Whats beter osama or britney? - ??????

[Anonymous]

Hey Osama! Have a Coke and a Smile!
James Welborn, June 11, 2002

When I was a kid in the early 1960s, I used to see ads in magazines promoting the virtues of nuclear power. I didn’t know they were laying the groundwork for a new industry, but I did get the feeling that there was something vaguely sinister going on. Years later, I decided to go into advertising anyway.

Nevertheless, I was still somewhat amazed to read in the San Francisco Chronicle of the assignment given to students in the most recent One Club of New York creative contest. The One Club is the organization behind the "One Show" -- a highly-regarded awards competition in the advertising industry. (The top creative trophy for a TV spot is a Cannes Gold Lion. But when it comes to print ads, a One Show Gold Pencil has the most bragging rights.)

Here’s what they asked the students to attempt to communicate: "Sell America as a decent, benevolent country to foreign consumers." According to the Chronicle, "the challenge was to present the United States in a way that reminds people that we are a diverse, tolerant and generous country that has done a lot of positive things for the world."

"Even though we trained and equipped the paramilitary death squads that brutally murdered tens of thousands of citizens during the 1980s, we’re not so bad once you get to know us."

So now, imagine that you were one of these students trying to win the contest. It’s a good thing -- winning. It means you’d get some desperately needed recognition that just might lead to a job. In advertising, those are pretty hard to come by right now. So where do you begin?

How about something for El Salvador? "Even though we trained and equipped the paramilitary death squads that brutally murdered tens of thousands of citizens during the 1980s, we’re not so bad once you get to know us."

Or perhaps a campaign to help us out with the Palestinians? The photo could be of a simple handshake. The headline: "Even if it appears as though we do nothing but support Israel, it’s actually because we’re such big fans of an independent Palestinian state."

"So the CIA supported coup did help bring Pinochet into power. Have you heard the latest Britney Spears CD?"

Maybe Chile could use a little change of heart about us. Honesty would certainly be a refreshing change of pace. "OK, so the CIA supported coup did help bring Pinochet into power. And yes, he did murder a whole lot of innocents. But, hey, that was a long time ago. Have you heard the latest Britney Spears CD?"

Frankly, this idea of selling America abroad seems like something out of Orwell. Does the "Ministry of Information" ring a bell? Actually, it wasn’t all that long ago that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was trying to sell the idea of a new "war on terrorism" propaganda office. In fact, this is why the Office of Strategic Influence was created in November of 2001. According to the May 1st edition of The Quill, Rumsfeld noted that "a Pentagon campaign to influence global opinion would not include lies to the public, but might employ 'tactical' deception to confuse an enemy for battlefield advantage." The office was quietly closed on Feburary 26th.

To be fair, I should mention that a few students did write in and complain about the nature of the assignment. One from Colorado stated that "this competition should promote our understanding of other cultures, not promote the world’s understanding of America’s ethnocentric and arrogant viewpoints." Another letter hypothesized that "Such a campaign would likely have the opposite effect as intended and only reinforce our country’s image as myopic and arrogant." (I wonder if these two should consider alternative careers?)

Despite these misgivings, the 21 One Club judges gathered at a world-class resort on the island of Lanai -- better there than in Somalia I guess -- to pick this year’s winners. First place in the student category went to Lindsay Shea and John Neerland for their "Experience U.S. Democracy" campaign, which urged people to send comments to the State Department.

Whether or not ads like these will eventually turn up in places such as Pakistan, Panama or Paris is hard to predict. My guess is that it’s just a matter of time.


James Welborn is a freelance writer who lives in Mill Valley, CA.

[STALINSOLDIERS]

i choose osama bin laden.....britney is a whore and who ever is like her or dresses like her should be punished..

[Xvall]

And you're calling US nazis?

[Supermodel]

Britney is, like, so five minutes ago, babe.

What sells America today is a three-trillion-dollar-missile-budget. "Why hello, America, welcome to the party!! Can we get you a drink??"

But since you mention it.....

I've been to see Britney twice in concert!!!
Let me qualify that.....
I have a six year old daughter and I've been to see Britney twice......

http://www.worldofbritney.com/i/Britney_Rolling_Stone_Shoot_1_HQ/t/rs2.jpg

[STALINSOLDIERS]

nazis i dont call no one a nazi unless there racist

[Domino]

Neither. Both are scum and both should be destroyed.

[Borincano]

tetelives,

LMAO!!!!!!

[Guest]

I would much rather look at Britney than Osama. What is with you Stalinsoldier are you homosexual. You sound like Taliban scum. Osama is a murderous coward and I am sick of seeing his ugly face. Next time I see it, I hope that it has a bullet in it. Better yet, capture him and put his decapitated head on display in the Smithsonian. If they had his head in a case, it would definitely be worth an increase in the admission price.

[Son of Scargill]

Why would having the rotting head of a religious facist make a price increase worthwhile?I would have thought the Smithsonian was an institute for stimulating the mind to higher things,not for lowering it to the base animalistic instincts that you,Osama and Stalinsoldiers seem to work on.

(Edited by Son of Scargill at 12:21 pm on June 13, 2002)

[Guest]

The purpose of displaying the head of Osama isn't to satiate animal instinct. You are right about the Smithsonian being a great institution. There are many historic displays that add to the museum's diversity. I believe there is a holocaust exhibit that has depictions of the most inhumane treatment of Jews. Of course, the curators would use formaldehyde (CH2O) to preserve the head and keep it from rotting.
To be serious, the capture and death of Osama would represent a huge military and psychological victory for the Americans. This is a man that caused great devastation and suffering in our nation. Such an extreme commemoration of the significance of his death would not be unwarranted. Time magazine almost named him man of the year. Not only would the exhibit symbolize the unstoppable resolve of the American people, but would prove that the man actually died. If the media tomorrow claimed our forces killed Osama would you belief it without evidence. Even the pictures of Che's dead body are debated among some people. Displaying his head would assure skeptics that the man was, in fact, dead. There would be no debate and the civilized world could sleep better at night knowing his head was kept securely in the public domain.
In reality, I do not think this is a remote possibility. After all, we are living in a civilized era. Personally, I would not choose to view it, but considering the damage that he has done, I feel that anyone including the victims families should have the option to do so.
What do you suggest giving his body to Al Quida, so that they can have a martyr's funeral?

[El Che]

Your about as "civilised" as a medival barbarian guest 64.

[Capitalist Fighter]

In reference to the topic, i don't see how anybody could choose Osama bin Laden, a Islamic fundamentalist, responsible for the deaths of thousands and worldwide terrorist over the "evil" Britney Spears! I mean think of all the innocent minds she poisons with her music!!!! ;)

[Guest]

Since that is coming from a communist, I will take that as a compliment.

[El Che]

You wouldnt know what a communist is if it hit u over the head.

[Guest]

Then how did you get to be a Commandante? What you don't support communist ideology?

[Guest]

Is that the Marxist spelling for civilized?

[El Che]

Guest, if you knew what a "communist" is and if you understood what "communist ideology" (in general) is, then you Sir. would be a communist. That is unless, you know and understand, but choose the darkside.

[Guest]

You should know me better than that by now.

[RGacky3]

I'd rather have sex with britenny, but I'd also rather kill her. :)

[Xvall]

Guest, I don't think your government cares much about killing, displaying, or torturing Osoma Bin laden. Other then the fact that they've given him money in the past, and they have probably NO idea where the hell he is, Osoma gives them a great platform to undergo all sorts of actions in the middle east. As long as he is 'believed' to be there, although it is likely he retreated to somewhere in Siberia or Antarctica, they have an excuse to bomb, invade, or conquer any surrounding nation, simply by 'speculating' that Osoma is the that selected country.

(By the way, you're a homophobe, and you likely have yet to read a page of communist literature.. Stalin doesn't count...)

[Capitalist Imperial]

We don't need an "excuse",he and his networked attacked us in cold blood,and we willcomntinue to saech and destroy all remnants of al queda and the taliban until we have eradicated them (BTW I think Osama may be dead already)

[Anonymous]

Osama is in america making wild sex with bush´s daughters!

[Xvall]

The CIA does need an 'excuse'.. I'm sorry CI, but you can't just go IVNADING a bunch of other nations because you have a 'hunch' that he might be there. And you wonder why everyone hates America? Maybe if you weren't trying to turn every other country into a puppet dicatorship, people would actually be SUPPORTING America, instead of wanting to blow it up!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Actually, not everyone hates America. Many do, but many people love and admire the USA, and thousands immigrate here daily, many risking their lives to do so.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Besides, we don't "just invade" anywhere. We attacked the taliban in afghanistan, but most of the people in afghanistan were happy about it, as we were liberating them form one of the worlds most oppressive, backward regimes. Places we set up bases of operation or are searching in have given us permission to do so.

[James]

Notice how the U$A and the UK had something to do with the placement of these "most backward regimes"...

[Needssomeconvincing]

Bettern at what? Pissing people off. I'll have to call this one a draw.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Needssomeconvincing on 7:03 pm on June 13, 2002
Bettern at what? Pissing people off. I'll have to call this one a draw.


I don't understand that comment

[Guest]

Draconian,

Do you even know why the U.S. supported the Mujahaddeem? It was to fight communist oppression. I admit it is ironic that one of the most oppressive regimes of the times surfaced in the aftermath of the communist invasion. Blaim that on the Afghanis backwards religion, not the United States. The government, especially the current administration, has a vested interest in capturing and killing Osama. After the 11th, Bush made it clear that Osama was a primary target, as the American people called for his head. Now, it would be politically unpopular and embarrasing if they failed to turn over the rock under which he is hiding.
If I were looking for Bin Laden, the first place I would look is in Saudi Arabia, then Pakistan. As to the claim, "they have an excuse to bomb, invade, or conquer any surrounding nation, simply by 'speculating' that Osoma is the that selected country", if that were true then we would be in both of those countries right now, instead of playing politics with their disgusting governments. Like Israel, we have shown far to much restaint. The only reasons that I can think of for the apparent weakness of our reaction remain; either Al Quida has smuggled a powerful bargaining chip into our country, or the press is not privy to all of the operations going on right now. I tend to think that the anthrax attacks were just demostrations by the enemy, showing the capabilty of the weapons. After all, they were sophisticated, and offer an excellent reason for a preemptive strike on Iraq.
What evidence do you have that Osama is presently employed by the U.S. government? It remains that you are the one who is speculating.
What did I say that is homophobic? The fact that a man would prefer Osama over Britney and generally seems to be a women hater leads me to believe he may be homosexual. I don't care what people do in the privacy of their homes. Parades do tend to annoy me though. Children should not be subjected to such perversions. If you have seen the type of things that occur at those parades you should also agree that some of the behavior is lude and would not be accepted from a hetrosexual group. I am wary of anyone with an agenda, especially a liberal one.



(By the way, you're a homophobe, and you likely have yet to read a page of communist literature.. Stalin doesn't count...)

[Supermodel]

Osama is alive and well and working as a roadie for Britney's concerts. She broke up with Justin Timberlake because of the smell of Osama's filthy beard.

Osama had a breakdown after he saw Shakira perform because she's a nice Muslim girl but she sings and dances even sexier than Britney.

Oh and by the way the Smithsonian museums, including the national zoo, are all free admission.

Osama was in fact created by US imperialism and total lack of consistency in foreign policy. You could also argue that Che and Fidel were very much influenced by this factor also.

[Moskitto]

According to RAWA, the most democratic government Afghanistan has had until recently, was the Communist government.

And the thing with Bin Laden is. If NASA can read peoples car number plates from space like they say, why haven't they found Bin Laden?

[El Che]

So guest 64., or should I say PAVILION outta Denver, tell me something are you CIA or FBI?

I must say, a dail up is a good choice no doubt, no unique numbers no effective trace no ultimate pin, TTT gotta love dail up.

Hey, here`s something for your archives kiss my ass

[Anonymous]

You guys should see my new ost about Cia talking with Osama!

[Xvall]

Well guest, I did read the Manifesto, and I'm not a homophobe. The way you said it made it sound like you were saying that he is bad because he is a 'homosexual', if you didn't mean that, then I apologize. Indeed he is a womanizer. "Backwards Religion?" Stop bashing down on Islam, The Bible, a book where the 'god' commony solves problems by 'smiting' everyone who opposes him, isn't that 'moral' of a book itself. Study a little on Islam, isn't not that 'backwards'. As far as the Anthrax goes, I thought that it was labeled as an attack by a domestic terrorist. A stupid one at that, since most of the targets were either the Media or the Democrats, which are exactly the ones who Aren't controlling the country.

(By the way, I know why the U.S supported him.. It was mainly out of spite for communism though. If another Capitalistic state had invaded Afghanistan they wouldn't have cared. Similar to Vietnam. I doubt there would have been any U.S intervention if they weren't trying to establish Communism..)

[Moskitto]

The bible tells people that exercise doesn't benefit men physically.

*looks at massive bicep

Which Is why someone I know and I decided that when reading any religious text, the only way to understand what it is saying is to read the whole thing and think about it in context rather than take everything word for word.

reminds me of an amusing conversation I had with my right-wing brother.

Me - "I think I'm going to collect pictures of evil people and put them on a webpage that looks like hell"
Him - "So, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Karl Marx..."
Me - "No not Karl Marx"
Him - "Was he a Christian"
Me - "No"
Him - "Then he went to hell"
Me - "How do you know?"
Him - "It says in the bible"
Me - "So?"
Him - "According to the Bible, only good Christians will be saved"
Me - "According to the Koran, only good Muslims will be saved"
Him * Pauses and looks, straining to think of an awnser
Him - "You know what, I surprised you still consider yourself a Christian"

[Vladimir]

That Rgacky guy said it.....

I'd rather have sex with britenny, but I'd also rather kill her

[Guest]

El Che,

What makes you think that I am either CIA or FBI? I will niether confirm nor deny my affiliations. I will offer two words of advice; don't commit computer crimes and cocaine makes a person paranoid. Also be aware that sedition does not fall in the category of protected speech.

[Guest]

Come on, how dumb do you think these agencies are? If I were an infiltrator, it would be wiser to make friends with the enemy, gain his trust, lure information out of him, and then make the arrest. Don't flatter yourself, you’re not important enough to warrant a serious investigation. Law enforcement and Intelligence agencies are not going to waste the man power by paying someone to post on this site all day long. I do it because I enjoy myself. Sometimes you must laugh at the ridiculous. Without stupid people, life on this planet would be dull.
Honestly, a web site like this could easily be handled by electronic surveillance. If I were running the intelligence gathering apparatus in the U.S., I would prioritize and compartmentalize the various threats that this nation faces. Che-lives.com would not make top shelf. Monitoring of the various web sites could be done by satellite and microwave relay. The satellites would snatch all possible communications, cell phones, radio, fiber optic, you name it. These would be differentiated by type and source and relayed to their respective sites. The locations and type of analysis at the ground locations would remain classified for the purposes of national security. Here the information would be transformed into a digital format and processed by hypercomputers. On the massive amount of information’s first run through the system, statistical analysis would assess the various threat levels and cipher irrelevant information. By doing this, the amount of information could be reduced. The next run would organize the data into its relevant compartments. Once the information has been fully processed, all of it would be sent to a central mainframe, where a similar system would perform similar operations on all of the data it is constantly receiving. This time when the information is organized and classified, it would be organized by which agency holds jurisdiction. These large amounts of information would be sent to the central mainframes of the various agencies where they would undergo another final weeding process, specific to the branch of law enforcement. The final step would include a printout of detailed reports for the human element of these agencies to evaluate and compartmentalize. The job of these people would include producing detailed threat reports relayed to the heads of their divisions, who make assessments and prioritize the allocation of their resources.
If I ran the show most information would come top down, not bottom up. You can't have a bunch of people out their fishing for threats. That is why citizens must remain alert. It is their job to report unordinary activities to local branches of law enforcement. So, in some instances information would come from the bottom up. Technology is not 100%, but it does narrow the scope. Information must be sifted through in order to make the decision of where operatives should be placed.

[Guest]

El Che,

If I were an agent and wanted to monitor your activities I would probably start at the next WTO summit in the United States. This makes better sense than wasting valuable time and assets, by having an agent argue with you about your flawed philosophical stance.

[El Che]

cut the bullshit man, just print out kiss my ass put it in my file.

[Xvall]

You're HILLARIOUS Che. As far as our 'flawed ideologies' go guest, you haven't even heard them. You're likely assuming that our 'youthful ideals' must be impossible to accomplish. And we're all SURE that your capitalistic preferences will benefit EVERYONE who has a lot of money. Seriously man.. Don't jump to conclusions..

Yes, those citizens SHOULD report any unordinary activities... Like..

GASP!!

Free Speech!?

[guerrillaradio]

Britney Spears is the lovechild of Osama Bin Laden and Margaret Thatcher.

And onto the subject of which one I prefer: I refuse to affiliate with either. One's responsible for the deaths of thousands of people, the other's responsible for the death of music. I would not shoot Bin Laden simply cos I'm having so much fun watching the US chase after him...

[Guest]

Osana biin Laden isnt great. Britney isnt either. Guest whoever you are, you have no idea what you are talking about, "flawed ideologies" howabout religion?

And i dont think capitalism is the greatest system either- if it was, George Bush (both) would be on death row

[pastradamus]

Quote: from IrishGuevara32 on 1:31 am on June 14, 2002
That Rgacky guy said it.....

I'd rather have sex with britenny, but I'd also rather kill her


Why dont u try and do both at the same time ;)
I dont like brittany that much,cuz im sick of seeing her!
The hottest singer at the mo for me is christina milian,what a fine thing.

[Tkinter1]

THIS TOPIC IS COMPLETLY LUDACRIS!

How can we compare an extremist murderer, to a pop star. and shit like this: "i choose osama bin laden.....britney is a whore and who ever is like her or dresses like her should be punished.. "

stop, you know you dont meen that.


Oh and yea nasa is always claiming that it can spy out license plate numbers on cars. Well gee if that where so we could just take a snap shot and find bin ladens la beron crusin down the streets of afghanistan. Thats EXACTLY what the US is thinking, and employing.

The following quotes (possibly jokes) i found to be completely ignorant, and offensivley dumb:

posted by guest: :"And i dont think capitalism is the greatest system either- if it was, George Bush (both) would be on death row "

posted by guerillaradio: "I would not shoot Bin Laden simply cos I'm having so much fun watching the US chase after him... "

Posted by anarchist: You guys should see my new ost about Cia talking with Osama!

posted by needsomeconvincing: Bettern at what? Pissing people off. I'll have to call this one a draw.

[Guest]

NASA isn't the agency that claims that satellite imagery can read license plates. This is a claim usually made by civil libertarians that are afraid that the Intelligence community will use the apparatus to spy on its own citizens. A reasonably fear since most imagery satellites are black budget, with little congressional oversight. The claim that they do make is that of having resolution capable of clearly seeing a dime from miles outside of the atmosphere.
Fact is, it is extremely expensive to reposition a satellite. The logistics of putting a satellite at precisely the exact location needed to read a plate or identify a face remain unrealistic. Why would the government position a satellite to look in your windows, when they could put a van across the street? Why not watch a person's patterns and wait until they leave their residence, go in the house and place micro-cameras and listening devices? Does it not seem less expensive and more logical? If the government did want to track license plates, they would probably equip each plate with a unique spectral band that could be cross-referenced with the known database. The device would then be able to home in on that specific identifier and triangulate position. That is how I would do it if I were tasked with coming up with a working system.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 7:12 am on June 15, 2002
The following quotes (possibly jokes) i found to be completely ignorant, and offensivley dumb:

posted by guerillaradio: "I would not shoot Bin Laden simply cos I'm having so much fun watching the US chase after him... "

Man, you wanna sort out your arguments?? I'm so "dumb" that I offend you?? Wow, amazing. And, the best part is, you don't even say why. And don't say it's obvious cos I'm dumb, remember??

[hamstergirl]

in this case id have to say Brittney

[SU37]

Britney spears...? You must mean Titney spears.Osama and Titney are both scum and should be destroyed.They should put Che on the soda can with a messsage like"Join the Revoultion".

[Guest]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 7:12 am on June 15, 2002
THIS TOPIC IS COMPLETLY LUDACRIS!


lol, shows how music influences young people. Nowadays they can't spell the word "ludacrous" correctly.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Guest on 7:45 am on June 17, 2002

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 7:12 am on June 15, 2002
THIS TOPIC IS COMPLETLY LUDACRIS!


lol, shows how music influences young people. Nowadays they can't spell the word "ludacrous" correctly.

Neither can you.

All together now: L-U-D-I-C-R-O-U-S

(Edited by guerrillaradio at 2:56 pm on June 19, 2002)

[Apache]

Out of all of the people here that posted that they liked UBL over Britney Spears, I have a question.
Do you really think that UBL likes commies any better that the decadent West?
Can you see Britney turning into a Stalinist despot?

I'm just not looking forward to UBL's version of "Oops, I did it again".

[Anonymous]

I love you apache! good to know you cappies havent anyone intelligent to quote! so yuo quote anarquists intelectuals! anarchism rulez over your theorys! simple words say it all!

[Apache]

Quote: from the anarchist on 10:31 am on June 22, 2002
I love you apache!

Uhh... and Apache loves you too!

XXXOOO

[hXcPetey]

britneyis fucking PLASTIK!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE IS A MANIKAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and now that osama got all that plastick surgery and is living in thecard board box down the street, HE AINT MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DESTROY PLASTICK PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Moskitto]

I think I'll have to truely understand the meaning of "better" to understand what this question means.

What does the concept of betterness mean?

[Anonymous]

Run apache run!!! they are going to kill plastik people! you are their nº 1 target!