Opinions on "tankie-ism"?

[Die Neue Zeit]

Given what I said on this board regarding "Marxism-Leninism (http://www.revleft.com/vb/marxism-leninism-anti-t73258/index.html)," I'm curious about the following observations so far regarding "tankies" (so-called "revisionists" in the "Marxist-Leninist" parlance):

1) In regards to "Dengists," only orthodox Maoists are the most vehement in attacking them (no Trots have attacked them here seriously so far, and Hoxhaists are sorta on the sidelines);
2) In regards to "Khrushchevites, "Brezhnevites," and perhaps "Andropovites" (none of the first or third on RevLeft so far :D ) orthodox Maoists and ESPECIALLY Hoxhaists are the most vehement in attacking them;
3) But in regards to "Bukharinites" and "Trotskyists for Mao," the orthodox Maoists and Hoxhaists have been rather mute in their criticism.

Any reason why this is so?



P.S. - I have a soft spot for both Hua Guofeng (no Huaists here :( ;) ) and Yuri Vladimirovich myself (though I myself am a bit pissed at the hypocrisy of the Stalin-worshipping "Comrade" Suslov).

[Unicorn]

"Tankies" (pro-CPSU people) are the only major force which has fought against Eurocommunist revisionism within the communist parties. Their struggle has also much improved the wages and social security of the workers at least in my country.

A few student radicals supported Mao/Hoxha but their activism has never amounted to anything.

[Dros]

Myself and Soviet Pants have always been very clear on the whole "Trotskyists for Mao" thing.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING!

Maoism is explicitly and obviously the product of Marxism-Leninism (what Trots call Stalinism). There is no way that you can simultaneously understand Trotsky and Mao and uphold both of there theories. Maoism is built on the works of Comrade Stalin and any rejection of the central tenets of "Stalinism" means that you do not correctly understand the theory of Maoism.

It is really that simple.

As for the Tankies, I have said before and I'll say again: RESTRICT.

They are not leftists. They are at best idiot children with a strange USSR fetish and at worst an insidious form of fascism shrouded in red. Fortunately, I can't see the Brezhnevites gaining any political traction with any section of any people anywhere in the world ever. And this makes me very happy.

I think Malte was wrong about the "Stalin kiddie" phenomenon. He should have spoken of the Brezhnev-Andropov-Chernenko Kiddies. Then he would have been correct.

[Die Neue Zeit]

^^^ That's why I said "Trotskyists for Mao" and not "Trotskyist-Maoists." :glare:

By and large, these folks are Trotskyists who accept key ideas of Mao that were independent of "Comrade" Stalin's "contributions" (the peasant people's war but not "new democracy," for example).