insentive for workers in communism?

[Hattori Hanzo]

In capitalism, the insentive for workers is the thought that they have when they look at the big, successful ceo's- " i too may one day be rich like that" what is the insentive for work in Communism?

I don't want to be called an idiot for not knowing this, or if CI just happens to feel like doing so

[Guest]

In capitalism the intensive of the workers is to someday become a CEO? LOL yeah right

In communism the intensive is as it is to any "middle" class american under capitalism; to buy certain goods or services. People can't just get lazy because if they don't work (and can), they won't eat, simple as that.

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

People under communsim work to benifit the community, the whole, rather than to benfit yourself. Benifitting the community only leads to enchancing the people within it.

[Hattori Hanzo]

thanx man

oh- and guest- they work to get to a higher position and to make more money. noone looks at a CEO and says, "ther's a lot of prestige in his job" they say- "there's a lot of money in it for him'

[Hattori Hanzo]

AND OBVIOUSLY MORE FUCKING MONEY MEANS MORE FUCKING MATERIAL THINGS!!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Incentive in capitalism is not just "to purchase goods". In capitalism, everyone has a fair shot at success, and the state does not dictate how successful you can be, you dictate your own destiny. Healthy competition fosters original, critical thinking, innovation, invention, and advancement. This yields end products and technologies that benefit the world. This is why the USA has provided the world with the majority of the revolutionary inventions and innovations in the last 150 years. Capitalism is utilitarian in nature.
Communism: "Worlking to benefit the community"? More like being forced into an occupation that you did not chose or may not even like in exchange for a mediocre, limited existence with no hope of bettering your life above what the state mandates.

[Hattori Hanzo]

Lol CI!

the good of the comunity is the good of every one , cant you see that, oh and the more money u got, the better the chance u got at makin' more

[James]

CI;

Are you a propaganda machine?

You have been presented with a number of great socialists, i believe, so stop with this invention stuff.

You missed out the negative's as well...like big corporations becoming bigger and more important than people...and the state being run by them etc etc etc

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from James on 5:19 pm on June 18, 2002
CI;

Are you a propaganda machine?

You have been presented with a number of great socialists, i believe, so stop with this invention stuff.

You missed out the negative's as well...like big corporations becoming bigger and more important than people...and the state being run by them etc etc etc

I saw your list of socialists. Impressive, but they did not submit pure revolutionary inventions of the 20th century like the USA did.

[James]

Can you give a list longer than the one given then?

back to the subject in hand, When people say "you wouldn't work, because you'd get food anyway" they are just being stupid. You can do that in the UK if you want, not work, and you will get a house, food etc etc

But who wants to?

I don't know about you lot, but i get bored if i'm not doing something.

[ID2002]

MacOS revolutionary: I agree with you. The ideas behind socialism and communism are the community before self. The workers are all payed the same...and everyone does equal work to achieve a goal.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I agree james, that one would get bored not working, but I don't think that the state should decide what you do for 8 hours/day (or more) for the rest of your life. You should be able to chose your own destiny. That is why the soviets were not inventive or innovative compared to the west. Workers had no incentive to do their best because most were not truely passionate about their jobs.

[jimr]

I have been asked this question many times. In my own mind i believe that the communist, and indeed socialist reason for work is to benefit the community. The smooth running of a city or a settlement requires the collective hard work of the community. In education in a capitalist country we are told that money is the number one need. We need money to buy food, we need money to live, we need money to buy luxerieies. In a communist society, or atleast as i imagine it, education should be more geared towards helping others and contributing to society. This would make people more productive secure in the belief that they are working for the community and helping others.

I don't know if this answers your question at all.

[Hattori Hanzo]

communism, CI, should be considered purely economic. democracy is by all means necessary

[Capitalist Imperial]

But in capitalism, $$ is just an efficient exchange for resources, $$$ = resources. Its just that in a caoitalist countery, everyone getrs a chance to compete for resources according to what they bring to the market. In all forms of practiced communism, those resources are 1st distributed to party elite and then the thin,meager layer of remaining resources are distributed to the proleteriate

Where is the freedom?
Where is the choice?
Where is your chance to take responsibility for you own destiny?

[Hattori Hanzo]

where is communism practiced?

[jimr]

Quote: from Hattori Hanzo on 7:51 pm on June 18, 2002
communism, CI, should be considered purely economic. democracy is by all means necessary


Democracy is too fragile. Nothing concrete can ever be created when the primary fear is being evicted from power in the next election. Terms of 4 years are far too short nothing can be achieved. Politics degenerates into a propoganda war of sleaze and scandal between political candidates and parties rather than doingthe most for the people. Democracy only favours Capitalism because social change is not desirable in a capitalist government. The capitalist goal is stablisation and keeping people content by lack of doing anything bad rather than the accomplishment of anything worthwhile. Democracy is used to lower peoples standards and blind the masses. Democracy has merit, but it should only be used to elect the leaders. Everything else should be appointed on ability, with no democratic interferance. There should not be 5 year periods of government nor any type of restriction on how long a person can hold power. There should simply be more power given to the people to give them teh ability to call for an election through petition or rally rather than waiting 5 years. If the masses are discontent they will show it.

[Hattori Hanzo]

jimr, where do you live?