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Hayduke
15th June 2002, 09:19
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HAVANA, Cuba (AP) -- Fidel Castro's mobilization of millions of people to ratify Cuba's one-party socialist system as "untouchable" has organizers of a reform movement convinced their project has terrified the government.

"We are filled with hope," said Oswaldo Paya, top organizer of the Varela Project referendum. "It was the desperate mobilization of a government that feels panicked. If the government feels so sure that it has the support of the people, then why not have the referendum?"

Described as the nation's response to President Bush's May 20 Cuba policy speeches, the marches here and around the island Wednesday also supported a proposed constitutional amendment declaring that Cuba's economic, political and social systems cannot be changed.

Surrounded by security men and other top communist officials, Castro, who celebrates his 76th birthday in August, walked slowly down the Malecon coastal boulevard for about a mile, then stood on a stage for hours afterward watching marchers pass by.

Wearing his traditional olive green uniform and cap and the black high-top athletic shoes he now favors, Castro waved a small red, white and blue Cuban flag as the sea of people marched toward the U.S. Interests Section, the American mission in Havana.

"Long live socialism! Down with the lies!" Castro shouted -- referring to Bush's speeches promising not to lift American trade and travel restrictions until Cuba holds competitive elections and undertakes other democratic reforms.

The Havana event coincided with about 800 marches around the island involving several million of the nation's 11 million citizens, the government said. The government said 1.2 million people -- more than half the capital's population -- participated in Havana alone.

Paya said he watched part of the march, which was shown live on state television and then repeated for viewers in the late afternoon.

"In the street with their little flag, the people cannot say anything," said Paya, a longtime activist with Cuba's Christian Liberation Movement. "Thousands of those people marching in front of the Interests Section are signed up there for the [visa] lottery to go to the United States."

Castro called for the mobilization to support the proposed constitutional change, announced one month to the day after Paya and other activists submitted more than 11,000 signatures to the National Assembly soliciting a referendum.

The Varela Project initiative would ask voters if they favor civil liberties including freedom of speech and assembly, the right to own a business, electoral reform and amnesty for political prisoners.

Most Cubans first heard of the Varela Project in mid-May, when former President Jimmy Carter mentioned it in a live, uncensored television address to the Cuban people. Carter suggested that the plan be published in the state media. But that has not happened, and most Cubans still do not know what it says.

Castro has said nothing publicly about the Varela Project. But the proposal to describe the socialist system as "untouchable" in the constitution indicates that the current leadership is not in the mood for change.

In comments to international media, communist officials have accused Varela Project organizers of being on the U.S. government payroll -- something the activists deny. Authorities also have described what they say are legal and technical problems with the referendum proposal, giving it little hope for success.

"If Castro is serious about his constitution, he would hold a referendum on reforms outlined in the Varela Project," said U.S. Rep. Jeff Flake, a member of the House International Relations Committee and of the newly formed House Cuba Working Group, which favors easing sanctions against the island.

Flake, who spoke in Washington, is chief Republican co-sponsor of a House resolution that praises Cubans who signed the Varela Project. The Senate unanimously passed the resolution Monday.

Paya said Varela Project organizers welcomed the Senate resolution, calling it "a demonstration of respect for the self-determination of the Cuban people."

Guest
15th June 2002, 12:30
Executive Order 12333--United States intelligence activities

Source: The provisions of Executive Order 12333 of Dec. 4, 1981, appear at 46 FR 59941, 3 CFR, 1981 Comp., p. 200, unless otherwise noted.

2.11Prohibition on Assassination. No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination.

This is a federal regulation which should be repealed. When and if it is removed from the provisions of U.S. intelligence activities, Castro should be the first to go, followed by Sodam. Top al Qaeda leadership should also be exterminated.

FaDeThEBuTcHeR
15th June 2002, 12:48
Can you post some pictures of the lavish beach resorts and shopping malls in Cuba for European tourists then post some pictures of the housing the Cuban people enjoy? Thank You!

Guest
15th June 2002, 13:10
That would demostrate what a great leader Castro is. Nice one, Butcher.

RedCeltic
15th June 2002, 15:34
Can you post photos of expensive homes in the Hamptons and than those that the poor enjoy in Harlem? Or those in Beverly Hills and than those that the poor enjoy in East LA? Thank you.

Guest
15th June 2002, 15:41
The difference is that the U.S. government does not prevent poor people from ever acquiring such luxury. Anyone who can afford a nice home can. Castro only awards luxuries to political favorites.

FaDeThEBuTcHeR
15th June 2002, 16:09
Great retort Guest, you should register. Take a good look at the photos above in this thread, where the average Cuban lives, then go to this link and check out Castro's lavish resorts and golf courses for European and Canadian tourists (capitalists)! Welcome to Socialism!

http://www.a-ztravel.com/a-ztours/cuba.htm

http://www.a-ztravel.com/a-ztours/cuba.htm

Guest
15th June 2002, 16:17
Not really interested in registering, but I have noticed that some guests have started threads. How can I be able to start new threads, short of registration?

FaDeThEBuTcHeR
15th June 2002, 16:40
I dont blame you. I expect to be banned from here in like T minus a few hours.

Guest
15th June 2002, 16:46
They probably won't. I have seen a lot of ignorant people on these posts, but none of them have ever been ousted.

ID2002
15th June 2002, 16:52
AWESOME! great pictures...I hope to return to CUBA soon!
....I too think Castro is a good guy. His is misunderstood in the US. We have a better picture of him in Canada.

Capitalist Fighter
19th June 2002, 14:09
There are even shops in Cuba that average Cuban citizens are not allowed to shop in. Instead they are reserved for the elite of the island. I'm talking large malls with consumer goods not available to the average person. Cuban people do not enjoy the beaches or resorts that Castro has built. They are made for tourists with fat pockets whilst Cuban citizens have to ration food.

Capitalist Imperial
19th June 2002, 17:06
Quote: from RedCeltic on 3:34 pm on June 15, 2002
Can you post photos of expensive homes in the Hamptons and than those that the poor enjoy in Harlem? Or those in Beverly Hills and than those that the poor enjoy in East LA? Thank you.


Big difference, RED CELTIC, those people in harlem or east LA have an opportunity to get out of their situation, cuban citizens have no such opportunity. Also, those people in the hamptons are US citizens, the well-to-do in cuba are merely european tourists, your analogy is poor.

Hayduke
19th June 2002, 19:21
CI,

While we are talking about opportunity then could
you please tell me why the united states places
an embargo on Cuba and doesnt give it a opportunity to
develop to a wealthy nation.

Can't you accept a new way to gain wealth.
A nation that doesnt lives on greed ?
Were people will always have a change to live their lives ?
Freedom is living my friend. Freedom aint losing everything
if you take the wrong step in your country.

Think fo it and this time do it before you write.

Capitalist Imperial
19th June 2002, 19:30
Quote: from D DAY on 7:21 pm on June 19, 2002
CI,

While we are talking about opportunity then could
you please tell me why the united states places
an embargo on Cuba and doesnt give it a opportunity to
develop to a wealthy nation.

Can't you accept a new way to gain wealth.
A nation that doesnt lives on greed ?
Were people will always have a change to live their lives ?
Freedom is living my friend. Freedom aint losing everything
if you take the wrong step in your country.

Think fo it and this time do it before you write.



A nation that doesn't live on greed? Then why are the fancy resorts and beaches reserved for only rich tourists, and the cuban people can't even go there. The poor cuban citizenry can't even go into certain stores, again, only cuban elite and rich tourists can. Why does castro and his elite henchmen get the cream of resourses 1st, and the people get to have the meager remainder?

You call that buiding wealth?
You call that opportunity?
You call that freedom?
You call that equality?

RGacky3
19th June 2002, 22:45
perhaps they hav resorts for turists, so what, its an industry. As for castro an his high people, I don't know where you get the idea that they shit gold, they are all paid less than the president, and not much more than the average cuban. I don't care if he is a little richer than the average cuban, he raised up the country and made it a successfull communistic state.