech, if you believe in it, it will reflect in your attitude. What you do have power over or control over, what you do with that power dictactes directly with who you are. It may be only a forum, but how you run that forum says a lot of your mindset. If you are against stalinism and you silence their voice because you have the power to, perhaps if you ever become in power you might silence voices of opposition much like the stalin you detest?

[Mazdak]

Just because StalinSoldiers doesnt always behave... coherently.... doesnt mean anything. I also forgot Cassius Clay. How can you say we are a bunch of twelve year olds.


And you are constantly criticizing us for "fake" leftists. So don't be a hypocrite Mr. Hewson.

[Mazdak]

To all who are calling us "fake leftists" and 12 year olds who want to be cool, please see the thread "stalin" which i just revived.

[Cassius Clay]

''I also forgot Cassius Clay. How can you say we are a bunch of twelve year olds. ''

Ah, I'm so glad you remembered. Mazdak do not listen to these accusations of 'Fake leftists' or whatever. Who are the fake one's the spoiled little rich kids who think that the whole point of May-Day is to break into a McDonalds (Yeah real productive that one) or the hundreds of Communists parties around the world who fight for workers rights and democracy?

[PaulDavidHewson]

I would never call a stalinist "fake leftist".
I would call them misguided leftists.
Nothing wrong with being leftisit, just the murdering, scandalous, supressing regimes like that of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and to a certain height that of Castro(who violated a human right or two)

Yes, you can critisice this by claiming the US is a murdering, supressing regime and in fact to a certain height I agree.
I reinstate once again i'm mildy left, liberal yet I can see the benefits of some elements of Capitalisme(like a free market)