President Mugabe: land must remain with indigenous people

[Sky]

Comrade Mugabe is an inspiration to all people seeking independence, freedom, and self-determination. Mugabe has stood strong and has persistently defended the interests of the people of Zimbabwe. He is a genuine international statesan, a true pan-Africanist, and a dedicated anti-imperialist who stands strong against the predatory forces of western imperialism in Africa. Mugabe is still a darling and remains the only outstanding African liberation fighter. Zimbabweans should develop a spirit of brotherhood in order to fight the predatory forces of western imperialism.

Zimbabwe represents the last frontier of resistance between the black nationalist struggle and Western neo-colonial encroachment under the guise of globalisation and the parochial discourse of democratization The people of Zimbabwe cannot allow the stooge Tsvingirai return Zimbabwe to the tentacles of the colonial oppressors.



http://allafrica.com/stories/200804070031.html
PRESIDENT Mugabe says land must remain in the hands of indigenous people and urged Zimbabweans to safeguard it from the former colonisers.

His call comes in the wake of reports that some white former commercial farmers were trooping back onto farms they once owned threatening to evict black beneficiaries.

President Mugabe made the plea at Nharira in Chikomba District, Mashonaland East Province, at the burial of the First Lady’s uncle Mr Junius Takaruza Marufu yesterday.

The late Mr Marufu was a brother to Amai Mugabe’s father.

He died in his sleep on Friday morning aged 94.

Mr Marufu is survived by his wife, Mrs Taidaro Marufu, six children and several grandchildren.

Addressing mourners, Cde Mugabe urged Zimbabweans to safeguard the land, saying thousands of freedom fighters perished while others sustained permanent injuries during the liberation war fighting for the return of the land from Rhodesians.

President Mugabe described Mr Marufu as a great teacher and peacemaker and pledged to pursue his principles.

Chief Enos Musarurwa, who expressed grief at the death of Mr Marufu, described land as a national heritage and urged President Mugabe not to backtrack on the land reform programme.

He hailed Cde Mugabe for being a responsible son-in-law, saying this was evidenced by his presence at the burial of Mr Marufu.

Cde Mike Bimha, a relative, described Mr Marufu’s death as a great loss to the Bimha, Muto and Marufu families.

President Mugabe’s plea comes amid reports that some white former commercial farmers were trooping back onto their previous farms where they are allegedly threatening new black owners with eviction.

Such cases were reported in Mashonaland West Province where scores of white farmers visited Paarl, Impofu and Bougainvillea farms.

There were also reports last week that some white former commercial farmers had threatened to evict beneficiaries of the agrarian reform in Mkwasine, Hippo Valley and Triangle in Chiredzi.

Our Masvingo Bureau reports that war veterans in the province have warned white farmers in the province against engaging in any attempts to repossess redistributed land as they risked facing unspecified consequences.

Provincial war veterans’ chairman Cde Isaiah Muzenda yesterday said they would take strong action against unrepentant white farmers who were preparing to repossess their previous properties in anticipation of an MDC victory in the presidential poll.

Cde Muzenda said war vets would strongly resist such moves by the white farmers and their agents.

"We have knowledge that some white former farmers in the province are plotting to repossess land in anticipation of an MDC victory in the presidential election, but we want to tell them that the results are not yet out.

"We are also warning them of strong action if they continue to tread on that dangerous path. As war vets, we are prepared to act in defence of our land. We will take very strong action, which I will not reveal, against such actions from the unrepentant white former farmers," said Cde Muzenda.

He said that war vets and other patriotic Zimbabweans in Masvingo had since moved in to seal off certain farms in the province to resist any sinister motives by the remaining white farmers in the province.

Cde Muzenda urged other war vets throughout the country to be vigilant and prepare to guard the gains of independence if the need arises.

"We know of some places where our enemies (white ex-farmers) are but we will not mention the places, but we know where they are and what they are doing," he said.

Cde Muzenda said just like prior to the 2000 farm occupa-

tions, Masvingo war vets were again leading the way in the ongoing battle against British imperialism with the covert objective of recolonising Zimbabwe.

There have been widespread reports of white former farmers flocking back into the country, especially the Lowveld part of Masvingo, in preparation to repossessing the land they lost during the land reform programme in the event of an MDC victory.

This has caused apprehension among some newly resettled sugarcane farmers who benefited under the land reform programme.

Some of the sugarcane farmers who spoke to The Herald expressed concern over incidents involving white ex-farmers in Mkwasine, Hippo Valley and Triangle who were threatening to return to their previous plots in the hope that the opposition MDC was going to get into power.

The newly resettled farmers said the white former sugarcane farmers were allegedly camped at Malilangwe Conservancy in Chiredzi where they have been staying since last week.

Zimbabwe Sugar Milling Industry Workers’ Union secretary-general Cde Admore Hwarare warned white farmers against any attempts to repossess the land in Chiredzi, saying such moves would be strongly resisted.

"Let no one fool him/herself that he will or she can repossess land in Chiredzi because we are going to resist that. The Government allocated the land to us and we have got security forces that are prepared to defend the right to our land," he said.

There were also reports of various acts of sabotage against newly resettled farmers by white commercial farmers who were opposed to the agrarian reforms
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[Joby]

Comrade Mugabe is an inspiration to all people seeking independence, freedom, and self-determination. Mugabe has stood strong and has persistently defended the interests of the people of Zimbabwe. He is a genuine international statesan, a true pan-Africanist, and a dedicated anti-imperialist who stands strong against the predatory forces of western imperialism in Africa. Mugabe is still a darling and remains the only outstanding African liberation fighter. Zimbabweans should develop a spirit of brotherhood in order to fight the predatory forces of western imperialism.



Funny that Zimbabweans have pretty much Thrown His Stalinist Ass Out then, eh?

Being a complete and utter scumbag, enemy of freedom, supporter of totalitarian government and all-around douchebag, I highly doubt he'll leave peacefully.

[Sky]

Funny that Zimbabweans have pretty much Thrown His Stalinist Ass Out then, eh?
The fact is that the MDC do not quite have the unequivocal support of the people. Although they won more seats than Zanu-PF, they still do not have a majority in the legislature.

[Bud Struggle]

A "Comrad" and the third richest man in the world. Great job if you can get it.

http://www.citizen.co.za/index/article.aspx?pDesc=61988,1,22

[spartan]

The land taken off the whites hasnt been given to indigenous people but to Mugabe's own cronies who dont even know how to work the land (Hence why Zimbabwe is no longer the bread basket of Africa and its people are starving).

The very least Mugabe could have done is to give the land to people who actually know how to farm it as that wouldnt have created the farming crises that Zimbabwe is currently suffering from.

[Jazzratt]

"Comrade" Mugabe can suck my nuts. The sad thing is that people like Sky who have never been near Zimbabwe are excitedly lapping up every piece of his rhetoric and greedily gobbling down Zanu-PF propaganda.

[spartan]

"Comrade" Mugabe can suck my nuts.
The trouble though is that "comrade" Mugabe would never suck your nuts as he is a raging homophobe who said that homosexuality:

"degrades human dignity. It's unnatural and there is no question ever of allowing these people to behave worse than dogs and pigs. If dogs and pigs do not do it, why must human beings? We have our own culture, and we must re-dedicate ourselves to our traditional values that make us human beings... What we are being persuaded to accept is sub-animal behaviour and we will never allow it here. If you see people parading themselves as lesbians and gays, arrest them and hand them over to the police!"
Just another thing to add to Mugabe's ever growing un-leftist beliefs list but i am sure that people like Sky will continue to support this shitbag because he is a "strong man" leader who likes causing physical pain to millions of his own people.

[Sentinel]

"degrades human dignity. It's unnatural and there is no question ever of allowing these people to behave worse than dogs and pigs. If dogs and pigs do not do it, why must human beings? We have our own culture, and we must re-dedicate ourselves to our traditional values that make us human beings... What we are being persuaded to accept is sub-animal behaviour and we will never allow it here. If you see people parading themselves as lesbians and gays, arrest them and hand them over to the police!"Yeah, Mugabe certainly is no comrade of mine, and I think the feeling would be mutual. :( Moreover, Mr. Mugabe is a blithering idiot who rejects scientific analysis -- dogs and pigs do do it, which is a commonly recognised, proven fact:

List of mammals displaying homosexual behavior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior)

Mugabe, an inspiration for all? Yeah right.. :rolleyes:

Frankly put he can go and fuck himself.

[OrientalHado]

The land taken off the whites hasnt been given to indigenous people but to Mugabe's own cronies who dont even know how to work the land (Hence why Zimbabwe is no longer the bread basket of Africa and its people are starving).

The very least Mugabe could have done is to give the land to people who actually know how to farm it as that wouldnt have created the farming crises that Zimbabwe is currently suffering from.

Mugabe has his problems which have been discussed in earlier threads. However I find this offensive. "Land Taken off the whites.."
They did not own the land in the first place. So it was not ‘taken off the whites’, but removing the illegal occupation of farmland by settlers.

The farming crisis was mainly created by many factors.
1. The promised compensation to the government of Zimbabwe was never given by the British government.
2. The sanctions imposed by the west, and led by colonial powers Britain and the U.S.
3. The increasing drought due to environmental problems.
4. The loss of trading partners= shorter access to modern technology, fertiliser etc.
5. I.M.F and foreign companies holding the country to ransom.

While some problems can be attributed to corruption, it is these five factors that have crippled the economy. While Mugabe is no Marxist, he must be credited for the improvements in literacy rates and representation/inclusion of women within society, which still are better when compared with the rest of the continent.

[spartan]

Mugabe has his problems which have been discussed in earlier threads. However I find this offensive. "Land Taken off the whites.."
They did not own the land in the first place. So it was not ‘taken off the whites’, but removing the illegal occupation of farmland by settlers.

I agree that they shouldnt own the land, what i meant by "taken off the whites" was literally that it was taken off of them (Them not being the rightful owners), not that the whites were the rightful owners and their "property" (Which they stole off the natives) was being stolen.


While some problems can be attributed to corruption, it is these five factors that have crippled the economy. While Mugabe is no Marxist, he must be credited for the improvements in literacy rates and representation/inclusion of women within society, which still are better when compared with the rest of the continent.

So we should just forget about his blatant homophobia, suppression of opposition politics and he and his cronies living a life of luxury whilst his people starve then?

[Sky]

Hence why Zimbabwe is no longer the bread basket of Africa and its people are starvingThat is false. The present economic situation in Zimbabwe is attributable to the policies of the IMF and the World Bank. Zimbabwe moved more and more into debt with the Western banks. In the late 1990s, Zimbabwe owed billions of dollars in foreign debt. As a result, the economy collapsed.

The situation is not a uniquely Zimbabwean phenomenon. Many other African countries have endured economic collapse because of deep debt and falling commodity prices. Land reform in Zim was a response to the economic crisis rather than a cause of it.




So we should just forget about his blatant homophobia

Homophobia is more of a cultural phenomenon rather than part of some kind of ideology. It would be more constructive to take an anthropological approach as to the roots and causes of homophobia rather than smearing a great liberation fighter who happens to have a personal distaste for homosexuality.

[Phalanx]

That is false. The present economic situation in Zimbabwe is attributable to the policies of the IMF and the World Bank. Zimbabwe moved more and more into debt with the Western banks. In the late 1990s, Zimbabwe owed billions of dollars in foreign debt. As a result, the economy collapsed.

The situation is not a uniquely Zimbabwean phenomenon. Many other African countries have endured economic collapse because of deep debt and falling commodity prices. Land reform in Zim was a response to the economic crisis rather than a cause of it.

Mugabe drove his country into the ground. In fact, I don't think the world played an active role enough, they should've stopped the bastard when the country really started going down the shitter.

[Os Cangaceiros]

"Comrade Mugabe"? What are you smoking?

Calling Zimbabwe a catastrophe at this point would be generous! A man who has mansions built while his people starve is no "comrade" of mine, nor is any man who gives his paramilitary thugs and police forces a "free hand" to torture political opponents.

[RHIZOMES]

"Comrade Mugabe".

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Herman]

He's a complete dick.

[RedStarOverChina]

He was a hero to the Zimbabwean people for helping to liberate Zimbabwe from apartheid rule. But his records as Zimbabwe's president is less impressive.

And since the BBC attacks him viciously on a daily basis, I think he might just turn out to be a great guy!

[Unicorn]

Mugabe is a revisionist idiot. He has betrayed Marxism he once claimed to support.

"Mugabe: A "Practical" Marxist"

"I think I am a practicing one, but also a practical one. We do not want to see a society divided into classes; we want to build an egalitarian society. [But] we recognize that there has been a capitalist system in this country that has established a viable infrastructure. We recognize that to overthrow that system would be to create no base at all but to create chaos. Therefore, we cannot go around nationalizing the multinationals. We do not believe in the forcible seizure of property."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,949036,00.html

[Sky]

It's really depressing to see so-called communists (anarcho-Trots) spend more time regurgitating the rubbish they read on the bourgeois media rather than coming to the defense of the people of Zimbabwe in their struggle for independence and self-determination. Omitting any reference to the policies of the IMF and the World Bank and the hostile policy of certain imperialist powers, the bourgeoisie and their agents among the Left dishonestly attribute the economic catastrophe in Zimbabwe solely to President Mugabe.

[Bud Struggle]

It's really depressing to see so-called communists (anarcho-Trots) spend more time regurgitating the rubbish they read on the bourgeois media rather than coming to the defense of the people of Zimbabwe in their struggle for independence and self-determination. Omitting any reference to the policies of the IMF and the World Bank and the hostile policy of certain imperialist powers, the bourgeoisie and their agents among the Left dishonestly attribute the economic catastrophe in Zimbabwe solely to President Mugabe.

Yea guys, you're not blindly following the Communist line! :hammersickle:

What kind of Comrades are you, trying to think for yourselves. :lol:

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

It's really depressing to see so-called communists (anarcho-Trots)

Last time I checked Trots and a lot of anarchists were communists. I dont see how not supporting a homophobic money hoarding corrupt **** who presents a false image of Marxism and thereforth allows the capis to spew out anti left propaganda

[Jazzratt]

It's really depressing to see so-called communists (anarcho-Trots)

Anarcho-trots? Did they shoot themselves at Kronstadt or somrething?


spend more time regurgitating the rubbish they read on the bourgeois media rather than coming to the defense of the people of Zimbabwe in their struggle for independence and self-determination.

No one is regurgitating anything. You might believe that the only way to argue is by spewing one pary line or another but those of us interested in objectivity will listen to the facts (and of course the "words from the horses mouth" viz Mugabe on homosexuals) and realise that whatever Zimbabwe has become under Mugabe it isn't a socialist state.


Omitting any reference to the policies of the IMF and the World Bank and the hostile policy of certain imperialist powers, the bourgeoisie and their agents among the Left dishonestly attribute the economic catastrophe in Zimbabwe solely to President Mugabe.

No one is doing that, but the bumbling of the Zanu-PF high ups, coupled with the dear Mr.Mugabe's, perhaps, not entirely transparent dealings certainly have not helped Zimbabwe's situation.

[Bud Struggle]

Well the other question here--and I think it goes to the heart of the realpolitik of Communism--why is it so important that Communists would feel a country like Zimbabwe should hold onto this guy forever. For that matter why should Castro (or his brother) be the "leader" forever? Why shoud Tito or Hoxha or Honecker or Mao be the leaders of their countries till they die?

I see in the "real world" at least a SERIOUS cult of personality in almost every Communist country. In Social Democracies like America or Britain leaders change--but the governments remain stable and in working order--and obvuously there are Long therm dictators in some of the smaller "Social Democracies" and maybe to be fair, this is who Mugabe should be compared to, but on the whole Commie leaders do tend to die of old age in office.

[Dimentio]

Comrade Mugabe is an inspiration to all people seeking independence, freedom, and self-determination. Mugabe has stood strong and has persistently defended the interests of the people of Zimbabwe. He is a genuine international statesan, a true pan-Africanist, and a dedicated anti-imperialist who stands strong against the predatory forces of western imperialism in Africa. Mugabe is still a darling and remains the only outstanding African liberation fighter. Zimbabweans should develop a spirit of brotherhood in order to fight the predatory forces of western imperialism.

Zimbabwe represents the last frontier of resistance between the black nationalist struggle and Western neo-colonial encroachment under the guise of globalisation and the parochial discourse of democratization The people of Zimbabwe cannot allow the stooge Tsvingirai return Zimbabwe to the tentacles of the colonial oppressors.

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I am trying to make an argument, but I stand baffled.

It is clear that the previous distribution of land was unfair, but it remains true that Mugabe has not done the redistribution in the interests of the majority, but of a small clique of party veterans and supporters, who have squandered the productive capacity of the land.

Mugabe is a traditional, isolated, corrupt ruler. He has brought Zimbabwe to a situation where even a neo-liberal steel bath is preferable to the chaos we are experiencing today.

[Dimentio]

Well the other question here--and I think it goes to the heart of the realpolitik of Communism--why is it so important that Communists would feel a country like Zimbabwe should hold onto this guy forever. For that matter why should Castro (or his brother) be the "leader" forever? Why shoud Tito or Hoxha or Honecker or Mao be the leaders of their countries till they die?

I see in the "real world" at least a SERIOUS cult of personality in almost every Communist country. In Social Democracies like America or Britain leaders change--but the governments remain stable and in working order--and obvuously there are Long therm dictators in some of the smaller "Social Democracies" and maybe to be fair, this is who Mugabe should be compared to, but on the whole Commie leaders do tend to die of old age in office.

Communists (or rather marxist-leninists) tend to throw out everything that is good with bourgeoisie republics together with everything that is bad (without creating a real worker's democracy).

What is good with a bourgeoisie republic?

Well, constitutionalism, clear mandate periods, independent judicial systems and such structures. I cannot understand why communism when enacted should discard such reforms which have offered predictability, checks and balances, stability and some form of division of power for a vanguard dictatorship.

[Sky]

He has brought Zimbabwe to a situation where even a neo-liberal steel bath is preferable to the chaos we are experiencing today.
Every economist agrees that the economy of Zimbabwe performed very well during the 1980s. The economy of Zimbabwe as well as that of many other African countries endured catastrophe solely because of the structural adjustment policies of the IMF and the World Bank. To blame Mugabe for the present situation in Zimbabwe is tantamount to absolving the imperialists and their organizations such as the IMF from any guilt.

[Wanted Man]

What did the IMF and World Bank do, concretely? I don't know much about the situation, just curious.

[Green Dragon]

Just another thing to add to Mugabe's ever growing un-leftist beliefs list but i am sure that people like Sky will continue to support this shitbag because he is a "strong man" leader who likes causing physical pain to millions of his own people.
[/QUOTE]

What is his "growing un-leftist belief?"

It would seem he is encouraging the workers to "expropriate the expropriaters."

[Green Dragon]

[quote=spartan;1119043]I agree that they shouldnt own the land, what i meant by "taken off the whites" was literally that it was taken off of them (Them not being the rightful owners), not that the whites were the rightful owners and their "property" (Which they stole off the natives) was being stolen.


So why shouldn't "whites" own the land?
What sort of argument can be presented to justify this racism?

[spartan]

So why shouldn't "whites" own the land?
What sort of argument can be presented to justify this racism?

Racism?

You should ask the former white minority Apartheid regime in the former Rhodesia about racism pal.

Anyway they shouldnt own it because they stole it as part of Britains Colonialism in Africa, and it was also an integral aspect to the racist white minority control over the former Rhodesia (Which carried over into black majority Zimbabwe as a sort of "white privilege" even though they werent the ones in power anymore).

Now i dont agree with how that idiot Mugabe has handled the farm reclaiming campaign, but the thinking behind the reclaiming of the land (No matter how badly handled) was essentially right (Reclaiming stolen land that was integral to the former racist "white privilege" of white Rhodesians).

The trouble is that the reclaimed land was handed to incompetent cronies of Mugabe (Instead of to the people and only those of the people who actually know how to farm the land) who are now very much in the same privileged position that the whites used to occupy.

I could be wrong but i admittedly dont know to much about this area of things apart from what i have picked up from other people.

[Green Dragon]

Anyway they shouldnt own it because they stole it as part of Britains Colonialism in Africa, and it was also an integral aspect to the racist white minority control over the former Rhodesia (Which carried over into black majority Zimbabwe as a sort of "white privilege" even though they werent the ones in power anymore).

Now i dont agree with how that idiot Mugabe has handled the farm reclaiming campaign, but the thinking behind the reclaiming of the land (No matter how badly handled) was essentially right (Reclaiming stolen land that was integral to the former racist "white privilege" of white Rhodesians).

The trouble is that the reclaimed land was handed to incompetent cronies of Mugabe (Instead of to the people and only those of the people who actually know how to farm the land) who are now very much in the same privileged position that the whites used to occupy.

I could be wrong but i admittedly dont know to much about this area of things apart from what i have picked up from other people.
[/QUOTE]

I see. Your objection isn't to the seizing of the land. It isn't even to the way it was done. It is to whom the land was turned over.
Failure must be what is "unleft" about Mugabe (which is yet another example of the Left saying their failures are not failures of theory, but of application).

As you describe youerself as a "Honechierist" I can only surmise you are from Germany or points nearby.
Would you agree with the National Socialists of the 20s and 30s, who seized Jewish property on the grounds that the seized property had been in turn illegitimately seized by non-Germans,from the German people? Or would the objection be that the property was wrongly turned over to the cronies of the nazis?

There have been "white" Zimbabwans for centuries, and almost certainly many can claim longer historical residency than "black" Zimbabweans (many of whom moved to these "white" areas of prosperity after the fact).

[RHIZOMES]

Mugabe is a revisionist idiot. He has betrayed Marxism he once claimed to support.

"Mugabe: A "Practical" Marxist"

"I think I am a practicing one, but also a practical one. We do not want to see a society divided into classes; we want to build an egalitarian society. [But] we recognize that there has been a capitalist system in this country that has established a viable infrastructure. We recognize that to overthrow that system would be to create no base at all but to create chaos. Therefore, we cannot go around nationalizing the multinationals. We do not believe in the forcible seizure of property."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,949036,00.html

Agreed. If being a homophobic racist Catholic money-hoarding **** is "a practical Marxist", I DON'T WANT TO FUCKING BE ONE.

[Ismail]

Even though I don't consider Mugabe a socialist, I will state two things:

1. He is a homophobe, yes, but you need to remember that the toleration of homosexuals isn't exactly common in Africa. In fact, Mauritania (which used to declare itself a socialist state under Daddah) has the death penalty for them. Focus should be placed on achieving socialism which, if it's legit, will come with large social reforms such as womens rights and so on, and a positive outlook on homosexuality will be a natural occurrence at a later date so long as the nation remains stable and doesn't descend into a theocracy.

2. I don't see how he's a racist. Expropriating land that is considered to only exist in the hands of someone as a result of colonialism is not at all racist, considering that most of the former owners probably consider said receivers to be 'rebellious' against whatever nation colonized them (UK, France, etc) and that the program doesn't say anything about whites being lower than blacks in whatever.

[Coggeh]

Anarcho-trots? Did they shoot themselves at Kronstadt or somrething?
Hahahahahahahaha:lol:....:thumbup:

[Killfacer]

you know when Unicorn agrees with the majority of a people on a subject, that you are wrong. Clearly mugabe is a scum bag who is a violent dictator.

[nuisance]

He is a homophobe, yes, but you need to remember that the toleration of homosexuals isn't exactly common in Africa.
That still justifies shit all.

[Bud Struggle]

That still justifies shit all.

What exactly does "shit all" mean? :lol:

[nuisance]

What exactly does "shit all" mean? :lol:
It's english colloquialism, it means 'nothing'.

[Bud Struggle]

It's english colloquialism, it means 'nothing'.

So are you "for" Mugabe?

[nuisance]

So are you "for" Mugabe?
No.

[Bud Struggle]

No.

You never know what plots and plans you Commies are up to. :lol:

[Matty_UK]

Failure must be what is "unleft" about Mugabe (which is yet another example of the Left saying their failures are not failures of theory, but of application).

Marxists don't say that, marxists say failures to achieve communism are down to material conditions, not a bad plan.