Communist Contributions - State sponsored inventions

[Capitalist Imperial]

OK, pinkos, i submit this:

Communist nations have not really given the world much in terms of ground-breaking, revolutionary inventions, innovations, or ideas in the last 100 years. Am I wrong? please provide examples if I am..

[Valkyrie]

They have contributed communism in practice.

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

First man in space.

[Capitalist Imperial]

OK, 1st man in space. A great milestone for humanity, good job on their part. Granted the USSR beat the US into space. However, they basically got off to a better start, but we won the "race" by landing on the moon 1st (and alone), with the space shuttle (1st re-usable space vehicle), and by leading the new international space station. Anyway, it was US space technology and its earthly applications that were found to be more advanced and reliable, and therefore employed across the globe.

[Xvall]

I personally think that NASA is a waste of money, and that sending people into space, and onto the moon, is also a waste of money! I mean, come on! That money could have been used for something useful! It could have feed a hungry country, or helped the poor! Instead, the government wasted billions of dollars to fly a tin can miles away and collect rocks!

Damnit!

[PunkRawker677]

well - there is this little tiny insignificant disease that we like to call, here in america, meningitis. Most people who are infected with this disease, which attacks the brain, die or end up with many amputated limbs and severe brain damage.. dont believe me? well ask the kid in my school with half of one one, and no other limbs, how fun it is!

Cuba invented the vaccine for menigitis.. America has yet to fully authorize american purchase of it.

[Michael De Panama]

Yeah, the commies were the first men in space.

How about the color TV?

How about Tetris? The commies brought you Tetris!

What about communist individuals? Look at Albert Einstein! Look at Picasso! Plenty of commies out there.

[Xvall]

That's right Panama..

[peaccenicked]

25 famous socialists
http://www.geocities.com/redencyclopedia/famous.htm

[RedCeltic]

1) Device for spectral multiplexing/demultiplexing of the optical channels (J. Spigulis, A. Kireyev, J. Lazdins) - A. C. # 1569768, 1988, USSR.

2) Method of optical fiber fault recognition (J. Spigulis, A. Rieba, M. Vitols) - A. C. # 1635764,1988, USSR.

3) Collimator (J. Spigulis) - A. C. # 1282057, 1987, USSR.

4) Light-directing device (J. Spigulis) - A. C. # 1227909, 1986, USSR.

5) Guide gate apparatus of radial-axial turbine with double governing U.S.S.R. Certificate 132791 1966/7/7

6) Radial-axial turbine with double governing U.S.S.R. Certificate 259718 1967/12/28

7) Runner of radial-axial turbine with double governing U.S.S.R. Certificate 259719 1967/12/28

8) Runner of radial-axial turbine U.S.S.R. Certificate 274013 1968/4/22

9) Governor of hydraulic turbine U.S.S.R. Certificate 271402 1968/7/3

10) Centrifugal pump with controlled discharge U.S.S.R. Certificate 1600139 1970/12/25

11) Ftorafur
Anticancer preparation Invention Nr. B 2218 USSR (1967)

12) Chromatograph with programming of carrier gas pressure by A.Hayrapetyan.No.705331 invention certificate, "Inventions, discoveries, production prototypes, and trade - marks", No.47, 1979.

13) Chromatograph with programming of pressure of carrier gas. No.730092 invention certificate, Inventions, discoveries, production prototypes and trade - marks", No.15, 1980.

14) Method of gas chromatographic analysis of complex mixtures. No.746280 invention certificate, "Inventions, discoveries, production prototypes and trade - marks", No.25, 1980.

15) Recorder for chromatograph. No. 814047 invention certificate, "Inventions, discoveries, production prototypes and trade - marks", No.10, 1981.

16) Chromatograph with programming of carrier gas pressure. No.814049 invention certificate, Inventions, discoveries, industrial prototypes and trade - marks", No.2, 1981.

17) Chromatograph with linear programming of pressure of carrier gas. No.849861 invention certificate. "Inventions, discoveries, industrial prototypes and trade - marks",No.27,1981 (not to be make public).

18) Chromatograph with programming of carrier gas pressure.No.888693 invention certificate "Inventions, discoveries, industrial prototypes and trade - marks",No.45,1981 (not to be make public).

19) Concentration meter for liquid medium.No.1081470 invention certificate, "Inventions, discoveries, industrial prototypes and trade-marks", No.11,1984.

20) Gas chromatograph by A.Hayrapetyan.No.1088486 invention certificate, "Inventions, discoveries, industrial prototypes and trade-marks", No.11,1984 (not to be make public). Patent - analogs: No.253162 A3 patent of Germany. Government department on inventions and patents of Germany; No.268761 invention certificate of Czechoslovakia. Federal department of Czechoslovakia; No.45664 invention certificate of Bulgaria. Federal department of Bulgaria.

21) Chromatograph with programming of carrier gas pressure. No.1104416 invention certificate, "Inventions, discoveries, industrial prototypes and trade - marks", No.27, 1984. Patent - analogs: No 242949 A3 patent of Germany. Government department on inventions and patents of Germany; No.247149 invention certificate of Czechoslovakia. Federal department of Czechoslovakia; Resolution to issue the invention certificate of Bulgaria of December 25, 1987 No.3440865 Federal department of Bulgaria.

22) Gas chromatograph of engineer A.Hayrapetyan.No.1233647 invention certificate, "Inventions, discoveries, industrial prototypes and trade-marks", No.19,1986. Patent - analogs: No 267891 A3 patent of Germany. Government department on inventions and patents of Germany; No.268780 invention certificate of Czechoslovakia. Federal department of Czechoslovakia; Resolution to issue the invention certificate of Bulgaria of March 20, 1989 No.3605331 Federal department of Bulgaria.
Chromatograph of A.Hayrapetyan PATENT (USSR) Russia. "Inventions, discoveries, industrial prototypes and trade - marks", No.23, 1991.


23) "The unknown before phenomenon of the production of antihelium-3, the antinucleus with antiproton number greater than one, caused by strong interaction between antinucleons has been experimentally established."

24) The present discovery is registered in the State Register of the USSR on September 28, 1971, No 104 with the priority from January 28, 1970.


25) "The unknown before regularity in the energy dependence of the strong interaction cross sections has been experimentally established. This regularity lies in the fact that the total cross sections of the proton, pi, K- - meson interactions with the nucleons ceased to decrease in the energy region of 25-64 GeV, while the total cross sections of the K+ - meson interactions with nucleons start to increase with the growth of energy".

26) The present discovery is registered in the State Register of Discoveries of the USSR on November 13, 1973, No 137 with the priority from May 24, 1971.

27) "Scale invariance regularity of the hadron production cross sections"
"It is established the unknown before phenomenon of the scale invariance regularity of the hadron production cross sections, which lies in the fact that in the particle interactions at high energies the relative cross sections of the strong interacting particles production are the universal functions of the relative momentum, the ratio of the produced particle momentum to its maximum value".
The discovery is registered in the State Register of Discoveries of the USSR on March 20, 1980, No 228 with the priority from March 5, 1969 (application No OT-9548).

28) "It is experimentally established the unknown before regularity of the variation of the radius of the protons strong interaction at high energies. This regularity lies in the fact that the radius of the proton-proton strong interaction at the energy above 10 GeV increases with the growth of energy".

29) registered in the State Register of Discoveries of the USSR on April 9, 1981, No 244, application on discovery No OT-8792 from July 2, 1974. The dates of the priority of the discovery are July 6, 1961 (the date of the theoretical grounding) and July 22, 1969 (the date of the experimental verification).

30) "It is experimentally established the unknown before phenomenon of the potential scattering of the high energy (above 1 GeV) protons on the protons and deuterons, occured in the interference of the Colomb and nuclear scattering of the protons on the protons and deuterons".

31) Based on the the proxy delegated by the Government of the USSR, the USSR State Committee on the Inventions and Discoveries issued the present diploma on discovery "Phenomenon of the potential scattering of the protons at high energies", is registered in the State Register of Discoveries of the USSR on July 11, 1981, No 246, application on discovery No OT-8751 from May 6,1974 with the priority from July 13, 1963.

32) "It is experimentally established the unknown before phenomenon of the production of the elementary particle h-meson, which has the spin equals 4".

33) The discovery is registered in the State Register of Discoveries of the USSR on July 14, 1983, No 275, application No OT-10101 from August 1, 1979 with the priority from June 13 1975.

34) "It is established the unknown before phenomenon of the focusing of the charged particles in uniform along beam axis alternating electric field, that lies in the fact that in the field with uniform along beam axis transverse quadrupole symmetry there was appeared the transverse focusing of the beam, caused that near the symmetry axis of the field the spatial regions of the local stability and non-stability were appeared by turns for every particles".

35) The discovery is registered in the State Register of Discoveries of the USSR on June 20, 1988, No 350, application on discovery No OT-11014 from October 30 1984. The dates of the priority of the discovery are October 25, 1968 (the date of the theoretical grounding) and March 25, 1969 (the date of the experimental detection of the phenomenon).

36) "The unknown before phenomenon of the change of the polarization sign of the protons at their elastic scattering on the protons at high energies has been experimentally established. This phenomenon implies that at the transferred momenta about t = 0.5(GeV/c)2 with energy increase (in the energy region about 30 GeV) the polarization reverse their direction and becomes negative one that caused the diffractive spin interaction of the protons".

37) State Patent Department of the USSR issued the present certificate for the Institute for High Energy Physics.
The priority of the discovery is July 9, 1975.

38) Method of optical fiber fault detection (J. Spigulis, D. Pfafrods) - A. C. # 1589830, 1986, USSR.

39) Device for pulsed feeding of the high-frequency electrodeless lamps (J. Spigulis) - A. C. # 902228, 1982, USSR.

40) THE PATENT ¹ 160794, on theinvention under the application
¹ 829022 from 4 April 1963. Ear funnelon a head hoop
for realization of operations on a middleear.The Bulletin
of the Inventionsand and Opening USSR.
¹ 5;26.11.1964.

41) THE PATENT ¹ 167010, on the inventionunder the application
¹ 845765 from 3 July 1963. The device on an ear funnel
for fixing chorda tympani. The Bulletinof of the Inventions
and Opening USSR. ¹ 24; 12.12.1964.

42) THE PATENT ¹ 175173, on the invention under the application
¹ 923218 from 3 October 1964. Method of reception
impression of an meatus acusticus exter-nus and prints of
a membrana tympani. The Bulletin of the Inventions
and Opening USSR. ¹ 19; 21.09.1965.

43) THE PATENT ¹ 175178, on the invention under the application
¹ 915238 from 4 August 1964. Teflon piston with
the crosswise head. The Bulletin of the Inventions and
Opening USSR. ¹ 19; 21.09.1965.

44) THE PATENT ¹ 182293, on the invention under the application
¹ 1005991 from 5 May 1965. The tool for fixing
the crus longum of incus.The Bulletin of the Inventions and
Opening USSR. ¹ 11; 25.05.1966.

45) THE PATENT ¹ 185441, on the invention under the application
¹ 1020203 from 30 July 1965. The micropuncher
for a footplate. The Bulletin of the Inventions and
Opening USSR. ¹ 17; 13.08.1966.

46) THE PATENT ¹192345, on the invention under the application
¹ 872718 from 27 December 1963. Micro-cutters
for operations on a middle ear. The Bulletin of the
Inventions and Opening USSR. ¹ 5; 06.02.1967.

47) THE PATENT ¹ 205225, on the invention under the application
¹ 1109865from 29 October 1966. Artificial limb of
stapedis (Teflon piston on a spring).The Bulletin of the
Inventions and Opening USSR. ¹ 23; 13.09.1967.

48) THE PATENT ¹ 215622, on the invention under the application
¹ 1127691 from 19 January 1967ã. Themanual for
demonstrations of operation on stapedis.The Bulletin of
the Inventions and Opening USSR. ¹ 13;03.04.1968.

49) THE PATENT ¹ 306840, on the invention under the application
¹ 1303558 from 27 January 1969. Minimally invasive
method of surgical drainageof the antrum - "antrodrainage".
The Bulletin of the Inventions and Opening USSR.
¹ 20; 21.06.1971.

50) THE PATENT ¹ 419219, on the invention under the application
¹ 1802161 from 27 June 1972. X-ray Method of
definition of a surgical corner of the approach to antrum.
The Bulletin of the Inventions and Opening USSR.
¹ 10;15.03.1974.

51) THE PATENT ¹ 606578, on the invention under the application
¹ 1987752 from 28 January 1974. Drill for
penetration into an antrum. under a surgical corner.
The Bulletin of the Inventions and Opening USSR.
¹ 18; 15.05.1978.

52) THE PATENT¹ 484872, on the invention under the application
¹ 1998897 from 21 February 1974. Method of
removal cholesteotoma from a middle ear. The Bulletin of the
Inventions and Opening USSR. ¹ 35; 25.09.1975.

53) THE PATENT ¹ 608525, on the invention under the application
¹ 2194201 from 11 December 1975. Drill for
safe drilling of the channel in an antrum. The Bulletin of the
Inventions and Opening USSR. ¹ 20; 30.05.1978.

54) THE PATENT ¹ 539378, on the invention under the application
¹ 2177841 from 16 October 1975. The device
for shielding a round window of a labyrinth through tuba
auditiva. The Bulletin of the Inventions and OpeningUSSR.
¹ 47; 25.12.1976.

55) THE PATENT ¹ 584860, on the invention under the application
¹ 2373203 from 7 July 1976. The device for
restoration of hearing at absence of a membrana tympani.
The Bulletin of the Inventions and Opening USSR.
¹ 47;25.12.1976.

56) THE PATENT ¹ 1602472, on the invention under the application
¹ 4610247 from 28 November 1988. The device for
Internasal manometry. The co-author P.P. Polyvanov.
The Bulletin of the Inventions and Opening Russia
¹40; 30.10.1990.

57) THE PATENT ¹ 1572505, on the invention under the application
¹ 4342328 from 2 December 1987.The co-author
P.P.Polyvanov. Method of research of a nasal aerodynamics.
The Bulletin of the Inventions and Opening Russian.
¹23; 23.06.1990.

58) THE PATENT ¹ 1792649, on the invention under the aplication
¹ 0910378from 6 July 1964. Repair of the hinged
mechanism of the stapes. The Bulletin of the Inventions and
Opening Russian.¹ 5; 07.02.1993.

59) THE PATENT ¹ 2088191, on the invention under the application ¹ 95116292 from 20 September1995. Method of
"Slit-like" antro-atticotomy. The Bulletin of the Inventionsand
Opening Russian. ¹ 24; 27.08.1997.

60)THE PATENT ¹ 2089116, on the invention under the application ¹ 95120763 from 13 December 1995. Method
plastic corrections of an earbowl. The Bulletin of the
Inventions and Opening Russian. ¹ 25; 10.09.1997.

61) THE PATENT ¹2089115, on the invention under the application
¹ 95108972 from 5 June1995. Method of treatment
of the vasomotorykal oedemaof a nasal mucosa. The Bulletin
of the Inventions and Opening Russian. ¹25; 10.09.1997.

62) THE PATENT¹ 2090156, on the invention under the application
¹ 95105086from 5 April 1995. Method of transform
of the ''southern'' type nasal aerody-namics into the ''northern''
counterpart. The Bulletin of the Inventionsand and Opening
Russian. ¹ 26; 20.09.1997.

63) THE PATENT ¹2096027, on the invention under the application
¹ 95108973 from 5 July 1995.Method of
improvement of hearing under the control of the acoustical
centres of a brain. The Bulletin of the Inventions and
Opening Russian ¹ 32; 20.11.1997.

64) THE PATENT ¹2109499, on the invention under the application
¹ 95117284 from 10 October 1995.Method of treatment
chronic purulent otitis by abuffer solution. The Bulletin of the
Inventions and Opening Russian ¹ 12;17.04. 1998.

65) THE PATENT ¹2109480, on the invention under the application
¹ 95114310 from 9 August1995 . Method of a differential
diagnosisof otitis exematoza. The Bulletin of the Inventions
and Opening Russian ¹ 12; 27.04.1998.

66) THE PATENT ¹ 2103969, on the invention under the application
¹ 95114307 from 9 August 1995.Method of
treatment of otitis exematoza. The Bulletin of the
Inventions and Opening Russian. ¹ 4; 10.02.1998.

67) THE PATENT ¹ 2113202, on the invention under the application
¹ 95117285 from11 October 1995. Method of
removal of good-qualitytumours of a skin of an ear bowl and
area around of it without traces. The Bulletin of the Inventions
and Opening Russian. ¹ 17; 20.06. 1998.

68) THE PATENT ¹ 2114591, on the invention under the application
¹ 95112165 from 14 July 1995. Method of individual
selection of dropsfor a nose. The Bulletin of the Inventions
and Opening Russian. ¹ 19; 10.07.1998.

69) THE PATENT ¹ 2114592, on the invention under the application
¹ 95120762 from 13 December 1995. Method of
treatment of the sharp rhynopharygitis by a buffer
solution. The Bulletin of the Inventions and
Opening Russian ¹ 19; 10.07.1998.

70) THE PATENT ¹ 2118894, on the invention under the application
¹ 96110077 from 27 May 1996. Method of protection of the
inferior nasalpassages from an inspiration. The Bulletin of the
Inventions and Opening Russian. ¹26; 20.09. 1998.

71) THE PATENT ¹ 2118895, on the invention under the application
¹ 96110084 from 27 May 1996. The device of
the "hinged" stapedoplasty. The Bulletin of the Inventions and
Opening Russian ¹ 26; 20.09.1998.

72) THE PATENT ¹ 2134124, on the invention under the application
¹ 96121506 from 23 October 1996. Method of
sterilizations of hands of the surgeon at ur-gently operations
(for two minutes at ten hours). The Bulletin of the Inventions
and Opening Russian ¹ 22; 10.08.1999.

73) THE PATENT ¹ 2133601, on the invention under the application
¹ 97119038 from 20 November 1997. Method of
restoration of function a cochlea. The Bulletin of the
Inventions and Opening Russian ¹ 21; 27.07. 1999.

74) THE PATENT ¹ 2134092, on the invention under the application
¹ 97119045 from 20 November 1997. Method of
stimulation of function a cochlea. The Bulletin of the Inventions
and Opening Russian ¹ 22; 10.08.1999.

75)THE PATENT ¹ 2136254, on the invention under the application
¹ 97119040 from 20 November 1997. Method of
rehabilitations of function of a cochlea. Bulletin of the
Inventions and Opening Russian ¹ 25; 10.09.1999.

76) THE PATENT ¹ 2141798, on the invention under the application
¹ 98101637 from 28 January 1998. Method of
preservation "physiological bridge" at a septoplasty. Bulletin of
the Inventions and Opening Russian ¹33 from 27.11.99.

77)THE PATENT ¹ 2157116, on the invention under the application
¹ 99117986 from 18.08. 1999. Method of treatment of
the chronic sinusitis at the high location of the inferior
turbinate. Bulletin of the Inventions and Opening
Russian ¹ 28 from 10.10. 2000.

78)THE PATENT ¹ 2157117, on the invention under the application ¹99117989 from 18.08. 1999. Method of
treatment of the rhinosinusitises at a high location of
the inferior turbinate. Bulletin of the Inventions and
Opening Russian ¹ 28 from 10.10. 2000.

79) THE PATENT ¹ 2175217, on the invention under the application
¹2000120065 from 31.07. 2000. Method of treatment of
the subatrophic rhinopharyngitis. Bulletin of the Inventions
and Opening Russian ¹ 30 from 27.10. 2001.

80) THE PATENT ¹ 0000000, on the invention under the application
¹2000120066 from 31.07. 2000. Method of prophylaxis of
acute rhinopharyngitis at lesion of nasal aerodynamics.
Positive solution about granting a patent
on invention from JUNE 19.2001.

81)THE PATENT ¹ 0000000, on the invention under the application
¹2000120067 from 31.07. 2000. Method of surgical
treatment of a vasculomotor(vasomotor) rhinitis.
Positive solution about granting a patent
on invention from JUNE 19.2001.








(Edited by RedCeltic at 10:23 am on June 11, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Paris on 9:29 pm on June 10, 2002
They have contributed communism in practice.


I said revolutionary ideas that benefitted the world, LOL, LOL

[Capitalist Imperial]

Those are probalbly very good inventions in their respective applications, but they are mostly components of existing technologies, and again, nothing revolutionary that has changed the world fundamentally.

Assembly line, radio, television, airplane, personal computer, the internet, the cotton gin, the locomotiive, crop rotation rock n' roll, nuclear power, the map of the human genome(pending), Segway HT, nanotech .

These are just a few of the many revolutionary inventions and innovations that the US has brought or is bringing to the world. Stay tuned, there is more to come. Capitalism breeds invention and innovation, a key component to human evolution. Communism stifles invention and innovation. This is why you never hear of even 1 "great soviet invention".

And albert einstein was not a true communist. He loved the US and its democratic ideology.

[Xvall]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 1:01 am on June 12, 2002
Assembly line, radio, television, airplane, personal computer, the internet, the cotton gin, the locomotiive, crop rotation rock n' roll, nuclear power, the map of the human genome(pending), Segway HT, nanotech .


Assembly Line - This served no porpouse other to expand capitalism and create more products for consumers to buy. If Ford hadn't invented it, someone else eventually would have.

Radio - This wasn't just invented by America. Guglielmo Marconi, an italian inventor contributed by proving the feasibility of radio communication. Nikolai Tesla, as a matter of fact, the one credited with the Radio patent, by the court itself.

Television - The mechanical television was invented by an scotishman named John Logie Baird. Not an American.

Airplane - True, the standard, origional airplane was invented by Americans. But the British and the Germans invented the Jet engine.

Personal Computer - Many inventors from many diffirent countries contributed to this invention.

Rock n' Roll - Was this really invented? It's a style of music. You don't really 'invent' styles. Ooh! I invented the Hokey Pokey!

Nuclear Power - Ever heard of Einstien. He laid out the theoretical foundations for this..

"Albert Einstien was not a true communist. He loved the US and it's democratic ideology" - You need to study on Einstien. If he wasn't a true communist, why would he be a recognized member and leader of certain communist parties? He did not like the United States. He moved to it to live in it because he needed to escape the Third Reich. Eventually, he moved back to Germany.


(Edited by Drake Dracoli at 3:48 am on June 12, 2002)

[Guest]

Einstein was a Jew. He escaped the third reich when Hitler was demanding the Jews to leave, shortly after he seized power.

Eisntein went to save his ass, not to move to the "land of liberty", dolt.

[Xvall]

Calm down guest, Don't call me a dolt. I know damn well where Einstien went, and why. (I'll edit my post... Happy?)

[RedCeltic]

An invention is an invention regardless if it is a componant of something else. One would argue a Radio is a componant of the human ear and a TV a componant of the human eye and ear.. lol...

anyway, just one example (because I'm lazy now) of one USSR invention I mentioned that was not a componant of anything... except maybe cancer..

11) Ftorafur
Anticancer preparation Invention Nr. B 2218 USSR (1967)

[RedCeltic]

Quote: from Guest on 9:36 pm on June 11, 2002

Einstein was a Jew. He escaped the third reich when Hitler was demanding the Jews to leave, shortly after he seized power.

Eisntein went to save his ass, not to move to the "land of liberty", dolt.



Yes he left Germany to save his own ass. Would you have instead put yourself head first into an oven? He was a convicted Marxist and there are no If/ands/ or buts about it....

[Guest]

I was calling the capitalist a dolt for thinking that einstein abandoned Germany simply to live in glorious america. When in reality he abandoned Germany just to save his ass.

[Xvall]

Oh, alright.. But it seemed like you adressed it to me.. (And I'm no Capitalist)

[Fires of History]

Capitali$t Imperial,

You are falling into the thought trap that new toys actually equal progress. But that's Amerikkkan thinking in a nutshell for you. The more shit you have, the better, the happier you are right?

None of this "innovation" has eased the suffering of the poor and hungry, lessened the work week, helped the environment, etc, etc, etc. And who can have all these new toys? Everyone? Not by a long shot.

The assembly line simply turned labor into even more obvious cogs in the wheel. Television is a propaghanda tool. And don't even get me started on nuclear power (if you think nuclear power is a good thing, you have a lot of reading to do).

Edit: In a nutshell, are all these new toys helping people live more fulfilling and meaningful lives?

(Edited by Fires of History at 5:11 pm on June 12, 2002)

[James]

CI,

You still havn't replied to MY post...

[Xvall]

He hasn't replied to anyones post.. Because he lost..

[Guest]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 12:52 am on June 11, 2002
Yeah, the commies were the first men in space.

How about the color TV?

How about Tetris? The commies brought you Tetris!

What about communist individuals? Look at Albert Einstein! Look at Picasso! Plenty of commies out there.

And Salvador Dalí!

[Guest]

The first orchestra without a conductor was started in Soviet, inspired by communism.

And by the way, Rock and Roll was referred to as commie music that 'corrupted the kids'.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 1:01 am on June 12, 2002
And albert einstein was not a true communist. He loved the US and its democratic ideology.

Democratic ideology? Yes. Capitalist ideology? No. Again, communism is not Stalinism. There are a whole mass of people like Einstein including myself who understand that democracy and communism must go hand in hand.

Ugh. I'm kind of drained out from debating, especially with the mention of Stalinism.

[Xvall]

Don't worry Panama.. The Stalinists are mainly dead.. Hopefully they will rethink their political standing..

[Guest]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 2:36 am on June 12, 2002[brAssembly Line - This served no porpouse other to expand capitalism and create more products for consumers to buy. If Ford hadn't invented it, someone else eventually would have.

Radio - This wasn't just invented by America. Guglielmo Marconi, an italian inventor contributed by proving the feasibility of radio communication. Nikolai Tesla, as a matter of fact, the one credited with the Radio patent, by the court itself.

Television - The mechanical television was invented by an scotishman named John Logie Baird. Not an American.

Airplane - True, the standard, origional airplane was invented by Americans. But the British and the Germans invented the Jet engine.

Personal Computer - Many inventors from many diffirent countries contributed to this invention.

Rock n' Roll - Was this really invented? It's a style of music. You don't really 'invent' styles. Ooh! I invented the Hokey Pokey!

Nuclear Power - Ever heard of Einstien. He laid out the theoretical foundations for this..

"Albert Einstien was not a true communist. He loved the US and it's democratic ideology" - You need to study on Einstien. If he wasn't a true communist, why would he be a recognized member and leader of certain communist parties? He did not like the United States. He moved to it to live in it because he needed to escape the Third Reich. Eventually, he moved back to Germany.


(Edited by Drake Dracoli at 3:48 am on June 12, 2002)


assembly line: acheived unprecedented economies of scale, allowing comon workers and middle class to afford large, mechanical type items like cars, also lead to a revolution in the economy of production that benifts the entire world regardless of politics

Radio: history states and evidence shows tat the 1st radio was invented by Great American inventor thomas edison (he also brought the world the light bulb)

Television: Was invented in the United States by American Philo Farnsworth

check yourself: www.farnovision.com/chronicles/ tfc-who_invented_what.html


Airplane: I understand the germans invented the jet engine, but that was a naturally evolved componenet of the airplane, and like you said about ford and the assembly line, "if Germany hadn't invented it someone else would have".

Personal Computer: Most expert credit american company IBM for inventing the computer, as well as making it available to the world.

Rock and Roll: More than just a music style, a totally new cultural movement that did nothing short of change youth culture, and by extension the world, forever

Nuclear Power: I undestand einstein was the cheif developer of nuclear technology, but he developed it and brought it to life in the United states, in US labs and with US resources, and he had help from distinguished US scientists like oppenheimer

Oh, I forgot to mention alexander grahm bell and the telephone, oh, and also, we brought electricty to the world... just 2 more little things

[Guest]

OH, THAT WAS ME, CAPITALIST IMPERIAL

[Xvall]

That's mainly true CI, but America can not solely take credit for inventing those. There was help from all sorts of other nations, and many people contributed to it. Just as no single country can claim that they were the sole winners of WWII, no one country can claim that these are soley their inventions. Most of these had an equal amount of assistance from other countries in shaping the world today.

[Guest]

One of the main reasons that the U.S. won the Cold War by outspending the U.S.S.R. results from the fact that we were constantly feeding them faulty technology, via espionage. Fact is, without the stolen secrets that they depended on in order to keep up with U.S. technology they would have lasted longer as a communist regime. They could not compete in R&D or design turn around, so they relied upon their intelligence assets to keep them up to speed. They failed to realize that part of our stategy was to make them waste time, money, and valuable assets by sinking it into flawed technology.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from James on 5:47 pm on June 12, 2002
CI,

You still havn't replied to MY post...

Where is you're post here? i cant't find it

[Tkinter1]

I think we can all agree that the mind provides the invention, not the economic system. Capatilism didn't invent the first man on the moon, Communism didn't invent tetris, meningitis vaccine. The human race did.

[Guest]

Tkinker,

You are right. Invention is a testament to the human spirit. It is one of the behaviors that seperates us from the rest of the animals. However, you must admit that certain political and economic systems stifle free thinking, thereby reducing man's inventive character. Socialist and communist systems also seek to remove the incentive for a man to devote his life to new creations.