Jose Pedilla - let him free

[STALINSOLDIERS]

some hispanic al-queda got jailed for saving islam from capitalist destruction.....i salute him hes from miami and got caputred for trying to build a dirty-bomb i want other to follow him trying to destory usa....i say they let him free, i say to fuck this country up killing all americans..99% of americans are racist they dont like islam or communism they should all die to stop pollution and make some space for other better people.

[Xvall]

Once again..
You're becoming a model for Fundamentalism..
If you kill 99% of America, that would not only include many of us 'comrades', but also kill off the proletariot, makeing revolution impossible. Why would you side with some nut like him?

[Capitalist Imperial]

StalinSoldiers is just an idiot. He knows nothing of what most americans thinks about race or religion. He probalbly lives in a nation dependent on the US, anyway (if not the US itself). His posts are continuously full of bad english, stupid ideas, and void of any real subject matter besides "kill all americans". Good luck, SS, we are much better with firearms than most of the world's citizens.

[Xvall]

Yes, SS is becoming less appealing to everyone. And there aren't to many 'citizens' in the world who are better with firearms except for militiants.

[Moskitto]

eh, firearms suck. I'd much rather have a Katana. Unlike the 2,000 or so other swords which are either razor sharp and brittle or very hard and blunt. The Katana is both very hard and razor sharp.

Then with a katana you don't have to worry about seeing the difference between a tree and a person because you just sneak up on them and, they have no head left.

Just remember if you're in a sword museum and you're having a fight with a nazi who picks up the "excaliber" sword, pick up the katana and slash his sword with it, his sword will shatter.

The only 2 decent weapons the British invented were the Harrier Jump Jet and the Yew Tree Longbow, Armour-Piecing weaponarry in the 14th century, nice.

[Xvall]

You have similar prefrences as I. Indeed, the Katana is an extremely versatile weapon, and the Yew Longbow is an example of fine craftsmanship as well.

[Capitalist Imperial]

just like commies to bring swords to gun battles.

There are many US citizens that are good with firearms through hunting and trap shooting and going to the firing range

Please don't even try to argue that a sword is more effective than a firearm. Possibly more romantic, graceful, chivalrous, beautiful... but absolutely no utility against a firearm in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.

By the way, the AV-8 harrier sucks. It cant even take of vertically if fully loaded, all it is good for is for versatile landing in any open space. In flight, it is very, very slow as jets go, and not very manueverable. It maintains absoluely 0 air superiority. It is good as a 1st strike attack plane, granted there are no real fighters around or even a decent SAM.

[SU37]

SS is a retrat,Why in the fuck would you want people to make dirty bombs.You would be killing yourself and many of the comrades on this borad.Also the British have made many weapons like the Depth charge which is still used today...but is modifed.

(Edited by SU37 at 7:14 pm on June 12, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

the british also have a very good tank with very good armor

[Xvall]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 12:06 am on June 13, 2002
just like commies to bring swords to gun battles.

There are many US citizens that are good with firearms through hunting and trap shooting and going to the firing range

Please don't even try to argue that a sword is more effective than a firearm. Possibly more romantic, graceful, chivalrous, beautiful... but absolutely no utility against a firearm in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.

By the way, the AV-8 harrier sucks. It cant even take of vertically if fully loaded, all it is good for is for versatile landing in any open space. In flight, it is very, very slow as jets go, and not very manueverable. It maintains absoluely 0 air superiority. It is good as a 1st strike attack plane, granted there are no real fighters around or even a decent SAM.


Heh, we're not that dumb! We wouldn't bring a sword to a gun battle (Would we?) because we would likely be shot. Indeed, people may go to ranges occasionally, but their skill is no where near that of an actual soldier trained in firearms.

[Capitalist Imperial]

oh, of course, i agree, but your avewrage american citizen will tend to have more experience with a firearm than most other 1st world citizens

[Xvall]

Probably.. America seems to have a lot more guns..

[PunkRawker677]

"Yew Tree Longbow, Armour-Piecing weaponarry in the 14th century"
Amazing peice of weaponry. It lasted as the strongest ranged weapon even well into the invention of rifles and low powered fire arms. Once again, Amazing!

"America seems to have a lot more guns.."
They also seem to kill each other and themselves alot more with these guns.. thousands of teenagers die a year JUST from self-inflicted gun wounds..

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 9:30 pm on June 12, 2002
some hispanic al-queda got jailed for saving islam from capitalist destruction.....i salute him hes from miami and got caputred for trying to build a dirty-bomb i want other to follow him trying to destory usa....i say they let him free, i say to fuck this country up killing all americans..99% of americans are racist they dont like islam or communism they should all die to stop pollution and make some space for other better people.

*Sigh*

I already explained to you this in private. Since you still don't understand I will just have to repeat myself...

Al-Qaeda is the corporation that Osama bin Laden, one of the most powerfull capitalists, owns. Osama is a billionaire, and a bourgeois businessman. Him and the "Islamic Jihad" are not in favor of the destruction of American capitalism. They are SUPPORTERS of capitalism. They only want to destroy America so that they can be more powerful cappies themselves.

Al-Qaeda is not in favor of communism. In fact, they probably oppose communism more than any hardline rightwing American. Supporting Al-Qaeda to destroy capitalism is like supporting Microsoft to destroy capitalism. If Osama is your comrade, you might as well take Capitalist Imperial as your comrade.

(Edited by Michael De Panama at 3:24 am on June 13, 2002)

[Xvall]

Thanks Micheal.. I don't know how many times we have to reiterate this.. Osoma is a SEXIST, FUNDAMENTALIST, CAPITALIST..

[Guest]

OSAMA IS NOT A LEGITIMATE CAPITALIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest]

Oh, that was me, CI

[Guest]

Jose Pedilla should have a hearing where a judge can evaluate the governments case. If the evidence is conclusive enough to affirm that the man is a direct threat, then he should be taken to Getmo. If Jose falls into the illegal combatant category, they should torture him for sensitive information. Once they are confident that they have all the information he has to offer, they should put a bullet in his head. Personally, I think that they should capture and kill these Al Quida militants quietly. These things are likely occurring right now that the general public would find disgusting, if they knew. Who ever started this thread might want to rethink his stance on terrorism. Advocating terrorism is an unpopular view right now. If they wanted to trump up charges against you for political reasons, it would be very easy to convince a jury with your own words.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 12:53 am on June 13, 2002
your avewrage american citizen will tend to have more experience with a firearm than most other 1st world citizens

Yeah, a lot of American skoolkids are shot at by their fellow pupils aren't they?? What is it about rednecks are failing to realise the connection between loose gun laws and the astonishingly high rate of skool shoot-ups??

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 4:17 pm on June 13, 2002

Yeah, a lot of American skoolkids are shot at by their fellow pupils aren't they?? What is it about rednecks are failing to realise the connection between loose gun laws and the astonishingly high rate of skool shoot-ups??

Actually, its not a lot, it is a few isolated incidents that were blown out of proportion by the Americn media. As we saw recently in germany, it can happen anywhere. And it has nothing to do with our right to bear arms, that right has been in the US constitution ever since our country was founded (over 200 years). School shootings have only occurred in the last 7-10 years. It is a problem of the parents and discipline. Our gun laws have stayed relatively the same for 200 years, why haven't here been 200 years of school shootings? Because its not a problem with the law, its a problem with the individuals.

[Dan Majerle]

I'd have to agree with you there CI however i do not agree with ones right to bear a firearm, regardless of the era it's simply to dangerous and unnecessary. I'd prefer to have no school shootings at all then just a few isolated incidents in the last 10 years.

[Guest]

What do you suggest is more dangerous, a few sparatic murders or accidents by a small number of citizens, or the mass graves typical of a government that disarms its citizens? Do you suppose that the police and military would relinquish their arms as well. If you don't like guns, don't own one. That is your only choice as a U.S. citizens. Short of ammending the constitution the government can't take away this fundamental right of the citizens. It doesn't matter how many millions of bleeding heart moms are standing on the capital steps, a constitutional convention or martial law is needed in order to bypass this law. If either situation occured, I still don't anticipate too many gun owners handing over their weapons. Consider the right to keep and bare arms the failsafe, the finals check to balance the system when it gets too top heavy. The 2nd amendment is not a tool devised for hunters, like Al Gore would have you believe. It is a tool to pervent tyranny.

[Moskitto]

The second amendment doesn't gaurantee individuals the right to own guns. It gaurantees individuals the right to own guns as part of a well organized militia that probably would be capable of overthrowing the government if needed, unlike hundreds of people running around uncoordinated with guns. However, such an organization does not exist.

[Moskitto]

Actually, the jump jet if the only non-stealth aircraft that can get rid of heat seeking missiles due to it's ability to stop in mid air, however since stealth aircraft have the worst aerodynamics due to the most aerodynamic shapes also being those with the highest radar signals.

Oh by the way, the Japanese avoided invasion for thousands of years because the Katana was so much better that firearms.

The longbow however does achieve some advantages over firearms in certain situations, such as making less noise in guerilla combat and being more camoflaged. However for those like me who wouldn't be able to see the difference between someone in camo gear and a tree and thus would fight in urban areas. A sniper rifle, or some good sturdy close combat weapons for ambushing people are nice.

Did you know that historians didn't know how much penetrating force the yew tree long bow had until they actually made a full size one. They knew it basically killed anyone it hit, but they didn't know that it easily got through any armour they had in that day, and many modern armours.

[Anonymous]

The best weapon is a mens brain! if you put a stupid man with a machine gun against a smart one unharmed the smarter would survive!

[Xvall]

CI, If Osoma is not a legitamite capitalist then you must also agree that Stalin and Pol Pot were not legitamite communists.. Until then, I shall agree that Osoma is a capitalist..

[STALINSOLDIERS]

i would kill many of the comrades here in the board, well some people yes like malte, and who ever voted to banned me from any post shall die...and i say every capitalist shall be slaughtered,hang shoot executed...in short words abolished from the world....and to the communist they shall be saved

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Dan Majerle on 5:18 pm on June 13, 2002
I'd have to agree with you there CI however i do not agree with ones right to bear a firearm, regardless of the era it's simply to dangerous and unnecessary. I'd prefer to have no school shootings at all then just a few isolated incidents in the last 10 years.


I respect your opinion, Dan, but I don't believe that making guns illegal will help reduce the criminal use of firearms. the vast majority of crimes committed with firearms are with firearms that are unregistered and illegally owned anyway. I think making firearmsillegal in the US will merely take them from the hands of responsible owners and leave only the criminals armed.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 10:40 pm on June 13, 2002
CI, If Osoma is not a legitamite capitalist then you must also agree that Stalin and Pol Pot were not legitamite communists.. Until then, I shall agree that Osoma is a capitalist..


hmmmm... ok,I'll think about that... I can agree with that, perhaps pol pot and stalin were more like pure tyrants than communists, but they shrouded their respective ideologies in communism, while osama rejects capitalism whole-heartedly, and I don't think his family made their money in a free market economy with legitimate competition

[Capitalist Imperial]

[quote]Quote: from Moskitto on 10:21 pm on June 13, 2002
Actually, the jump jet if the only non-stealth aircraft that can get rid of heat seeking missiles due to it's ability to stop in mid air, however since stealth aircraft have the worst aerodynamics due to the most aerodynamic shapes also being those with the highest radar signals.


I don't think a harrier could stop and hver fast enough for a heat seeker to miss. A heavy jet like the harrier would take a while to stop, and a nimble air to air missle would easily adjust trajectory and still strike the target

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 10:43 pm on June 13, 2002
i would kill many of the comrades here in the board, well some people yes like malte, and who ever voted to banned me from any post shall die...and i say every capitalist shall be slaughtered,hang shoot executed...in short words abolished from the world....and to the communist they shall be saved


SS, you would be taken out quickly

[Moskitto]

no, a harrier points the jet forwards in midair and spins on the spot before changing direction. Because the missile is allready commited towards a course it goes straight past the harrier, once it is past the harrier it is not longer a threat because heat seeking missiles don't turn round.

If American pilots don't know this then they really aren't very good. British pilots were doing this in the Faulklands war.

[Moskitto]

And Pol Pot was not a communist. He believed that the Khmers were the master race which sounds a bit like the ideology that some Austrian guy had. Master Race=No Equality=No Communism

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 11:43 pm on June 13, 2002
no, a harrier points the jet forwards in midair and spins on the spot before changing direction. Because the missile is allready commited towards a course it goes straight past the harrier, once it is past the harrier it is not longer a threat because heat seeking missiles don't turn round.

If American pilots don't know this then they really aren't very good. British pilots were doing this in the Faulklands war.


Hmmm. I didn't think of it that way, ok, that makes sense. But wait, hold on, if they spin on the spot and reverse direction, they would still have to immediately go from horizontal to vert to stay up, and going from horizontal to vert talkes several seconds, much longer than the plane could stay up on its own at a dead stop. I'll have to research this.

I'm pretty confident american pilots know about this, as they are the world's best.

[Moskitto]

no American pilots aren't the worlds best, they can't tell the difference between Iraqi and British tanks or Canadian troops and Al Qu'ida terrorits, or even Refugee columns and Nazis.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Yes, American pilots are by far the worlds best, with the best training and the most hours of training on average, and the world's flying community knows this, and the US actually has the lowest friendly fire % of any nation, so what are you talking about?

[Moskitto]

Iraqi and British tanks

US aircraft fired on stationarry British tanks confusing them with Iraqi tanks on at least 1 occasion during the golf war.

Canadian troops and Al Qu'ida terrorists

During the bombing campaign on Afghanistan, The US bombed a Canadian special forces division, confusing them with Al Qu'ida.

Refugee columns and Nazis

This is based on a actual story from a few of my dad's friends who fled Westwards to get away from the Soviets. Basically, American pilots would shoot at everything that moved and wasn't American. Even refugee columns. You see a US plane, you hide.

Also US pilots have a pretty bad record with regard to making unneccesary and reckless stunts, often costing lives. Such as the incident involving a US jet flying through cables holding a cable car on 3rd February 1998. If you're in a cable car and you see a USAF plane, get a rocket launcher and take it out, it's the only way you'll survive.

And do you actually know what the worlds flying community thinks of US pilots, or just what the US pilots want to think? US pilots are actually seen by the rest of the worlds flying community as being unproffesional ****s. Trust my, my Brother knows some people in the RAF.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I agree that friendly fire does happen, it happened in the gulf and afghanistan, but friendly fire is usually due to bad information from the ground. It does not really have to do with pilots skills. Also, the media likes to point out american mistakes and maginify them. In reality, the US has the lowest friendly fire % of any nation

[Moskitto]

ok, i say we get back to the topic of guns.

While the Americans point out that their guns will stop them getting invaded. I think the English are even tougher to invade.

The English are much more urbanized than the Americans. Also the English are nutballs who set fire to their own towns because they got knocked out of Euro 96.

My theory is that if England got invaded, the invading Army would soon find themselves swarmed with millions of extremely angry, nationalist yobos who wielding about every weapon known to the hooligan begin their destructive rampage through the towns and cities. This leaves millions dead and a famine killing millions more.

[Guest]

Good point. When the war on Afganistan started, I was discussing various stategies for defeating the Taliban with some friends. We decided the best bet was to 'airmail' radios blasting Britney Spears and The Back Street Boys, in conjuction with sending European soccer hulligans on the ground. A true NATO force to contend with.

[Moskitto]

the worst are us the Dutch and the Turks.

The Dutch actually organize their hooliganism

The Turks murder people

And we just destroy innocent windows and chairs