action and movement of communism

[neozen]

most country are capatalist base...however, to achieve communism.. do u think that being in the capitalist system and gain power and wealth in the system and then take control and change to.......... is it a possible way?

(Edited by neozen at 3:25 pm on June 18, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

once you gain power and wealth i bet you don't want to change to communism

[Hattori Hanzo]

sure, but by then u r greedy and selfish

[neozen]

but we're in the system of capitalist( well the stronger countries are! <most!, almost all>) i think to gain power in the system is a way to beat the system.....then from a powerful organization slowly evolve/ and expand to a more socialist community..and goes on .to.......u know.showing that communism is the way to go! to the people...most people ( who are middle classes (in more developed countries),who dont want changes,)....

[Capitalist Imperial]

Why would aa capitalist middle class want communism? They would merely lose their good standard of living as well as freedom. Communism is not the best way, capitalism is.

[dailydivet]

This is even more weight for the argument of Capitalism! Apparently [Communists] have to "get power from [Capitalism]" so that they have enough for Communism. Ha! Are you admitting that Communism cannot achieve such luxuries and wealth and power on its own? Too bad. Looks like someone is on the wrong side of the argument.

By the way, anyone who is a Capitalist (and who has read any Ayn Rand) should know that Selfishness is a virtue, unlike the vice that these altruistic-Communists practice (selflessness, subjectivism, collectivism).

[Xvall]

LMAO! "Selfishness is a vitue!" You're hillarious, you know that?

[dailydivet]

Then you've obviously never read any Ayn Rand.

I suppose you advocate self-sacrifice (altruism) for the "better good" or God(s) or for "the children" or for "society"? Remember, nothing is good for the public unless it is good for every citizen, even yourself.

Under fear of being called a plaigerizer, I will use sources:

"To be selfish means to look out for one's own interests, i.e. one's own life. To eat to support your life is selfish. To make love to the woman you love is selfish. To have pride in ones accomplishments and character is selfish. To use one's mind in the pursuit of ones own happiness is selfish. By what standard can one judge these selfish things as evil? Only by an irrational one."

"Man's life is the standard of value. All that supports a man's life is good, and all that destroys man's life is evil. If evil is that which destroys man's life -- and to look after one's self interest -- is to support one's life, then how can selfishness be rationally held to be evil? It cannot."

- Capitalism.org (Selfishness)

[Guest]

How refreshing, another fan of Ayn Rand. I have read most of her work, but have not read "The Virtue of Selfishness". If I get time, I will pick it up. Beware, some people on this post will attack Ayn Rand personally without having read her work.

[neozen]

hey! i'm not admitting that Communism cannot achieve such luxuries and wealth and power on its own? look at the situation now, most people manage to gain from the system ( capitalism) are happy and dun want change. and think about it if one country is not capitalist
and its some other gov. system( and it's a strong gov..).to change the system ( many ways,) one of them rebelling against them or maybe in gaining power from it's own system and overturn it...u can't change something if u have nothing.............


(correct me if i'm wrong, i'm willing to learn more...peace!.)