The CIAs Finest Hour! - The Death of Che Guevara: Declassifi

[Apache]

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB5/

On October 9th, 1967, Ernesto "Che" Guevara was put to death by Bolivian soldiers, trained, equipped and guided by U.S. Green Beret and CIA operatives. His execution remains a historic and controversial event; and thirty years later, the circumstances of his guerrilla foray into Bolivia, his capture, killing, and burial are still the subject of intense public interest and discussion around the world.

As part of the thirtieth anniversary of the death of Che Guevara, the National Security Archive's Cuba Documentation Project is posting a selection of key CIA, State Department, and Pentagon documentation relating to Guevara and his death. This electronic documents book is compiled from declassified records obtained by the National Security Archive, and by authors of two new books on Guevara: Jorge Castañeda's Compañero: The Life and Death of Che Guevara (Knopf), and Henry Butterfield Ryan's The Fall of Che Guevara (Oxford University Press). The selected documents, presented in order of the events they depict, provide only a partial picture of U.S. intelligence and military assessments, reports and extensive operations to track and "destroy" Che Guevara's guerrillas in Bolivia; thousands of CIA and military records on Guevara remain classified. But they do offer significant and valuable information on the high-level U.S. interest in tracking his revolutionary activities, and U.S. and Bolivian actions leading up to his death.


All of you Marxist can thank us later

[Guest]

God not you here.

[Apache]

I'm spreading the love! :)

[Xvall]

Oh man, A CIA twat is here supporting the death of Che! I hope you know what you're doing man, there are gonna me SO many people ganking you with arguments it's not even going to be funny.

[Apache]

This is the only area they will let me in.

I think they still have "Che's" hands in a filing cabinet up at Langley, VA.
They use them for making funny pictures in front of the slide projector.

[IzmSchism]

it already sounds as though they have your hands tied to strings....el puppetino. get out of here with this useless post.

[Apache]

Quote: from IzmSchism on 9:00 am on June 16, 2002
it already sounds as though they have your hands tied to strings....el puppetino. get out of here with this useless post.
I think I will check with the RCMP and see if they have a file on you.
You look subversive.

[IzmSchism]

yes I sound subversive.

[James]

Oh man, A CIA twat is here

Yes, i'm sure he is CIA.

(btw, thats sarcasim...)

You got a file on me? :)

[Apache]

You got a file on me?

YES!
John Ashcroft is on his way to your house as we speak!

We recognized you from your avatar!

[Guest]

This thread doesn't seem very productive.

Apache, it seems to me that you are here exclusively to piss off the left.

[RedCeltic]

That's exactlly what James looks like too. Many mistake him for a monkey, but he isn't... that's just the way James looks.

[Guest]

Although I question your affiliation with the CIA, I think I am going to like you. I am in full agreement with the CIA's desicion to help terminate Che. The national security threat posed by communism was as great yesterday as it is today. Personally, I don't know which is worse al Qaeda of communist/socialists.

[Apache]

Vodka corrupts, but Absolute Vodka corrupts absolutely!

That has got to be the funniest thing I have read since the torture manuals at The College Of The Americas!

[Kez]

hey comrades chill...
dont get pissed off with his senseless posts, he was probably raped by his dad and his uncle while they were out shooting pigs for their meal.

The thing is, the more shit he comes out with, the more motivation we have, and the sweeter the victory, so in a way we should be thankful for nobheads such as this publess wonder "apache"

comrade kamo

Malte, can u do us one final final favour?
below his avatar place the words, "first class dick" under

thanking you
comrade kamo

[marxistdisciple]

hehehehehe comedy
National Security, is always useful.
International Security, on the other hand is none of your business Mr CIA guy.

I thought CIA agents were meant to be covert?
As usual, military inteligence is the definative oxymoron.
Osama is a good friend of the CIA is he not? I mean you did visit him in hospital. Did you bring flowers?

[Apache]

The thing is, the more shit he comes out with, the more motivation we have, and the sweeter the victory, so in a way we should be thankful for nobheads such as this publess wonder "apache"

Yes! Revolt against your Capitalist masters, you have nothing to lose but your chains!

So when you kiddies spark an uprising against your dark overlords, do you promise to kill less people this time?
Or will the purges be grander and more bloody?
Are any of you worried that your parents might cut off your allowances if you start a revolution on a school night?

[Guest]

You are right Apache most of these egg heads don't know what it's like to pay taxes or be responsible for themselves. If they did, why would they support socialism/communism?

[Moskitto]

Apache, If you want to piss people off, then you're going about it the wrong way.

Trust me, I have a lot of experience in pissing people off on forums.

[Anonymous]

who sacrifices his freedom for some temporary segurance doesnt deserve the both!

[Apache]

who sacrifices his freedom for some temporary segurance doesnt deserve the both!
Where did you hear that one? The Methadone clinic?
Remember, when using contractions, apostrophes are your friend.

Does Che know you are using his likeness without paying a royalty?
Bad Revolutionary! Bad!
No AK-47s for you!

[Guest]

Anarchist,

Didn't I hear you say that you were 40 years old on another post? How can someone with so much experience in the world, support such dopey politics?

[Xvall]

Quote: from Apache on 10:16 pm on June 16, 2002
[b]who sacrifices his freedom for some temporary segurance doesnt deserve the both!

who sacrifices his freedom for some temporary segurance doesnt deserve the both!



Thomas Jefferson, dumbass..
And I'm sure when out revolution comes you'll be too busy hiding behind your little red white and blue rag, that we won't even find you dangerous. Other than the fact that every stupid one line half a paragraph claim here has been pure speculation that hasn't even been backed up, you seem to go railing on about some stupid Pro-CIA crusade with your guest. Obviously, our revolution WILL come. If we are so innificient and 'stupid', you wouldn't be wasting your time here, would you? If communism and socialism are 'dead', then why do you continue to argue with us? Are you plain stupid? Or Lacking in IQ? Maybe all this information is too 'confidential' for you to reveal!

[Guest]

I was referring to anarchy, not democracy. The man is a self proclaimed anarchist, something that does not fall in line with anything that Jefferson wrote or thought.

[Xvall]

I was responding to Olliver North here (Apache)....

[guerrillaradio]

Wow...a real life moron. Do you realise that you're enslaved by a triggerhappy redneck?? Or don't you care?? Stupid spies, running around with their pistols, go and catch a rapist or eat doughnuts like proper cops. And yes, all leftists are security threats as they do believe in social and economic change, something that terrifies the elitist conservatives in office.

[Apache]

DD, PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE!
That was actually a Ben Franklin quote, Jefferson may have used it or changed word order but it was first said by big Ben!

I hear that you commies raise your money by doing Gay Porn films.
What are their titles?
Revolutionary Rumps
Masochist Marxists
Deep Trotsky
Man Whores Of The Kremlin
My Submissive Stalin
The Potemkin Pillagers!
Leninn Licks Lusty October Lads

[Guest]

Yeah, stupid spies running around protecting the freedoms that you people seem to take for granted. Why would anyone be moronic enough to care about to care about national security?

Like I said before, I don't think the CIA would waste valuable assets by having them argue with people who pose no real threat and have so few supporters.

[Guest]

Not national security (not as if they would bomb places). More ideological security than anything.

[Guest]

Apache - Do you ever get tired of your own shit?

[Apache]

Quote: from Guest on 4:19 pm on June 16, 2002
Apache - Do you ever get tired of your own shit?

Never, I use it cover the smell of leftists!

[Guest]

idiot

[Apache]

Quote: from Guest on 4:27 pm on June 16, 2002
idiot

Did mommies little Marxist get up on the wrong side of the Gulag this morning?
:(

[Xvall]

You assume everyone here supports Stalin. That's a very bad assumption. So I'm going to assume that you support Leopold the Second, a well known advocate of Capitalism. You are responsible for the deaths of ove r 20,000,000 people Apache.

[Guest]

Quote: from Apache on 12:33 am on June 17, 2002

Quote: from Guest on 4:27 pm on June 16, 2002
idiot

Did mommies little Marxist get up on the wrong side of the Gulag this morning?
:(


Apache, I would seriously want you to be banned. You have made nothing but personal flaming remarks that piss everybody off.

[Apache]

Apache, I would seriously want you to be banned. You have made nothing but personal flaming remarks that piss everybody off.
Which movie were you in?
Gulag Gang Bang?

[Guest]

Quote: from Guest on 12:53 am on June 17, 2002
Apache, I would seriously want you to be banned. You have made nothing but personal flaming remarks that piss everybody off.

[Xvall]

Damn Apache, have a little Tact..
Apparently that's all you have.. Gulag... Think of something new!

[Guest]

Drake don't bother debating with idiots who don't wish to have a debate; rather only care about pissing the other side off.

[Xvall]

Yeah, good point.. Thanks... By the way, is register here yet? Can you register guest 68?

[IzmSchism]

Capitalist Imperial is starting to at least sound like a decent human being, even if he is blind to injustice, but Apache....well.....no.........

[Rob]

Apache-have you actually made an argument? it seems to me that all you've done is applauded Che's death, and then resorted to insulting us. In fact, I think you may not even be totally informed of the facts about Che's death. The CIA/Green Berets did indeed train and supply the Bolivian troops Che was fighting against, but according to the History Channel, a CIA agent was actually the one on the trigger for Che. Also, why does homosexuality amuse you so much?

[Apache]

Quote: from IzmSchism on 5:19 pm on June 16, 2002
Capitalist Imperial is starting to at least sound like a decent human being, even if he is blind to injustice, but Apache....well.....no.........
I am the source of injustice, if I were blind to it, I could not do my job!

Did you know we cut off Che's hands after we shot him? It was done for identification purposes, so we would not have to carry the body all the way back.
We also had pictures taken with the corpse and some people took locks of hair.

[IzmSchism]

okay, this is the last post for me in this thread, for starters I was referring to CI, and my own opinion of his political association or belief. Not you.

And wtf are you telling me something I already know BRA, yes I have read Che's bio as well just as probably 99% of the people on this forum, which brings me back to the question at hand, what is your point, what intelligent and or thought provoking thread have you attempted to start, besides the obvious one of just trying to piss people off, ( in a sarcastic tone) did you know that Felix Rodreguiz and Che talked for an hour before his death about life, the reason the Cuban economy failed, why he decided to leave Cuba, et cetera, c'mon Bra (Bra=fake ass punk) what is your point, use that pebble in your brain.

[Angie]

Apache's hilarious, don't get worked up over him. If I didn't know better, I'd almost say he was left-wing, deliberately being like this to give right-wingers a poor name. :biggrin:

As for Che - yes, he's dead. No-one can touch him now, and yet his legacy still lives on within hundreds of millions of people worldwide, honoured right up into the highest echelons of social conscience across the bulk of the globe. Possibly even into the billions, considering the amount of poor and oppressed people in existence these days. I'd say that the C.I.A actually did him a world of good, in that respect.

Thanks, Apache! Good job!

Che Vive.

(Edited by Angie at 10:12 pm on June 17, 2002)


(Edited by Angie at 10:14 pm on June 17, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Apache on 1:20 pm on June 16, 2002
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB5/

On October 9th, 1967, Ernesto "Che" Guevara was put to death by Bolivian soldiers, trained, equipped and guided by U.S. Green Beret and CIA operatives. His execution remains a historic and controversial event; and thirty years later, the circumstances of his guerrilla foray into Bolivia, his capture, killing, and burial are still the subject of intense public interest and discussion around the world.

As part of the thirtieth anniversary of the death of Che Guevara, the National Security Archive's Cuba Documentation Project is posting a selection of key CIA, State Department, and Pentagon documentation relating to Guevara and his death. This electronic documents book is compiled from declassified records obtained by the National Security Archive, and by authors of two new books on Guevara: Jorge Castañeda's Compañero: The Life and Death of Che Guevara (Knopf), and Henry Butterfield Ryan's The Fall of Che Guevara (Oxford University Press). The selected documents, presented in order of the events they depict, provide only a partial picture of U.S. intelligence and military assessments, reports and extensive operations to track and "destroy" Che Guevara's guerrillas in Bolivia; thousands of CIA and military records on Guevara remain classified. But they do offer significant and valuable information on the high-level U.S. interest in tracking his revolutionary activities, and U.S. and Bolivian actions leading up to his death.


All of you Marxist can thank us later


Ah, finally a breath of fresh air in an otherwise misguided forum. *Good post, my friend.
One of our beloved CIA's finest hours!!!

...hmmm, a communist martyr. *Thats about as good as a screen door on a submarine! LOL, LOL

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 9:54 pm on June 17, 2002)

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Hmmm a capitalist idiot. About as useful as crappy American made products and twice as plentiful.

[Capitalist Imperial]

American Made products are 2nd to none!!!

[Guest]

what are some american-made products that are second to none.

The last time I checked, most of the stuff I was using was made in the third world.

[Capitalist Imperial]

US automakers have some very good products

American firearms are of good quality

american steel is among the worlds best

american computers are a benchmark for the world

american boats are unsurpassed

[Moskitto]

CI, we went over this material in annother post.

And about steel, if it's so good why do they have to put sanctions on European steel?

[vox]

"american steel is among the worlds best"

CI,

This is an off-topic question, but I was wondering if you agreed with the recent Bush administration action regarding steel imports.

vox

[Felicia]

Humm, I smell crap, oh wait, it's just Apachie.

Ha! Look what the oppressive, capitalist U$ has spawned now!. You aren't even worth arguing with. If you are with CIA than why have you even bothered to register here? Why don't you just sit back, relax, and spy on us like the rest of your "buddies" back at HQ?
The U$ has sucked you in dude, I don't blame ya though. I used to like the U$ too, but now I spit on their flag. I think you need a good nap and a wake-up pill.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Where do you live, felicia?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from vox on 10:41 pm on June 17, 2002
"american steel is among the worlds best"

CI,

This is an off-topic question, but I was wondering if you agreed with the recent Bush administration action regarding steel imports.

vox


We are acheiving parity against the heavy tax against US steel imports in Europe

[Felicia]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 7:39 pm on June 17, 2002
Where do you live, felicia?


Canada

[Capitalist Imperial]

Felicia, you are just another jealous canadian, totally reliant on our economy to exist!!!

[Felicia]

Jealous my ass!!! I didn't ask to be born in western society did I!! I do agree that our economy is only afloat because we're your lap dog, but green I'm not!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Have you ever lived in a communist, or even truely socialist system?

[Felicia]

There is no "truely" socialist/communist system out there in the form of a country. So, no I haven't lived on one. Where I live there is a little thing called socialized healthcare. If you need open heart surgery you can have it without having to pay an arm and a leg for it. If you're pregnant, you don't have to pay hundreds of dollars to pop out a baby. People should have easy access to healthcare and education, that's why I'm left. Equality over economy, it's an easy thing to be for.

[IzmSchism]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:58 pm on June 17, 2002
Felicia, you are just another jealous canadian, totally reliant on our economy to exist!!!


CI your arrogance is your weakness, what will Amerika be in the future without the dependence on Canada's natural resources???

[Mazdak]

Hey, isnt it funny, CI is not only supporting someone like Apache who is obviously some loser wiht nothing better to do then tell us we were in gay porn. AND he uses a goddam pic of DARTH VADER!!! Did you support Darth Vader and the Empire in the Star Wars movies or something??

[Felicia]

Quote: from IzmSchism on 8:59 pm on June 17, 2002

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:58 pm on June 17, 2002
Felicia, you are just another jealous canadian, totally reliant on our economy to exist!!!


CI your arrogance is your weakness, what will Amerika be in the future without the dependence on Canada's natural resources???


Yeah, really. After your country has polluted all of your lakes and rivers, who are you going to try to get water from? Probably the country with the largest supply of fresh water, right? Well that's us!! The U$ has tried to take water from us before (using NAFTA) and we stood up to you and said NO. Then, unfortunately we were fined 200 and some thousand dollars. It's not going to be long now before we have the upper hand......

[Goldfinger]

CI, You said that USA builds the best boats, then howcome the only registered harbours in the west are Italian, German, English, Finnish and Norwegian?

And by the way, it seems apache is finally banned, as he/she hasn't posted anything lately. That's too bad, I would love to see his political compass!:wink:

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Apocalypse When on 5:13 pm on June 19, 2002
CI, You said that USA builds the best boats, then howcome the only registered harbours in the west are Italian, German, English, Finnish and Norwegian?

And by the way, it seems apache is finally banned, as he/she hasn't posted anything lately. That's too bad, I would love to see his political compass!:wink:

Because it is cheaper for a european mariner to buy and harbor a boat in europe, besides, amerixan harbors are filled with american boats

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from felicia on 12:50 pm on June 19, 2002


Yeah, really. After your country has polluted all of your lakes and rivers, who are you going to try to get water from? Probably the country with the largest supply of fresh water, right? Well that's us!! The U$ has tried to take water from us before (using NAFTA) and we stood up to you and said NO. Then, unfortunately we were fined 200 and some thousand dollars. It's not going to be long now before we have the upper hand......


LOL, felicia, the US will most likely develop economic desalination soon, anyway, and we'll just draw water from the atlantic/ pacific. Besides, if you think that canada having the only clean water will give you the upper hand, you are sadly mistaken. If you try to withhold water from the US, then we will hit you with enough economic sanctions to implode your whole economy. And if you still refuse, then the US will simply come take the water by force. It would probably take us, oh, abut 6 hours to over-run canada and fully occupy it, LOL, LOL.

[vox]

CI,

You seem to forget that sanctions and embargoes against other countries also affect US business, especially in these days of transnational corporations. Also, you seem to think that a military strike would be easy, neglecting the idea that it might be difficult to garner public support for a war against Canada. Remember, these are white people you're talking about, not Arabs, not Asians. It makes a big difference.

Also, your faith is touching, but please explain why you think ocean water will soon be drinkable.

vox

[Capitalist Imperial]

Well, desalination is an already existing technology, but it is relatively expensive, and at this point cost/benefit analysis does not justify building desalination plants as we can still draw from existing fresh water. Once these stores are compromised, however, desalination seems to be the next option. This is all hypothetical, of course, as the US still has plenty of fresh water, and it is a naturally renewable resource anyway. It is the population that is the problem, not existing water storage.

I agree that all things being equal invading canada would be a hard sell. Of course, if you have 300+ million people accustomed to getting what they want (even the luxuries), and then you deny them basic water (although the water-source country depends on the US for many other things), then the citizenry of the USA may take a different opinion on our relationship with our northern neighbor.

This was, of course, a faciscious post as I don't think a US invasion of canada would actually happen (save for extraordinary circumstances), nor would I want one, but I believe felicias post suggesting that Canada would soon have the upper hand over the United States was rather ludicrous.

[Michael De Panama]

Hey. That's nice, Apache. Here's a cookie.

Now pardon me, I'm off to watch "My Submissive Stalin". Nothing I love better than those great pseudo-fascist tyrants contolling my life, killing innocent people, starving me, overworking me, and, of course, having gay sex in front of me.

Someone pass me the vodka.

[Mazdak]

Hey, this post has been turned to crap by losers like Apache trying to win an argument by simply insulting us.

[Anonymous]

Malte: kick Apache pleaze!

[Mazdak]

Why ban him?? just ignore the loser. He's got nothing better to do with his time them childishly insult us and makes cappies look more stupid

[SU37]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 2:26 pm on
LOL, felicia, the US will most likely develop economic desalination soon, anyway, and we'll just draw water from the atlantic/ pacific. Besides, if you think that canada having the only clean water will give you the upper hand, you are sadly mistaken. If you try to withhold water from the US, then we will hit you with enough economic sanctions to implode your whole economy. And if you still refuse, then the US will simply come take the water by force. It would probably take us, oh, abut 6 hours to over-run canada and fully occupy it, LOL, LOL.
Um CI....,by the time America took over that water....American troops would have pissed in so many times and fill it with garbage to the point where the water is undrinkable.America thought they could take over Vietnam in weeks and it took them 13 years and they lost.US Army wouldn't have the balls to attack us Canadians,We Canadians would fight back.It takes America 9 months to crush an 3rd world war army with AK's and RPG's.



(Edited by SU37 at 2:12 am on June 20, 2002)

[Apache]

I really want to apologize for being gone for a few days. The time and effort that it takes to arm and train death squads to squash peasant grievances against patriotic governments is grossly under appreciated by you folks.
Ahhhh, it is good to be back!
I know I was deeply missed. :)

[Angie]

*muffled sniggering*

[Felicia]

Ok, Canada will not have the upper hand, of course I know that. I just said it. If the US ever placed extreme sanctions on us, it wouldn't benefit the US at all. I think the estimate is around 80% of our exports go to the US, most of that is natural resources. You would be saying goodbye to Canadian soft wood lumber (which Bushie is making a big deal about) amongst other things. Canada has enough natural resources to thrive quite easily. For example, there is enough oil in the sand in Athabasca to fuel Canada for the next 300 years! (Although extracting it is rather expensive). We are rich with resources. So we don't have a lot of money....at least our people would be fed!! Besides, everyone loves us friendly, peacekeeping Canadians, the US would be pissing off a lot of people by attacking us in any way. ;)

[SU37]

Thats very true felicia,Everyone loves us Canadians.

[Michael De Panama]

You know, it would really be a shame if you banned Apache. I draw great humor from his posts. There's nothing better than an extremely stereotypical capitalist pig. :)

[Apache]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 12:37 pm on June 20, 2002
You know, it would really be a shame if you banned Apache. I draw great humor from his posts. There's nothing better than an extremely stereotypical capitalist pig. :)

Ahhh...
Recognition!

[Mazdak]

Hey- I agree with de Panama. His insults may have no basis and be completely illogical but they are rather funny and he makes capitalists everywhere lookmore stupid than they are (if possible)

[ReSiStIr MeCa UsA]

FILE ON YOU.....AMERICANO HIFUEPUTA!

[Apache]

ReSiStIr MeCa UsA That quote was by Emiliano Zapata, not the murderous psychopath Pancho Villa.
The actual quote is: It is better to die on your feet than to spend a lifetime on your knees.

[SU37]

C.I.A are pigs and murders,If you ask me the KGB and CIA were both pigs and murders.Also apache,you avatar makes me wanna puke.

(Edited by SU37 at 4:31 am on June 21, 2002)

[Apache]

And your Avatar is some great work of art?
Pfffft...

[SU37]

Wow! You really are stupid,my avatar was thrown together in photoshop real fast.My avatar is a little clearer then yours,Avatar is an avatar...who cares.

[Goldfinger]

What do you think of my avatar? I took it from a norwegian hip-hop band (http://www.gatasp.no)

[Dhul Fiqar]

I have only one thing to say.

Apache, you are a seacow felating, dead rat felching son of a capibara-lover.

--- G. Raven

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from SU37 on 7:08 am on June 20, 2002

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 2:26 pm on
LOL, felicia, the US will most likely develop economic desalination soon, anyway, and we'll just draw water from the atlantic/ pacific. Besides, if you think that canada having the only clean water will give you the upper hand, you are sadly mistaken. If you try to withhold water from the US, then we will hit you with enough economic sanctions to implode your whole economy. And if you still refuse, then the US will simply come take the water by force. It would probably take us, oh, abut 6 hours to over-run canada and fully occupy it, LOL, LOL.
Um CI....,by the time America took over that water....American troops would have pissed in so many times and fill it with garbage to the point where the water is undrinkable.America thought they could take over Vietnam in weeks and it took them 13 years and they lost.US Army wouldn't have the balls to attack us Canadians,We Canadians would fight back.It takes America 9 months to crush an 3rd world war army with AK's and RPG's.



(Edited by SU37 at 2:12 am on June 20, 2002)


The NVA was not a 3rd world army, they were well trained and well equipped. And the US won most of the battles in Vietnam,it is just that our operations were managed poorly. We were fighting/winning battles over objectives that didn't matter. We fought with 1 hand tied behind our backs. It was north vietnam's luck that we didn't go all out in the north.

We wouldn't have the guts to attack Canada? We would wipe the floor with your butts faster than we did with the Iraqi's!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Apocalypse When on 11:25 am on June 21, 2002
What do you think of my avatar? I took it from a norwegian hip-hop band (http://www.gatasp.no)


A "norweigan hip-hop band"? LOL, LOL, that is funny in itself. Did they learn the tough, street ethic of hip-hop from the mean streets of Oslo? LOL, LOL!!!

[IzmSchism]

Canada doesn't have an army, we bought some old ships from Britain, spent millions of dollars on over priced helicopters from a friend (contractor) of the PM, with the possibility of NorthCom, the proposed border defense system from the south to North, basically the US would either have there own military crafts and personell patrolling our own border or they would just tell us what to do, so either way, pretty soon if you attack us, you'll just be attacking yourself, and either way this disease is going to keep on spreading.

[IzmSchism]

have you been to oslo moron? do you think hip hop can only come from the almighty US, do you think that all the mean streets are only in the big bad ol' US of A, well I guess they lock up more people in their prison system than anyone else.....dumbass

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IzmSchism on 7:25 pm on June 21, 2002
Canada doesn't have an army, we bought some old ships from Britain, spent millions of dollars on over priced helicopters from a friend (contractor) of the PM, with the possibility of NorthCom, the proposed border defense system from the south to North, basically the US would either have there own military crafts and personell patrolling our own border or they would just tell us what to do, so either way, pretty soon if you attack us, you'll just be attacking yourself, and either way this disease is going to keep on spreading.

Thats another good point, Canada enjoys the benefit of the US economy and US protection, yet some canadians don't seem to appreciate it.

If it wasn't for the USA, Canada would have become another territory of the soviet empire long ago, let alone have almost 0 economy.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IzmSchism on 7:29 pm on June 21, 2002
have you been to oslo moron? do you think hip hop can only come from the almighty US, do you think that all the mean streets are only in the big bad ol' US of A, well I guess they lock up more people in their prison system than anyone else.....dumbass


LOL, don't be mad, IZM, but I've been to many american cities, and believe me,, nothing about Oslo, Norway is tough or mean compared to US cities.

[IzmSchism]

it is called mutual co-economic dependence, it is not like we suck on the teet of mother america for everything...and as for Oslo, I am sure there are a higher number of poorer communities, higher crime rates, higher drug problems, as you seem to agree, god bless being tough and mean.

[Hayduke]

Apache,

You really havent much of a life do you ?
If you think you can piss me off with your communsim movie
titles then you are on the wrong track buddy.

Well i looked all the 10 damn pages to find a good argument
from you against us commies, but the only thing
I got was stupid jokes.
Someone thats so proud of his system that he wears the symbol of crack seller must have good arguments against communism.

Im waiting,

Bas

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IzmSchism on 7:48 pm on June 21, 2002
it is called mutual co-economic dependence, it is not like we suck on the teet of mother america for everything...and as for Oslo, I am sure there are a higher number of poorer communities, higher crime rates, higher drug problems, as you seem to agree, god bless being tough and mean.


Mutual co-economic dependence? Yes. 50/50? Not even close.

[IzmSchism]

The United States' Current Account Deficit with Canada Amounts to Only 6% of the Total Exchange

The U.S.-Canada current account — the balance of trade in goods, services and income flows — has shifted back and forth over the past few decades. In 2000, Canada's surplus was $31 billion, only 6% of all goods, services and income flows between the two countries.

The U.S. current account with the world showed a negative balance of $445 billion in 2000, 14% of its trade in goods, services and income flows with all nations.

[SU37]

The NVA was not a 3rd world army, they were well trained and well equipped. And the US won most of the battles in Vietnam,it is just that our operations were managed poorly. We were fighting/winning battles over objectives that didn't matter. We fought with 1 hand tied behind our backs. It was north vietnam's luck that we didn't go all out in the north.

We wouldn't have the guts to attack Canada? We would wipe the floor with your butts faster than we did with the Iraqi's!
I would like to see America's imperal army invade Canada.US Army would probably wipe us clean in about half a year.IF the US attacked Canada,Russia would be in there giving us weapons so fast you would see it coming.Everyone loves us Canadians,people would be pissed if the US attacked us.

[Guest]

Why doesn't comeone show me the proof that the CIA invented crack to destory poor communities. I have heard this accusation tossed about by many, yet it is still as baseless as ever.
It remains true that, during the O.J. Simpon trial, the CIA was declassifying information that implicates themselves for drug smuggling operations. Considering the fact that our liberal body politic has gouged military and intelligence expenditure, drug running remains an excellent way of generating slush funds. Black operations must be funded, one way or another. Still, I have never seen any shred of evidence that they create crack for some sort of racial eugenics movement. To me, it sounds like rhetoric from Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, both dispicable human beings.

[IzmSchism]

what?

who said the CIA invented crack?

but they sure did like to trade it off for wapons and support.

Bush admitted to bumpin' a rail here and there.

[Mazdak]

Hey Apache, howabout coming up with an argument worth hearing. And If the US invaded Canada, no one would help. The World is far too cowardly to help. Look at WW2. the League of Nations simply condemned the actions taken by italy and germany but did almost nothing. Italy and Germany were far from the most powerful nations in Europe and noone acted against them at the time. Why would anyone act against the only coutnry that can call itself a "superpower"? No one will help, they wont like it, but by the time they come to Canadas aid, it will be too late

[Apache]

Mazdak, you have it all wrong. The US exists only to please our Canadian masters.
We would NEVER do anything to harm our Northern Overlords.
http://www.standonguard.com/images/cwdbanner.gif

http://www.standonguard.com/index2.html

(Edited by Apache at 10:03 pm on June 21, 2002)


(Edited by Apache at 10:05 pm on June 21, 2002)

[SU37]

Apache,We Canadians do not want to dominate the World.Stop posting your anti Canadian garbage

[Apache]

Quote: from SU37 on 6:06 am on June 22, 2002
Apache,We Canadians do not want to dominate the World.Stop posting your anti Canadian garbage

You're not real sharp are you?

[Guest]

Quote: from SU37 on 9:18 pm on June 21, 2002



The NVA was not a 3rd world army, they were well trained and well equipped. And the US won most of the battles in Vietnam,it is just that our operations were managed poorly. We were fighting/winning battles over objectives that didn't matter. We fought with 1 hand tied behind our backs. It was north vietnam's luck that we didn't go all out in the north.

We wouldn't have the guts to attack Canada? We would wipe the floor with your butts faster than we did with the Iraqi's!
I would like to see America's imperal army invade Canada.US Army would probably wipe us clean in about half a year.IF the US attacked Canada,Russia would be in there giving us weapons so fast you would see it coming.Everyone loves us Canadians,people would be pissed if the US attacked us.


This is capitalist Imperial...

Maybe the Russians would jump in and help the Canadians, but I don't think so. I think Russia would be more interested in maintaining a relationship with us over Canada. Besides, if Russia wants to go ahead and fuck up, let them, we'll take them out too.

[Xvall]

Quote: from Guest on 9:42 pm on June 21, 2002
Why doesn't comeone show me the proof that the CIA invented crack to destory poor communities. I have heard this accusation tossed about by many, yet it is still as baseless as ever.
It remains true that, during the O.J. Simpon trial, the CIA was declassifying information that implicates themselves for drug smuggling operations. Considering the fact that our liberal body politic has gouged military and intelligence expenditure, drug running remains an excellent way of generating slush funds. Black operations must be funded, one way or another. Still, I have never seen any shred of evidence that they create crack for some sort of racial eugenics movement. To me, it sounds like rhetoric from Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson, both dispicable human beings.


Duh! Why don't you show evidence of all the people Stalin killed. Hmm, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. But this is not to say it's false. Although you have no evidence Stalin killed anyone, it is still acknowledged. So you'd better acknowledge that the CIA is bad as well.

[Apache]

Duh! Why don't you show evidence of all the people Stalin killed. Hmm, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. But this is not to say it's false. Although you have no evidence Stalin killed anyone, it is still acknowledged. So you'd better acknowledge that the CIA is bad as well.

So all those bodies were just one big mass-suicide?

[SU37]

This is capitalist Imperial...

Maybe the Russians would jump in and help the Canadians, but I don't think so. I think Russia would be more interested in maintaining a relationship with us over Canada. Besides, if Russia wants to go ahead and fuck up, let them, we'll take them out too.

I don't think US army is going to take the Russians down,It would probably take America 15 years to fight off the Russians.

[SU37]

Quote: from Apache on 2:14 pm on June 22,

You're not real sharp are you?

Um....yes,I don't know everything really but Im a hell lot smarter then you.The last time I checked you weren't the sharpest pencil in the can.

(Edited by SU37 at 11:30 am on June 23, 2002)

[Apache]

Quote: from SU37 on 8:28 am on June 23, 2002

Quote: from Apache on 2:14 pm on June 22,

You're not real sharp are you?

Um....yes,I don't know everything really but Im a hell lot smarter then you.The last time I checked you weren't the sharpest pencil in the can.

(Edited by SU37 at 11:30 am on June 23, 2002)


Please refer to the "Canadian World Domination" link.
Can you say SATIRE?

[Xvall]

Quote: from Apache on 4:57 am on June 23, 2002

Duh! Why don't you show evidence of all the people Stalin killed. Hmm, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. But this is not to say it's false. Although you have no evidence Stalin killed anyone, it is still acknowledged. So you'd better acknowledge that the CIA is bad as well.

So all those bodies were just one big mass-suicide?


You're an idiot. Did you read my post? I said that it is ACKNOWLEDGED that Stalin killed people. I never denied anything! Good god, kid, do you even read what the people here post?

[Apache]

It was an oblique third person reference to those that denied the mass-killings of Stalin.
I promise to keep future nuances to a minimum.

[Mazdak]

LOL, i must say that post amused me. Howver, i believe Canada would form an alliance with Australia before taking action. No one distrusts either country, so no one would try to stop their evil conquest of earth.

And If Russia was to weak to defeat Afghanistan and Chechnya(spelling), Russia stands no chance against the US. Even "general winter" cant save it anymore

[Apache]

Quote: from Mazdak on 11:12 am on June 23, 2002
LOL, i must say that post amused me. Howver, i believe Canada would form an alliance with Australia before taking action. No one distrusts either country, so no one would try to stop their evil conquest of earth.

And If Russia was to weak to defeat Afghanistan and Chechnya(spelling), Russia stands no chance against the US. Even "general winter" cant save it anymore

Actually it is a matter of political will.
If Russai wanted, they could have walked all over both of those places.

[Felicia]

I think Canada could form an alliance w/ Russia. Geographically we are very close, not to mention close to the US. Putin is just playing friendly with the US because they need a country with a lot of money to invest in Russia's oil. Lots of oil but no money to refine it. The DEW line is of strategic importance to the US (for keeping an eye on Russia), we could tell you to keep the hell of our land, humph (yes I realize that you are probablly going to say that you'd just take it anyway, isn't it just like you capitalist imperialists to want what you can't have).

[Felicia]

A Canadian comedian once said.......

"If we were in prison, the US would be our *****".

[Mazdak]

It is foolish to believe that canada could ever survive, Putin is a dirty traitor who acts like he loves the4 US and loves Bush even though he doesnt and doesnt have the courage to admit it. Canada doesnt have an army. only in the South Park movie will canada ever stand up the the US in a war.

[Thine Stalin]

Hee hee canadian nationalism


sorry, just kidding. :P

[Apache]

only in the South Park movie will Canada ever stand up the the US in a war.
And only in a South Park movie would we take up arms against Canada.
Really, why would ANYONE smack around Canada?
As for their military size, they don't need a military anyways.
I thought it was funny that there is more air-power in one American Carrier battle group than in all of Canada's Airforce.
At the end of the day, if anyone messed with Canada they would be dealing with BIG BROTHER very soon.
Really, they have the best of all worlds.

[Capitalist Imperial]

LOL, there is more power in 1 US carrier battlegroup than most countries entire military period.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from SU37 on 4:25 pm on June 23, 2002


I don't think US army is going to take the Russians down,It would probably take America 15 years to fight off the Russians.


C'mon, SU37, they may be a little more challenging than the Canadians, but it would not take the USA 15 years to defeat the Russian military

[Red Revolution]

I belive that the world now has no healthy balance of power. In order for the human race to keep striving for better, some competition is needed

[Felicia]

Quote: from Apache on 10:14 am on June 25, 2002
only in the South Park movie will Canada ever stand up the the US in a war.
And only in a South Park movie would we take up arms against Canada.
Really, why would ANYONE smack around Canada?
As for their military size, they don't need a military anyways.
I thought it was funny that there is more air-power in one American Carrier battle group than in all of Canada's Airforce.
At the end of the day, if anyone messed with Canada they would be dealing with BIG BROTHER very soon.
Really, they have the best of all worlds.


That's nice...I think. Maybe you're not as bad as I had originally thought you were. :) Are you implying that the US is BB?

[Felicia]

Quote: from Thine Stalin on 10:07 am on June 25, 2002
Hee hee canadian nationalism


sorry, just kidding. :P


hey :(

It doesn't matter where I'm from, I'd stick up for any country. :)

[Apache]

That's nice...I think. Maybe you're not as bad as I had originally thought you were. Are you implying that the US is BB?
Oh no, I'm Bad! :)
USA=BB

America, Holy Protector of Molson Beer. :)

[Smoking Frog II]

I hate tha f****** CIA.

[Apache]

Quote: from Smoking Frog II on 5:40 am on June 26, 2002
I hate tha f****** CIA.

The CIA is the personification of love!
We bring love and happiness all over the globe where love is needed. :)

[Felicia]

Quote: from Apache on 11:13 am on June 26, 2002

Quote: from Smoking Frog II on 5:40 am on June 26, 2002
I hate tha f****** CIA.

The CIA is the personification of love!
We bring love and happiness all over the globe where love is needed. :)

I certainly hope you just hit your head young man.

[IzmSchism]

Apache ............ funny.

[Lardlad95]

HEy Apache, you really need to lay off the whiskey its making you tell bold face lies

[Apache]

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 10:25 am on June 26, 2002
HEy Apache, you really need to lay off the whiskey its making you tell bold face lies

NO! You have The CIA all wrong.
We only want to love and be loved in return. :)

I Love YOU and YOU Love ME...
(new CIA Mission Statement)
And we will be using The Lovable Purple Dinosaur of Love, Barney, to get our message out! :)

XXXOOO

[Capitalist]

The Bolivians killed Che Guevara.

The CIA simply helped.

I wish they would of killed him before he ever came to Cuba.

Che Guevara = Closeminded, Ignorant, Hateful, Oppressor = Stalin & Mao Admirer = Hard Core Communist = Thine Stalin.

[IzmSchism]

how do you reduce Che to Stalin?

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from Apache on 7:20 pm on June 26, 2002

NO! You have The CIA all wrong.
We only want to love and be loved in return. :)

I Love YOU and YOU Love ME...
(new CIA Mission Statement)
And we will be using The Lovable Purple Dinosaur of Love, Barney, to get our message out! :)

XXXOOO

Man, I hope Apache stays forever! :)

Oh yeah, Capitalist, I'm going to correct you for about the tenth time on your little accusations. Che, in fact, absolutely hated Stalin and the Soviet system. Get it? That means he didn't ADMIRE Stalin. That means that he didn't get his Cuban citizenship taken away for saying nice things about the Soviet Union. That means he HATED Stalin. Can you get that through your fat head?

Yes, he did admire Mao, but not for his political ideology as much as for his revolutionary tactics. This is made obvious by Che's interest in guerrilla warfare and such. And do you, Cappie, believe that he was wrong in believing so? Mao was, after all, a brilliant revolutionary. It doesn't take a Maoist to tell you that, and I am certainly no Maoist.

[death b4 dishonour]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:25 am on June 26, 2002
LOL, there is more power in 1 US carrier battlegroup than most countries entire military period.


And who the fuck do you think is escorting that fat american piece of shit carrier? Canadian destroyers you dumb shit.

[Apache]

And who the fuck do you think is escorting that fat american piece of shit carrier? Canadian destroyers you dumb shit.
Like we don't have any destroyers?
Idiot!
With Love!

[Red Revolution]

To: All cappies on the forum

Sorry to burst your propoganda bubble but who the hell wants to know from people who are from a country (U.S.) who turn on their own allies in cold blood. (Afgahnistan)
or didn't they tell you, it wouldnt supprise me.

[Apache]

Quote: from Red Revolution on 2:05 pm on June 26, 2002
To: All cappies on the forum

Sorry to burst your propoganda bubble but who the hell wants to know from people who are from a country (U.S.) who turn on their own allies in cold blood. (Afgahnistan)
or didn't they tell you, it wouldnt supprise me.

STOP IT Red Revolution!
YOU'RE HURTING MY FEELINGS!!!!!! :(

You're lame! If you are going to hurl insults, at least make them interesting and FUN TO READ!
And for God's sake, LEARN TO SPELL!

Now go back and try it again!
A lot of people went to some great lengths to insult me in this thread. And then you come along and want to get in on the fun but not put forth the effort. That is not fair to the other posters that have hated me much more and put forth the EFFORT at a really eloquent FLAME JOB!
You cheapen their efforts and the rest of the board.
You owe them an apology.
I want you to write: "The CIA stole Che's hands." 500 times and not come back until you have some hateful invective to share!


(Edited by Apache at 2:18 pm on June 26, 2002)

[Red Revolution]

Dear Apache

I feel obliged to apologize to you for my actions that you obviosly found offensive. However I would like to know what do you think of your valiant airmen killing canadian soldiers.

[Apache]

Quote: from Red Revolution on 2:31 pm on June 26, 2002
Dear Apache

I feel obliged to apologize to you for my actions that you obviosly found offensive. However I would like to know what do you think of your valiant airmen killing canadian soldiers.

That IS NOT hateful invective! ;)
But you force me to work with what I got.

Do you think it was INTENTIONAL? Do you really think that one of our pilots was just driving around the sky and said "Hey, let's bomb some Canadians!"? No one will miss them and it sounds like great fun!
I was a horrible and unfortunate FUCK-UP.
Beyond that and and stating our deepest and most heartfelt condolences and cutting checks to their families, what more can be done?
That pilot's career is toast and he will never fly again and he is likely to do jail time, be stripped of rank and kicked out of the military and lose any pension and benefits for his family as well.
I guess we could go one step further and just shoot the guy, not that they rest of his life is worth much anyways.

[Red Revolution]

Thank you

[Moskitto]

Che Guevara = Closeminded, Ignorant, Hateful, Oppressor = Stalin & Mao Admirer = Hard Core Communist = Thine Stalin.

You know what, I reckon that if we called ourselves something different he wouldn't really notice us. Such is the way of the US.

Did you know that if you take kayaks to the US you say that they're "surfboards" but give the kayak measurements so you get charged less?

[Red Revolution]

But one more thing Apache
You would have thought bieng a superpower the intelligence would be up to scratch for such a calamity ever to occur. Also how do you know ALL the facts some info has to be kept under, dosen't it?

[Apache]

Quote: from Red Revolution on 3:02 pm on June 26, 2002
But one more thing Apache
You would have thought bieng a superpower the intelligence would be up to scratch for such a calamity ever to occur. Also how do you know ALL the facts some info has to be kept under, dosen't it?

Most of the time it is avoided but accidents still happen. The best we can do is keep them at a minimum.
Regardless of how we do things, at the end of the day there are still human being at the controls.
The bad part about combat accidents is that they happen with things that go boom.
If that accident would have happened without the pilot using precision guided munitions it is likely that the bomb would have missed and you would have had nothing more than a bunch of shaken, but alive, Canadian soldiers.
The flip side is that if we were just using iron bombs then the civilian casualty rate would be through the roof.
No easy choices here.

[Apache]

Did you know that if you take kayaks to the US you say that they're "surfboards" but give the kayak measurements so you get charged less?

You need to rephrase that statement as an insult directed at me.
Edit your post.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from death b4 dishonour on 9:16 pm on June 26, 2002

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:25 am on June 26, 2002
LOL, there is more power in 1 US carrier battlegroup than most countries entire military period.


And who the fuck do you think is escorting that fat american piece of shit carrier? Canadian destroyers you dumb shit.


LOL, you are funny! Canadian destroyers do not escort US carriers, the US Navy has plenty of their own destroyers, subs, and battle cruisers!! LOL, You think we need Canadian destroyers (which are just out of date american ships anyway)to escort our battlegroups? Not even close. You just don't have your own carriers to escort, and you have nothing else to do because we protect you. Our navy is very, very, very, very, very far from needing support of canadian warships. LOL, LOL

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Apache on 10:42 pm on June 26, 2002

Do you think it was INTENTIONAL? Do you really think that one of our pilots was just driving around the sky and said "Hey, let's bomb some Canadians!"? No one will miss them and it sounds like great fun!
I was a horrible and unfortunate FUCK-UP.
Beyond that and and stating our deepest and most heartfelt condolences and cutting checks to their families, what more can be done?
That pilot's career is toast and he will never fly again and he is likely to do jail time, be stripped of rank and kicked out of the military and lose any pension and benefits for his family as well.
I guess we could go one step further and just shoot the guy, not that they rest of his life is worth much anyways.



Actually, the pilot won't even be in trouble, it wasn't his problem, the weapons landed right where they were programmed to. It was bad intel and coordinates from the ground. A tragic mistake, but far from a criminal or intentional act.

By the way, from WWII through today, the US military has the lowest % of friendly fire incidents of any war-fighting nation.

[Mazdak]

Why are we arguing over such a pathetic topic? Canada vs. US, the first war won in a night.

[Xvall]

Quote: from Capitalist on 7:34 pm on June 26, 2002

Che Guevara = Closeminded, Ignorant, Hateful, Oppressor = Stalin & Mao Admirer = Hard Core Communist = Thine Stalin.


I swear! You and your stupid trail on connections! I can do that too!

Hitler=Vowel in name=GEORGE BUSH!

Wow! How about another one!

Hitler=Likes Money=Capitalist=Capitalism=AMERIKKKA!!

[Xvall]

Quote: from Apache on 10:12 pm on June 26, 2002

Quote: from Red Revolution on 2:05 pm on June 26, 2002
To: All cappies on the forum

Sorry to burst your propoganda bubble but who the hell wants to know from people who are from a country (U.S.) who turn on their own allies in cold blood. (Afgahnistan)
or didn't they tell you, it wouldnt supprise me.

STOP IT Red Revolution!
YOU'RE HURTING MY FEELINGS!!!!!! :(

You're lame! If you are going to hurl insults, at least make them interesting and FUN TO READ!
And for God's sake, LEARN TO SPELL!

Now go back and try it again!
A lot of people went to some great lengths to insult me in this thread. And then you come along and want to get in on the fun but not put forth the effort. That is not fair to the other posters that have hated me much more and put forth the EFFORT at a really eloquent FLAME JOB!
You cheapen their efforts and the rest of the board.
You owe them an apology.
I want you to write: "The CIA stole Che's hands." 500 times and not come back until you have some hateful invective to share!


(Edited by Apache at 2:18 pm on June 26, 2002)


Flame job? Weren't you the one bragging about Che's hands just in order to piss everyone off?

[Apache]

Weren't you the one bragging about Che's hands just in order to piss everyone off?

No, that was Malte.

[Mazdak]

Apache, once again, i beggeth thee for an intelligent post that actually is more than just flaming someone

[IzmSchism]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 12:43 am on June 27, 2002

Quote: from Apache on 10:42 pm on June 26, 2002

Do you think it was INTENTIONAL? Do you really think that one of our pilots was just driving around the sky and said "Hey, let's bomb some Canadians!"? No one will miss them and it sounds like great fun!
I was a horrible and unfortunate FUCK-UP.
Beyond that and and stating our deepest and most heartfelt condolences and cutting checks to their families, what more can be done?
That pilot's career is toast and he will never fly again and he is likely to do jail time, be stripped of rank and kicked out of the military and lose any pension and benefits for his family as well.
I guess we could go one step further and just shoot the guy, not that they rest of his life is worth much anyways.



Actually, the pilot won't even be in trouble, it wasn't his problem, the weapons landed right where they were programmed to. It was bad intel and coordinates from the ground. A tragic mistake, but far from a criminal or intentional act.




CI, you boob, he admitted to not going through proper procedure, besides all he saw, and reported to have seen was ground fire, then he drops a bomb? Trigger happy yanqui ready to kill! Apache was right the guy is FUCT.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Its spelled "yankee".. And being trigger happy is kindred to being American, thanks for the compliment!!!

[Capitalist Imperial]

That groung fire he saw must have been the flash of sunlight reflecting off of the Molson Ice and Moosehead cans. I guess we'll have 1 less canoe imported this year.

[IzmSchism]

good one, have you been taking Apache writing lessons on how to insult using witty crossfire.....well you stink at it, anyways, point of the matter is I am correct, and once again you see violence as a virtue, and I dont care how you think I should spell yanqui, it is the francais in me. How do you suppose I spell ground or in your case groug. And for the beer, all I can say for you is "amerikan piss," it's cheap and it sucks.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IzmSchism on 6:28 pm on June 27, 2002
good one, have you been taking Apache writing lessons on how to insult using witty crossfire.....well you stink at it, anyways, point of the matter is I am correct, and once again you see violence as a virtue, and I dont care how you think I should spell yanqui, it is the francais in me. How do you suppose I spell ground or in your case groug. And for the beer, all I can say for you is "amerikan piss," it's cheap and it sucks.

The francais in you? Now we know you are a real loser. The french, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL

[IzmSchism]

how does it feel to call your aunt, mom?

[Capitalist Imperial]

How doies it feel to have french in you? That is 10 times as bad.

[IzmSchism]

10 times as bad, really, man I must be a loser. oh wait a minute, no, I like having culture and knowing another language and learning other people's history, it helps me understand the world so much better instead of rotting away like an arrogant little prick who can't make a good insult stick.

[Brian]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 6:19 pm on June 27, 2002
That groung fire he saw must have been the flash of sunlight reflecting off of the Molson Ice and Moosehead cans. I guess we'll have 1 less canoe imported this year.
That U.S pilot must have just finished guzzling down a 40 and couldn't see straight but they sent him up anyway,and were in the hell did you learn to spell?



(Edited by Brian at 3:06 pm on June 27, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

I spell fine, i just don't go back and edit in the interest of posting quicker as I am debating on a number of threads.

The point is, commies and anti-americans always jump on U.S. friendly-fire incidents that the media puts under a microscope to try and dicredit the worlds greatest military, when in actuality the US has the lowest friendly fire percentege per mission of any war fighting nation.

[Mazdak]

SO let me get this straight, the US attacks a Chinese aircraft, makezs a forced landing at a chinese military base, and then blames the chinese for everything. Our incidents are funny because we refuse to take responsibility, just like sinking a japanese fishing boat with our submarines "by accident"

CI- twice we either destroyed or allowed the destruction of our ships(Pearl Harbor and USS Maine) and we might actaully have a 3rd time now(reports show that Bush knew something might happen on 9/11.
We arent afraid to destroy our own ships and kill our own men, why should we not do it to other nations?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Mazdak on 2:56 am on June 28, 2002
SO let me get this straight, the US attacks a Chinese aircraft, makezs a forced landing at a chinese military base, and then blames the chinese for everything. Our incidents are funny because we refuse to take responsibility, just like sinking a japanese fishing boat with our submarines "by accident"

CI- twice we either destroyed or allowed the destruction of our ships(Pearl Harbor and USS Maine) and we might actaully have a 3rd time now(reports show that Bush knew something might happen on 9/11.
We arent afraid to destroy our own ships and kill our own men, why should we not do it to other nations?

A large, slow, unarmed, prop driven US Plane "attacked" a Chinese jet fighter? This is really pathetic.

You are really desperate. You must have no idea of what happened, dude.

The obviously unskilled chinese pilot tried to buzz the US plane,and he got to close, and he collided with our plane.

I can't believe that even you entertain the notion that the US plane was on the offensive in that incident. You have lost all credibility as a legitimate debater.

[Red Revolution]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 9:19 pm on June 28, 2002

Quote: from Mazdak on 2:56 am on June 28, 2002
SO let me get this straight, the US attacks a Chinese aircraft, makezs a forced landing at a chinese military base, and then blames the chinese for everything. Our incidents are funny because we refuse to take responsibility, just like sinking a japanese fishing boat with our submarines "by accident"

CI- twice we either destroyed or allowed the destruction of our ships(Pearl Harbor and USS Maine) and we might actaully have a 3rd time now(reports show that Bush knew something might happen on 9/11.
We arent afraid to destroy our own ships and kill our own men, why should we not do it to other nations?

A large, slow, unarmed, prop driven US Plane "attacked" a Chinese jet fighter? This is really pathetic.

You are really desperate. You must have no idea of what happened, dude.

The obviously unskilled chinese pilot tried to buzz the US plane,and he got to close, and he collided with our plane.

I can't believe that even you entertain the notion that the US plane was on the offensive in that incident. You have lost all credibility as a legitimate debater.


I think that you are bieng economical with the truth. The US does not have the lowest freindly fire history in the world. For one example the US attacked Australian infantry in Vietnam repeatidly. If you want to debate this add a post, if you don't think you know the facts then forget it.

[IzmSchism]

my computer is running too slow right now, thanks world com, anyways, someone pls refresh my memory, wasn't the spy plane in hostile territory? as in they were not supposed to be in china's airspace? I forget.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from IzmSchism on 10:32 pm on June 28, 2002
my computer is running too slow right now, thanks world com, anyways, someone pls refresh my memory, wasn't the spy plane in hostile territory? as in they were not supposed to be in china's airspace? I forget.

It was not in chinese airspace,it was over the ocean, in international airspace

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Red Revolution on 9:59 pm on June 28, 2002


I think that you are bieng economical with the truth. The US does not have the lowest freindly fire history in the world. For one example the US attacked Australian infantry in Vietnam repeatidly. If you want to debate this add a post, if you don't think you know the facts then forget it.



Statistically, our record is worse than many nations in part because we keep statistics and most don't.

Of those nations that do keep statistics, part of the problem is the imbalance in sample sizes. We are the elephant. For example, there have been exactly two cases in which Harpoon missiles have locked onto civilians structures intraining excercises. One of them was Danish, and took out
several apartments of a beach front hotel. As a result, the statistical safety record for Danish harpoon firings is abyssmal. The recent accidental downing of a civilian airliner by a Ukrainian missile puts that nation's statistics in the toilet as well. friendly fire casualties is a rare event, and if any fire at all is a rare event, you are looking at a rare subset of a rare subset, generating incredibly useless statistics.

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 11:00 pm on June 28, 2002)

[Red Revolution]

CI

It does not matter if a country keeps statistics as the press will publish them anyway.

[Moskitto]

Trigger Happy isn't a virtue, Trigger Happy means I run around with a crowbar on Half-Life because my ammo disapeares and only serves a useful purpose when I see the total freak shooting his gun at a wall and I take his head of with a shotgun from behind.

[Mazdak]

I will defend my post, we attacked by entering restricted airspace. and the
chinese pilot was killed. If you are in another's territory and land on their base AND one of their planes and pilots is dead, i say we were offensice CI. And we shouldn't have been there in the first place. The Pilot would not have had to leave the base if we hadn't been so close to restricted arispace. And then we wouldnt even apologize

Hey- I think we've killed almost as many of our own troops in Afghanistan as the Taliban has !! there have been more friendly fire accidents than actual combat casualties!!!