Neonazi stabbed

[abbielives!]

Neonazi stabbed in Aachen, Germany

author: antifascist
On the night of April 4th, in a town near Aachen, on Germany's western border with Belgium, a teenage neonazi was stabbed by 2 persons of turkisch descent while on his way home from an event by Germany's fascist party, the NPD. Neonazis are promising bloody revenge. On the night of April 4th, in a town near Aachen, on Germany's western border with Belgium, a teenage neonazi was stabbed by 2 persons of turkisch descent while on his way home from an event by Germany's fascist party, the NPD. Neonazis are promising bloody revenge.

"One less Nazi!"

from Indymedia GerMania:
de.indymedia.org (caution, this site is not really an Indymedia site! massive censorship)

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/04/374308.shtml

[Red October]

Is he dead?

[redSHARP]

anything about him dying? cause i hate to see any life taken but, i think this might be worth it.

[abbielives!]

Is he dead?


Hopefully.:)

[RaiseYourVoice]

First of all yes he is dead. Second its not that certain that he is a true neo-nazi, he wasnt member of a nazi party but i guess went to a meeting of theirs and went home with a nazi. Sounds like a kid being sucked into faschist ideas by his friends. Not really a reason to cheer in my opinion.

[Autonome-Antifa]

First of all yes he is dead. Second its not that certain that he is a true neo-nazi, he wasnt member of a nazi party but i guess went to a meeting of theirs and went home with a nazi. Sounds like a kid being sucked into faschist ideas by his friends. Not really a reason to cheer in my opinion.

I tottaly agree only there is one fact that is not been said.

Nazis are murdering more innocent refugees illigal immigrants and antifas than we are killing innocent nazis.

[jaffe]

So that makes it a right thing to do?

[Djehuti]

Hopefully.:)

Why? Here in Sweden a young nazi was killed some years ago, that was the worst thing that could happen because it was something that the weak and divided nazi movement could unite around and through that they became strong once again.

Kick them, beat them, but killing them is bloody stupid.

Besides, nazi-kids (well, no kid really) never deserve to die in my opinion.

[jaffe]

They are fooled... Most kids just want to belong to a group.

[Autonome-Antifa]

So that makes it a right thing to do?


Im not saying that.

But if he had a good kicking it would be ok to me.:D

[Kropotesta]

Im not saying that.

But if he had a good kicking it would be ok to me.:D
but that's not what happened

[F9]

i am not gonna cry but i didnt get enthousiastic about it.Because he was a kid and he might be there because he didnt knew.

Fuserg9:star:

[Holden Caulfield]

i have no empathy, belong to a group make friends go to chess club or become an alco party animal but not a nazi, i understand they can be sucked in but they have free will

[jaffe]

yeah, but in some way I can understand a nazi-group is more interesting to youngster than a chessclub.

[Autonome-Antifa]

yeah, but in some way I can understand a nazi-group is more interesting to youngster than a chessclub.


Well in germany antifa is more atractive than a chess club and a nazi group combine.

[jaffe]

Explain me..
why does entire villages in (esspecially eastern-Germany) consist of neo-naziyouth?

[Dr Mindbender]

Even if he is a nazi, it means we will probably lose a comrade in the inevitable retalitory attack.

Also, this sort of celebratory nastiness does nothing to help our image in the eyes of our detractors.

[redSHARP]

so i guess we can agree that killing, in this case was not kosher. so that brings up a new question? when is killing ever good?

[Dr Mindbender]

I suppose whenever it can be agreed without a shadow of a doubt that the particular killing would be politically advantageous.

Though admiteddly, such occasions are few and far between.

This sort of lord of the flies style tribalism isnt helpful though. It's just silly boys playing with knives.

[An archist]

Why? Here in Sweden a young nazi was killed some years ago, that was the worst thing that could happen because it was something that the weak and divided nazi movement could unite around and through that they became strong once again.

Kick them, beat them, but killing them is bloody stupid.

Besides, nazi-kids (well, no kid really) never deserve to die in my opinion.

I completely agree, these are not revolutionary times in Europe, killing nazis is fucking pointless and counter-productive.
Martyrs you know?

[1968]

Why? Here in Sweden a young nazi was killed some years ago, that was the worst thing that could happen because it was something that the weak and divided nazi movement could unite around and through that they became strong once again.

Kick them, beat them, but killing them is bloody stupid.

Besides, nazi-kids (well, no kid really) never deserve to die in my opinion.

well said.

[RaiseYourVoice]

Explain me..
why does entire villages in (esspecially eastern-Germany) consist of neo-naziyouth?
Thats a little over the top. But the Nazi problem in many smaller towns have different reasons. In eastern germany its largely unemployment, no perspectives etc. in combination with a huge, good organised nazi party that legaly spreads hate, sets up support for unemployed to recruit etc.

This all combined with state wide anti-communist, nationalist propaganda and renewed militarism.

Not to forget of course the weakness of the Antifa movement since the split in anti-germans and anti-imperialists and the absense of a strong communist party.


Even if he is a nazi, it means we will probably lose a comrade in the inevitable retalitory attack.

Nazis will always murder and attack us. We cannot EVER make our moves according to their retaliation. That said, this was probaly not a really political attack. It seems like the Nazi and wanna-be Nazi got in trouble with some turkish kids (how suprising) and got owned. As this attack wasnt a political one it irrelevant if this case was somehow good for the movement. It was never meant to be.

What is important for us to realize is that this attack is NOT the result of lack of integration, violent thugs or too many kinves around but result racist and nationalist hate propaganda.


From my organisations Branch in the state: (rough translation made by me)

Against ethnic hate and racism

In the night before saturday the 5th of April shortly before 11 a 19 year old from Eschweiler was stabbed an died later in Stolber near Aachen. NPD and so called "Autonomous Nationalists" made the young man look like a comrade and sympathiser. They declared "foreign Infiltration" and "criminal Immigrants" as the cause. Saturday both groups used the event to have an assembly with racist and fashist speeches.

As Socialist German Workers Youth we regret the death of this young man. He fell victim to the politics and cheap propaganda by the NPD and its followers. This anticonstitutional party and their affiliated henchmen the "Autonomous Nationalists" spur on ethnic hate and spread racism . In public they justify and palliate genocide and the wars of the Hitler-Fascists. Their deeply anti-humanist world view is based on the division of the youth, in particular the working youth. They make profit out of teenagers killing each other.

For the working youth future and progress lie in international solidarity and friendship among the peoples. Violence, hate and crime among the working youth have their roots in massunemployment, poverty, lack of perspectives, competitivesness and also nationalist baiting. The only solutions against that are united and solidary work and the united struggle for the rights of the youth.


We honor the remembrance of the dead by drawing the consequences: Never again Fascism!

-> ban the NPD
-> Disolve and annihilate "Autonomous Nationalists"
-> Solidarity instead of Nationalist baiting

SDAJ Rheinland-Westfalen
http://www.sdaj-online.de//news.php?s=read&id=250

[Black Cross]

so i guess we can agree that killing, in this case was not kosher.

Yes, i doubt any rabi gave his blessing for this murder.

This murder was unnecessary, and in no way helps our cause. It'll hurt much sooner and much greater than it will help.

[Jazzratt]

Not only is the killing wrong but I think what really reflects badly on the movement is those who are ghoulishly cheering it from the sidelines.

We are shit-kickers, not murderers. We scare them, bloody them and keep them off the streets but we do not have the popular support to kill them and events like this hurt us as much as their killing one of ours hurts them.

[Red October]

Not only is the killing wrong but I think what really reflects badly on the movement is those who are ghoulishly cheering it from the sidelines.

We are shit-kickers, not murderers. We scare them, bloody them and keep them off the streets but we do not have the popular support to kill them and events like this hurt us as much as their killing one of ours hurts them.

Agreed. Especially killing youth who probably weren't even hardcore nazis. This kid could've use a good scaring, but killing him screws us all. Now that he's dead, the nazis have another martyr to rally around, they may even retaliate against some leftists or just random immigrants. I'm glad this wasn't done or claimed by Antifa.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Murder is nothing I will salute, regardless of what movement the victim identifies with. Children especially should not be the source of physical action. At a young age many people feel compelled to align themselves: conservative, liberal, fascist - even Leftist.

[Fidel Follower]

[QUOTE]This kid could've use a good scaring[QUOTE]

So where do you draw the line?

When does a 'good beating' go too far? Obviously at Death, but surely there's no clear cut line?