The world's biggest terrorists - Osama and George

[Goldfinger]

If you are in USA and talk crap about Osama, you get supported by the government. You can even have plans to kill him. But if you say you're going to kill George Bush, the other big terrorist, you can get arrested. Isn't that hipocrisy, when there is a war against terrorism started by that same guy?

Don't get me wrong, i don't support killing at all, but both Osama and Bush should be locked up. [b]They are both threats to democracy.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Apocalypse When on 9:49 am on June 18, 2002
If you are in USA and talk crap about Osama, you get supported by the government. You can even have plans to kill him. But if you say you're going to kill George Bush, the other big terrorist, you can get arrested. Isn't that hipocrisy, when there is a war against terrorism started by that same guy?

Don't get me wrong, i don't support killing at all, but both Osama and Bush should be locked up. [b]They are both threats to democracy.

Bush did not start the war on terror. Osama bin Laden started the war on terror.

[Goldfinger]

Yes, good point, but Bush dissed the middle east first. Or what do you think?

[Hattori Hanzo]

bush is less like osama and more like the butcher of the Balkans

[Hattori Hanzo]

er, Milosevic...

[jimr]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 8:04 pm on June 18, 2002

Quote: from Apocalypse When on 9:49 am on June 18, 2002
If you are in USA and talk crap about Osama, you get supported by the government. You can even have plans to kill him. But if you say you're going to kill George Bush, the other big terrorist, you can get arrested. Isn't that hipocrisy, when there is a war against terrorism started by that same guy?

Don't get me wrong, i don't support killing at all, but both Osama and Bush should be locked up. [b]They are both threats to democracy.

Bush did not start the war on terror. Osama bin Laden started the war on terror.


in what way?

[Hattori Hanzo]

sep. 11

[jimr]

thats being abit narrow minded, come now, why did osama attack the USA? Because of the US forces defiling the lands holy lands. You cannot blame osama for this war because it was planned in advance. The American descision to attack Afghanistan was taken BEFORE sept 11th. Yet this fact goes unnoticed.

[jimr]

Also please show me the evidence that Osama bin laden was behind the september 11th air crashes?

I am not saying he didnt, but what is the point in making all of these assumptions with no evidence. When we come to accept teh word of a slimy regime like the American government without any real evidence then we have fallen very far.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 8:04 pm on June 18, 2002

Bush did not start the war on terror. Osama bin Laden started the war on terror.


Uh. Technically, Bush was the one who started the war on terror. Osama bin Laden was the one who sent some planes into the World Trade Center. He wasn't doing it in the name of all terrorists. He was doing it himself. Bush was the one who turned it into a "war" against all forms of "terror", based on his subjective view on what is and what is not "terrorism".

But, according the the definition of "terrorist" in the US Army handbook, Bush more than qualifies as a terrorist. Face it, Bush and bin Laden are the exact same person.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Our relationship with the middle-east was turmultuous at best when GW came into office. Bush did not provoke the middle east at all. Terrorists attacked US interests throughout Bill Clintons term in office. It was Bill Clinton that allowed terrorists to continue to attack US interests without a real response. When the terrorists tried to attack with Bush in the office, we took decisive action as we had had enough. Osama will spend the rest of his life on the run if he is not dead already.

[Michael De Panama]

Heavens no! How dare you speak poorly of Bill Clinton? Don't you know that that makes us commies turn purple with anger? It makes smoke shoot out of our nostrils and fire shoot out of our mouths. We all love the Bill. Almost as much as we love Steve Forbes. Man.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I wasn't speaking of bill to anger you(i know you are being sarcastic), I was just explaining the context of my claim

[jimr]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 8:39 pm on June 18, 2002
Our relationship with the middle-east was turmultuous at best when GW came into office. Bush did not provoke the middle east at all. Terrorists attacked US interests throughout Bill Clintons term in office. It was Bill Clinton that allowed terrorists to continue to attack US interests without a real response. When the terrorists tried to attack with Bush in the office, we took decisive action as we had had enough. Osama will spend the rest of his life on the run if he is not dead already.


The taliban refused offers from the United states to build an oil pipeline through their teritory
I cant remember the exact quote but it went something like "we will bathe you in riches or we will bathe you in bombs" something along those lines. That was in march 2001, i would say thats a threat.

[Lurker021]

jimr Posted on 8:34 pm on June 18, 2002
Also please show me the evidence that Osama bin laden was behind the september 11th air crashes?

I am not saying he didnt, but what is the point in making all of these assumptions with no evidence. When we come to accept teh word of a slimy regime like the American government without any real evidence then we have fallen very far.

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That has to be one of the most ignorant things I have ever read in my life. And by the way what is so slimy about the American Government?

[Capitalist Imperial]

I would like to see who said that quote, and where. Our government does not threaten violence against other nations over business decisions.

[Lurker021]

page 1 of this post.

[marxistdisciple]

"Our government does not threaten violence against other nations over business decisions"

No they just attack them economically instead. (i.e the whole imported steel tariff thing, that really pissed the EU off)

Who has actually seen the evidence that osama planned the attacks? No one on this board, because it's all classified information. It may well be true, but it is subject to "national security" and all the usual bollocks.
It sounds really nice and patriotic and all that, but it usually means an excuse to keep secrets from the public. Like the JFK thing, where all the useful documents were blacked out. For national security. Except there wasn't much national security when he got shot, was there?

Isn't someone who kills or orders the deaths or civilians a terrorist? There have been reports by US soldiers that they were told to attack women and children in afghanistan in certain circumstances.

Bush started a war on a country, because some of it's citizans attacked an american building. The only difference between doing that, and bombing ireland for the IRA attacking the world trade centre, is that afghanistan is poorer, and has a government that the US doesn't like. If a terororist comes from beligium, or france, or the UK, will the US bomb them too?