Is this really the Communist Manifesto?

[RadioRaheem84]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1IME451NDY&NR=1

This is brilliant. I have never heard such an insightful way of looking at the present world. And it was written so long ago!

How the heck can people in this country and the West go around saying that Marx was such a moron and a tyrant!

[Bright Banana Beard]

The propaganda is greatly exaggerate to go against us because we know the riches will lose some of his property. So Communism, Marxism is very loose word and if they try to debate with us, they take the one that does not agree within this website.

[Psy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1IME451NDY&NR=1

This is brilliant. I have never heard such an insightful way of looking at the present world. And it was written so long ago!

How the heck can people in this country and the West go around saying that Marx was such a moron and a tyrant!
Because they not heard/read the Communist Manifesto.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

It's a condensed form.


How the heck can people in this country and the West go around saying that Marx was such a moron and a tyrant!

I think most people see Marx as an idealist, not a tyrant.

[RHIZOMES]

Yeah my history teacher said Marx wasn't that smart, and just liked using big words! :rolleyes:

That's why even capitalists see value in Das Kapital, right?

[Mod-ist]

well, in most states education is overruled by the government, and they censor stuff that they think will give you independant thought. in our school, the sociology class portrays communism as a kind of fascism, and we only look at the communist side of things for about half a lesson. Me and friends do complain about the mistakes the teachers are making, but they either shrug us off or remind us who the teacher is. it's a disgrace!

[RadioRaheem84]

The level of insight Marx had on the free enterprise system is near perfect! I am reading Das Kapital for the first time and it's riveting. I have also learned about Marx that he was against capital punishment, he was a critic of capitalism not just a commie, he supported the Civil War and the Union as a proletariat struggle.

[bezdomni]

I am reading Das Kapital for the first time and it's riveting.

Das Kapital is a lot of things...insightful, groundbreaking - but riveting, not so much. :P


I have also learned about Marx that he was against capital punishment
How do you mean?


he was a critic of capitalism not just a commie
What does that mean? All communists are critics of capitalism...that's part of being a communist.


he supported the Civil War and the Union as a proletariat struggle.
While Marx did encourage Lincoln to issue the emancipation proclamation well before he actually did it, I don't think he viewed Lincoln's army as a vanguard of human liberation...but rather an attempt towards eliminating feudal property relations in the United States in exchange for bourgeois property relations.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I am reading Das Kapital for the first time and it's riveting.

Did you read the same Das Kapital that I read?

The same book that, after I had completed it, I threw across the room and screamed, "VICTORY!"

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

How do you mean?
He wrote a letter to the New York Daily Tribune in 1853 that condemns it:

"Plainly speaking, and dispensing with all paraphrases, punishment is nothing but a means of society to defend itself against the infraction of its vital conditions, whatever may be their character. Now, what a state of society is that, which knows of no better Instrument for its own defense than the hangman, and which proclaims through the “leading journal of the world” its own brutality as eternal law?"

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1853/02/18.htm

[RadioRaheem84]

What does that mean? All communists are critics of capitalism...that's part of being a communist.

What I meant was that Marx was a Political Economist while the capitalist nations paint him out to be a raging lazy nut who wrote a manifesto. He was just a critic of capitalism. Ironically, a term he coined.


While Marx did encourage Lincoln to issue the emancipation proclamation well before he actually did it, I don't think he viewed Lincoln's army as a vanguard of human liberation...but rather an attempt towards eliminating feudal property relations in the United States in exchange for bourgeois property relations

Well yeah. Thats more of what I meant.

Why dont the lot of you find Das Kapital great?

[RadioRaheem84]

Other books that I am reading that likewise brilliant:

A Brief History of Neo-Liberalism by David Harvey

and the Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein.

[bezdomni]

Why dont the lot of you find Das Kapital great?

It's great in the sense that Origin of the Species is great. It has broken a lot of ground and represents a huge leap forward in human understanding...but it is not that much fun to read. I wouldn't call das kapital "riveting" is all.


What I meant was that Marx was a Political Economist while the capitalist nations paint him out to be a raging lazy nut who wrote a manifesto.
Marx was a revolutionary communist. The capitalists despise the works he produced that they cannot attempt to kill by silence.


...and to compare Marx to Naomi Klein is somewhere between silly and obscene.

[RadioRaheem84]

It's great in the sense that Origin of the Species is great. It has broken a lot of ground and represents a huge leap forward in human understanding...but it is not that much fun to read. I wouldn't call das kapital "riveting" is all.


Marx was a revolutionary communist. The capitalists despise the works he produced that they cannot attempt to kill by silence.


...and to compare Marx to Naomi Klein is somewhere between silly and obscene.


I was not comparing Marx to Klein. I just said that her book Shock Doctrine was also a good read.

Well I find breakthrough ideas to be quite reviting. I know I am a little late in discovering them but I feel like I have been cheated.